Watch out...sprint is sending out letters for using phone as a modem..got mine today.

[frontsideinc]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4451/sprint25gm.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sprint25gm.jpg)

I guess 3 gig of data in a year is too much, time to back off.....Just giving u guys the heads up...

[SteelersFan]

Thanks for the heads up.

[Dale]

How much megabytes have you been using??? 1,000 megs a month??? 1K?

[frontsideinc]

How much megabytes have you been using??? 1,000 megs a month??? 1K?


I checked my phone vi660, before i switched to a 8200 the other day,,i used around 3 gigs, since aug of 04.

I called sprint last night, after 6 peps on the phone, they gave me a plan, 20 bucks a month for 20 mb,,but unlimited for the first 3 month,,,,to use my cell phone as a modem..

So they do have data plans to use your cell as a modem

20 bucks for 20mb
40 bucks for 40mb
80 bucks for 300mb

thats what they told, me.

but if u sign up for either one, u get the no overage plan, for 3 months, meaning u can have unlimited data for the first 3 months..

[sheureka]

I checked my phone vi660, before i switched to a 8200 the other day,,i used around 3 gigs, since aug of 04.

I called sprint last night, after 6 peps on the phone, they gave me a plan, 20 bucks a month for 20 mb,,but unlimited for the first 3 month,,,,to use my cell phone as a modem..Whoa - they have no way at all to monitor that - and as the letter makes clear the only way they can tell the difference is by usage pattern - and even then they're guessing. I have a PPC6600 and can stream movies from my computer with ORB, can play XM Radio all day, and can go to any website for however long I want. I'd never sign up for a plan like that. Even if I occasionally used my laptop with my phone the usage would be so minimal compared to the usage on the phone itself that it would be ridiculous for me to get a data plan like that. - sheureka

[that_kid]

I'm with Sheureka, I do so much with my 6600 that if I hooked it up to my laptop it would look like normal usage to sprint.

[slim06]

can the vm4050 be used as a modem? what cable would i need and how to set up? thanks.

[techprincesse]

Is there a way to measure how much data you have used in a month? My bill never tells this information.

[Dale]

can the vm4050 be used as a modem? what cable would i need and how to set up? thanks.

Get a cable, hook it up, dial #777 and you're all set!!! Works great!

[slim06]

need any special software?

[Dale]

no. zero. Windows XP found my phone just fine.

[3G Cables]

can the vm4050 be used as a modem? what cable would i need and how to set up? thanks.

We have the cable for your VM4050 to use it as a modem and give all instructions with the cable all for $8.95. It is all you need to connect to the net.

[jahillia]

Bought mine from 3G and it works like a charm....

[Dale]

We have the cable for your VM4050 to use it as a modem and give all instructions with the cable all for $8.95. It is all you need to connect to the net.

What a deal! That cable was once like $24.95!!!

[3G Cables]

What a deal! That cable was once like $24.95!!!

Yea, we were forced to lower they price dramatically due to e-bay whores.

Let me make a correction however, that cable is $13.95 not $8.95.

*Got confused since most of our cables are $8.95.

[chuckwjk1]

They can tell, that is for sure...

[3G Cables]

They can tell, that is for sure...

Yes, I have said this from the start. And they certainly have the means to distinguish if you are connected via the handset or a computer. I don’t know why some people adamantly deny this.

[edkoh]

what did it say?

[fl00d_pr0z]

It's on Page 1...

[threestepps]

Well lets think about it for a minute! Sprint only has so much band width avaliable. They have ways of telling how much data you use. If you don't have a vision plan it's
$.02 a kilobyte to use the web with the data plans its $.002 a kilobyte. So yes they can tell how much data you are using.

[MickCole]

It's on Page 1...
The image on page 1 is too small to be readable.
Mick

[mnrstrider]

I got a letter a couple weeks ago, not too bad though I've been using it for years, and I've used a ton of free internet, I guess I need to look into another option, I find $80-85 unlimited plans, but thats a lot for internet each month..... If I find out how to again I'll post my data numbers, they should give you people a good chuckle, sanyo 4900 in case anyone knows off the top of their head.

[dakleenupman]

I myself love the 3G cable. The tech support you get is top notch as well!! These guys are ones to trust!!

Chris :)

[andre141]

Whoa - they have no way at all to monitor that - and as the letter makes clear the only way they can tell the difference is by usage pattern - and even then they're guessing. I have a PPC6600 and can stream movies from my computer with ORB, can play XM Radio all day, and can go to any website for however long I want. I'd never sign up for a plan like that. Even if I occasionally used my laptop with my phone the usage would be so minimal compared to the usage on the phone itself that it would be ridiculous for me to get a data plan like that. - sheureka

Actually, you're right! :tu: Sprint cannot tell the usage of ANY Pocket PC on their network, because your phone is actually treated and programed as if it is an air card, hence the reason they charge $25 for vision instead of the usual $15. For Pocket PC's the only clues they have that you are using your phone as a modem would be a fluxuation in usage.

But Sprint KNOWS for sure if you are using any other phone (non pocket pc) as a modem, however, they don't look at your account unless YOU USE A LOT!

[3G Cables]

I myself love the 3G cable. The tech support you get is top notch as well!! These guys are ones to trust!!

Chris :)

Thanks :wavey:

[Tahkuct]

Wirelessly posted ( Treo 650: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; PalmSource/hspr-H102; Blazer/4.0) 16;320x320)

Whoa - they have no way at all to monitor that - and as the letter makes clear the only way they can tell the difference is by usage pattern - and even then they're guessing. I have a PPC6600 and can stream movies from my computer with ORB, can play XM Radio all day, and can go to any website for however long I want. I'd never sign up for a plan like that. Even if I occasionally used my laptop with my phone the usage would be so minimal compared to the usage on the phone itself that it would be ridiculous for me to get a data plan like that. - sheureka

Actually, you're right! :tu: Sprint cannot tell the usage of ANY Pocket PC on their network, because your phone is actually treated and programed as if it is an air card, hence the reason they charge $25 for vision instead of the usual $15. For Pocket PC's the only clues they have that you are using your phone as a modem would be a fluxuation in usage.

But Sprint KNOWS for sure if you are using any other phone (non pocket pc) as a modem, however, they don't look at your account unless YOU USE A LOT!

what about Treo 650? I can do a lot of thinks similar to 6600

[3G Cables]

Wirelessly posted ( Treo 650: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; PalmSource/hspr-H102; Blazer/4.0) 16;320x320)



what about Treo 650? I can do a lot of thinks similar to 6600

Any phone connected through a data cable IS seen by Sprint as connecting through a PC. If however you are referring to just using the Vision through the phone/PDA then that is fine and you can use as much as you want that way.

Otherwise, PDA or not, Sprint CAN tell that you are connected with a data cable. Why would I be telling you this if it wasn’t true when it would only hurt our company sales? I am here to speak the truth.

[3G Cables]

Actually, you're right! :tu: Sprint cannot tell the usage of ANY Pocket PC on their network, because your phone is actually treated and programed as if it is an air card, hence the reason they charge $25 for vision instead of the usual $15. For Pocket PC's the only clues they have that you are using your phone as a modem would be a fluxuation in usage.

But Sprint KNOWS for sure if you are using any other phone (non pocket pc) as a modem, however, they don't look at your account unless YOU USE A LOT!

Wait, what proof do you have of this? I am not doubting you but I would like to see where you got this info. It would acutally make sense but I have not heard of such a thing.

[dakleenupman]

So, if you get found out, they will send warning letter then? Or will they just drop you from their service and charge you the ETF's?

