Verizon Already Testing EV-DO Rev. A

[CoreyTheGent]

Verizon Tests EV-DO Rev. A, More Tests To Come

Date Posted: Yesterday, 1:49 PM
Source: Verizon Wireless

Verizon today announced they completed preliminary tests of voice, video and data calls on EV-DO Rev. A equipment. The company plans to do further testing in early 2006 including Voice over IP (VoIP) calls and applications that use simultaneous voice, video and data transfer. Verizon is conducting the tests using Lucent equipment, which will be ready for deployment once Verizon is satisfied and wants to upgrade their network. EV-DO Revision A is the next step in high-speed wireless data. Not only does it provide faster data transfers (up to 3 Mbps download), it also allows for advanced call features like Push To Talk, VoIP calls and video calls.

Phonescoop.com (http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1336)

Verizon Wireless (http://news.vzw.com/news/2005/08/pr2005-08-18.html)

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Jeez, I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon starts upgrading before Sprint even launches EV-DO.

[will_z32]

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Any news about sprint evdo

[CoreyTheGent]

[Final Impact] posted a new list of dates for upcoming phones:

http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73399

The 9000 and a940, both EV-DO handsets, are scheduled for an October release date. So I'd say Sprint must be currently planning to launch EV-DO between September and November.

[CDMAisGOD]

Verizon Tests EV-DO Rev. A, More Tests To Come

Date Posted: Yesterday, 1:49 PM
Source: Verizon Wireless

Verizon today announced they completed preliminary tests of voice, video and data calls on EV-DO Rev. A equipment. The company plans to do further testing in early 2006 including Voice over IP (VoIP) calls and applications that use simultaneous voice, video and data transfer. Verizon is conducting the tests using Lucent equipment, which will be ready for deployment once Verizon is satisfied and wants to upgrade their network. EV-DO Revision A is the next step in high-speed wireless data. Not only does it provide faster data transfers (up to 3 Mbps download), it also allows for advanced call features like Push To Talk, VoIP calls and video calls.

Phonescoop.com (http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1336)

Verizon Wireless (http://news.vzw.com/news/2005/08/pr2005-08-18.html)

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Jeez, I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon starts upgrading before Sprint even launches EV-DO.

Yeah, so is Sprint. They are testing that along with WiMax, Flash OFDM, UMTS, ect.
Sprint is building network towers faster then any other carrier. Their EVDO is already pretty wide spread seeing as they just started building it out.

Anything Verizon can do, Sprint can do better!

[upp3r 3ch3lon]

Yeah, so is Sprint. They are testing that along with WiMax, Flash OFDM, UMTS, ect.
Sprint is building network towers faster then any other carrier. Their EVDO is already pretty wide spread seeing as they just started building it out.

Anything Verizon can do, Sprint can do better!

i thought UMTS was a GSM protocol. can anyone tell me if i am wrong? on second thought i probably am...

how many ev-do handsets does vzw have?

[FloorMatt]

UMTS is not related to our CDMA network...

Lemme see........VZW has had at least 7 total EV-DO handsets.

[the2ndflood]

UMTS is not related to our CDMA network...

Lemme see........VZW has had at least 7 total EV-DO handsets.

I was told by a Sprint rep that the EVDO phones were coming out within the next few months. Does anyone know if this is true?

Russell

[Clash]

Yup, see CoreyTheGent's post above... Should be this October for the a940 and 9000 for the Ev-DO handsets. (I personally cannot wait!)

[CDMAisGOD]

UMTS is not related to our CDMA network...

Lemme see........VZW has had at least 7 total EV-DO handsets.


Sprint has been testing UMTS with their partner Nextel. Sprint works closely with QUALCOMM to maximize the performance of their network technology by evaluating other, competing formats.
And Sprint is bringing to market EV-DO phones very soon. They wanted to make sure their EV-DO was built out enough for customers to get the most use out of the new network (Unlike Verizon who rushed to the market with their phones, before the network was fully ready for use).
Plus they wanted to secure the right manufactures contracts, to make sure we would not have to pay to much for our phones.

So I would rather wait a little longer for the new phones. Sprint wants to make sure everyone is happy, instead of being the first. Makes sense to me!

[CoreyTheGent]

....(Unlike Verizon who rushed to the market with their phones, before the network was fully ready for use)...Verizon didn't rush anything. They were a year ahead of Sprint to begin with. Just because EV-DO isn't covering 100% of their network doesn't mean it shouldn't have been launched. It is up to the consumer to decide whether or not they want to make use of the service, nobody was forced to pay extra for VCAST. There was no hidden message that you may not get an EV signal everywhere, it was made quite clear with coverage maps, special features on Verizon's website (such as location by zipcode) and word-of-mouth by VZW representatives should you inquire about it. People in metropolitan areas were simply able to take advantage of a good thing and now I even get a strong EV signal deep in rural Pennsylvania.

