[grndslm]

Originally Posted by metallicpoet

Nope, calling during your nights and weekends time will not deduct from your anytime minutes (and it is the only thing that will work while roaming. Mobile-to-mobile, free incoming, AnyMobile, Pick 3/5/6, etc. do not work while roaming).

Bear in mind that even though N/W roaming minutes aren't deducted from your anytime minutes, they will count towards the 50%/800-minute rule in which more than 50% of your monthly usage must be done while on the Sprint network.

And how are people supposed to know those details if they're not in the contract? That's what I'd like to know.

[metallicpoet]

Originally Posted by grndslm

And how are people supposed to know those details if they're not in the contract? That's what I'd like to know.

It is.

http://www.sprintpcs.com/common/popu...Agreement.html

Sprint Subscriber Agreement

"Roaming-Included Plans: Not available with single-band or digital mode only phones, or to customers residing in an area not covered by the nationwide Sprint PCS network. Sprint may terminate service if a majority of minutes in a given month are used while roaming off the nationwide Sprint PCS network. International calling including in Canada & Mexico, not included. Usage in Expanded Voice Coverage areas may, in some instances, be invoiced after 30-60 days. When calling from Expanded Voice Coverage Areas: (a) Sprint PCS Vision and Sprint PCS to PCS Calling services are not available; and (b) certain calling features (Voicemail, Caller ID, Call Waiting, etc.) may not work . . .

Sprint Mobile-to-Mobile: Sprint Mobile to Mobile is only available on calls placed directly between separate Sprint PCS Phones and most Nextel Phones while on the nationwide Sprint PCS network (not through Voicemail, Sprint 411 or other indirect methods). Excludes Nextel subscribers in certain markets. Sprint Mobile to Mobile is not available while roaming.."

[grndslm]

Sure.... but the 800 min roaming limit isn't in there.

And the contract defines what M2M is... PCS 2 PCS. So that means that AM2M, Pick3/5, FIMF, etc. won't be deducted from anytime minutes, right? And it makes no mention that you won't be deducted AT minutes if you're roaming.

Just too many details not in the contract. Seems pretty crazy that you agree to these terms, but Sprint has their own terms that they don't need to tell you until it's after the fact.

[metallicpoet]

Originally Posted by grndslm

Sure.... but the 800 min roaming limit isn't in there.

And the contract defines what M2M is... PCS 2 PCS. So that means that AM2M, Pick3/5, FIMF, etc. won't be deducted from anytime minutes, right? And it makes no mention that you won't be deducted AT minutes if you're roaming.

Just too many details not in the contract. Seems pretty crazy that you agree to these terms, but Sprint has their own terms that they don't need to tell you until it's after the fact.

oops, looks like I dug up the old terms

Here we go.

http://www.sprintpcs.com/common/popu...msPrivacy.html

"Roaming-Included Plans: Not available with single-band phones, or to customers residing outside an area covered by the Nationwide Sprint PCS Network. Sprint may terminate service if (1) more than 800 minutes, (2) a majority of minutes or (3) a majority of data kilobytes in a given month are used while roaming. International calling, including in Canada and Mexico, is not included in roaming-included plans. Roaming usage may be invoiced after 30-60 days. Vision/Power Vision services and certain calling features (Voicemail, Caller ID, Call Waiting, etc.) may not be available in all roaming areas."

I agree, it's vague and they really should define what doesn't count while roaming a little better. I wouldn't have known my free incoming calls didn't count while roaming if not for these forums.

[grndslm]

At least that's somewhat better.

[Dan]

The services that do not apply when roaming include:

mobile to mobile.

Anymobile.

Free incoming / first incoming minute free

sprint to home

sprint to office

sprint pick 3 / pick 5

Effectively, the only thing you have to make your minutes not "count" against anytime minutes is nights and weekends, and the nights when roaming start at the same time as if you were on the Sprint network. Most every other voice feature doesn't apply when roaming.

[BeTeP]

So, basically if I sign up, get a phone at a discounted price and will keep using the phone in roaming mode all the time Sprint will cancel my contract and I get to keep the phone???

[metallicpoet]

Originally Posted by BeTeP

So, basically if I sign up, get a phone at a discounted price and will keep using the phone in roaming mode all the time Sprint will cancel my contract and I get to keep the phone???

Yeah. Roaming is not intended to be a primary means of coverage. You're with the wrong carrier if you need to roam everywhere you go.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by BeTeP

So, basically if I sign up, get a phone at a discounted price and will keep using the phone in roaming mode all the time Sprint will cancel my contract and I get to keep the phone???

Yes, you get to keep the phone. If you are roaming constantly on month 1 sprint may call you and invite you to return the device and get your money back. If, after that, you are let go you will likely not be charged an ETF. You may also be terminated for violating the terms of the agreement and lose ant MIR's that you had applied for.

Simply put, you can have a device that is really only useful for the Sprint network. I doubt it is really worth it!

[BeTeP]

Originally Posted by Dan

Yes, you get to keep the phone. If you are roaming constantly on month 1 sprint may call you and invite you to return the device and get your money back. If, after that, you are let go you will likely not be charged an ETF. You may also be terminated for violating the terms of the agreement and lose ant MIR's that you had applied for.

Simply put, you can have a device that is really only useful for the Sprint network. I doubt it is really worth it!

