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Old 02-22-2008, 04:37 PM   #151
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Please don't take "run your mouth" as in insult, it's what every informed real fan should do, that's half the fun.

What it comes down to is the players union has way too much power.

There should have been a salary cap coming out of 97. (look at how well it's done for the other sports.)
There should be rigiorous state of the art drug testing for EVERYTHING, HGH included. (I am insulted that they claim it's too expensive, please)
Clemens, Bonds and Mcguire should have all record stripped and be banned from the hall. (They CHEATED, period. Otherwise call Pete and tell him cheating is now ok in baseball and we have a place for you in the hall.)
And the Yankees suck (sorry, I had to)
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I don't take it as an insult. I run my mouth with the best of them. And I do it because I am a true fan, and can back up everything I say with actual facts that I know about the team. I do agree with you, there needs to be a salary cap. Unfortunately, the MLBPA will never stand for it, and we won't see it anytime soon. And we can thank players like A-Rod for that.

And as a true Yankee fan, and them having not won a World Series in 7 years, I agree....they suck. Until they win again, every Yankee fan will think the same thing, but come spring-time, we will be just as loud and vocal as ever, and root our team as far as they can go. That's the spirit of the game
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I don't take it as an insult. I run my mouth with the best of them. And I do it because I am a true fan, and can back up everything I say with actual facts that I know about the team. I do agree with you, there needs to be a salary cap. Unfortunately, the MLBPA will never stand for it, and we won't see it anytime soon. And we can thank players like A-Rod for that.

And as a true Yankee fan, and them having not won a World Series in 7 years, I agree....they suck. Until they win again, every Yankee fan will think the same thing, but come spring-time, we will be just as loud and vocal as ever, and root our team as far as they can go. That's the spirit of the game
As one true Yankee fan to another,,,,,,,,You said it all!
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As one true Yankee fan to another,,,,,,,,You said it all!
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And as a true Yankee fan, and them having not won a World Series in 7 years, I agree....they suck. Until they win again, every Yankee fan will think the same thing, but come spring-time, we will be just as loud and vocal as ever, and root our team as far as they can go. That's the spirit of the game
this is just kind of funny to me...i have been a red sox fan since i knew what baseball was ( even though my dad tried to make me a yankees fan )...and i have loved them we had bad years and good years...i dont know if i said they "sucked" because they didnt win the world series in 86 years though...haha...

on the whole "wearing only team colors" thing...i agree and disagree...i dont wear random colors for hats and stufff...but i do consider my self a fashonable guy so i dont always want to wear the same ol' thing...so i do switch it up a bit.

and back there someone said i cant hate torre anymore...and i dont...never really did...i have always had respect for him....its not really most of the players on the team i dont like...it is just the fact that they are playing or coaching for my rival...
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I was surprised the Red Sox didn't. After spending the ridiculous amount of 26 million dollars just for the right to negotiate with Dice K, I figured they would spend any amount to actually sign a player like Santana.
Roger Clemons only played in 18 games last year but still made 18 million dollars. Even though the Red Sox spent a lot on Dice K there payroll was still 52 million less then the Yanks last year. I just wonder what kind of season Boston or the Yanks would have if they had payroll of 90 million.
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i understand we do have that advantage of paying for better players...i would never deny that...but....a lot more goes into making a team work than just having the highest priced players....you look at the red sox last year...and some of the players that came up big for us...(that arent getting payed that much)...youk...pedroia...papelbon...ellsbury...and even wakefield was a big part of the red sox last year....
then you look at teams like the yankees where they have 90 percent big names and the highest payroll and for a big part of the year they just werent a team...there were exactly what they paid for...over priced individuals...
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to have a quality team you need to have everything wroking in order from the owners to the managers to the players to the fans...it just seemed to me that everyone in the sox orginaztion last year were on the same page....the yankees just seemed to not be....
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Roger Clemons only played in 18 games last year but still made 18 million dollars. Even though the Red Sox spent a lot on Dice K there payroll was still 52 million less then the Yanks last year. I just wonder what kind of season Boston or the Yanks would have if they had payroll of 90 million.
The 26 million the Red Sox paid to speak to Dice K does not get listed on their payroll.

Unfortunately those are the rules that are in effect right now. Being a Yankee fan all I can say is that at least Steinbrenner takes the profits that he makes and sinks it back into the team.
I have seen too many owners make a profit and stick it into their pockets, rather than back into the franchise.

Also its not the Yankees fault that they draw 4 million people in the park, and have the most lucrative sports network in the country. Until anything changes it will always be the small market teams complaining about the advantage the big market teams have.

Living in the NY area I see the Mets spending big money but they haven't won a World Series since 1986. Its not how much you spend, but how you spend it.
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I stumbled upon this and thought it was a good article.

Money Can't Buy a Ring in the NFL
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Here, at the start of Free Agency 2007, we are once again reminded that trying to buy a championship in the NFL just doesn�t work.

In baseball, money often rules. Why? No salary cap nor the consequences thereof. This is why George Steinbrenner has been able to buy so many championships. Sign a bad player? Trade him. You may eat his salary but there�s no punitive cap to keep you from throwing good money after bad.