Hell, even if Verizon did rush it, the publicity from the world knowing that Sprint was years behind them was well worth it. I guaran-damn-tee that part of the reason Verizon posts such impressive numbers is because of their now-monopoly on wireless high-speed data services.

[the2ndflood]

Who said Sprint was years behind Verizon Wireless? Both Sprint and Vertizon launched EV-DO before most others in the world. I don't think it matters who did it first, because I imagin there might be a EV-DO roaming agreement between the two. I can't wait to use Sprint's EV-DO network. And once they make it cheaper, I will use them for my home access.

Russell

[CDMAisGOD]

Verizon didn't rush anything. They were a year ahead of Sprint to begin with. Just because EV-DO isn't covering 100% of their network doesn't mean it shouldn't have been launched. It is up to the consumer to decide whether or not they want to make use of the service, nobody was forced to pay extra for VCAST. There was no hidden message that you may not get an EV signal everywhere, it was made quite clear with coverage maps, special features on Verizon's website (such as location by zipcode) and word-of-mouth by VZW representatives should you inquire about it. People in metropolitan areas were simply able to take advantage of a good thing and now I even get a strong EV signal deep in rural Pennsylvania.

Hell, even if Verizon did rush it, the publicity from the world knowing that Sprint was years behind them was well worth it. I guaran-damn-tee that part of the reason Verizon posts such impressive numbers is because of their now-monopoly on wireless high-speed data services.


You can believe what you want and consider what I am saying as just my opinion, but let's look at the two facts of Sprint's EV-DO network. One, Sprint's network as been tested by independent researches and Sprint's is faster then Verizon's. Two, the Same research found that Sprint's EV-DO network is more dependable. Those are facts, read through this forum, and also do a Google search and read those facts. Also another fact to consider is that Sprint PCS has been building more network towers in the last few years then ANY other carrier. So let's see where Verizon stands in a few years.

Also, Sprint Nextel now has 44 millions customers, just a few million away from Verizon. So in order for Verizon to get the numbers that they have, they had to merge MANY wireless companies. Sprint only had to merger two. So Sprint must be doing something right in order to grow like they have, without the help of larger, backing Telco companies.

The stat's don't lie.

[the2ndflood]

But one other thing many people don't understand. Sprint PCS is a genius when it comes to their Visions web access. The charge less then most carriers for the Unlimited high speed access ($10 and $15, the $15 access gives users a $10 credit each month). They do not deduct from your minutes, or put restrictions on data usage. They also allow their customers to use their Smart-Devices with their basic visions plans.
This makes their customers buy high-End, PDA, and Smart phones. This also causes them to feel more comfortable with buying content. That is why Sprint has a higher revenue per user, and leads when it comes to cell phone web access. I see so many people in this forum using Treo's, Samsung Smart-Phones, Audiovox PPC, ect. That is something the other carriers have not been able to achieve. Sprint knows what they are doing if you just think about it for a moment.
So once Sprint has their EV-DO more available, they will think of another innovative way to get their customers on board.

That is just what I think.
Russell

[jaytv]

I can confirm that Sprint has been testing Rev. A and some other things I can't discuss for awhile...

Perhaps we know about Verizon testing Rev. A...because Verizon alerts the media when they have a bowel movement, like little potty-training toddlers. Publicity whores is what they are.

I am looking forward to this discussion this time next year, when the real trouble Verizon is in will become very apparent.

Can't say why...that is work product. Let's put it this way, the Nextel merger will open some doors Verizon is going to wish they had stepped through, and then alerted the media about...

[tuolumne]

I am looking forward to this discussion this time next year, when the real trouble Verizon is in will become very apparent.

Elaborate...

[the2ndflood]

I can confirm that Sprint has been testing Rev. A and some other things I can't discuss for awhile...

Perhaps we know about Verizon testing Rev. A...because Verizon alerts the media when they have a bowel movement, like little potty-training toddlers. Publicity whores is what they are.

I am looking forward to this discussion this time next year, when the real trouble Verizon is in will become very apparent.

Can't say why...that is work product. Let's put it this way, the Nextel merger will open some doors Verizon is going to wish they had stepped through, and then alerted the media about...


Sounds great to me! Look forward to hearing about it.