[3G Cables]

So, if you get found out, they will send warning letter then? Or will they just drop you from their service and charge you the ETF's?

That depends, there are people that have had it both ways. RECENTLY it seems they are only sending letters but there have been those that have been charged big-time fees and dropped because they abuse it heavily.

[dakleenupman]

Ok, so keep it on the DL then.....best way to stay away.

[andre141]

Wait, what proof do you have of this? I am not doubting you but I would like to see where you got this info. It would acutally make sense but I have not heard of such a thing.

Got the info from a friend that is a tech at CS.

And i've seen a post here saying something similar.

I'll try and find it. I'll edit this post with a link if I can find it.

[3G Cables]

Got the info from a friend that is a tech at CS.

And i've seen a post here saying something similar.

I'll try and find it. I'll edit this post with a link if I can find it.

Funny. I use to work as a tech for Sprint. There is no way a person on the tech level or even much higher would have been told this information from Sprint at even much higher levels than a store tech. The information you heard is unfounded.

Sprint is EXTREMLY tight-lipped about this subject as well as many others but this subject, the subject of data usage, is their best kept secret.

[peyattlc]

here it is, i think lol

[Slick5300]

how much were you using each month?

Also, can they still tell even if you arent using a PC or a cable? I use a pocket pc with bluetooth...

[franklong23]

if it was that bad they would turn it off and noy allow us to do

[dannydos]

i got my letter the other day.....looks like i'm going to lower my data usage a bit....who else got a letter, looks like 20 people so far have posted

[nicetie]

e-bay whores? What is the matter with you? I always thought 3G was a reputable
company. Does management know you are acting as a company representative?

[3G Cables]

e-bay whores? What is the matter with you? I always thought 3G was a reputable
company. Does management know you are acting as a company representative?

I am using that term to explain how the price gets "whored out" bring it so low.

Yes it matters to me and yes management knows I am here.

What exactly did I say that hit a sore spot with you? Do you sell data cables on ebay also?

[charlesbarr1]

Well, at least the worst Sprint can do is cancel your account. Let's wait and see if they really do, and if they also pursue legal action. It would be nice if they made the 300 meg plan unlimited, and maybe even lower the price.

[nicetie]

I am using that term to explain how the price gets "whored out" bring it so low.

Yes it matters to me and yes management knows I am here.

What exactly did I say that hit a sore spot with you? Do you sell data cables on ebay also?

No I'm not selling anything on e-bay. The sore spot is anyone trash talking another
product or source in order to hawk their own wares. I expect it from a used car
salesman, but when people like you infest forums and chat boards, they are intrusive
especially when they run down other products.

[3G Cables]

No I'm not selling anything on e-bay. The sore spot is anyone trash talking another
product or source in order to hawk their own wares. I expect it from a used car
salesman, but when people like you infest forums and chat boards, they are intrusive
especially when they run down other products.

To each thier own. Sorry you were so offended.

[smarzig]

Like ok I'm a network admin .. but wutz a pocket pc? :dazed:

[Slick5300]

Like ok I'm a network admin .. but wutz a pocket pc? :dazed:

www.pocketpc.com

[nicetie]

Like ok I'm a network admin .. but wutz a pocket pc? :dazed:
ittybitty PC thingy. gozinur pocket. Gudfer?...teenagers with good eyes.

[anthony]

Hi. I'm a brand new Treo/Sprint person. I selected Sprint because the PCS Vision Premium Pack included unlimited internet. Am I correct to understand that this usage issue cannot be tracked if you use the Treo bluetoth rather than cable to connect my laptop.

[elwappo99]

Hey i need some help too.

If i connect a mm-8300 via a usb cable it will automatically use the internet on the phone, like you were browsing on the phones internet? Or are you dialing an isp through a 56k modem using the phone like a phone call?

And if i got one of the earlier people correct, dial #777 to have windows detect the phone, and it get automatically connected?

And the above way to connect that works will cost $.02kb, unless i sign up for the unlimited internet usage?

Im sorry its probably an easy answer for most of you, but i found many of the topics are cluttered with confusion so i'd like a clear answer. And because im really new to this all. Im upgrading from a super-cool nokia 3588i

[3G Cables]

Hey i need some help too.

If i connect a mm-8300 via a usb cable it will automatically use the internet on the phone, like you were browsing on the phones internet? Or are you dialing an isp through a 56k modem using the phone like a phone call?

And if i got one of the earlier people correct, dial #777 to have windows detect the phone, and it get automatically connected?

And the above way to connect that works will cost $.02kb, unless i sign up for the unlimited internet usage?

Im sorry its probably an easy answer for most of you, but i found many of the topics are cluttered with confusion so i'd like a clear answer. And because im really new to this all. Im upgrading from a super-cool nokia 3588i

No worries, I can make it really simple for you. Sprint specifically *blocked* the 8300 from connecting to the internet at all. So you cant connect either way.

:irked:

[elwappo99]

ohhh im gonna get pissy with them....... *sighs*

Can the pm-8200?

[radiorange]

I got one of those letters. Completely bogus allegation for at least these reasons:

1) I don't have Vision on my account (even though the
letter states that I do; instead, I have Wireless Web); 2) it wouldn't make any sense to have Vision on my account because my phone (older, 2G phone, won't support it; 3) I haven't been using the phone as a modem, although it would still seem that I should be able to under the Wireless Web conditions; 4) I have a data card with unlimited usage so it doesn't make a lot of sense to use the phone as a modem (unless in an emergency if the data card got damaged); 5) my Wireless Web feature clearly contemplates the use of the phone as a modem and authorizes its use:


"Sprint puts the power of the wireless Internet in your hand. Sprint
PCS Wireless Web includes the following:

Sprint PCS Wireless Web Browser - Gives you the power to access a
wide variety of specially designed Web sites, including ESPN, CNN, The
Weather Channel, and more!

Sprint PCS Wireless Web Connection - Allows you to use your Sprint
PCS Phone in place of a computer modem. Whatever you've done before by
connecting via a telephone wall jack, you can now do with your Sprint
PCS Phone and a Sprint PCS Connection Kit. With Sprint PCS Wireless Web
Connection, your computer connects over the Sprint Nationwide PCS
Network, giving you the freedom to access information when and where
you choose.

Sprint PCS Wireless Web Updates - Allows you to get the information
you want, when you want it, automatically. Includes weather reports,
stock quotes, and news headlines, directly to your Sprint PCS Phone.

Sprint PCS Short Mail - Allows you to send and receive messages on
your Internet-ready Sprint PCS Phone (you must also have a Sprint PCS
Wireless Web Browser installed)."

Customer service said the letter was a mistake, but would not send anything in writing, allowing the last written communication to stand. Not acceptable to me, so I called Executive Services and they ended up faxing a letter to me stating the threat letter was a mistake. They also faxed along a copy of a post card they claim they sent out. I didn't get one, but here's what it said:

"
Sprint
P.O. Box 15955
Shawnee Mission, KS 66285-5955


Dear Valued Sprint PCS customer:


We are writing to inform you that we recently sent you a letter about
using your SprintPCS Phone as a modem. Please disregard that letter as
it was sent to you in error. No action on your part is required.


Sprint values you as a customer and is committed to offering you a
better wireless experience. We regret any confusion this may have
caused and are sorry for any inconvenience.


Thank you for your patience, and we look forward to continuing to serve
you.

Sincerely,

Sprint Customer Service
"

[3G Cables]

ohhh im gonna get pissy with them....... *sighs*

Can the pm-8200?

Yes, the 8200 can.

