10+ SAMSUNG Slim Devices

[tuolumne]

Monday, 05 September 2005- Telecoms Korea: In America, Samsung Electronics and Motorola are expected to engage in tough competition in slim phone market. Built on its success in Korea with RAZR, Motorola plans to introduce CDMA version of the handset in the latter half and Verizon Wireless is allegedly testing it.

Samsung prepares to continue competition over slim phone with Motorola in the US. V740 is ready to be released in the US market through Sprint PCS. It would be interesting to see whether Samsung can narrow the gap with Motorola in the US.

Samsung will increase the number of slim phone models, CJ Investment Securities reported Monday. According to the report, Samsung is developing about ten slim phone models ranging from high-end to low-end with bar, folder and slide form factors.

http://www.telecomskorea.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=2611&Itemid=2

[jschu22]

With all this "slim" talk somethings being left out. Im sure there must be customers out there that would actually like to ADD mass to their pants?

[VibrantRedGT]

I had a friend who switched to Cingliar just for the RAZR. What a pile of garbage. It's flimsy, fragile and totally not worth it. He's wishing he didn't leave for a phone. Slim phones are junk. They will only make Lockline richer.

[Moogle]

I had a friend who switched to Cingliar just for the RAZR. What a pile of garbage. It's flimsy, fragile and totally not worth it. He's wishing he didn't leave for a phone. Slim phones are junk. They will only make Lockline richer.

Wouldn't that make lock/line poorer?

[VibrantRedGT]

Wouldn't that make lock/line poorer?

Buy the phone from Sprint or Affiliate. Doesn't Lockline collect $50 on each transaction? They send out refurbs in return (fixed up units). Are they publicy traded?

[tuolumne]

I had a friend who switched to Cingliar just for the RAZR. What a pile of garbage. It's flimsy, fragile and totally not worth it. He's wishing he didn't leave for a phone. Slim phones are junk. They will only make Lockline richer.

Cry me a river.

You have no idea how much the RAZR has helped Motorolas bottom line... :rolleyes:

[bluecoyote]

I had a friend who switched to Cingliar just for the RAZR. What a pile of garbage. It's flimsy, fragile and totally not worth it. He's wishing he didn't leave for a phone. Slim phones are junk. They will only make Lockline richer.


The hinge on the RAZR is over four times as strong as the hinge on your Sanyo.

The RAZR's backlash is 1/3rd of your Sanyo

The RAZR is made out of metal. Your Sanyo is made out of plastic.

Having owned the RAZR, this is probably one of the best GSM non-smartphones out there.

[Tigrrre]

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yes but gsm sucks. ;)

[mcurtiss1970]

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yes but gsm sucks. ;)

way to keep the debate on an intelligent level. go you!

[VibrantRedGT]

Cry me a river.

You have no idea how much the RAZR has helped Motorolas bottom line... :rolleyes:


I'm sure it has. Marketing it death didn't hurt (just saw the black RAZR commercial during the Hurricane/Seminole game). The real bottom line is that they are garbage. I'll take pics of my friends beat down RAZR for further proof. It's a good concept but so was stone washed jeans. Like those and thin phones, it's just a fad.

[Moogle]

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yes but gsm sucks. ;)


I agree... I don't like the voice quality and I don't like the coverage offered by either T-Mobile or Cingular.

In Phoenix the Cingular coverage is just the old crappy AT&T Network... they've made a few improvements, but not enough.

[bluecoyote]

I agree... I don't like the voice quality and I don't like the coverage offered by either T-Mobile or Cingular.

In Phoenix the Cingular coverage is just the old crappy AT&T Network... they've made a few improvements, but not enough.


My GSM Nokia 3650 has better voice quality than your CDMA 8200 by almost any conceivable standard.

See folks, think before you type.

[mcurtiss1970]

yeah, sometimes it's not about the tech, but it's about the quality of the phone.

[Tigrrre]

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I agree... I don't like the voice quality and I don't like the coverage offered by either T-Mobile or Cingular.

In Phoenix the Cingular coverage is just the old crappy AT&T Network... they've made a few improvements, but not enough.


My GSM Nokia 3650 has better voice quality than your CDMA 8200 by almost any conceivable standard.