Russell

[upp3r 3ch3lon]

I can confirm that Sprint has been testing Rev. A and some other things I can't discuss for awhile...

Perhaps we know about Verizon testing Rev. A...because Verizon alerts the media when they have a bowel movement, like little potty-training toddlers. Publicity whores is what they are.

I am looking forward to this discussion this time next year, when the real trouble Verizon is in will become very apparent.

Can't say why...that is work product. Let's put it this way, the Nextel merger will open some doors Verizon is going to wish they had stepped through, and then alerted the media about...

what trouble? i wanna know?

heres an analogy:
vzw is like ps2 and sprint like xbox. one came out before the other, but the one that came out after was a more complete experience. sure they have ev-do first and a larger selection of evdo phones, but im sure by the end of this year, sprint will be looking just as good if not better. just think about it, when it was first announced the ps2 was supposed to have a hard drive and built in modem. but sony rushed it in to production so they could capitalize on the holiday season. so the modem and hard drive and to be add ons (poorly made ones at that). but the xbox came out 2 years later and had all of those as well as 4 standard controller ports and an extremely well planned online gaming service/community. have you ever played a ps2 game online? i submit that if you play that same game on xbox live, you will have a richer, more entertaining experience. (this happened to me by the way)

if this is any indication of what sprint has in store, i for one think its worth the wait.

[the2ndflood]

what trouble? i wanna know?

heres an analogy:
vzw is like ps2 and sprint like xbox. one came out before the other, but the one that came out after was a more complete experience. sure they have ev-do first and a larger selection of evdo phones, but im sure by the end of this year, sprint will be looking just as good if not better. just think about it, when it was first announced the ps2 was supposed to have a hard drive and built in modem. but sony rushed it in to production so they could capitalize on the holiday season. so the modem and hard drive and to be add ons (poorly made ones at that). but the xbox came out 2 years later and had all of those as well as 4 standard controller ports and an extremely well planned online gaming service/community. have you ever played a ps2 game online? i submit that if you play that same game on xbox live, you will have a richer, more entertaining experience. (this happened to me by the way)

if this is any indication of what sprint has in store, i for one think its worth the wait.

I fully agree with your statement. That is a great comparison! The PS2 was rushed and did lack many things the XBox now has. And the new XBox still has more advantages over the PS3. So even though Verizon was first, Sprint still has had more time to get it all working correctly. I can't wait to see what Sprint will do next!

Russell

[danny.boi]

You can believe what you want and consider what I am saying as just my opinion, but let's look at the two facts of Sprint's EV-DO network. One, Sprint's network as been tested by independent researches and Sprint's is faster then Verizon's. Two, the Same research found that Sprint's EV-DO network is more dependable. Those are facts, read through this forum, and also do a Google search and read those facts. Also another fact to consider is that Sprint PCS has been building more network towers in the last few years then ANY other carrier. So let's see where Verizon stands in a few years.

Also, Sprint Nextel now has 44 millions customers, just a few million away from Verizon. So in order for Verizon to get the numbers that they have, they had to merge MANY wireless companies. Sprint only had to merger two. So Sprint must be doing something right in order to grow like they have, without the help of larger, backing Telco companies.

The stat's don't lie.


Since when do independent research studies end up being hard fact?

That's like reading an article from GSM World then come here and tell us why GSM is better than CDMA. Online articles can be so bias sometimes.

Sprint's EVDO more dependable? LMAO. You really couldn't prove it any other way. If I were to ask you your opinion on Sprint's EVDO, I assume you'll always say it's better even if it wasn't. Am I right?

Do you use or have you used both Sprint's EVDO and Verizon's EVDO to compare?

EVDO downlink and uplink speeds depend on several factors including proximity to a cell site and network conjestion. Sprint hasn't even launched it in large scale to truly compare.

PCS operators always have to build more towers than cellular companies.

VZW didn't merge to create 47+ million customers. They merged long ago with a company with less than half of the customers they have now.

Read your posts and ask yourself how you might come across to someone who really knows something about our industry?

[danny.boi]

what trouble? i wanna know?

heres an analogy:
vzw is like ps2 and sprint like xbox. one came out before the other, but the one that came out after was a more complete experience. sure they have ev-do first and a larger selection of evdo phones, but im sure by the end of this year, sprint will be looking just as good if not better. just think about it, when it was first announced the ps2 was supposed to have a hard drive and built in modem. but sony rushed it in to production so they could capitalize on the holiday season. so the modem and hard drive and to be add ons (poorly made ones at that). but the xbox came out 2 years later and had all of those as well as 4 standard controller ports and an extremely well planned online gaming service/community. have you ever played a ps2 game online? i submit that if you play that same game on xbox live, you will have a richer, more entertaining experience. (this happened to me by the way)

if this is any indication of what sprint has in store, i for one think its worth the wait.