[3G Cables]

I got one of those letters. Completely bogus allegation for at least these reasons:

1) I don't have Vision on my account (even though the
letter states that I do; instead, I have Wireless Web); 2) it wouldn't make any sense to have Vision on my account because my phone (older, 2G phone, won't support it; 3) I haven't been using the phone as a modem, although it would still seem that I should be able to under the Wireless Web conditions; 4) I have a data card with unlimited usage so it doesn't make a lot of sense to use the phone as a modem (unless in an emergency if the data card got damaged); 5) my Wireless Web feature clearly contemplates the use of the phone as a modem and authorizes its use:


"Sprint puts the power of the wireless Internet in your hand. Sprint
PCS Wireless Web includes the following:

Sprint PCS Wireless Web Browser - Gives you the power to access a
wide variety of specially designed Web sites, including ESPN, CNN, The
Weather Channel, and more!

Sprint PCS Wireless Web Connection - Allows you to use your Sprint
PCS Phone in place of a computer modem. Whatever you've done before by
connecting via a telephone wall jack, you can now do with your Sprint
PCS Phone and a Sprint PCS Connection Kit. With Sprint PCS Wireless Web
Connection, your computer connects over the Sprint Nationwide PCS
Network, giving you the freedom to access information when and where
you choose.

Sprint PCS Wireless Web Updates - Allows you to get the information
you want, when you want it, automatically. Includes weather reports,
stock quotes, and news headlines, directly to your Sprint PCS Phone.

Sprint PCS Short Mail - Allows you to send and receive messages on
your Internet-ready Sprint PCS Phone (you must also have a Sprint PCS
Wireless Web Browser installed)."

Customer service said the letter was a mistake, but would not send anything in writing, allowing the last written communication to stand. Not acceptable to me, so I called Executive Services and they ended up faxing a letter to me stating the threat letter was a mistake. They also faxed along a copy of a post card they claim they sent out. I didn't get one, but here's what it said:

"
Sprint
P.O. Box 15955
Shawnee Mission, KS 66285-5955


Dear Valued Sprint PCS customer:


We are writing to inform you that we recently sent you a letter about
using your SprintPCS Phone as a modem. Please disregard that letter as
it was sent to you in error. No action on your part is required.


Sprint values you as a customer and is committed to offering you a
better wireless experience. We regret any confusion this may have
caused and are sorry for any inconvenience.


Thank you for your patience, and we look forward to continuing to serve
you.

Sincerely,

Sprint Customer Service
"

Thats messed up.

[bluepocket]

Hello just scrolling thru threads and noticed this thought for the day about sprint reps being accountable I have often said that to my husband everytime I get off the phone with them and in fact I say it to them. Glad to know someone else out there feels the same.

[Publisher]

I just received my Sanyo MM-8300, and (as many people have pointed out) it does not work with #777. I can still return it during the next few days, and I'd like to get a phone which does work with #777. I have been happy with Sanyo phones, so... which Sanyo phones (that are still for sale) will work with #777?

Sanyo phones currently listed on the Sprint website now include VI-2300, RL-4920, MM-8300, RL-7300, and MM-5600 (out of stock).

Thanks for your help.

[Dale]

Hello just scrolling thru threads and noticed this thought for the day about sprint reps being accountable I have often said that to my husband everytime I get off the phone with them and in fact I say it to them. Glad to know someone else out there feels the same.

Yup, that's me!!! :wavey:

Stupid Sprint people blew up my account!!! Really, really, really bad!!!! They never fixed it yet and what year is it anyway??? You can tell them too ... what a rep can blow up in seconds takes over a decade to fix!!!!

[3G Cables]

I just received my Sanyo MM-8300, and (as many people have pointed out) it does not work with #777. I can still return it during the next few days, and I'd like to get a phone which does work with #777. I have been happy with Sanyo phones, so... which Sanyo phones (that are still for sale) will work with #777?

Sanyo phones currently listed on the Sprint website now include VI-2300, RL-4920, MM-8300, RL-7300, and MM-5600 (out of stock).

Thanks for your help.

4920, 7300, and 8200 will work

2300, 8300, 5600 will NOT work

[Dissatisfied]

I am absolutely sick about Sprint PCS. What a miserable company. I am in a current all-out-war with them right now regarding $1600 worth of vision usage on my phone bill last month!

All of this started in AUG 2004 when my husband and I went to upgrade his phone and add nationwide roaming to our account. During this transaction, the in-store rep must have removed "Free add-a-phone with Unlimited Vision" from his line because the following month we recevied a $250 charge for vision usage. We called customer service, they recredited our account ans pledged to fix the mistake. Even gave us a $50 service credit for the inconvenience.

Well apparently the problem was never fixed and the small vision charged he was accumulating on his line were being offset by the $50 credit. I never noticed it because our bill was always the exact amount it was supposed to be. All of this culminated this month when we received a $1600 bill for vision usage.

Now they are trying to tell us that his usage is not covered by vision anyway because the volume indicates he used it as a modem. We did not receive any warning letter.

It is like reasoning with monkeys trying to get this resolved. Sprint offered a 1/2 off "goodwill" gesture, but no cust. service rep can comprehend that the charges never should have happened in the first place!

[3G Cables]

I am absolutely sick about Sprint PCS. What a miserable company. I am in a current all-out-war with them right now regarding $1600 worth of vision usage on my phone bill last month!

All of this started in AUG 2004 when my husband and I went to upgrade his phone and add nationwide roaming to our account. During this transaction, the in-store rep must have removed "Free add-a-phone with Unlimited Vision" from his line because the following month we recevied a $250 charge for vision usage. We called customer service, they recredited our account ans pledged to fix the mistake. Even gave us a $50 service credit for the inconvenience.

Well apparently the problem was never fixed and the small vision charged he was accumulating on his line were being offset by the $50 credit. I never noticed it because our bill was always the exact amount it was supposed to be. All of this culminated this month when we received a $1600 bill for vision usage.

Now they are trying to tell us that his usage is not covered by vision anyway because the volume indicates he used it as a modem. We did not receive any warning letter.

It is like reasoning with monkeys trying to get this resolved. Sprint offered a 1/2 off "goodwill" gesture, but no cust. service rep can comprehend that the charges never should have happened in the first place!

Unfortunately they can do that. They can tell, by looking at how you connect and the packets sent, that you were connected with a data cable and it is in their terms of agreement which you signed which states you may not use the phone as a modem with a data cable. They don’t care if you use it lightly but you, or whoever, was using it a lot. That is a really high charge so I am sure a lot of internet connection was used.

I totally sympathize with you but not everyone gets a warning letter. If you use it lightly there will never be a problem.

Please keep us posted here on the outcome of your situation. I hope the best for you.

[ddawgslc]

hi.. are you dialing #777 to access their vision? i was using connection manager before.. is 777 better? are you using is at a type of dial up?

derick

[3G Cables]

hi.. are you dialing #777 to access their vision? i was using connection manager before.. is 777 better? are you using is at a type of dial up?

derick

The Connection Manager Software is just a nicer looking interface that dials #777 for you so it is the exact same thing.

[ddawgslc]

so if i have a cable.. i should just be able to dial #777 from the phone and it will connect? without connection manager? just open the flip and dial that number? when i connect the phone to the laptop.. windows trys to install it of course.. should i let it?

thanks for your help.. i'm sure your bombarded with idiots like myself asking this

[Dissatisfied]

OK, here is the thing that is really messed up - Sprint PCS sells unlimited Data transfer for $80/month. Yet, they think it is fair to charge long time reliable customers $1600 for 175 MB of data transfer. :bang: ***?

