[goblin]

ok, so here goes my very first post... i've been toying with the idea that we can stream from a tv tuner card on a computer to the MM-A700 via the Vision browser/Media Player combo...

why do i think it's possible? when you go into Media Player, Sprint TV pretty much limits you to selecting only the clips that they provide, right? well, if you check the properties of those clips, they're simply .3gp files streamed via RTSP. ok, check.

so how do we get OTHER .3gp files to stream? some other sites out there are already able to do so, and we can get to them via the Vision browser, www.zoovision.com, for example, which automatically pops open the Media Player for us when it recognizes such a link! nice, check, but this is still just video-on-demand.

so the idea is to obtain some software that will take a tv tuner card as input, and real-time encode it into .3gp format, not into a file, but into a RTSP stream. what software can do this? well, mpeg4ip for linux (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpeg4ip/) can do that and even downgrade the framerate to the supposed 15fps that the Media Player handles. check, but what's the catch.

the developers haven't included a .3gp encoding capability in the standard build, but claim to have received some contributed source code which provides that functionality. i can't find that particular source code anywhere, but have compiled the application otherwise on Fedora Core 2, and mp4live seems to work like a champ. if only i could find the .3gp code...

so, pardon my geeking out, but has anyone else given any thought to this? anyone feel like collaborating to try and get this to work?

what was my motivation? to be able to watch the red sox / yankees series from wherever i may be...

to summarize my idea:
tv tuner card on linux -> mpeg4ip -> .3gp -> RTSP -> Vision browser -> Media Player

EDIT: i obviously do not want MobiTV, so please don't tell me to use that. i want to be able to stream any channel i can receive on my home cable tv...

[3G Cables]

Originally Posted by goblin

ok, so here goes my very first post... i've been toying with the idea that we can stream from a tv tuner card on a computer to the MM-A700 via the Vision browser/Media Player combo...

why do i think it's possible? when you go into Media Player, Sprint TV pretty much limits you to selecting only the clips that they provide, right? well, if you check the properties of those clips, they're simply .3gp files streamed via RTSP. ok, check.

so how do we get OTHER .3gp files to stream? some other sites out there are already able to do so, and we can get to them via the Vision browser, www.zoovision.com, for example, which automatically pops open the Media Player for us when it recognizes such a link! nice, check, but this is still just video-on-demand.

so the idea is to obtain some software that will take a tv tuner card as input, and real-time encode it into .3gp format, not into a file, but into a RTSP stream. what software can do this? well, mpeg4ip for linux (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpeg4ip/) can do that and even downgrade the framerate to the supposed 15fps that the Media Player handles. check, but what's the catch.

the developers haven't included a .3gp encoding capability in the standard build, but claim to have received some contributed source code which provides that functionality. i can't find that particular source code anywhere, but have compiled the application otherwise on Fedora Core 2, and mp4live seems to work like a champ. if only i could find the .3gp code...

so, pardon my geeking out, but has anyone else given any thought to this? anyone feel like collaborating to try and get this to work?

what was my motivation? to be able to watch the red sox / yankees series from wherever i may be...

to summarize my idea:
tv tuner card on linux -> mpeg4ip -> .3gp -> RTSP -> Vision browser -> Media Player

EDIT: i obviously do not want MobiTV, so please don't tell me to use that. i want to be able to stream any channel i can receive on my home cable tv...

VERY cool! The only problem I see is getting the stream into a folder or root of the Media player. Maybe that is not necessary, just put it in am html format, but I think it must be in the Media Player folder to achieve the higher quality and better frame rates? Maybe not?

[goblin]

Originally Posted by 3G Cables

VERY cool! The only problem I see is getting the stream into a folder or root of the Media player. Maybe that is not necessary, just put it in am html format, but I think it must be in the Media Player folder to achieve the higher quality and better frame rates? Maybe not?

that's not a problem at all (at least i don't THINK it is...). think of it this way, when you click a link in Internet Explorer which pops up Windows Media Player to play a file, the player will play the file to the best of its ability. it's the exact same thing here. within the Vision browser, do a Menu -> 7 to Go to URL and pop in a properly formatted/reflected .3gp stream or follow a link from an html page, like you said (zoovision for example), and the Media Player comes up automatically. at no point do you need to worry about the folder structure in the Media Player itself because you're never manually starting it up!

[3G Cables]

Originally Posted by goblin

that's not a problem at all (at least i don't THINK it is...). think of it this way, when you click a link in Internet Explorer which pops up Windows Media Player to play a file, the player will play the file to the best of its ability. it's the exact same thing here. within the Vision browser, do a Menu -> 7 to Go to URL and pop in a properly formatted/reflected .3gp stream or follow a link from an html page, like you said (zoovision for example), and the Media Player comes up automatically. at no point do you need to worry about the folder structure in the Media Player itself because you're never manually starting it up!

Was thinking of it more like a bookmark. Samsung just made a neat “Media Player” shortcut with “bookmarks” in them and some of them are in folders. So yes, I think your theory would work out. Lets get it going! Maybe this app will let you do it, let me know http://stream-down.cocsoft.com/

I know it is not Linux but it may just work.

