Will Sprint have to change its Ads? 4G defined: WiMax and LTE don't qualify

Miami4G · 10-24-2010, 08:20 PM

4G defined: WiMax and LTE don't qualify

http://www.networkworld.com/news/201...x-and-lte.html

If someone is trying to sell you 4G wireless these days, don't believe them.

The truth is, neither WiMax nor LTE (Long-Term Evolution) qualify as 4G (fourth-generation) technologies, according to the International Telecommunication Union Radiocommunication Sector (ITU-R). On Thursday, the group announced it had finished its assessment of submissions for the 4G standard, also called IMT-Advanced. Based on that group's decision, to really be selling 4G, carriers will have to get going with one of two future technologies, called LTE-Advanced and WirelessMAN-Advanced. The latter, also known as IEEE 802.16m, will form the basis of WiMax Release 2.
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However, it appears that's not going to stop service providers from advertising current and upcoming services as 4G.

For WiMax operator Clearwire, the 4G label denotes an advancement beyond 3G networks, Clearwire spokesman Mike DiGioia said. "WiMax, and the LTE products that are coming out, are all sufficiently advanced past the 3G networks to indicate that they're moving forward," he said.

I guess EVO 4G owners have a case that they were sold or mislead into purchasing a 4G device when infact its not. Some lawyers will have fun with this.

Let the insanity begin.

**w7excursion** · 10-24-2010, 08:43 PM

lol I knew I should have made my avy with 3g instead. I'll fix it later.

**monkeyboy** · 10-24-2010, 08:53 PM

I don't see why Sprint et al has to stop saying "4G"... they never said "ITU 4G"... Sprint can have its own 4th generation, and indeed it *is* the 4th generation of data network for Sprint...

according to the ITU, 1xrtt is 3G... yet if Sprint calls it 3G now, you'd heard a lot of complaints...

**DJRider** · 10-24-2010, 08:57 PM

I really don't care what qualifies as 4G. I was in NYC today on Sprint's 4G and it is incredible and obviously blows 3G away.

Seriously who declared the International Telecommunication Union Radiocommunication Sector (ITU-R) as the experts on 4G. They can call it anything they want now, revisionist history. All I know is my EVO flies when connected to 4G. That is all I care about.

Footnote: According to wiki this is what the International Telecommunication Union Radiocommunication Sector is:

The ITU Radiocommunication Sector (ITU-R) is one of the three sectors (divisions or units) of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) and is responsible for radio communication.

Its role is to manage the international radio-frequency spectrum and satellite orbit resources and to develop standards for radiocommunications systems with the objective of ensuring the effective use of the spectrum. [1]

ITU is required, according to its Constitution, to allocate spectrum and register frequency allocation, orbital positions and other parameters of satellites, “in order to avoid harmful interference between radio stations of different countries”. The international spectrum management system is therefore based on regulatory procedures for frequency coordination, notification and registration.

ITU-R has a permanent secretariat, the Radiocommunication Bureau, based at the ITU HQ in Geneva, Switzerland. The elected Director of the Bureau is Mr. Valery Timofeev of Russia. First elected by the ITU Membership to the Directorship in 2002, Mr. Timofeev was re-elected for a 2nd 4-year term in November 2006.

Sounds to me that they are regulatory agency that coordinates spectrums and registers them. It doesn't say anywhere that they are the 4G experts, lol I depend on results and what I see in front of me, and I saw Sprint's 4G today and it is incredibly fast.

*Freak4Dell* · 10-24-2010, 09:05 PM

Eh, it's nothing but wordplay. There's no set definition for 4G, because there can't be. The 4 stands for 4th, and the G stands for generation. As far as any carrier is concerned, the technology is significantly different, and the speeds are significantly higher, so this generation of data technology cannot be considered anything but a new generation. Thus, it can't still be called 3G, so the only logical step is 4G.

**DJRider** · 10-24-2010, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freak4Dell

Eh, it's nothing but wordplay. There's no set definition for 4G, because there can't be. The 4 stands for 4th, and the G stands for generation. As far as any carrier is concerned, the technology is significantly different, and the speeds are significantly higher, so this generation of data technology cannot be considered anything but a new generation. Thus, it can't still be called 3G, so the only logical step is 4G.

Exactly. The article really means nothing and is just a ton of word play.

Miami4G · 10-25-2010, 07:35 AM

I wonder if Sprint will have an official response on this?
But you can't exactly sell an 802.11g product as such if it does not meet the specifications of the sanctioning body for example. Most likely it will be a few days for Sprint's lawyers to chew over this and see fit to comment.

**Evan702** · 10-25-2010, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miami4G

I wonder if Sprint will have an official response on this?

Doubtful...

Quote:

Most likely it will be a few days for Sprint's lawyers to chew over this and see fit to comment.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on that if I were you...

**DJRider** · 10-25-2010, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miami4G

I wonder if Sprint will have an official response on this?
But you can't exactly sell an 802.11g product as such if it does not meet the specifications of the sanctioning body for example. Most likely it will be a few days for Sprint's lawyers to chew over this and see fit to comment.

