Treo Reception vs. other phones

[bubbatex]

I was reading on some other forums (mytreo.net, to be exact) that reception on a Treo 650 is not as good as their previous phone or phones. Most of these seemed to be on either Verizon or TMobile. I was just wondering if anyone here has experienced a lower level of reception or signal with a Treo compared to other phones. I am looking at getting one later this year (might wait until the 700 gets to Sprint before buying the 650). The reception on my LG is excellent and I don't want to go backwards - or at least very little.

[hizd4life]

I was reading on some other forums (mytreo.net, to be exact) that reception on a Treo 650 is not as good as their previous phone or phones. Most of these seemed to be on either Verizon or TMobile. I was just wondering if anyone here has experienced a lower level of reception or signal with a Treo compared to other phones. I am looking at getting one later this year (might wait until the 700 gets to Sprint before buying the 650). The reception on my LG is excellent and I don't want to go backwards - or at least very little.
No reception issues here. I think it boils down to the network and the location you are in. Another issue could be because the low volume and mic of the 650. I have VolumeCare which solves the low volume and mic issue.

[alaron]

I switched to Sprint because Verizon, TMobile, and Cingular have crappy reception at my workplace. When I first went to Sprint I got the 8300, which got very nice reception. I had used the 650 on Verizon, and I really wanted it on Sprint, but it got terrible reception as compared to the 8300. I have since been using the A900, which also gets excellent reception.

Just my situation.

[bjork_rules]

The 650 gets about the best reception of any phone on Sprint, but it can't roam on analog. I've seen lots of reports of bad reception from the 6700, but I've never had a problem with mine. It's tough to put much faith in reviews unless they tested the phone is your exact area and on the same network.

Your best bet is to get one and use the 14-day trial period to test it out at your home and work.

[Merlyn_3D]

The 650 is using the older qualcomm chipset (pre-EVDO). It's been my experience that the new MSM6500 chipset (in all EVDO handsets) has yielded slightly better reception than any of hte older phones. This is why the a800, a900, 9000, 6700 all have noteable reception. The Treo 650 is good, but that's by older chipset standards. Trust me, the 700p will be better, got stronger reception than any other sprint phone I've had.

[eman]

I've seen lots of reports of bad reception from the 6700
You should not even be aloud to post anymore. And once again I am sure you cannot back up your claim.

As far as the Treo 650's reception. It was always known as one of the better reception phones. Although if you are willing to wait, you might as well wait for the 700.

[Lockdawg]

The 650 is using the older qualcomm chipset (pre-EVDO). It's been my experience that the new MSM6500 chipset (in all EVDO handsets) has yielded slightly better reception than any of hte older phones. This is why the a800, a900, 9000, 6700 all have noteable reception. The Treo 650 is good, but that's by older chipset standards. Trust me, the 700p will be better, got stronger reception than any other sprint phone I've had.

The samsung A800 is not a EVDO phone and is one of the first MM phones...it doesnt have the same chipsets as the new A900 and A920.

[Merlyn_3D]

The samsung A800 is not a EVDO phone and is one of the first MM phones...it doesnt have the same chipsets as the new A900 and A920.

Yes it does, it also has the MSM6500 qualcomm chip. The phone's hardware CAN support EVDO, however sprint never saw fit to release a software update to enable it. Sure it doesn't do EVDO, but hardware-wise, it's every bit as EVDO capable as the A900 and A920. It also explains why the A800's reception was killer when it came out, and why people raved about how good it was.

[Malatesta]

I was just wondering if anyone here has experienced a lower level of reception or signal with a Treo compared to other phones.
I've had nothing but great reception with the 650, though even with VolumeCare I find the earpiece lacking to other phones.

I've had the 8100 and 6700 and the 8100 was okay and the 6700 was really good (helps having 1x and evdo to switch between).

But I think you'll be find with the 650. You just have to try it out.

[bjork_rules]

You should not even be aloud to post anymore. And once again I am sure you cannot back up your claim.