[3G Cables]

so if i have a cable.. i should just be able to dial #777 from the phone and it will connect? without connection manager? just open the flip and dial that number? when i connect the phone to the laptop.. windows trys to install it of course.. should i let it?

thanks for your help.. i'm sure your bombarded with idiots like myself asking this

No. You cant just dial #777 on the phone itself because that does not route it through the phones internal modem.

No, you follow the directions which you got when you bought your data cable. There are specific instructions.

[3G Cables]

OK, here is the thing that is really messed up - Sprint PCS sells unlimited Data transfer for $80/month. Yet, they think it is fair to charge long time reliable customers $1600 for 175 MB of data transfer. :bang: ***?

The difference is you were trying to get the $80 unlimited data plan for $10 per month and they caught you. It sucks, but yea, that is the deal.

If you would have purchased the $80 plan then it would have been all good.

It is like going into an expensive Japanese sushi restaurant and eating a bunch of food then saying, oh, I wanted that with the all you can eat package for $25. It is a gamble you took and lost so far but I am rooting for you.

Have you told them that you will be happy to pay the back several months of $80 of unlimited Vision? Are they just not budging at all? They said they would eat half that cost but still that is a lot of money.

[Dissatisfied]

Actually, we had unlimited vision for the past 3 years and have used our phones in conjunction with laptops all 3 years. It was the PCS in-store rep that told us 3 years ago how to do it and where to buy. I even asked him why they didn't sell the cords in the store and he told me it was b/c ISP's like AOL were giving Sprint a hard time for giving away free web service. I am just mad b/c I got blindsided by this huge bill with no warning.

I did offer to back purchase the $80 plan but CS would not budge. I wrote a 3 page letter and submitted back up explaining the situation, but every time I call or email CS I get a different rep and can never make any progress.

[3G Cables]

Actually, we had unlimited vision for the past 3 years and have used our phones in conjunction with laptops all 3 years. It was the PCS in-store rep that told us 3 years ago how to do it and where to buy. I even asked him why they didn't sell the cords in the store and he told me it was b/c ISP's like AOL were giving Sprint a hard time for giving away free web service. I am just mad b/c I got blindsided by this huge bill with no warning.

I did offer to back purchase the $80 plan but CS would not budge. I wrote a 3 page letter and submitted back up explaining the situation, but every time I call or email CS I get a different rep and can never make any progress.

Yea, that is a BAD rep giving that false info. Not cool at all. I assume after 3 years they are not there anymore.

[Dissatisfied]

I've got a meeting tomorrow afternoon with the store manager, but not sure they will be able to do anything. Usually all they can do is call the CS hotline.

I really wish I caould get a name and number to send a proper certified letter to. I'm tired of dealing with "the man behind the curtain" trying to get resolution.

[sheureka]

Yea, that is a BAD rep giving that false info. Not cool at all. I assume after 3 years they are not there anymore.Actually 3 years ago (when Vision first came out) Sprint didn't have a problem with laptop usage. My first Vision phone (the Sanyo 4900) came with a free data cable and cd with the connection manager software. They were selling Vision as an upgrade to the $5 WWW plans. - sheureka

[monkeyboy]

OK, here is the thing that is really messed up - Sprint PCS sells unlimited Data transfer for $80/month. Yet, they think it is fair to charge long time reliable customers $1600 for 175 MB of data transfer. :bang: ***?So... how much of that 175Mb data usage was due to modem/laptop usage and what proportion was due to handset usage ? You owe Sprint for the modem usage but not the handset usage (since you were supposed to have the handset unlimted Vision option on your plan). Since they claim they "can tell" if you're using a modem, they have the obligation to differentiate that usage between handset and modem. I'm quite sure any judge would force them to segregate the usage charges if they claim they can tell the difference. If they can't, then they have no basis to charge you for modem usage. $1600 is within small claims court.

[3G Cables]

So... how much of that 175Mb data usage was due to modem/laptop usage and what proportion was due to handset usage ? You owe Sprint for the modem usage but not the handset usage (since you were supposed to have the handset unlimted Vision option on your plan). Since they claim they "can tell" if you're using a modem, they have the obligation to differentiate that usage between handset and modem. I'm quite sure any judge would force them to segregate the usage charges if they claim they can tell the difference. If they can't, then they have no basis to charge you for modem usage. $1600 is within small claims court.

They can tell the difference however it would be to “dissatisfied”’s disadvantage because usage on a handset is far more compressed for most instances that if that same data was downloaded to a laptop. Of course you could use Orb on the handset or PDA and get away with it a lot easier.

[Dissatisfied]

Well I received a response to my last letter. Sprint PCS CS acknowledges that Vision was removed from our account and we were not properly notified. And they acknowledge that we were told 3 years ago that it was OK to use the data cable and never properly notified otherwise. Yet they are still not willing to budge beyond the $735 credit. Which leaves us with $800+ for this last bill and $400+ for the current cycle.

ANY SUGGESTIONS? Is there someone higher than CS to appeal to?

[radiorange]

File mandatory arbitration action against them. That's what I did (and I'll see what happens). If you have it in writing from them, then you are in a good position to win. I filed using JAMS (www.jamsadr.com), which requires a $125 filing fee, but Sprint must pay all other costs, including the case management fee. Not as formal as court, so if you can read and understand rules of procedure, you won't need a lawyer.

[Dissatisfied]

OK, Well Sprint finally stepped up. It took a lot of writing, calling and visiting the store. But they finally acknowledged that since vision should have never been removed from the sub-account in the first place that they should refund the charges. They even sent an e-mail stating they would re-instate the "free vision". I can see the refund on the account but have not seen the free vision re-instated as of yet (but at least we have the promise in writing this time).

As angry as I was, I have to say that in the end, when we finally found a reasonable and competent CS agent, they agreed to do the right thing. Just hope everything is truly corrected on the next invoice...

One thing is for sure, we will not be using data cables anymore!

[radiorange]

in the end, when we finally found a reasonable and competent CS agent, they agreed to do the right thing.

This is the problem with Sprint. Competent agents are at the end, not the beginning.

[17Hz]

Yea, we were forced to lower they price dramatically due to e-bay whores.

Let me make a correction however, that cable is $13.95 not $8.95.

*Got confused since most of our cables are $8.95.


just ordered a cable for my 7400, $8.95 + shipping, $15.90

great deal!!!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

[samsungfan]

Great info on this thread, but it looks like the question of whether connecting through a bluetooth interface is detected by Sprint is still an open one.

has anybody connecting to the internet via bluetooth received a letter? I have connected once or twice using our T608, but I haven't really done it much because of the slow speeds .... with EV-DO and the new phones coming out, however, I will be far more tempted, though not at the risk of losing my service.

[Sprint Know It All]

good topic. i had to take a sup call and explain this to a pretty PISSED off customer. but i couldn't do anything to help him but transfer him to the business dept to get a data plan.

[3G Cables]

Great info on this thread, but it looks like the question of whether connecting through a bluetooth interface is detected by Sprint is still an open one.

has anybody connecting to the internet via bluetooth received a letter? I have connected once or twice using our T608, but I haven't really done it much because of the slow speeds .... with EV-DO and the new phones coming out, however, I will be far more tempted, though not at the risk of losing my service.

It doesn’t matter if you are connecting via Bluetooth, IR, or a data cable. It still has the phone make a call through its internal modem to the Vision network and is seen in exactly the same way.

[keito]

Does the 4920 Sanyo, have a cable with a phone jack on the end? i want to use the modem my computer has. Or do i have to get another type of cable and get vision.