No way will Sprint respond! Why should they? I really doubt the 4G police are going to press charges,

I guess Apple will not be allowed to us the number 4 also in their iPhone4? Lets try and be real.

usernameOU812 · 10-25-2010, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miami4G

I wonder if Sprint will have an official response on this?
But you can't exactly sell an 802.11g product as such if it does not meet the specifications of the sanctioning body for example. Most likely it will be a few days for Sprint's lawyers to chew over this and see fit to comment.

& since it was brilliantly mentioned that the standards were just detemined for the next evolution of 4G & that there were really no standards before...ummm what does SPCS have to uphold to?

The only one's wondering is the insane & those that can't get in the game yet & have to use semantics.

Mbrahv0528 · 10-25-2010, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miami4G

I wonder if Sprint will have an official response on this?
But you can't exactly sell an 802.11g product as such if it does not meet the specifications of the sanctioning body for example. Most likely it will be a few days for Sprint's lawyers to chew over this and see fit to comment.

They won't, and they shouldn't. Where is your article on T-Mobile advertising an ACTUAL 3g network as a 4g network? Oh that's right, you're anti-Sprint, that wouldn't fit into what you've pigeon-holed yourself into on this site as a Sprint basher.. Right on.

***andre141*** · 10-25-2010, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeyboy

according to the ITU, 1xrtt is 3G... yet if Sprint calls it 3G now, you'd heard a lot of complaints...

Yep, for quite a while Verizon was including its 1xrtt network in its "America's Largest 3G Network" marketing ads. That was one of my biggest gripes about Verizon, that they were misleading customers into believing ALL of that red map was high speed data. Because to the layperson, 3G = Fast data, which is not always the case.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mbrahv0528

They won't, and they shouldn't. Where is your article on T-Mobile advertising an ACTUAL 3g network as a 4g network?

I know! I was shocked when I found out that TMO is marketing its HSPA+ as 4G. They are even beginning to sell phones with 4G in the name, like the upcoming MyTouch 4G.

Makes me wonder if AT&T will market their HSPA+ as 4G once its ready.

***BerryChic*** · 10-25-2010, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andre141

I know! I was shocked when I found out that TMO is marketing its HSPA+ as 4G. They are even beginning to sell phones with 4G in the name, like the upcoming MyTouch 4G.

Makes me wonder if AT&T will market their HSPA+ as 4G once its ready.

ok, I thought I was just hearing things when I saw the HTC G2 commercial saying the phone with 4G speeds on tmo

*Freak4Dell* · 10-25-2010, 11:08 AM

As far as I know, T-Mobile just says 4G speeds, which they're just comparing to Sprint. HSPA+ does have 4G speeds. However, they could've moved away from that and started calling it all out 4G. I don't really pay attention to T-Mobile.

In all honesty, right now I'd rather have T-Mobile's HSPA+ anyway. Since it's not too different from HSPA, it can probably penetrate walls better than Sprint's WiMax can, which means I could use it more often, and they don't charge extra for it.

Miami4G · 10-25-2010, 12:35 PM

I just found out that Tmobile is marketing its phone with 4G speeds ahh thats worth a few lulz.

10-24-2010, 08:20 PM	#1
Miami4G Cordless Phone User Join Date: May 14, '10 Posts: 710 Thanks: 2 Thanked 21 Times in 20 Posts SU$: 7,880	Will Sprint have to change its Ads? 4G defined: WiMax and LTE don't qualify 4G defined: WiMax and LTE don't qualify http://www.networkworld.com/news/201...x-and-lte.html If someone is trying to sell you 4G wireless these days, don't believe them. The truth is, neither WiMax nor LTE (Long-Term Evolution) qualify as 4G (fourth-generation) technologies, according to the International Telecommunication Union Radiocommunication Sector (ITU-R). On Thursday, the group announced it had finished its assessment of submissions for the 4G standard, also called IMT-Advanced. Based on that group's decision, to really be selling 4G, carriers will have to get going with one of two future technologies, called LTE-Advanced and WirelessMAN-Advanced. The latter, also known as IEEE 802.16m, will form the basis of WiMax Release 2. SLA Compliance: Wireless Fidelity Achieved: Download now However, it appears that's not going to stop service providers from advertising current and upcoming services as 4G. For WiMax operator Clearwire, the 4G label denotes an advancement beyond 3G networks, Clearwire spokesman Mike DiGioia said. "WiMax, and the LTE products that are coming out, are all sufficiently advanced past the 3G networks to indicate that they're moving forward," he said. I guess EVO 4G owners have a case that they were sold or mislead into purchasing a 4G device when infact its not. Some lawyers will have fun with this. Let the insanity begin.

10-24-2010, 08:43 PM	#2
w7excursion I want to believe Join Date: Sep 3, '05 Location: The Upper Room Posts: 15,066 Phone: N2 GS3 Trades: 10 Thanks: 282 Thanked 320 Times in 288 Posts SU$: 101,096	lol I knew I should have made my avy with 3g instead. I'll fix it later. __________________ WELCOME TO SERO PLATINUM Stop reading me!