See folks, think before you type.

but you have to seem edit it to use the full rate AMR codec for it to sound any good. the half rate codec is all garble, all the time :)

[MsRandall]

My best friend got the Razr day one and he loves it to this very day...so much so he has a black one too. He switches between them...lol

[shredsnow17]

everyone's entitled to their own opinions. some people love the razr, some people hate it. some people prefer gsm, some cdma....that's why there's more than one phone manufacturer and more than one carrier. why do people continue to senselessly argue about the razr???

[SPCSTSR326]

It's fun to argue about this stuff. Especially since there is no answer...there are tons of preferences, but no truly right answer. What works well for someone may not work well for others. I think the RAZR is junk. My friend Todd loves it. Simple enough. I like the idea, but in this case the actual product is trash. There will be better versions later, when all the bugs are worked out.

[tuolumne]

Looks at threat title and wonder where it says Razr....:rolleyes:

[Moogle]

My GSM Nokia 3650 has better voice quality than your CDMA 8200 by almost any conceivable standard.

See folks, think before you type.

That's subjective.

Additionally, as mentioned, the phone plays a very big role in determining the audio quality.

You'd have to use *identical* phones (except for the CDMA v. GSM bit) to really have a baseline to determine call quality difference.

However, in my experience whenever I use a GSM phone there is this weird background static... CDMA doesn't have that.

[psychojoe3354]

I cant wait to see more Samsung thin phones, that BLADE looks sexy, even more so with the new keypad. Can't wait to own one :) Hopefully Samsung releases a thin a800 variant.

btw GSM and RAZR are the worst pieces of trash, they should be thrown away.
(everyone is entitled to their own opinion)

[tuolumne]

hmm...that would be hot.

[MacPCS]

well at least Cingular customers have the OPTION of getting a RAZR, something we are not fortunate enough to have. now, if we could get that V3c that's been the talk of the tech sector recently, THAT would be sweet. the best parts of the V3x and the best part of the V3, all combined to make one sweet-ass phone.

bluetooth
brighter keypad backlight than the V3
1.3 megapixel camera
better external LCD than the V3
EV-DO instead of GSM
still thin as hell
metal
teh über-sexy.

you just can't beat that on a non-smartphone.

[tuolumne]

Yeah, that's basically the Samsung V740.

[hotnspicychic03]

That's subjective.

Additionally, as mentioned, the phone plays a very big role in determining the audio quality.

You'd have to use *identical* phones (except for the CDMA v. GSM bit) to really have a baseline to determine call quality difference.

However, in my experience whenever I use a GSM phone there is this weird background static... CDMA doesn't have that.

I agree with your post 100%....the "GSM Buzz" can be annoying at times, but at least ya know when a call comes through sometimes...

[gla17624]

the thing that sucks about the razr is that it retails for $350 (was $500 a few months ago), but it doesn't have any of the features that you would get with sprint phones at that price point (like the 535). i mean, the razr is not multimedia capable. you can't stream music through your phone with it. you can watch mobitv, but nothing faster than that. it doesn't have any capability to watch the movies on your phone at 15 frames per second. it doesn't have a minisd slot or any other kind of memory card function, so even if it had the ability to watch movies, you still couldn't do it, because there's no memory card. it seems like to me like it has alot of good cosmetic features (made of aluminum and it's thin) , but when you get down to it, other than it's cosmetic features, it's just a glorified video phone having a better screen, a 1.3 mp camera, and bluetooth. if you compare this phone to the high end phones of cingular a year ago, there aren't alot of features that you're gaining with the razr (other than looks) that other phones from cingular haven't had. in my opinion, the sprint phones have many more features and are capable of much more than they were a year ago.

[Ovaltine224]

the thing that sucks about the razr is that it retails for $350 (was $500 a few months ago), but it doesn't have any of the features that you would get with sprint phones at that price point (like the 535). i mean, the razr is not multimedia capable. you can't stream music through your phone with it. you can watch mobitv, but nothing faster than that. it doesn't have any capability to watch the movies on your phone at 15 frames per second. it doesn't have a minisd slot or any other kind of memory card function, so even if it had the ability to watch movies, you still couldn't do it, because there's no memory card. it seems like to me like it has alot of good cosmetic features (made of aluminum and it's thin) , but when you get down to it, other than it's cosmetic features, it's just a glorified video phone having a better screen, a 1.3 mp camera, and bluetooth. if you compare this phone to the high end phones of cingular a year ago, there aren't alot of features that you're gaining with the razr (other than looks) that other phones from cingular haven't had. in my opinion, the sprint phones have many more features and are capable of much more than they were a year ago.