Well, I have slightly different situation - I have 2 different accounts on my name for me and my wife 1which is mine isn't eligible for upgrade with 1000+200bonus, fimf,oaming, airwave etc etc 7pm nights though for $40. Another one for $40 plain 1000min w/ $1 for 500 sms and roaming.6pm nights though which is eligible for an upgrade. I'm ready to lose 2nd one, but want a touch pro 2 for myself on the 1st plan. You can have only 1 account with sprint now so I was thinking get $70 credit for extending my contract+ get a new phone and start roaming to get canceled, then port the number around to my first account or open one in my wife's name

[Dan]

Originally Posted by BeTeP

Well, I have slightly different situation - I have 2 different accounts on my name for me and my wife 1which is mine isn't eligible for upgrade with 1000+200bonus, fimf,oaming, airwave etc etc 7pm nights though for $40. Another one for $40 plain 1000min w/ $1 for 500 sms and roaming.6pm nights though which is eligible for an upgrade. I'm ready to lose 2nd one, but want a touch pro 2 for myself on the 1st plan. You can have only 1 account with sprint now so I was thinking get $70 credit for extending my contract+ get a new phone and start roaming to get canceled, then port the number around to my first account or open one in my wife's name

Why not just get the device you want on ebay, paying about the same as the sprint upgrade price and not have to worry about the roaming scam? It would just be your luck they will decide to charge you the ETF, which they do not legally have to waive.

TP2 is going for around $470 on ebay, NIB and shipped to you. It is $450 on an upgrade, and you wouldn't qualify for the additional $100 MIR anyways.

If one of your accounts is eligible for a 2nd line, you could just TOL the one plan from account 1 to account 2 and keep both plans!

[UncleMike]

While referencing Sprint's current terms and conditions on their web site is good for discussion purposes, terms vary over time, and the terms for any contract are those that were in effect at the time the contract was signed or extended.

I started this thread, and would like to clarify that my excessive roaming never incurred any charges. I only started the thread to confirm that Sprint does (at times) enforce the roaming limit terms, and to explain what happened to me when they did so. I have no complaints about being asked to leave, or the terms under which that occurred.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by UncleMike

While referencing Sprint's current terms and conditions on their web site is good for discussion purposes, terms vary over time, and the terms for any contract are those that were in effect at the time the contract was signed or extended.

I started this thread, and would like to clarify that my excessive roaming never incurred any charges. I only started the thread to confirm that Sprint does (at times) enforce the roaming limit terms, and to explain what happened to me when they did so. I have no complaints about being asked to leave, or the terms under which that occurred.

See, that's where you are wrong. The terms can be amended by Sprint at any time as long as they give you notice of the change. If the change is a "material change" to the agreement, you have 30 days typically to inform Sprint you do not agree with the change and terminate your contract ETF free.

The notice is typically printed on the back of the main summary page of your bill, the one that you tear the bottom off to mail your payment to Sprint with. The notice typically tells you that "the agreement has been amended, visit www.sprint.com to view the new agreement." and also informs you that you may have certain rights, and how to contact Sprint to get a paper copy of the contract.

Their are many companies that can change your terms with a small notice on the bill. Credit card companies do it all the time, and your options are to agree to the change or choose to remove your ability to borrow on that card and pay the balance under the old terms. They don't allow you to keep using the card under the old terms typically.

[UncleMike]

Originally Posted by Dan

See, that's where you are wrong. The terms can be amended by Sprint at any time as long as they give you notice of the change. If the change is a "material change" to the agreement, you have 30 days typically to inform Sprint you do not agree with the change and terminate your contract ETF free.

The notice is typically printed on the back of the main summary page of your bill, the one that you tear the bottom off to mail your payment to Sprint with. The notice typically tells you that "the agreement has been amended, visit www.sprint.com to view the new agreement." and also informs you that you may have certain rights, and how to contact Sprint to get a paper copy of the contract.

Their are many companies that can change your terms with a small notice on the bill. Credit card companies do it all the time, and your options are to agree to the change or choose to remove your ability to borrow on that card and pay the balance under the old terms. They don't allow you to keep using the card under the old terms typically.

Hmm... you're right. It appears that I forgot that little tidbit about continuing with your service being construed as acceptance of any modification of terms.

[metallicpoet]

Originally Posted by Dan

See, that's where you are wrong. The terms can be amended by Sprint at any time as long as they give you notice of the change. If the change is a "material change" to the agreement, you have 30 days typically to inform Sprint you do not agree with the change and terminate your contract ETF free.

The notice is typically printed on the back of the main summary page of your bill, the one that you tear the bottom off to mail your payment to Sprint with. The notice typically tells you that "the agreement has been amended, visit www.sprint.com to view the new agreement." and also informs you that you may have certain rights, and how to contact Sprint to get a paper copy of the contract.

Their are many companies that can change your terms with a small notice on the bill. Credit card companies do it all the time, and your options are to agree to the change or choose to remove your ability to borrow on that card and pay the balance under the old terms. They don't allow you to keep using the card under the old terms typically.

The only problem I have with this is this part of the agreement:

"The following, without limitation, will generally not be considered changes to the Agreement as contemplated in this provision and will not result in the waiver of applicable Early Termination Fees: (a) changes to our Policies; (b) changes to rates or charges that are not a core part of the rate plan package for which you contracted – for example, incidental, occasional or casual use charges and other options that do not require a Term Commitment; (b) changes to Taxes & Government Fees; or (c) changes to Surcharges, including assessing new Surcharges."

Oh ok, so if Sprint started to want to charge people an extra $20 for "administrative fees," they're going to try to tell us that it can't be used to void our contracts?