10-24-2010, 08:57 PM	#4
DJRider Grandpa Misfire! Mood: Join Date: Feb 4, '05 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 15,018 Phone: Samsung SG3 Trades: 8 Thanks: 467 Thanked 588 Times in 454 Posts SU$: 98,748	I really don't care what qualifies as 4G. I was in NYC today on Sprint's 4G and it is incredible and obviously blows 3G away. Seriously who declared the International Telecommunication Union Radiocommunication Sector (ITU-R) as the experts on 4G. They can call it anything they want now, revisionist history. All I know is my EVO flies when connected to 4G. That is all I care about. Footnote: According to wiki this is what the International Telecommunication Union Radiocommunication Sector is: The ITU Radiocommunication Sector (ITU-R) is one of the three sectors (divisions or units) of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) and is responsible for radio communication. Its role is to manage the international radio-frequency spectrum and satellite orbit resources and to develop standards for radiocommunications systems with the objective of ensuring the effective use of the spectrum. [1] ITU is required, according to its Constitution, to allocate spectrum and register frequency allocation, orbital positions and other parameters of satellites, “in order to avoid harmful interference between radio stations of different countries”. The international spectrum management system is therefore based on regulatory procedures for frequency coordination, notification and registration. ITU-R has a permanent secretariat, the Radiocommunication Bureau, based at the ITU HQ in Geneva, Switzerland. The elected Director of the Bureau is Mr. Valery Timofeev of Russia. First elected by the ITU Membership to the Directorship in 2002, Mr. Timofeev was re-elected for a 2nd 4-year term in November 2006. Sounds to me that they are regulatory agency that coordinates spectrums and registers them. It doesn't say anywhere that they are the 4G experts, lol I depend on results and what I see in front of me, and I saw Sprint's 4G today and it is incredibly fast. __________________ If you see a post that violates our forum guidelines, please click the report button. Last edited by DJRider; 10-25-2010 at 10:35 AM. Reason: Spelling

10-24-2010, 09:05 PM	#5
Freak4Dell Account Locked Join Date: Aug 6, '05 Location: Garland, TX Posts: 5,322 Phone: Samsung M920 Trades: 2 Thanks: 13 Thanked 76 Times in 63 Posts SU$: 19,117	Eh, it's nothing but wordplay. There's no set definition for 4G, because there can't be. The 4 stands for 4th, and the G stands for generation. As far as any carrier is concerned, the technology is significantly different, and the speeds are significantly higher, so this generation of data technology cannot be considered anything but a new generation. Thus, it can't still be called 3G, so the only logical step is 4G. __________________ a740 --> a900 --> Katana --> a900 --> a900m --> M1 --> a900m --> PPC6700 --> a900m--> 8400 --> a900m --> Treo 700wx --> Treo 800w --> Transform + Droid Pro

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Freak4Dell Account Locked Join Date: Aug 6, '05 Location: Garland, TX Posts: 5,322 Phone: Samsung M920 Trades: 2 Thanks: 13 Thanked 76 Times in 63 Posts SU$: 19,117	As far as I know, T-Mobile just says 4G speeds, which they're just comparing to Sprint. HSPA+ does have 4G speeds. However, they could've moved away from that and started calling it all out 4G. I don't really pay attention to T-Mobile. In all honesty, right now I'd rather have T-Mobile's HSPA+ anyway. Since it's not too different from HSPA, it can probably penetrate walls better than Sprint's WiMax can, which means I could use it more often, and they don't charge extra for it. __________________ a740 --> a900 --> Katana --> a900 --> a900m --> M1 --> a900m --> PPC6700 --> a900m--> 8400 --> a900m --> Treo 700wx --> Treo 800w --> Transform + Droid Pro

10-24-2010, 08:53 PM	#3
monkeyboy (candy)bar hopper Join Date: Nov 11, '02 Posts: 4,335 Trades: 2 Thanks: 46 Thanked 285 Times in 235 Posts SU$: 49,400	I don't see why Sprint et al has to stop saying "4G"... they never said "ITU 4G"... Sprint can have its own 4th generation, and indeed it is the 4th generation of data network for Sprint... according to the ITU, 1xrtt is 3G... yet if Sprint calls it 3G now, you'd heard a lot of complaints...

10-25-2010, 07:35 AM	#7
Miami4G Cordless Phone User Join Date: May 14, '10 Posts: 710 Thanks: 2 Thanked 21 Times in 20 Posts SU$: 7,880	I wonder if Sprint will have an official response on this? But you can't exactly sell an 802.11g product as such if it does not meet the specifications of the sanctioning body for example. Most likely it will be a few days for Sprint's lawyers to chew over this and see fit to comment.

10-25-2010, 12:35 PM	#15
Miami4G Cordless Phone User Join Date: May 14, '10 Posts: 710 Thanks: 2 Thanked 21 Times in 20 Posts SU$: 7,880	I just found out that Tmobile is marketing its phone with 4G speeds ahh thats worth a few lulz.

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