Thanks

[3G Cables]

Does the 4920 Sanyo, have a cable with a phone jack on the end? i want to use the modem my computer has. Or do i have to get another type of cable and get vision.

Thanks

That is not at all how it works, there is no such thing that you speak of that works how you want it to.

[edrhathaway]

I've had similiar responses...and you know what I had to do? I kept calling back, asking for managers, until I got someone in the states (many times it was a canadian). FINALLY, I got one that was willing to listen and go to bat to resolve the problem. Later, I was told that individual reps have the power to push these credits thru, but that they are measured (for promos and pay increases) on how well they "handle" these situations.

Moral of the story: raise hell, raise hell. I even on one call, with the girl kept saying "sir, but sir, we aren't giving you any credits", starting chanting: hell no, ed won't go. hell no, ed won't go. Finally she gave up, put me in touch with another person, who eventually go the same chant. I think they may have thought I was crazy, and HUNG up. SOOOOO....I called back (using their 800 number, why not let them pay for my fun???). Again, chanting. Eventually, all credits came across.

AND all this was because I change my number, and b/c their stupid systems force the reps to "recreate" the account, they forgot to click a box or select a bullet or something another and took unlimited vision off my account (or failed to add it back as the case were).

[scott81425]

ok, forgive the new guy here. i just left verizon for sprint. i have an 8300. as i understand this phone cannot be used with a cable to connect to the net. is that a permanent thing? or it just can't be connected as of right now? i.e. something that may change in the nearby future. how fast do these phones connect? i am still well within my 2 week time window, should i take this one back and get an 8200. this feature is not critical, but i do spend some time on the road and it would be nice to use for a minute or two. any help?

[FloorMatt]

PERMANENT......all of the newest Sanyos have that feature disabled. :(

[3G Cables]

PERMANENT......all of the newest Sanyos have that feature disabled. :(

I wouldn’t be so fast to say it is permanent. For now, it is.

However, wait until after Sept 2nd. It is *rumored* that with a firmware upgrade, FOTA or otherwise, that the Sanyo’s *may* be upgraded to handle the tethering with a data cable.

If you think about it, it does not make sense why only the Sanyo phones are blocked and not any others.

Just wait and see after Sept 2nd and/or when EV-DO has its official launch. I think we all might be a little surprised.

[FloorMatt]

Well, it's a "we'll see" situation, then...I guess

So, we will see... :fingers:

[3G Cables]

Well, it's a "we'll see" situation, then...I guess

So, we will see... :fingers:

There are more and more rumors leading to this likely happening. The latest one you may have heard is that Sprint will be offering a $60 unlimited download package to match Verizon’s. Again, we will just have to wait a few days and see what happens.

[monkeyboy]

Does the 4920 Sanyo, have a cable with a phone jack on the end? i want to use the modem my computer has. Or do i have to get another type of cable and get vision.What you are describing is the capability for a wireless/cellphone to carry an analog modem signal as an analog/voice-like signal. I believe that capability was last available in the CDPD feature of AMPS (analog cell). There may still be that residual capability in some of the remaining AMPS networks, but it has long been considered obsolete, deprecated and I don't know of any carrier that actively offers it. It had a maximum data rate of 9.6kbs (very slow) and worked with only some analog modems. It was also generally very expensive.

The next data capability of wireless is the 2G CDMA or CPD GSM data services. These data services carry the data over wireless by DIGITAL signals not analog modem signals. They still permit the dialing up of arbitrary analog modems/dialup services/ISPs/fax machines, but the real modem is at the carrier's site and the modem interface is *emulated* (unlike CPDP, no RJ-11 phone jack is provided, instead your computer views the phone as a modem and communication is like with other external modems, via serial/USB port). These data services are *also* considered obsolete, but are mostly still available (Sprint: Wireless Web, VZW: QNC, Cingular/GSM: CPD). They max out at around 14.4Kbs (still pretty slow).

The most recent, current data services (1rxtt/Vision, EV-DO, GRPS, EDGE) interface the computer also as an emulated modem via serial/USB port. They cannot, however, dialup arbitrary analog modems (ISPs, fax machines, etc). They connect to the Internet directly. They are also considerably faster.

[3G Cables]

What you are describing is the capability for a wireless/cellphone to carry an analog modem signal as an analog/voice-like signal. I believe that capability was last available in the CDPD feature of AMPS (analog cell). There may still be that residual capability in some of the remaining AMPS networks, but it has long been considered obsolete, deprecated and I don't know of any carrier that actively offers it. It had a maximum data rate of 9.6kbs (very slow) and worked with only some analog modems. It was also generally very expensive.

The next data capability of wireless is the 2G CDMA or CPD GSM data services. These data services carry the data over wireless by DIGITAL signals not analog modem signals. They still permit the dialing up of arbitrary analog modems/dialup services/ISPs/fax machines, but the real modem is at the carrier's site and the modem interface is *emulated* (unlike CPDP, no RJ-11 phone jack is provided, instead your computer views the phone as a modem and communication is like with other external modems, via serial/USB port). These data services are *also* considered obsolete, but are mostly still available (Sprint: Wireless Web, VZW: QNC, Cingular/GSM: CPD). They max out at around 14.4Kbs (still pretty slow).

The most recent, current data services (1rxtt/Vision, EV-DO, GRPS, EDGE) interface the computer also as an emulated modem via serial/USB port. They cannot, however, dialup arbitrary analog modems (ISPs, fax machines, etc). They connect to the Internet directly. They are also considerably faster.

Very good explanation.

Let me point out for those that dont know that 1rxtt/Vision, GRPS, EDGE are all roughly at about 144k/sec max transfer rate while EV-DO is at 300-500-k/sec with bursts up to 2Mb/sec which is much much faster.

[scott81425]

ok, datapilot now says it supports hi speed connectivity on the 8300. can anyone verify or deny this?

[3G Cables]

ok, datapilot now says it supports hi speed connectivity on the 8300. can anyone verify or deny this?

I can deny it based on this link http://www.susteen.com/phones_sanyo.htm

Is there another link from thier site that says they support internet connectivity?

[scott81425]

http://www.datapilot.com/techsupport/Sanyo/8300_Frame.htm

thats my datapilot link that says it does support it. ahhhhh!! i'm so confused. i just want to know if i should take this phone back or not!

[3G Cables]

http://www.datapilot.com/techsupport/Sanyo/8300_Frame.htm

thats my datapilot link that says it does support it. ahhhhh!! i'm so confused. i just want to know if i should take this phone back or not!

Looks like a typo on thier website. It has happend before and I have called them on it and they have taken it down before. Sorry that cofused you as I can see how it did.

[danbooth]

I'm with Sheureka, I do so much with my 6600 that if I hooked it up to my laptop it would look like normal usage to sprint.
How do you get your laptop hooked to the internet with the 6600 and will this work with the 6700? I'm new to this.............and I would like to hook up my laptop once in a while.....larger screen.

[sheureka]

How do you get your laptop hooked to the internet with the 6600 and will this work with the 6700? I'm new to this.............and I would like to hook up my laptop once in a while.....larger screen.There are instructions and drivers included on the CD that came with your phone. They are in a folder called "OEM" -> "Apps" -> "PPC6600 & PPC6601 USB WModem." I don't think anybody knows about the 6700 until it gets released. - sheureka

[3G Cables]

How do you get your laptop hooked to the internet with the 6600 and will this work with the 6700? I'm new to this.............and I would like to hook up my laptop once in a while.....larger screen.

Where did you get your 6700 for Sprint? I called up Sprint and they said the 6700 was now available but only at certain stores. I wont believe it till I see it.

