[MR29ROSE]

i was told that iwill have to trade in my cf2031 data card for a newer card that supports the fasterr ev-do service. is this true. or will the old cards be able to get those higher speeds
alos, wil our current phones be able to acheive those ev-do higher speeds, or will u need a newer handset to work with the higher speed.
what is the whole deal about ev-do
thanks

[Marlon_JB2]

Old cards will not be able to get the higher speeds. Once 1XEV-DO is deployed, you will have to buy a new card. The same applies to handsets.

[MR29ROSE]

my rep toldme they will givem e a 150 credit to get a new card when i give in my old one. also, will the new treo 650 have it ready you think?
mark

[Guy]

Originally Posted by marlon_jbt

Old cards will not be able to get the higher speeds. Once 1XEV-DO is deployed, you will have to buy a new card. The same applies to handsets.

Are you sure about the handsets?? I'm pretty sure they will still work, but not get the higher speeds. You will need a new EV-DO handset to get EV-DO functionality. Much like when the jump from 2G to 3G (2.5G) was made.

[Marlon_JB2]

The same applies to handsets/cards...regarding the higher speeds. That's what I meant. Should have been more clear.

"Old cards will not be able to get the higher speeds. Once 1XEV-DO is deployed, you will have to buy a new card to get the higher speeds. Your old card will still work, but at 1XRTT speeds.. The same applies to handsets."

Thanks for the heads up, Guy.

[varma]

Is this EV-do with the sprint or verizon does all the markets have this service

[3G Cables]

Originally Posted by varma

Is this EV-do with the sprint or verizon does all the markets have this service

EV-DO is currently deployed in several markets for Verizon including coverage at a number of airports in additional cities. BroadbandAccess uses CDMA 1xEV-DO technology, which provides typical data speeds of 300-500 kbps, comparable to DSL and cable broadband. The new cities are Atlanta, Austin, Baltimore, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Miami/Fort Lauderdale, Milwaukee, New York, Philadelphia, Tampa, and West Palm Beach. San Diego, Washington DC, and Las Vegas were launched earlier this year. Verizon plans to have one-third of its network covered by the end of the year. Sprint recently announced plans to deploy the same EV-DO technology across its network.

It is clear now that Verizon's ambitious plans to have EV-DO coverage nationwide by the middle of 2005 are now dead in the water. Markets that are possible (if not probable) targets for launch of Sprint's EV-DO service later this year are now delayed by Verizon to the point in time that Verizon had planned to be completed with EV-DO deployment.

This is very good news for Sprint. If Sprint can stay on-track with their deployment plans, they now have a very good chance of having the first overlay of a 3G network with a next-generation 3G network in the United States.

All said and done, Verizon has more EV-DO markets launched currently however Sprint will pass them by very quickly starting in a few months from now.

Yes you will need new phones and PC cards to work with the higher speed EV-DO network but the network will still be backward compatible so you will still be able to use your older equipment with the slower/current speeds.

Did I leave anything out?

[varma]

Originally Posted by 3G Cables

EV-DO is currently deployed in several markets for Verizon including coverage at a number of airports in additional cities. BroadbandAccess uses CDMA 1xEV-DO technology, which provides typical data speeds of 300-500 kbps, comparable to DSL and cable broadband. The new cities are Atlanta, Austin, Baltimore, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Miami/Fort Lauderdale, Milwaukee, New York, Philadelphia, Tampa, and West Palm Beach. San Diego, Washington DC, and Las Vegas were launched earlier this year. Verizon plans to have one-third of its network covered by the end of the year. Sprint recently announced plans to deploy the same EV-DO technology across its network.

It is clear now that Verizon's ambitious plans to have EV-DO coverage nationwide by the middle of 2005 are now dead in the water. Markets that are possible (if not probable) targets for launch of Sprint's EV-DO service later this year are now delayed by Verizon to the point in time that Verizon had planned to be completed with EV-DO deployment.

This is very good news for Sprint. If Sprint can stay on-track with their deployment plans, they now have a very good chance of having the first overlay of a 3G network with a next-generation 3G network in the United States.

All said and done, Verizon has more EV-DO markets launched currently however Sprint will pass them by very quickly starting in a few months from now.

Yes you will need new phones and PC cards to work with the higher speed EV-DO network but the network will still be backward compatible so you will still be able to use your older equipment with the slower/current speeds.

Did I leave anything out?

I have asked this question on the other thread.

Is this upgrade in the network for vision or addition of new feature.
meaning do we have to pay additional amount to what we are paying for vision

[3G Cables]

Originally Posted by varma

I have asked this question on the other thread.

Is this upgrade in the network for vision or addition of new feature.
meaning do we have to pay additional amount to what we are paying for vision

Nobody knows the answer to that question except for Sprint when it is launched.

My guess is that it will be like Vision where it is $15 per month. You will get the EV-DO and regular Vision in areas that EV-DO is not available and it will still be $15 per month. That is my guess but in no means an official statement.

[gemsmaker]

How on earth can you say with a straight face that Verizon isn't doing well and Sprint is doing great? Verizon has 17 cities rolled out (the new 14 plus the original San Diego, Washington DC and Las Vegas) and they are many of the largest cities and metropolitan areas in the USA literally from coast to coast from Los Angeles to New York City and many of the largest population centers in-between. On the other hand, Sprint, who orignally said that they'd have substantial evDO deployments across the country by the end of the year 2004 when they made their "us too!" announcements back in June, has yet to roll out even ONE (1) city.