Nice analogy, but in all fairness ps2 and xbox have no bearing on the CDMA market.

Everyone on this board swore Sprint was going to push out EVDO first nationwide because they were "better.."

Now everyone says they'll launch it later because they are "better.."

Which is it.

What is technically different between the two versions of EVDO that Sprint and VZW use.

[danny.boi]

But one other thing many people don't understand. Sprint PCS is a genius when it comes to their Visions web access. The charge less then most carriers for the Unlimited high speed access ($10 and $15, the $15 access gives users a $10 credit each month). They do not deduct from your minutes, or put restrictions on data usage. They also allow their customers to use their Smart-Devices with their basic visions plans.
This makes their customers buy high-End, PDA, and Smart phones. This also causes them to feel more comfortable with buying content. That is why Sprint has a higher revenue per user, and leads when it comes to cell phone web access. I see so many people in this forum using Treo's, Samsung Smart-Phones, Audiovox PPC, ect. That is something the other carriers have not been able to achieve. Sprint knows what they are doing if you just think about it for a moment.
So once Sprint has their EV-DO more available, they will think of another innovative way to get their customers on board.

That is just what I think.
Russell


The larger the carrier gets, you'll most likely see a decline in the ARPU (average revenue per user) since a larger base will have access to Free Mobile to Mobile (which equals more family plans) and will cut out extras like paying more for early nights etc.

[danny.boi]

They wanted to make sure their EV-DO was built out enough for customers to get the most use out of the new network (Unlike Verizon who rushed to the market with their phones, before the network was fully ready for use).
Plus they wanted to secure the right manufactures contracts, to make sure we would not have to pay to much for our phones.

Sprint wants to make sure everyone is happy, instead of being the first. Makes sense to me!


Whoever told you that needs to be slapped. LOL. :rolleyes:

[tuolumne]

VZW has EV-DO up in the Bay Area now:)

http://tinypic.com/6fo7rd.jpg

*nudge*Sprint...come on!

[danny.boi]

VZW has EV-DO up in the Bay Area now:)

http://tinypic.com/6fo7rd.jpg

*nudge*Sprint...come on!


Does it work okay up there? I know the Bay area is a very crowded market and VZW beefed up their spectrum to accomodate EVDO.

EVDO works good down here in coastal Southern California but of course I'm sure it'll slow down if too many users decide to try it out.

[the2ndflood]

Sprint's EVDO more dependable? LMAO. You really couldn't prove it any other way. If I were to ask you your opinion on Sprint's EVDO, I assume you'll always say it's better even if it wasn't. Am I right?

Do you use or have you used both Sprint's EVDO and Verizon's EVDO to compare?




Sprint EV-DO data network is faster and more dependable. Countless articles have stated this. Sprint's EV-DO towers are closer together then Verizon's, and that gives Sprint faster, more dependable speeds. Read the stats on EV-DO, speeds lower with distance. Sprint uses 1900Mhz, Verizon 800Mhz.That is two facts. Sprint has always lead in the data department over Verizon because of their network setup. why do you think so many more people, companies, and the government use Sprint's data network over Verizon's?

Do a search and read the articles.

Russell

[triggarhappy]

Sprint EV-DO data network is faster and more dependable. Countless articles have stated this. Sprint's EV-DO towers are closer together then Verizon's, and that gives Sprint faster, more dependable speeds. Read the stats on EV-DO, speeds lower with distance. Sprint uses 1900Mhz, Verizon 800Mhz.That is two facts. Sprint has always lead in the data department over Verizon because of their network setup. why do you think so many more people, companies, and the government use Sprint's data network over Verizon's?

Do a search and read the articles.

Russell

you know you maybe right but you have to understand one thing about Verizon loyalist. They treat cell phones as if its a religion, if you have Verizon you are going to heaven and if you have anyother carrier you are going to you know where. I do not understand why most feel this way but its in their brains. Its funny cause you never hear any Verizon customer/employe mention the regional carrier (alltel) which now is a carrier with the largest owned and operated network in america....Hey Verizon, we are a small company of about 14 - 17 million customers.

But 2ndflood nice info to post, too bad we will take it as is and opposing carriers will doubt until that day comes and they have kicked themselves in the butt thinking they are better then everyone...