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[Doomgoggles]

However, in my experience whenever I use a GSM phone there is this weird background static... CDMA doesn't have that.

That's an intentional part of the codec. It's supposed to reassure people that the connection has not dropped (as happens so often with GSM :lol: )
CDMA2000 codecs don't have the 'hiss' so they can save bandwidth.

ONTOPIC: I seriously can't wait for a Samsung ultrathin WM5 phone. That would be teh r0x0rz. Oh well. maybe in 3 years...

Also: The RAZR is made out of aluminum. This makes it much less shock-resistant. It may prevent cracks in the case, but it can cause much more internal damage than a simliar drop with your average plastic phone. The best material for phone cases is actually rubber, although it's not that stylish. Be that as it may, I'd like to see a phone made out of a REAL metal, like Tungston or Titanium. :)

[bluecoyote]

the thing that sucks about the razr is that it retails for $350 (was $500 a few months ago), but it doesn't have any of the features that you would get with sprint phones at that price point (like the 535). i mean, the razr is not multimedia capable. you can't stream music through your phone with it. you can watch mobitv, but nothing faster than that. it doesn't have any capability to watch the movies on your phone at 15 frames per second. it doesn't have a minisd slot or any other kind of memory card function, so even if it had the ability to watch movies, you still couldn't do it, because there's no memory card. it seems like to me like it has alot of good cosmetic features (made of aluminum and it's thin) , but when you get down to it, other than it's cosmetic features, it's just a glorified video phone having a better screen, a 1.3 mp camera, and bluetooth. if you compare this phone to the high end phones of cingular a year ago, there aren't alot of features that you're gaining with the razr (other than looks) that other phones from cingular haven't had. in my opinion, the sprint phones have many more features and are capable of much more than they were a year ago.

At the time it came out, the highest Sprint phone was the MM7400. If the RAZR in its current state was to come to Sprint, it would be the ONLY phone we have with Bluetooth that is fully functional before you get into PDA territory. It'd also be the only phone that wouldn't be made out of cheap plastic. While everyone has their own priorities (and if it would come to Sprint it would most likely be a MM phone) , I'd trade a miniSD slot for fully functional Bluetooth any day of the week.

[tuolumne]

The A920/940/960/V740 will all have Fully functoning Bluetooth 1.2.

[mcurtiss1970]

The A920/940/960/V740 will all have Fully functoning Bluetooth 1.2.

the sprint version?

[Matt]

the thing that sucks about the razr is that it retails for $350 (was $500 a few months ago), but it doesn't have any of the features that you would get with sprint phones at that price point (like the 535). i mean, the razr is not multimedia capable. you can't stream music through your phone with it. you can watch mobitv, but nothing faster than that. it doesn't have any capability to watch the movies on your phone at 15 frames per second. it doesn't have a minisd slot or any other kind of memory card function, so even if it had the ability to watch movies, you still couldn't do it, because there's no memory card. it seems like to me like it has alot of good cosmetic features (made of aluminum and it's thin) , but when you get down to it, other than it's cosmetic features, it's just a glorified video phone having a better screen, a 1.3 mp camera, and bluetooth. if you compare this phone to the high end phones of cingular a year ago, there aren't alot of features that you're gaining with the razr (other than looks) that other phones from cingular haven't had. in my opinion, the sprint phones have many more features and are capable of much more than they were a year ago.

2 points. The Cingular RAZR is not a video phone, and it's not a MP camera.

[Jordan]

I love how they innovate... Take other ideas! Good job Samsung!

[tuolumne]

Every model with have every Bluetooth profile enabled.

#777 over EV-DO will be automatically sensed by the phone and ask you to add an addon to your account...;)

[mcurtiss1970]

i dunno...somehow i just don't believe that.

[tuolumne]

Ok, you'll see.