:scare:

[htopgreen]

just an update to everyone, Sprint is tracking usage very hard on Phone as modem, so be careful. (Basically anything over 10mb a month will get you looked at, if you consistently hit 20mb or above be looking for a letter asking you to pay for a data usage plan.)
For all the people having problems with Sanyos or for anyone using the phone as modem, try connecting with #222.

Edit: If you get caught it is now 2 cents per kilobyte, regardaless if you have vision or not. Also sprint is claiming speeds of 230.4 kbps, which isn't bad. it's not my 3 mbps DSL, but not bad.

[3G Cables]

just an update to everyone, Sprint is tracking usage very hard on Phone as modem, so be careful. (Basically anything over 10mb a month will get you looked at, if you consistently hit 20mb or above be looking for a letter asking you to pay for a data usage plan.)
For all the people having problems with Sanyos or for anyone using the phone as modem, try connecting with #222.

Edit: If you get caught it is now 2 cents per kilobyte, regardaless if you have vision or not. Also sprint is claiming speeds of 230.4 kbps, which isn't bad. it's not my 3 mbps DSL, but not bad.

Hi,

Since this was your first post here would you mind telling us where and how you got this information. I and many others will not believe this unless you give some credible source. If you just "heard it" as a rumor that means nothing.

You could very well be right but with no proof this is just another rumor.

Has *anyone* ever connected with a Sanyo (or any other phone for that matter) with #222 ? That is a new one to me and it would be interesting to know.

I know there are some things going on because my buddy in San Francisco today had an “EV” icon pop up on his PPC-6600!!!! That means that EV-DO is at least being beta tested in his area.

[monkeyboy]

just an update to everyone, Sprint is tracking usage very hard on Phone as modem, so be careful. (Basically anything over 10mb a month will get you looked at, if you consistently hit 20mb or above be looking for a letter asking you to pay for a data usage plan.)Its very hard to believe that 10MB/mo has now been set as the trigger/threshold for scrutiny. That would be like visiting 5 websites a month. I use up that much on my phone just browsing www.imdb.com reading movie reviews during one visit to Blockbuster. I might believe 100MB... and if you said 10MB per DAY, that would be more like it...

[3G Cables]

Its very hard to believe that 10MB has now been set as the trigger/threshold for scrutiny. That would be like visiting websites a month. I use up that much on my phone just browsing www.imdb.com reading movie reviews during one visit to Blockbuster. I might believe 100MB...

I totally agree. Lets see what this one-poster has to say where he got his/her info. Rumors are Rumors until proven.

[htopgreen]

sorry I guess I should have given a source. I work for a sprint affiliate, I recently recieved an training email that was sent out to update all reps with the $25 40mb phone as modem data usage plan. Here are some exerpts from the email.

....In the past, customers who have used their phones as a modem have been caught and charged two cents per kil-a-bite used. Sprint has a department that searches for high end users of this service....

...Once installed, the process is easy. The cable is plugged into the phone and computer. By dialing #222, your phone will connect to the internet at around 230.4 kps, at the most. For the most part, the actual surfing speed is comparable to that of dial-up. It is also important to educate the customer to never use a “dial-up” service with this, such as AOL. The battery life as a modem is approximate to that of talk time...

The other part of the email listed places were customers could buy the data cable and software to use with it. Sprint will not be carrying the cables and software themselves.

[3G Cables]

sorry I guess I should have given a source. I work for a sprint affiliate, I recently recieved an training email that was sent out to update all reps with the $25 40mb phone as modem data usage plan. Here are some exerpts from the email.

....In the past, customers who have used their phones as a modem have been caught and charged two cents per kil-a-bite used. Sprint has a department that searches for high end users of this service....

...Once installed, the process is easy. The cable is plugged into the phone and computer. By dialing #222, your phone will connect to the internet at around 230.4 kps, at the most. For the most part, the actual surfing speed is comparable to that of dial-up. It is also important to educate the customer to never use a “dial-up” service with this, such as AOL. The battery life as a modem is approximate to that of talk time...

The other part of the email listed places were customers could buy the data cable and software to use with it. Sprint will not be carrying the cables and software themselves.

Sprint used the words customers which were “caught"? And they refer a list of places to purchase the data cables even though several of the Sanyo phones include the data cable? That seems awfully strange to me.

Again, has ANYONE here had success in dialing in with #222?

You are saying this was an *official* Sprint training email directly from Sprint?

[htopgreen]

it was a training email directly from an affiliate of sprint. Like I said before, I work for a sprint affiliate, not sprint corporate. I can only assume that the person who sent me this recieved their info directly form sprint, but yes it was an 'official' reference guide for people who bring in letters about data misusage and/or people who want to use their phone as a modem.

[monkeyboy]

....In the past, customers who have used their phones as a modem have been caught and charged two cents per kil-a-bite used. Sprint has a department that searches for high end users of this service....

...Once installed, the process is easy. The cable is plugged into the phone and computer. By dialing #222, your phone will connect to the internet at around 230.4 kps, at the most. For the most part, the actual surfing speed is comparable to that of dial-up. It is also important to educate the customer to never use a “dial-up” service with this, such as AOL. The battery life as a modem is approximate to that of talk time...Interesting that this missive is replete with technical errors...

1) One dials #777 not #222.
2) The speeds attains are not "around (sic)" 230.4 kps (kps?!?!) but 60-120kbs (maxing at 144kbs). The 230.4kbs figure is the PC port serial data rate. What is a "kil-a-bite" ? A meal of freshly caught game ?
3) Battery life is NOT similar to voice airtime, but far less, hence the great advantage of USB charging data cables.

Given the multiple errors in this email, and the could-you-be-a-little-more-vague nature of the "Sprint has a department that searches for high end users of this service...." statement (note that only "high end users" are mentioned, and note "searches" as if some effort is involve in identifying such people), I'd say this "info" amounts to a big yawn...

Certainly don't see where 10MB/mo comes out of this...

[3G Cables]

Interesting that this missive is replete with technical errors...

1) One dials #777 not #222.
2) The speeds attains are not "around (sic)" 230.4 kps (kps?!?!) but 60-120kbs (maxing at 144kbs). The 230.4kbs figure is the PC port serial data rate. What is a "kil-a-bite" ? A meal of freshly caught game ?
3) Battery life is NOT similar to voice airtime, but far less, hence the great advantage of USB charging data cables.

Given the multiple errors in this email, and the could-you-be-a-little-more-vague nature of the "Sprint has a department that searches for high end users of this service...." statement (note that only "high end users" are mentioned, and note "searches" as if some effort is involve in identifying such people), I'd say this "info" amounts to a big yawn...

Certainly don't see where 10MB/mo comes out of this...

And the biggest rumor killer on this one is NO ONE has been able to dial in with #222 on ANY phone. Straight up rumor until this single fact is proven.

Thanks for your info htopgreen but I think you have been fooled by someone.

[Publisher]

And the biggest rumor killer on this one is NO ONE has been able to dial in with #222 on ANY phone. Straight up rumor until this single fact is proven.

Thanks for your info htopgreen but I think you have been fooled by someone.

Regarding #222: "For Sprint PCS Phone Accessories, dial #222 TALK from your Sprint PCS Phone or call us toll-free at 800-974-2221". (From http://www1.sprintpcs.com/support/contactSprint/ContactUs.jsp as of 9/16/2005)

[3G Cables]

Regarding #222: "For Sprint PCS Phone Accessories, dial #222 TALK from your Sprint PCS Phone or call us toll-free at 800-974-2221". (From http://www1.sprintpcs.com/support/contactSprint/ContactUs.jsp as of 9/16/2005)

Yea, all this just isnt adding up.