Try reading next time. It will help keep you from looking so stupid. http://www.mobiletechreview.com/Sprint-PPC-6700.htm

[Malatesta]

ppc-6700 review (http://www.mobiletechreview.com/Sprint-PPC-6700.htm)
That said, even with less than a full bar call quality didn't suffer greatly, nor did the phone drop calls. We got approx. 300 kbit/s on EVDO with 1/2 bar reception. Unlike Verizon's Samsung i730 which ratchets up antenna power and signal when EVDO is running, the PPC-6700 does not.
:scratch:

[James2012]

I've had about 6 Sprint phones thus far.. and the Treo is up there. I think that the LG was probably the best, but I'm quite happy with Treo's ability.

I was reading on some other forums (mytreo.net, to be exact) that reception on a Treo 650 is not as good as their previous phone or phones. Most of these seemed to be on either Verizon or TMobile. I was just wondering if anyone here has experienced a lower level of reception or signal with a Treo compared to other phones. I am looking at getting one later this year (might wait until the 700 gets to Sprint before buying the 650). The reception on my LG is excellent and I don't want to go backwards - or at least very little.

[bubbatex]

thanks all - I am not in any hurry, so I think I will wait until the 700x (whatever Sprint ends up getting) later this year.

[RaysDarts]

Just another vote for the 6700's good reception, I've had numerous Sprint phones over the years, and the 6700 drops far fewer call than any of the others. I'd lose a call 3 times on the same road, but not anymore. My 2 cents, of course. Others may have different experiences.

[eman]

Try reading next time. It will help keep you from looking so stupid. http://www.mobiletechreview.com/Sprint-PPC-6700.htm
Just to show you how much of an idiot you like to make yourself look like. That site gave the Treo 650 5 stars in Dec. 2004. Any Treo user knows that in 2004 without all the updates the Treo was faaaaaaaaar from perfect. So if you actually believe there reviews you are just as dumb as the person reviewing it. Now to try and make yourself look smart again and not like a lier. Can you please show me people who actually use the device that complain about its reception. Yeh, I didn't think so. Showing one persons review and stating there are many seems to be bending the truth quite a bit don't you think? The funny thing about the 6700's review on that page is I owned the 6600 for a while and my 6700 gets more bars and better reception the my 6600 did. So now you can post that you read a ton of threads that say the 6700 has better reception then the 6600.....

[tbakergobuck]

I had a few different Treo 650's and I experienced more than a few calls a week that went directly into voicemail. Most of the time it happened was when I was in my house which I never had the problem with reception. I get a occasional dropped call with my A900 but for the most part I get reception in places where I never had before. I've owned a lot of cell phones. I can even use my A900 in the elevator. Although I think the 9000 is the champ in reception but not by much. I will be trying the Treo 700 as soon as it's released so hopefully the reception is as good as the 9000.:fingers:

[NASCAR14FAN]

Keep in mind also your reception depends on you network. You you are on a craoppy network your reception could be affected. Someone on Cingular may not get as good as someone on Sprint or vice-a-versa in some areas

[bjork_rules]

Just to show you how much of an idiot you like to make yourself look like. That site gave the Treo 650 5 stars in Dec. 2004. Any Treo user knows that in 2004 without all the updates the Treo was faaaaaaaaar from perfect. So if you actually believe there reviews you are just as dumb as the person reviewing it. Now to try and make yourself look smart again and not like a lier. Can you please show me people who actually use the device that complain about its reception. Yeh, I didn't think so. Showing one persons review and stating there are many seems to be bending the truth quite a bit don't you think? The funny thing about the 6700's review on that page is I owned the 6600 for a while and my 6700 gets more bars and better reception the my 6600 did. So now you can post that you read a ton of threads that say the 6700 has better reception then the 6600.....
It's sad that you're stupid enough to think that bars actually mean something. Learn something.

[Malatesta]

It's sad that you're stupid enough to think that bars actually mean something. Learn something.