[gla17624]

Motorola RAZR V3 Features:
Quad band world phone (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)

Bluetooth® wireless technology

Camera w/ 4x digital zoom

Video camera

Speakerphone

Voice-activated functions

Voice recorder

Instant messaging: AOL® Instant Messenger™ built in

Phone book

External caller ID
MegaTones®, Wallpaper, HiFi Ringers™, & Games

Web browser

Full-color screen

Alarm clock

Calculator

Vibrating alert

Calendar

T-Mobile Internet ready (GPRS)

Games

i was right about the video camera, but i didn't reallize that it didn't have a mp camera. that just shows even more how people are paying for less with the razr


2 points. The Cingular RAZR is not a video phone, and it's not a MP camera.

[CoreyTheGent]

I love how they innovate... Take other ideas! Good job Samsung!In all fairness, this is technically innovation on Samsung's behalf.

There is no more "Razr rip-off." Motorola has rejuvenated the thin phone segment entirely and we will see many, many more of these types of handsets. The Razr's iconic status and the fact that it's currently alone are the only reasons why people claim that every thin handset is direct competition for it. Same reason why everyone looks for an "iPod killer" and not a "Zen killer."

Samsung may not be innovative when it comes to the design and idea itself, but they were the quickest ones to jump on the bandwagon and offer more of these handsets. They're being innovative in the sense that they're opening the door and taking the majority of risks as the first to copycat what has become Motorola's "thing." Now when Nokia, LG, and every other manufacturer attempts the same (and they're already about to), Samsung will have made the path much more smooth.

See, it took balls for Motorola to walk the plank with the Razr. No matter how successful these next handsets are, nobody will have taken as much risk as Motorola. While the sharks didn't get them and they made it just fine, it also takes balls for Samsung to come walking out right behind Moto. Everybody else that comes afterward will be more confident if and when Samsung makes it across successfully.

[tuolumne]

Excellently composed and executed Corey.

Well done.

[gla17624]

even if the 7400 was the highest model out when the razr first came out, the razr still today has a high retail of $350 dollars . for that price there are alot of multimedia phones you can get that DO HAVE alot more features. also, you can't say "if it would come to Sprint it would most likely be a MM phone," because we're talking about the razr as it currently is for cingular and tmobile: no multimedia, no MP camera, no memory card slot, thin (but very long and very wide :clap: ), and working bluetooth (and we all know that it really doesn't set itself apart with bluetooth-it's just that there are not many that sprint allows on their network. lol).

At the time it came out, the highest Sprint phone was the MM7400. If the RAZR in its current state was to come to Sprint, it would be the ONLY phone we have with Bluetooth that is fully functional before you get into PDA territory. It'd also be the only phone that wouldn't be made out of cheap plastic. While everyone has their own priorities (and if it would come to Sprint it would most likely be a MM phone) , I'd trade a miniSD slot for fully functional Bluetooth any day of the week.

[CoreyTheGent]

even if the 7400 was the highest model out when the razr first came out, the razr still today has a high retail of $350 dollars . for that price there are alot of multimedia phones you can get that DO HAVE alot more features.For the price of a Ferrari, you can also get the family a fleet of Chevy SUVs with navigational systems and other features the Italian sports car doesn't possess. What's your point? The millions of people whom purchased the Razr didn't do so because they're morons with no idea that there are other, more feature-filled handsets out there, they wanted a Motorola Razr V3. It is still that exclusively thin phone that's very attractive and fits into your pocket like nothing. It is still widely advertised and in very high demand.

You're thinking with the philosophy that a phone's worth is strictly dictated by its feature package, but the Razr V3 is a completely different ballgame. Once the thin phone segment fills out and involves more competition, then the Razr will need to have that 1.3 mp camera and 3G technology. But right now it is the only handset in its class and with that exclusivity and consistent demand comes a higher pricetag.

[gusto]

i just want another slim candy bar phone.

i hope we get the slvr.

shoot im still using the 6400

[tuolumne]

then the Razr will need to have that 1.3 mp camera and 3G technology. But right now it is the only handset in its class and with that exclusivity and consistent demand comes a higher pricetag.

That's where the V3c comes in

[bluecoyote]

Oh man, the RAZR black is HOT. HothotHOT.

[tuolumne]

I think the V740 in black is hot....SEXY SEXY SEXY