Verizon is cleaning Sprint's clock and I'm a 2+ year Sprint customer who was one of the first people in the USA to sign up for SprintPCSVision (unlimited data plan for my laptop) way back on September 18, 2004. I have absolutely NO LOYALTY to Sprint whatsoever. My loyalty is to myself, my business and my clients as a knowledge worker.

IF Verizon rolls out in Chicago ONE DAY earlier than Sprint, I will call Sprint and I will give them ONE CHANCE to *tell me EXACTLY WHEN* they are going to roll out in Chicago. If they tell me even

ONE TIME

that this information isn't available at this time, I will

IMMEDIATELY

walk down to the Verizon store at 500 Michigan Ave in downtown Chicago a few blocks from where I live and transfer my $200 per month Sprint account (including voice) over to Verizon. Because if you can't tell me WHEN you're going to deploy when your competitors have ALREADY deployed, I

HAVE

to make the worst-case business scenario assumption that you are NEVER going to deploy or deploy many millions of years hence long after I am dead and gone.

As Lord Maynard Keynes once said, "in the long run, we are all dead."

TIME is of the essence, Sprint.

Signed,

A Typical DISloyal Customer

[3G Cables]

Originally Posted by gemsmaker

How on earth can you say with a straight face that Verizon isn't doing well and Sprint is doing great? Verizon has 17 cities rolled out (the new 14 plus the original San Diego, Washington DC and Las Vegas) and they are many of the largest cities and metropolitan areas in the USA literally from coast to coast from Los Angeles to New York City and many of the largest population centers in-between. On the other hand, Sprint, who orignally said that they'd have substantial evDO deployments across the country by the end of the year 2004 when they made their "us too!" announcements back in June, has yet to roll out even ONE (1) city.

Verizon is cleaning Sprint's clock and I'm a 2+ year Sprint customer who was one of the first people in the USA to sign up for SprintPCSVision (unlimited data plan for my laptop) way back on September 18, 2004. I have absolutely NO LOYALTY to Sprint whatsoever. My loyalty is to myself, my business and my clients as a knowledge worker.

IF Verizon rolls out in Chicago ONE DAY earlier than Sprint, I will call Sprint and I will give them ONE CHANCE to *tell me EXACTLY WHEN* they are going to roll out in Chicago. If they tell me even

ONE TIME

that this information isn't available at this time, I will

IMMEDIATELY

walk down to the Verizon store at 500 Michigan Ave in downtown Chicago a few blocks from where I live and transfer my $200 per month Sprint account (including voice) over to Verizon. Because if you can't tell me WHEN you're going to deploy when your competitors have ALREADY deployed, I

HAVE

to make the worst-case business scenario assumption that you are NEVER going to deploy or deploy many millions of years hence long after I am dead and gone.

As Lord Maynard Keynes once said, "in the long run, we are all dead."

TIME is of the essence, Sprint.

Signed,

A Typical DISloyal Customer

What you may not understand is that for Verizon to upgrade their network to EV-DO is much harder than it is for Sprint. Actually, you may indeed understand that and that is where you hostility comes from.

The part you may not understand is that that it is much easier for Sprint to upgrade their towers. I too am disappointed that Sprint missed the first one out of the gate to deploy EV-DO however they will very quickly surpass Verizon in all markets.

However Sprints talk is cheap. They will need to SHOW that they are going to launch in a big way, not just say it. I have heard a big launch is due in January. I don’t think they are going to launch Chicago just for you unfortunately.

BUT, when Sprint does launch they will very quickly surpass Verizon.

[lgmayka]

Originally Posted by 3G Cables

What you may not understand is that for Verizon to upgrade their network to EV-DO is much harder than it is for Sprint.
...
The part you may not understand is that that it is much easier for Sprint to upgrade their towers.

This is an interesting claim. Do you have any evidence or technical basis for it?

[3G Cables]

Originally Posted by lgmayka

This is an interesting claim. Do you have any evidence or technical basis for it?

Absolutely. When I was being trained as a tech for Sprint, one of the first things they told us about Sprints network is that is was built from day 1 with true 3G in mind. True 3G is EV-DO and EV-DV. I don’t remember exactly what they said but I THINK they said that to upgrade their towers all they needed to do was make a firmware upgrade or replace a PC card in the tower or CO. Something to that effect. Then when asked about Verizon (the only other large scale CDMA network) they instructor stated that Verizon’s towers were not built from the ground up to offer 3G data services and for them to upgrade they need to do major hardware upgrades to each tower. Why do you think they are taking to long to deploy? It has been over a year since they started to upgrade their towers (not the actual launch date which came later) since they launched in San Diego and Washington DC and they only have 14 markets launched now. That is SLOW.

[that_kid]

Wow that's interesting especially when I know that sprint and verizon are using the same equipment in many of their markets, same BTS's different bands. Plus i've been told that sprint doesn't have any intentions on doing ev-dv. Hell they didn't want to do ev-do until verizon forced their hand. Upgrade wise both carriers can do it in the same time, but each carrier has different tests they want to focus on.

[3G Cables]

Originally Posted by that_kid

Wow that's interesting especially when I know that sprint and verizon are using the same equipment in many of their markets, same BTS's different bands. Plus i've been told that sprint doesn't have any intentions on doing ev-dv. Hell they didn't want to do ev-do until verizon forced their hand. Upgrade wise both carriers can do it in the same time, but each carrier has different tests they want to focus on.

That’s strange I don’t know why a certified experienced Sprint trainer would make that up?