I do not have sprint service, I have 5 phones, 3 with alltel, 1 with nextel (which I do not use just something to have) and 1 cingular (just to have for BT feature). Its funny with the exception of my nextel phone, all my phones have the BT feature and 2 have OBEX

[the2ndflood]

you know you maybe right but you have to understand one thing about Verizon loyalist. They treat cell phones as if its a religion, if you have Verizon you are going to heaven and if you have anyother carrier you are going to you know where. I do not understand why most feel this way but its in their brains. Its funny cause you never hear any Verizon customer/employe mention the regional carrier (alltel) which now is a carrier with the largest owned and operated network in america....Hey Verizon, we are a small company of about 14 - 17 million customers.

But 2ndflood nice info to post, too bad we will take it as is and opposing carriers will doubt until that day comes and they have kicked themselves in the butt thinking they are better then everyone...

I do not have sprint service, I have 5 phones, 3 with alltel, 1 with nextel (which I do not use just something to have) and 1 cingular (just to have for BT feature). Its funny with the exception of my nextel phone, all my phones have the BT feature and 2 have OBEX

Trust me, I know exactly what you mean. I bounced from wireless carrier to carrier until I found what I need with Sprint. So I understand why people have loyalty with their carriers. I am so used to my phone that it is horrible when I forget it or lend it to a friend. I don't have a huge problem with Verizon, because I love CDMA. And oddly enough, I looked into getting an Alltel phone, but they don't offer service in my area. But for me, Sprint works 1000% better then Verizon, T-Mobile, ect.
It is just when people say anything bad about Sprint, my loyalty kicks in and I am ready to fight.

I just love everything about Sprint, and when I am treated with respect from a company, I treat them like a woman and stay completely loyal.

As for Alltel, I don't think most people understand that Alltel provides a large chunk of Verizon's complete network. I don't really know if Alltel operates the largest network in America, but I will take your word for it. But that could be true seeing as they have both Analog and CDMA networks.

But I do understand your point, we are all basically the same. We are all part of the American wireless community.

Russell

Oh, and why do you have a Nextel phone if you do not use it?

[danny.boi]

Sprint EV-DO data network is faster and more dependable. Countless articles have stated this. Sprint's EV-DO towers are closer together then Verizon's, and that gives Sprint faster, more dependable speeds. Read the stats on EV-DO, speeds lower with distance. Sprint uses 1900Mhz, Verizon 800Mhz.That is two facts. Sprint has always lead in the data department over Verizon because of their network setup. why do you think so many more people, companies, and the government use Sprint's data network over Verizon's?

Do a search and read the articles.

Russell

First off, my staff and I use EVDO with Kyo Aircards. Do you? I've seen the real world use in the area where I need it. My phone is even EVDO capable. It's EVDO all the way from Los Angeles to Orange, Riverside, San Diego and large portions of San Bernardino Counties. It's a pretty huge area if you ask me.

I do read many articles, but I won't quote just the one's that make one carrier look better than the other.

Every carrier and technology will have proponents touting their product as better.

VZW's EVDO is built over 1900 MHz spectrum with spacing in mind. If this was an issue, I should lose or drop my EVDO signal inbetween each cell site designed for 800 MHz use but I don't.

EVDO coverage for me goes beyond the highways. EVDO is even built out in some sparcely populated areas in Southern California just outside the large metro areas.

How many Sprint customers in your area are using EVDO enough to slow network speeds? I'm not sure it's even available there, am I wrong? EVDO can be affected by cell shrinkage caused by network congestion and/or poor signal.

I would wait until both networks are launched completely in each market and actually become an user before passing judgement.

You live in a PCS only area for both Sprint and VZW. Unless you plan to use EVDO nationally outside of Florida on a daily basis, I wouldn't use 1900 MHz tower placement as your only criteria for using the network.

How do you rate something as dependable that is not readily available to most users?

[the2ndflood]

First off, my staff and I use EVDO with Kyo Aircards. Do you? I've seen the real world use in the area where I need it. My phone is even EVDO capable. It's EVDO all the way from Los Angeles to Orange, Riverside, San Diego and large portions of San Bernardino Counties. It's a pretty huge area if you ask me.

I do read many articles, but I won't quote just the one's that make one carrier look better than the other.

Every carrier and technology will have proponents touting their product as better.

VZW's EVDO is built over 1900 MHz spectrum with spacing in mind. If this was an issue, I should lose or drop my EVDO signal inbetween each cell site designed for 800 MHz use but I don't.

EVDO coverage for me goes beyond the highways. EVDO is even built out in some sparcely populated areas in Southern California just outside the large metro areas.