[htopgreen]

I thought that the speed seemed a little off, since 230kbps is lite dsl and not dial-up. I did catch the kil-a-bite, I thought that one was funny. There are some real dorks that work for the sprint affiliate I work for. I guess they just messed up. The 10mb came from the call training session, but I wouldn't vouch for that now, considering what they have told me so far has been total crap.

[monkeyboy]

I thought that the speed seemed a little off, since 230kps is lite dsl and not dial-up. I did catch the kil-a-biteFLASH ! Internal Sprint memo...

"The Sprint Data Services Mgmt has decided to crack down on tethered phone-as-modem usage through a plan of entrapment, designed to lure the customer into a TOS violation. We will be baiting customers who use their phones as modems and monitor their lines closely. When such a customer engages in this activity, our special equipment will detect it (known as a "bite"). We will then shutdown that customer's account ("kil-a-bite"). Our models estimate that will should expect to achieve 230.4kps (kills-per-second) with this strategy. We must and shall protect our network from this illegal activity which is sapping the vital juices from our company. That is all..."

[ironskilit]

I just recently hooked my phone up to the web using engadget's tutorial on how to use your phone as a modem... now I am scared to even surf the web w/ it because of the new vision plans... I know that I can get 40 mb per month for 25 dollars, but is it going to be worth it to take the plan... I think I'll be downloading a lot of stuff... don't know how the data usage is calculated... so I just want to know if I should just go w/ a other web provider...

[3G Cables]

FLASH ! Internal Sprint memo...

"The Sprint Data Services Mgmt has decided to crack down on tethered phone-as-modem usage through a plan of entrapment, designed to lure the customer into a TOS violation. We will be baiting customers who use their phones as modems and monitor their lines closely. When such a customer engages in this activity, our special equipment will detect it (known as a "bite"). We will then shutdown that customer's account ("kil-a-bite"). Our models estimate that will should expect to achieve 230.4kps (kills-per-second) with this strategy. We must and shall protect our network from this illegal activity which is sapping the vital juices from our company. That is all..."

:lol: HAHHAHAHAHHAA! :lol:

[3G Cables]

I just recently hooked my phone up to the web using engadget's tutorial on how to use your phone as a modem... now I am scared to even surf the web w/ it because of the new vision plans... I know that I can get 40 mb per month for 25 dollars, but is it going to be worth it to take the plan... I think I'll be downloading a lot of stuff... don't know how the data usage is calculated... so I just want to know if I should just go w/ a other web provider...

I wouldnt worry too much, this "Sprint Internal Memo" has turned out to be bogus.

However, if you do use too much data then they will flag you. However, there are new data plans and even if you purchase the cheapest plan, there is a $90 cap. Yea, $90 is expensive but at least you wont need to worry about getting flagged, shut off, or charged thousands of dollars like they use to in the past.

[fl00d_pr0z]

FLASH ! Internal Sprint memo...

"The Sprint Data Services Mgmt has decided to crack down on tethered phone-as-modem usage through a plan of entrapment, designed to lure the customer into a TOS violation. We will be baiting customers who use their phones as modems and monitor their lines closely. When such a customer engages in this activity, our special equipment will detect it (known as a "bite"). We will then shutdown that customer's account ("kil-a-bite"). Our models estimate that will should expect to achieve 230.4kps (kills-per-second) with this strategy. We must and shall protect our network from this illegal activity which is sapping the vital juices from our company. That is all..."

What's up with that ? Did Sprint really state that or is this just a joke that I didn't get ? :lol:

[3G Cables]

What's up with that ? Did Sprint really state that or is this just a joke that I didn't get ? :lol:

A joke that you did not get.

[ironskilit]

well, hope I can manage my time spent on the web and data flow...

[monkeyboy]

well, hope I can manage my time spent on the web and data flow...Well, here's a joke that *I* did not get...

or are you trying to do an "ebb and flow" thing...

or using your web to catch a "bite"...

or somehow the great comedy here is preventing you from managing your time...

did I miss anything ? (We're all Bozos on this bus...)

(people probably don't even know what a Bozo is, nor what Firesign Theater is.... (sigh)...)

[ironskilit]

got mine working at 920 kbps... was awesome... just had to check e-mail and that's all... kinda sucks

[3G Cables]

got mine working at 920 kbps... was awesome... just had to check e-mail and that's all... kinda sucks

You must mean a data card. There is no Sprint phone that will get EV-DO yet, please explain.

[sheureka]

You must mean a data card. There is no Sprint phone that will get EV-DO yet, please explain.The PPC6700 is EVDO. - sheureka

[3G Cables]

The PPC6700 is EVDO. - sheureka

Yes but:

1. It is only available in business channels
2. The person shows they own an 8100

[ironskilit]

You must mean a data card. There is no Sprint phone that will get EV-DO yet, please explain.

Well all I did was go to the control panel and chose network connections... then I chose properties on my Sanyo modem and the Sanyo Modem Properties came up... from there I chose to configure my modem... then on the drop down list I chose 921600 and checked all three boxes below it... I applied it and restarted my browser... viola!!! I'm connected at 921.6 kbps as oppose to 120 kbps... hope this answers your concerns... :music:

[3G Cables]

Well all I did was go to the control panel and chose network connections... then I chose properties on my Sanyo modem and the Sanyo Modem Properties came up... from there I chose to configure my modem... then on the drop down list I chose 921600 and checked all three boxes below it... I applied it and restarted my browser... viola!!! I'm connected at 921.6 kbps as oppose to 120 kbps... hope this answers your concerns... :music:

Keep on playing your violin :music: I hate to burst your bubble but that is the speed that your phone is communicating with your COMPTUER. Not the speed that your are connected from the phone to the Vision network thus your total throughput speed is only as good as your weakest link and your weakest link is no more than 144k/sec.

I can explain more if you are still confused. I know it is a little confusing.

[ironskilit]

lol... I realized that... which is why I kind of safely chose to say "connected", didn't specifically say to what though... so I wasn't right, but I wasn't completely wrong... sorry, I'm a noob... have lots to learn... but thanks for the clarification...

[ironskilit]

still not bad... I'd rather be at 144 kbps than 56 k or less... ya know...

[3G Cables]

lol... I realized that... which is why I kind of safely chose to say "connected", didn't specifically say to what though... so I wasn't right, but I wasn't completely wrong... sorry, I'm a noob... have lots to learn... but thanks for the clarification...

It is a common mistake that you made. Many people think the same thing. No worries, as long as you understand it now. Yea, 144k is not bad; I have used my cell phone as a modem for years every time I have traveled. I feel that I couldn’t have lived without it. It is VERY convenient to say the least.

[achima]

in dial up properties what is the user name and password?

[3G Cables]

in dial up properties what is the user name and password?

You leave both blank.

[Sneaker]

"Would you like to squeeze the Wheeze?"

[samsungfan]

The instruction manual for the PPC 6700 explains how to set up a dial-up-networking for your computer and the phone .... it seems odd that the instructions tell you how to do it, but Sprint says you shouldn't do it.

[3G Cables]

The instruction manual for the PPC 6700 explains how to set up a dial-up-networking for your computer and the phone .... it seems odd that the instructions tell you how to do it, but Sprint says you shouldn't do it.

The 6700 is a bit different in that it supports EV-DO where it might be OK to hook up a data cable for dialup networking and paying the EV-DO data rate.