[goblin]

Originally Posted by 3G Cables

Was thinking of it more like a bookmark. Samsung just made a neat “Media Player” shortcut with “bookmarks” in them and some of them are in folders. So yes, I think your theory would work out. Lets get it going! Maybe this app will let you do it, let me know http://stream-down.cocsoft.com/

I know it is not Linux but it may just work.

ah i see, yeah the bookmark thing makes sense too. as for that app, it's not really what we'll need. it's more for trying to download media that providers have tried to limit to streaming-only.

i'm pretty sure that at this point, mpeg4ip is the way to go/our best bet, we just need to somehow find that .3gp encoding capability source code...

[3G Cables]

Originally Posted by goblin

ah i see, yeah the bookmark thing makes sense too. as for that app, it's not really what we'll need. it's more for trying to download media that providers have tried to limit to streaming-only.

i'm pretty sure that at this point, mpeg4ip is the way to go/our best bet, we just need to somehow find that .3gp encoding capability source code...

I get 27 hits in Google when I search for ".3gp encoding"

[goblin]

Originally Posted by 3G Cables

I get 27 hits in Google when I search for ".3gp encoding"

lol, if it were that easy, i would be posting a complete solution instead of crying out for help.

as a side note, a site in norway is already playing with streaming live tv over 3gp... i'm having all kinds of issues with it dying after the first few frames when i load it up, but the potential is there... the wap site was "wap.nrk.no" iirc...

[jdb8167]

Originally Posted by goblin

owhat was my motivation? to be able to watch the red sox / yankees series from wherever i may be...

Are you sure you want to watch? Yeesh. Cool idea though.

Have you checked out Apple's free RTSP streaming server, it claims 3gpp streaming capability.
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/pr...aming/faq.html

[goblin]

Originally Posted by jdb8167

Are you sure you want to watch? Yeesh. Cool idea though.

Have you checked out Apple's free RTSP streaming server, it claims 3gpp streaming capability.
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/pr...aming/faq.html

of course i want to watch, they're going to come back!

yeah, darwin is one of the first things that i looked at and played with, but the problem is, the Quicktime Broadcaster package that i would need in conjunction with darwin to capture the tv and compress/encode it, costs money, and it only runs on a powerpc... sorenson broadcast for windows seems like it would work, but again, more money...

[3G Cables]

Originally Posted by goblin

of course i want to watch, they're going to come back!

yeah, darwin is one of the first things that i looked at and played with, but the problem is, the Quicktime Broadcaster package that i would need in conjunction with darwin to capture the tv and compress/encode it, costs money, and it only runs on a powerpc... sorenson broadcast for windows seems like it would work, but again, more money...

I have an old PowerPC I can donate (remotely of course =) and use it as the server if necessary.

[goblin]

Originally Posted by 3G Cables

I have an old PowerPC I can donate (remotely of course =) and use it as the server if necessary.

the powerpc would have to do it all... have a tv tuner card, perform the encoding, broadcasting, etc. don't think that i'd be able to set all that up remotely, esp. since i've never used a powerpc before...

[qwestcell]

what would be better than streaming TV on yoru phone?
streaming video off your CPU liek downloaded movies/flics that i have on my CPU, THAT would be awesome, btu i knwo potentially impossible.


and being a sox fan i too would LOVE to get sox/yankees at work csince i work at qwest til 10 PM every night

[3G Cables]

Originally Posted by qwestcell

what would be better than streaming TV on yoru phone?
streaming video off your CPU liek downloaded movies/flics that i have on my CPU, THAT would be awesome, btu i knwo potentially impossible.


and being a sox fan i too would LOVE to get sox/yankees at work csince i work at qwest til 10 PM every night

There is no way my power PC could do it all. It is a 100MHz machine. hehehhee

[goblin]

Originally Posted by qwestcell

what would be better than streaming TV on yoru phone?
streaming video off your CPU liek downloaded movies/flics that i have on my CPU, THAT would be awesome, btu i knwo potentially impossible.


and being a sox fan i too would LOVE to get sox/yankees at work csince i work at qwest til 10 PM every night

that's actually not as impossible as you may think... it's actually MUCH easier to just take a regular video file, convert it to .3gp format and just stream that out... it's the real-time conversion that's more difficult...

if you wanted to do that movie thing, you should look into Nokia's Multimedia Converter 2.0 or some other free tools out there that will create the .3gp files for you. then you could use Darwin's Streaming Server, as was suggested above, to stream them out onto the net for your phone...

Originally Posted by 3G Cables

There is no way my power PC could do it all. It is a 100MHz machine. hehehhee

lol, guess we can scratch that off the list...

[jdb8167]

Originally Posted by goblin

the powerpc would have to do it all... have a tv tuner card, perform the encoding, broadcasting, etc. don't think that i'd be able to set all that up remotely, esp. since i've never used a powerpc before...

I have most of the equipment needed. A decently fast 1.3 GHz G4. A good broadband connection. A dyndns IP. I also have a analog to firewire converter box. The only problem is that I need a TV tuner. My last VCR bit the dust years ago and I'm not about to move my TiVo from my living room. But a cheap VCR should do it and I bet I can get one for about $60 at Walmart. A very intriguing idea.

I think the game will be rained out tonight (10/15) so I might be able to do this over the weekend. I think I will install Darwin Streaming Server on my webserver and see what happens. This is a very cool idea. It would be cool to stream the Pats game on Sunday too (going for 20 in a row, 17 regular season in row).