How many Sprint customers in your area are using EVDO enough to slow network speeds? I'm not sure it's even available there, am I wrong? EVDO can be affected by cell shrinkage caused by network congestion and/or poor signal.

I would wait until both networks are launched completely in each market and actually become an user before passing judgement.

You live in a PCS only area for both Sprint and VZW. Unless you plan to use EVDO nationally outside of Florida on a daily basis, I wouldn't use 1900 MHz tower placement as your only criteria for using the network.

How do you rate something as dependable that is not readily available to most users?

No, wait, don't you dare start going off and disrespecting me! Did I say anything rude?! I just stated what I have read, and so far the reviews on Verizon's network do not deal with dependability and speed, they just praise them for the current broad coverage. Where does it say Verizon is using 1900Mhz spectrum for all of their EV-DO coverage? Even if they are, Sprint's network is design from the ground up for that spectrum use. And that build-up fact has allowed customers to have dependable access to their voice, Visons, ect on their own network. The number one complaint with Verizon is the fact that they are a patchwork network. I know that when I had Verizon, like I have said before, my web access and other services were never dependable. At least with sprint, it always has been.

Secondly, I never said I used EV-DO. I am quoting every article I have read, and I am not just quoting the ones on Sprint's favor. Sprint's Internet has always been more dependable, that is why they have more people using it then Verizon. That is why they allow so many MVNO's to use it. That why they allow Smart-Device users to use Unlimited access for a fair price. There is so many people in my area of Florida using Sprint and their Internet access, many of them just using the standard CDMA network and I still get on average 101Kbs speeds. And South Florida is just as packed as California, most likely more so, seeing as so many peoples homes are smashed together. There is no land left!!

And I know Sprint has tons of customers here, because the Sprint stores are always packed with people. People getting in and out of the stores all of the time that the parking lots are insanely difficult to get into. So if all this means anything when EV-DO is more wide spread, the speeds will be perfect!

I can go on forever, but we will never see eye-to-eye on this. I know what I know, you know what you know, and let's just leave it at that.

Russell

[danny.boi]

(alltel) which now is a carrier with the largest owned and operated network in america....Hey Verizon, we are a small company of about 14 - 17 million customers.





From Alltel's website:

Largest Network Claim: Based upon analysis by an independent research company in July 2005, which compared marketed coverage patterns at the time of their creation of each wireless carrier without allowance for variations due to electrical interference, customer equipment, topography and each carrier’s translation & defined preferences of their own internal engineering data...

http://alltel.com/all4you/index.html

[the2ndflood]

From Alltel's website:

Largest Network Claim: Based upon analysis by an independent research company in July 2005, which compared marketed coverage patterns at the time of their creation of each wireless carrier without allowance for variations due to electrical interference, customer equipment, topography and each carrier’s translation & defined preferences of their own internal engineering data...

http://alltel.com/all4you/index.html


That is pretty impressive then. Seeing as they are a Tier 2 carrier. What would it take for them to become a national carrier?

[danny.boi]

That coverage claim is based upon a technicality. I'm going to ask my Alltel Business rep tomorrow to sell me on that point.

[the2ndflood]

[QUOTE=cdma2000]Russell: If you wouldn't quote service or billing issues you had "years ago" and apply them as current technical facts in late 2005, then you won't be called out for it. That's no different than a current VZW user saying Sprint sucks because they didn't work well for them back in 2002.

You have to allow for the possibilty that all carriers improve and expand services daily even in Gatorville.

Browsing through several Florida wireless phone forums, you'd think there were two companies named Sprint by the disparity of user opinions on their wireless service from the Panhandle to the South Beach. Even Cingular users say Cingular is the best in Florida hands down? I believe our immediate coverage area has the greatest impact on our perception of each carrier.
QUOTE]



Who is calling me out? You can ask me anything you want to. I was using Verizon's service a few years ago, but I still have two friends that are using them now. Whenever we meet up, I use their phones. So I have enough current knowledge to make up my own mind about Verizon's services. You have to understand, I am a tech geek. I read, talk about, and play with everything technical. I read and watch everything that is related to those topics, including wireless phones. Down here in South Florida, channel 10 and 7 news hold an annual wireless review. They test the phones and services all around town, including Alligator Alley. Sprint and Nextel won last year and this year. I did not see the ones before that, because I normally don't watch the news. So I just found out about this two years ago.
I also see all of the time on the news, people trapped on their boats that are able to call 911 with their Sprint phones while they are out at see.