In all fairness, explaining away what the Yankees do simply by citing a bottomless cash pit is not telling the whole story. You have to pick talent, of course, but you must have chemistry; guys with egos that coexist productively rather than destructively.

You also cannot rely solely on free agency to fuel your team. Steinbrenner�s big dollar signings get the press but it�s the Yankee farm system, the development of key young players like Derek Jeter that made the difference in championship seasons. Oh, and having good leadership in Joe Torre didn�t hurt.

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In recent years the Yankees forgot that lesson, relying too heavily on free agency. Not surprisingly, they have gone six years without a World Series championship.

In the salary cap era of the NFL, the draft is the unquestioned secret to success. Teams that draft wisely and employ a strategy of building primarily via the draft will win. Those that don�t, won�t.

The reason is simple. Good young players cost less than high priced veteran free agents and are a better long term investment. They also tend to be less injury-prone (on the whole) and the rookie cap keeps most teams from hurting themselves with large, cumbersome signing bonuses. A younger player is also easier to indoctrinate into a team�s culture than a veteran set in his ways.

This is not a new lesson. If we look back to 1995, we�ll find the first team that learned about the dangers of free agency: the Miami Dolphins.

At the time, Don Shula felt as though owner Wayne Huizenga�s millions could bring him a championship in the twilight of his career. He signed expensive free agents he felt would plug holes on the Miami roster. What Shula really got were overpaid players with large egos and poor chemistry that badly underachieved. The end result was ugly as The Don resigned in the wake of a disappointing 9-8 season and a playoff blowout in Buffalo.

Miami was burdened by salary cap issues many years thereafter and could not protect some of their best players from leaving via agency (Marco Coleman, Troy Vincent, Bryan Cox). Today, the 1995 Dolphins are a case study used by the league in how not to manage the salary cap.

Another classic case study in cap economics is the 2000 Washington Redskins. Owner Dan Snyder spent lavishly on free agents, handing out multimillion dollar deals to older guys who didn�t earn their keep. In the aftermath of those poor spending decisions, Head Coach Norv Turner got the axe and the Redskins were burdened for many years with bad contracts, losing records, and old players whose best years were behind them.

Lessons learned, all. Today, there are several tenets to free agency that most teams abide by. Here are some of my favorites:

First, place a high priority on keeping your own good players. Good players are very hard to find. Don�t lose the ones you have, if you can help it.

Second, use free agency to fill holes rather than build the foundation. It is amazing and frightening how quickly free agent contracts and signing bonuses can blot out the balance sheet for years to come.

Third, never give a substantial signing bonus to a low character guy. Never. And, if you do, make sure you at least have some legal protections in the contract to recover the bonus if/when things turn sour.

Four, several up-and-coming talents are worth more than one elite superstar�unless you are convinced that the elite superstar is the difference in winning a Super Bowl within a year or two.

Five, hire staff (business and legal) totally dedicated to managing the cap. They know the market value of players, and they know what the ramifications will be of making a personnel decision.

Six, never let good players walk away without compensation. Tag players and tender them to a level that compels an interested party to make a deal that brings value in a trade on terms that you dictate.

When the gun goes off signaling the start of free agency, you can expect today�s Miami Dolphins to be smarter in how they approach the market.

First, they protected their best free agent (Vonnie Holliday) from hitting the market.

Second, they will shop to fill holes on the offensive line. Look for them to be especially active in bidding for the services of the top guards available (guys like Cincinnati�s Eric Steinbach, San Diego�s Kris Dielman, and Washington�s Derrick Dockery).

Three, they already have a policy in place that they do not give out big bonuses to bad guys. Wayne Huizenga�s hand is personally in that.

Four, GM Randy Mueller has already said that �quantity over quality� and up-and-coming talent will be the theme.

Five, the Dolphins have one of the best cap staffs in the NFL in Bryan Wiedmeier and Matt Thomas. And Huizenga will be prodding the conservative Wiedmeier from time to time when things bog down.

Six, the Dolphins have tendered key free agents (e.g. Wes Welker, Yeremiah Bell) at level that requires high compensation. The tenders came before the opening bell, before the market could set the price.

The Dolphins know that free agency isn�t free. They also know that spending lavishly on the wrong guys is a recipe for disaster.

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Thats a very good article. I always said just signing free agents will not get you a ring. However in defense of the Yankees, they have a core of players that came through their minor leagues, which many people never give them credit for. On their 25 man roster these players all came from their minor league system:

Derek Jeter
Robinson Cano
Melky Cabrera
Jorge Posada
Joba Chamberlain
Phil Hughes
Ian Kennedy
Andy Pettitte
Chien-Ming Wang
Mariano Rivera
Sean Henn
Jeff Karstens
Edwar Ramirez
Shelley Duncan

I think what is more important that is that the richer teams can run more minor league systems because of the money they have. Free agent signings are usually used for the final piece of the puzzle to complete the team. The signings always stand out though because if done "right" it could lead to the championship.
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Not to hijack the thread, but just wanted to make sure everyone saw what was going on over here: http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=157346

Yet another reason to hate the yankees...

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Not to hijack the thread, but just wanted to make sure everyone saw what was going on over here: http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=157346

Yet another reason to hate the yankees...

(Great article tbaker)
that is a great thread...i wonder who started it...hmmmmmm
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