But that review (http://www.mobiletechreview.com/Sprint-PPC-6700.htm) you cite claiming the 6700 has poor reception says:

Reception isn't the PPC-6700's strong point. The phone gets 1/2 or 1 bar out of 4, compared to our other Sprint phones such as the Treo 650 and PPC-6601 which manage 2 bars in the same location.
:confused:

[eman]

But that review (http://www.mobiletechreview.com/Sprint-PPC-6700.htm) you cite claiming the 6700 has poor reception says:


:confused:
I am glad that other people see how stupid bjork_rules really is. I have no need to prove that to people who read your posts anyone anymore. You just proved it yourself. All I have to do is link this thread for anyone who actually believes anything you write. Well done!

[bjork_rules]

But that review (http://www.mobiletechreview.com/Sprint-PPC-6700.htm) you cite claiming the 6700 has poor reception says:


:confused:
Using FieldTrial.exe (a hidden file in the Windows directory that provides phone reception info) the device got -96dB with 1 bar reception, so it seems the bars are accurate.

Reading owns your moronic self. I'm not surprised that eman was stupid enough to believe you either.

[eman]

Reading owns your moronic self. I'm not surprised that eman was stupid enough to believe you either.
Let me show you why you are the stupidest person on sprintusers. And let me tell you that you make this extremely easy for me. You say I am dumb for thinking the bars actually mean something. Besides that post just being facecious on my part. But of course you are to dumb to see that. But this is what takes the cake. You are dumb enough to post the part of the review that claims the bars are accurate. Can someone really be this stupid and be dumb enough to call someone else stupid? I guess so. Bjork_rules, I think you should just give it up already because it is just getting sad seeing you attempt to show any intelligence. I am actually feeling sorry for you because it seems like you are beyond any help....
And just to prove my comments true, just read through this post.....
http://sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91994&page=1&pp=15

Enough said. I'm done with you because your hopeless. you can have the last word, don't care....blah,blah,blah,blah,blah

[Malatesta]

Reading owns your moronic self. I'm not surprised that eman was stupid enough to believe you either.
(ugh, did you actually just use "owns" after a gerund? And you critiqued eman's language skills..)
Using FieldTrial.exe (a hidden file in the Windows directory that provides phone reception info) the device got -96dB with 1 bar reception, so it seems the bars are accurate.
versus:
It's sad that you're stupid enough to think that bars actually mean something. Learn something.
The bars do mean something then? Because I think you're trying to have it both ways here.

Going back to your original claim of "poor reception" on the 6700 the same article you cite states:
That said, even with less than a full bar call quality didn't suffer greatly, nor did the phone drop calls. We got approx. 300 kbit/s on EVDO with 1/2 bar reception.
I'm just curious as to what this article that you cite as evidence actually proves? First you say it the 6700 gets poor reception. The article says that "the bars are lower" but "even at 1/2 bar it wasn't dropping calls and had 300kbit/s". Then you said "the bars mean nothing" and then authoritatively refer back to the article which says the bars do mean something.

It's somewhat of a circular argument.

[bjork_rules]

When did I say that the 6700 got bad reception? Either quote it, or STFU.

[Malatesta]

When did I say that the 6700 got bad reception? Either quote it, or STFU.
Done:
I've seen lots of reports of bad reception from the 6700...
Sure, you also say:
...but I've never had a problem with mine.
After eman asks for these "reports" you cite a review article to back up your claim that 6700 gets poor reception. So you do:

Try reading next time. It will help keep you from looking so stupid. http://www.mobiletechreview.com/Sprint-PPC-6700.htm

Which is funny, because you just said in a previous post:
It's tough to put much faith in reviews unless they tested the phone is your exact area and on the same network.
So you're just a walking contradiction. Bars don't matter, then they do. The 6700 gets poor reception, then you say it doesn't. It's tough to put "faith in reviews" on reception and then you do just that by posting a review. "I've seen lots of reports" and then you post only one. Pure awesome.