So from all of the surveys and tests I have seen, Sprint either comes out on top or at least second down here in South Florida.
As for Cingular winning anything, Cingular has come out pretty much last down here. Their service is so bad! Everyone I know that has Cingular, hates them, but can't afford the money to get out of their contracts. So I really don't know where you are reading this, but no one at my school, work, friends and family's work, likes Cingular. And the friends that now use Sprint, started off using other carriers, and now argue with people when they put Sprint down. I am not kidding, even my parents now have Sprint, and love their service! I just added another line to my account for my cousin, and he has used T-Mobile and Cingular before, and he now loves Sprint!

So I know people love the carriers they love, but I know what I know, and have seen what I have seen. So Sprint for my and the people I know, is the best.

Feel free to ask me anything you want. I did not know I was being called out.

Russell

[danny.boi]

[QUOTE=cdma2000]Russell: If you wouldn't quote service or billing issues you had "years ago" and apply them as current technical facts in late 2005, then you won't be called out for it. That's no different than a current VZW user saying Sprint sucks because they didn't work well for them back in 2002.

You have to allow for the possibilty that all carriers improve and expand services daily even in Gatorville.

Browsing through several Florida wireless phone forums, you'd think there were two companies named Sprint by the disparity of user opinions on their wireless service from the Panhandle to the South Beach. Even Cingular users say Cingular is the best in Florida hands down? I believe our immediate coverage area has the greatest impact on our perception of each carrier.
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Who is calling me out? You can ask me anything you want to. I was using Verizon's service a few years ago, but I still have two friends that are using them now. Whenever we meet up, I use their phones. So I have enough current knowledge to make up my own mind about Verizon's services. You have to understand, I am a tech geek. I read, talk about, and play with everything technical. I read and watch everything that is related to those topics, including wireless phones. Down here in South Florida, channel 10 and 7 news hold an annual wireless review. They test the phones and services all around town, including Alligator Alley. Sprint and Nextel won last year and this year. I did not see the ones before that, because I normally don't watch the news. So I just found out about this two years ago.
I also see all of the time on the news, people trapped on their boats that are able to call 911 with their Sprint phones while they are out at see.

So from all of the surveys and tests I have seen, Sprint either comes out on top or at least second down here in South Florida.
As for Cingular winning anything, Cingular has come out pretty much last down here. Their service is so bad! Everyone I know that has Cingular, hates them, but can't afford the money to get out of their contracts. So I really don't know where you are reading this, but no one at my school, work, friends and family's work, likes Cingular. And the friends that now use Sprint, started off using other carriers, and now argue with people when they put Sprint down. I am not kidding, even my parents now have Sprint, and love their service! I just added another line to my account for my cousin, and he has used T-Mobile and Cingular before, and he now loves Sprint!

So I know people love the carriers they love, but I know what I know, and have seen what I have seen. So Sprint for my and the people I know, is the best.

Feel free to ask me anything you want. I did not know I was being called out.

Russell


LOL. You're alright man.

[the2ndflood]

[QUOTE=the2ndflood]


LOL. You're alright man.


Thanks. Sorry if I sounded rude, I just get heated easily.

[triggarhappy]

From Alltel's website:

Largest Network Claim: Based upon analysis by an independent research company in July 2005, which compared marketed coverage patterns at the time of their creation of each wireless carrier without allowance for variations due to electrical interference, customer equipment, topography and each carriers translation & defined preferences of their own internal engineering data...

http://alltel.com/all4you/index.html

Yep that's correct, with us purchasing western wireless we now have bragging rights. Verizon may have the largest coverage but that's through roaming agreements. If you do not believe me, I challenge you to look at verizons digital coverage in the state of North Carolina. As you know Verizon states some features will not work if you are not in the digital foot print. Last time I checked their digital coverage only covered half of the state while the other half they used our (alltel) towers. We were once looked at as a target for verizon to purchase but little did a lot of people know was that alltel was too profitable for verizon to just swallow up. Right now we are trying to change our look of a regional carrier to a national carrier. This changes are slowly but surely coming. Hopefully we gooble up USCC but they have the same mentality as us which is "we are not for sale." So for now let's see what the next move alltel makes, as right now we do have a lot of carriers beat on plans. Who here besides retention plans habe a normal fmaily share plan that for 75 dollars a month you get two phones, 1000 anytime mins to share, free mobile to mobile, free mobile to home, free nights and weekends at 7 and this is a national plan.