[bjork_rules]

Again, please quote where I said that the 6700 gets bad reception, or STFU. As Malatesta seems too stupid to read, I'll help her out: I've seen lots of reports of bad reception from the 6700, but I've never had a problem with mine. Again, I've never had any problems with the reception of my 6700.

[Malatesta]

Again, please quote where I said that the 6700 gets bad reception, or STFU. As Malatesta seems too stupid to read, I'll help her out: Again, I've never had any problems with the reception of my 6700.
No one said you had problems with the reception with your 6700. But you did post in this thread claiming:

I've seen lots of reports of bad reception from the 6700...
Which you have been unable to back up or support despite numerious posts which, as I've shown, have been quite contradictory (and you have not addressed).

Answer me this: What was the point of you stating that you "seen lots of reports of bad reception" and then arguing with eman for numerous posts on this topic? What was the point of all that?

You don't even believe those reports:
It's tough to put much faith in reviews unless they tested the phone is your exact area and on the same network.
So why did you post one? What was the point?

But you won't answer those questions.

So what's your deal? Do you think in general the 6700 gets poor reception or not? Not your personal experience, but as a phone in general. You have plenty of opinons about the phone: poor battery life, dull screen, poor resolution, etc. so what's your position on reception for the 6700? Is it good or bad?

Answer that as well as your contradictory posts...or STFU.

[bjork_rules]

So what's your deal? Do you think in general the 6700 gets poor reception or not? Not your personal experience, but as a phone in general. You have plenty of opinons about the phone: poor battery life, dull screen, poor resolution, etc. so what's your position on reception for the 6700? Is it good or bad?

Uh, learn to read.

[Malatesta]

Uh, learn to read.
Good answer. So bjork_rules says the 6700 gets good reception since he's never had a problem with his. Period, end of story.

The original post about "lots of reports of bad reception" was at most a total fabrication or at least a pointless claim of which he contradictorily tried to defend since he knew it wasn't true.

Shall I assume your motivation was just to unfairly criticize the 6700...again even if the facts didn't warrant it? And that you have an unhealthy hatred of this device and your "opinions" on it will always be biased?

I'll assume yes to both and maybe everyone else should too when they read your posts on this topic.

Glad we straightened that out.

[bubbatex]

BTW - if you missed it in the "6700 vs 650" thread (which would be easy to do), here's my reply to the whole issue:

To me, one of the best things I have learned in reading about both devices is (in my own words): If you primarily need a PHONE with PDA functionality = Treo. If you primarily want or need a replacement for your Laptop/PC = 6700

Me personally - I am going to wait for the 700"whatever" before I make a decision. I primarily want a good phone - and I personally don't feel comfortable with the sliding keyboard.

PERSONALLY - as in how I feel about it - not what other owners of the 6700 might feel about it.

This 6700 vs 650 is one hot issue!

[bjork_rules]

Good answer. So bjork_rules says the 6700 gets good reception since he's never had a problem with his. Period, end of story.


Duh. I guess that your having a single digit IQ was holding you back. Now you've finally gotten it.

I've always had good reception with my 6700 but have seen reports of it having bad reception. Whether there are lemon phone or differences in networks, I have no idea. I do know that MY 6700 gets good reception in MY area.

[Malatesta]

This 6700 vs 650 is one hot issue!
Unfortunately this is true. It shouldn't have to be though but there are die-hards on both sides who complicate that situation. I mean, in the end...we're talking about phones for chrissakes! ugh.

[bubbatex]

Malatesta - On another subject - since you have a 650, I would assume (and I did not go back and re-read your posts to confirm) that you would stay with the Palm OS. IE - you would probably upgrade to the 700p before going to the 700w. And this is probably the case with many 650 users. However, since I am a Windows user and I have never had a Treo, the move to the 700w would be easier for me - or at least I may be more satisfied cuz I am not losing functionality that many seem to like with the Palm OS. Are these fairly accurate assumptions? What I am getting to is - after reading some reviews comparing 700w and 650 - that if someone does not have the intimate experience with the 650, the 700w seems fine. I am thinking the 700w might fit my business use better (my friend went from a 600 to a 700w and is loving it).