[the2ndflood]

Yep that's correct, with us purchasing western wireless we now have bragging rights. Verizon may have the largest coverage but that's through roaming agreements. If you do not believe me, I challenge you to look at verizons digital coverage in the state of North Carolina. As you know Verizon states some features will not work if you are not in the digital foot print. Last time I checked their digital coverage only covered half of the state while the other half they used our (alltel) towers. We were once looked at as a target for verizon to purchase but little did a lot of people know was that alltel was too profitable for verizon to just swallow up. Right now we are trying to change our look of a regional carrier to a national carrier. This changes are slowly but surely coming. Hopefully we gooble up USCC but they have the same mentality as us which is "we are not for sale." So for now let's see what the next move alltel makes, as right now we do have a lot of carriers beat on plans. Who here besides retention plans habe a normal fmaily share plan that for 75 dollars a month you get two phones, 1000 anytime mins to share, free mobile to mobile, free mobile to home, free nights and weekends at 7 and this is a national plan.

Technically, Sprint has the largest network with all of their roaming agreements, not Verizon.
It would be cool though if Alltel was to grow big enough where it could buy Verizon Wireless. Or atleast buy the percentage Vodafone owns.

[danny.boi]

Yep that's correct, with us purchasing western wireless we now have bragging rights. Verizon may have the largest coverage but that's through roaming agreements. If you do not believe me, I challenge you to look at verizons digital coverage in the state of North Carolina. As you know Verizon states some features will not work if you are not in the digital foot print. Last time I checked their digital coverage only covered half of the state while the other half they used our (alltel) towers. We were once looked at as a target for verizon to purchase but little did a lot of people know was that alltel was too profitable for verizon to just swallow up. Right now we are trying to change our look of a regional carrier to a national carrier. This changes are slowly but surely coming. Hopefully we gooble up USCC but they have the same mentality as us which is "we are not for sale." So for now let's see what the next move alltel makes, as right now we do have a lot of carriers beat on plans. Who here besides retention plans habe a normal fmaily share plan that for 75 dollars a month you get two phones, 1000 anytime mins to share, free mobile to mobile, free mobile to home, free nights and weekends at 7 and this is a national plan.


VZW and Alltel are on favorable terms with their extensive roaming agreements. It's cheaper for each carrier to roam off of eachother for now than for VZW to fork out a few billion to purchase them.

As I understand it, Alltel's "largest network" claim is based upon metrics; in other words, if Nebraska had a picket fence around it and you stretched it out, it would be the biggest picket fence in the United States; and because Alltel is the largest US carrier who is the sole owner+operator of their wireless venture, their claim has more weight via a small technicality... VZW is owned by Verizon and Vodafone Group. Cingular is owned by SBC and Bell South. T-Mobile is a subsidiary of D-Telecom and of course you have the joint venture of Sprint/Nextel.

However, lack of native presence in the most profitable markets and general native availability, they will still be considered a rural provider. Nobody from Los Angeles or New York City can sign up for Alltel service and until they sign CDMA DATA roaming agreements with VZW and Sprint, many digital features may not be available when off network when their users travel to many major US cities. At the same time, I assume those who sign up for Total Freedom plans sign up for voice coverage primarily and are not the Treo Surfers or Blackberry Email pushers we see in the bigger cities.

If Alltel can upgrade their network to EVDO, I can see them as an attractive option to VZW later on after their parent company completes their MCI purchase later this year assuming the price is right. I'm a firm believer that any company, even Verizon Communications will sell if their board sees enough $$$ signs.

Competition will become more apparent starting this holiday season. There will either be further consolidation of our wireless providers and/or we may even see one fall victim to overspending, overhyping, coupled with lackluster profits. Time will tell.

[the2ndflood]

Competition will become more apparent starting this holiday season. There will either be further consolidation of our wireless providers and/or we may even see one fall victim to overspending, overhyping, coupled with lackluster profits. Time will tell.

Yeah, there was all that talk last year about Verizon buying Alltel, but none of the annalists believed that would happen. The government allowed Sprint & Nextel to merge, because they wanted a Strong counter balance to the Baby Bell's, that was not tied down by land lines. Sprint-Nextel is now a pure wireless play, which gives them the ability to offer more then the other carriers would allow. Plus with all of that 2.4Ghz spectrum that Sprint now owns, they will be able to give us full, National High-Speed wireless access. That will be so cool! I heard that Flarion's Flash-OFDM has now been tested at speeds of 10MB a second. And the word is Sprint is more then likely to use that, now after QUALCOMM purchased Flarion. I can't wait to see what will be next!!

So I don't think the government would allow anymore consolidation, because they need to keep the wireless plans affordable.

Russell