[Malatesta]

Malatesta - On another subject - since you have a 650, I would assume (and I did not go back and re-read your posts to confirm) that you would stay with the Palm OS. IE - you would probably upgrade to the 700p before going to the 700w. And this is probably the case with many 650 users. However, since I am a Windows user and I have never had a Treo, the move to the 700w would be easier for me - or at least I may be more satisfied cuz I am not losing functionality that many seem to like with the Palm OS. Are these fairly accurate assumptions? What I am getting to is - after reading some reviews comparing 700w and 650 - that if someone does not have the intimate experience with the 650, the 700w seems fine. I am thinking the 700w might fit my business use better (my friend went from a 600 to a 700w and is loving it).
That's a tough one as I would not consider myself a normal user. Here's my history: I owned two pocket PCs starting in 2002 (both Axims) so I was quite familiar with the OS and was actually quite happy with the devices. I then got a 6700 which I used for awhile (and still own, though I will sell it when I get a chance). For the heck of it I went to the 650 in October. This was my first Palm device and I'm grown quite accustomed to it.

Now, for your situation I think the 700W would make a fine device for a business as in a lot of ways, that's what the 700w is being marketed for. I think it is very safe to assume that most 650 users would never go to a WM device for various reasons. I have no problem with switching though and if the W was out today I would surely consider it (the form factor is nice and the tweaks Palm did to the OS help out a lot).

In other words, I think you're correct in saying if you have never used a Palm device then it is fairly easy and inuitive to go with a WM OS. Likewise, if you have used a WM device, going to a Palm is a breeze. A similar argument could be made with PCs and Macs--it's easier to go one way but not the other.

Now I also think it's safe to say this will be the LAST Palm OS Treo phone you'll ever see (the 650 and 700P) and you won't see a replacement (ALP--linux) till late 2007 early 2008 (LINK (http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/8422/maces-thoughts-on-the-alp-announcement/) ) which is also something to consider as far as future support and development.

I hope this answers a bit of what you're trying to get at...if not let me know I can explain or clarify further.

[bubbatex]

Thanks - great info. I am gathering information and learning. I want to make an intelligent decision for my purposes - not what others think! And from what I have read, I believe you are right about the Palm OS. That was one of the factors I was a little worried about. However, regardless of its current shortcomings, WM is going to be here and is going to improve. Though my opinion is changing as I go, waiting on the W seems to be my current path.

[Malatesta]

No problem. I'm sure whatever device you end getting it'll work out quite well. Taking your time and reading is your best bet though and from what I hear some great phones are coming down the line...

[bjork_rules]

Thanks - great info. I am gathering information and learning. I want to make an intelligent decision for my purposes - not what others think! And from what I have read, I believe you are right about the Palm OS. That was one of the factors I was a little worried about. However, regardless of its current shortcomings, WM is going to be here and is going to improve. Though my opinion is changing as I go, waiting on the W seems to be my current path.
Have you checked out the 700w on Verizon? I'm not suggesting switching networks, but you can always try one in the store. The Sprint version will likely be very similar except that the Sprint version should have the WM5 update by the time it's released.

[ThaDC511]

My 650 gets much better reception than the A920 that I returned, I don't know why. It holds a signal better and it can actually function with just one bar, while the A920 was useless.

I also had an 8100, which the 650 is better than (after getting volumecare). I can't explain the logic, but my 920 dropped calls like CRAZY compared to my 650.

[thablkpanda]

My 650 gets better reception than any of my other previous cells. Around my house, my girlfriend has a A900, and I've got the Treo 650, (previously I had a Samsung I330 (crap)) and she used to have much better reception than me (bars notwithstanding) she could always be heard by our landline callers better than I, until I got my 650. Even with my bluetooth headset, I still hear and can be heard better by landline callers better than her. And if you talk about bars, I've got a 3, (used to be 1 with the I330) and she's got 1-2.

We've always had bad sprint reception around the house though, when we had Nextels, we had awesome bar reception though.

-Chris