[sheureka]

The 6700 is a bit different in that it supports EV-DO where it might be OK to hook up a data cable for dialup networking and paying the EV-DO data rate.The instructions are also on the CD that came with the 6600, and it doesn't appear that there is any difference in the data rates anyway. - sheureka

[3G Cables]

The instructions are also on the CD that came with the 6600, and it doesn't appear that there is any difference in the data rates anyway. - sheureka

The 6600 is different in that it is sold for both Sprint and Verizon. You can use dialup networking for Verizon but not Sprint with the 6600. Well, you can, but you know what I mean. They are not going to write separate instruction manuals for the same phone for different providers.

[sheureka]

The 6600 is different in that it is sold for both Sprint and Verizon. You can use dialup networking for Verizon but not Sprint with the 6600. Well, you can, but you know what I mean. They are not going to write separate instruction manuals for the same phone for different providers.Except that the modem drivers and instructions didn't come on the Verizon CD - they were only included on the Sprint CD. - sheureka

[3G Cables]

Except that the modem drivers and instructions didn't come on the Verizon CD - they were only included on the Sprint CD. - sheureka

What do you think this would imply?

In my professional opinion for there to be any "blame" put on Sprint or Verizon they would need to include all components to make DUN happen.

1. Instructions on how set up DUN in the instruction manual.
2. Drivers included on a CD or link in print.
3. The phone number to dial or software to dial out referenced somewhere in the users manual. (I have never seen anywhere officially for Sprint or Verizon where they tell you to dial #777

Not all three of these components accompany any phone so I think they have a legal leg to stand on and there is nothing we can do about it.

However my personal view is I wish we did :)

[sheureka]

What do you think this would imply?

In my professional opinion for there to be any "blame" put on Sprint or Verizon they would need to include all components to make DUN happen.

1. Instructions on how set up DUN in the instruction manual.
2. Drivers included on a CD or link in print.
3. The phone number to dial or software to dial out referenced somewhere in the users manual. (I have never seen anywhere officially for Sprint or Verizon where they tell you to dial #777

Not all three of these components accompany any phone so I think they have a legal leg to stand on and there is nothing we can do about it.

However my personal view is I wish we did :)
It's all on the 6600 CD - including the drivers for the PC and very detailed instructions for connecting (with #777). - sheureka

[3G Cables]

It's all on the 6600 CD - including the drivers for the PC and very detailed instructions for connecting (with #777). - sheureka

Well then, do it, use all you can, then if they have a problem tell them it was in the users manual. Sounds good to me =) Plus I think you have said here before you have used it unlimited and never had any problems. Is that an accurate statement? This could mean that any PDA type phones are exempt from any data over-usage. It would be interesting to see how people are dialing into EV-DO. If it is just the usual #777? I would assume it is.

[radiorange]

Hello folks.

As indicated earlier in this thread, I was going to file mandatory arbitration action against Sprint for taking the position that I could not use my phone as a modem under the Wireless Web feature on my account.

The issue: I was told by Sprint reps that I could not use my phone as a modem under the Wireless Web plan on my account. Haven't done so in a couple years, because I have a data card. However, I wanted to retain the right.

I asked Sprint twice in letters to clarify that I had the right to use phone as modem under Wireless Web. They refused to so clarify, letting the rep's ban on using phone as modem stand.

Sprint's customer non-service pissed me off enough that in August I filed for arbitration, paying the $125 arbitration fee, to bring the issue to clarity once and for all.

Sprint hired a local attorney.

The arbitrator was picked and we all had a conference call to set a hearing date, which was December 7, 2005.

Right before Thanksgiving Sprint indicated through the local attorney that Sprint had removed their objection.

Last week Sprint's local attorney sent me a proposed settlement agreement. It did not contain language that said I was authorized to use the phone as modem.

I rewrote the agreement to include that language and to also reimburse me for the filing fee plus $5/month for each of three months denied the use of phone as modem.

At the end of last week, the local attorney sent to me a minor revision of my revision which was acceptable. On December 3, 2005, I signed the agreement and sent back to the attorney.

On December 6, 2005, I still had not received back an agreement signed by Sprint. I filed my brief, 71 pages with appendices.

Shortly after filing the brief, I got the settlement agreement, signed by Sprint attorney.

Here's text of the agreement:

===begin agreement===

MUTUAL RELEASE OF CLAIMS

IN CONSIDERATION of the payment one hundred forty dollars ($140.00) by Sprint Spectrum L.P. and all its related entities ("Sprint") to Bruce Miller ("Miller") as set out herein, Sprint and Miller mutually release and discharge each other from any and all actions, causes of action, claims, damages, compensation and liability of any kind, arising out of the subject matter of Miller v. Sprint, JAMS arbitration # 1160015917.

Sprint agrees that Miller is authorized to use Sprint's Wireless Web Service in a manner that complies with the terms and conditions established by Sprint for the use of that Service under account number 00xx783278-7, and that the parties currently understand those terms and conditions to mean that Miller may use the Wireless Web Service in an unlimited manner, including the use of the phone as a modem, as long he pays for the Wireless Web Service per the terms and conditions, including the specified per minute rate for any minutes in excess of his plan's anytime minutes (currently 750 per month), but that the per minute rate does not apply during the unlimited calling times on his account. Miller agrees that his current handset used with Sprint services is not a Vision capable device and that this agreement does not apply to any Vision services offered by Sprint.

Payment to Miller will be made by credit to his Sprint account number 00xx783278-7, within 30 days after the date of this Agreement. Sprint's failure to so credit the account allows Miller to seek payment through lawsuit in a Washington State court.

The undersigned state that they have carefully read the foregoing release and know the contents thereof, and sign the same as their own free act.

DATED this 3rd day of December, 2005.

===end agreement===

Hello folks.

As indicated earlier in this thread, I was going to file mandatory arbitration action against Sprint for them taking the position that I could not use my phone as a modem under the Wireless Web feature on my account.

The issue: I was told by Sprint reps that I could not use my phone as a modem under the Wireless Web plan on my account. Haven't done so in a couple years, because I have a data card. However, I wanted to retain the right, even at the painfully slow data rate.

I asked Sprint twice in letters to clarify that I had the right to use phone as modem under Wireless Web. They refused to so clarify, letting the rep's ban on using phone as modem stand.

Sprint's customer non-service pissed me off enough that in August I filed for arbitration, paying the $125 arbitration fee, to bring the issue to clarity once and for all.

Sprint hired a local attorney.

The arbitrator was picked and we all had a conference call to set a hearing date, which was December 7, 2005.

Right before Thanksgiving Sprint indicated through the local attorney that Sprint had removed their objection.

Last week Sprint's local attorney sent me a proposed settlement agreement. It did not contain language that said I was authorized to use the phone as modem.

I rewrote the agreement to include that language and to also reimburse me for the filing fee plus $5/month for each of three months denied the use of phone as modem.

At the end of last week, the local attorney sent to me a minor revision of my revision which was acceptable. On December 3, 2005, I signed the agreement and sent back to the attorney.

On December 6, 2005, I still had not received back an agreement signed by Sprint. I filed my brief, 71 pages with appendices.

Shortly after filing the brief, I got the settlement agreement, signed by Sprint attorney.

Here's text of the agreement:

===begin agreement===

MUTUAL RELEASE OF CLAIMS

IN CONSIDERATION of the payment one hundred forty dollars ($140.00) by Sprint Spectrum L.P. and all its related entities ("Sprint") to Bruce Miller ("Miller") as set out herein, Sprint and Miller mutually release and discharge each other from any and all actions, causes of action, claims, damages, compensation and liability of any kind, arising out of the subject matter of Miller v. Sprint, JAMS arbitration # 1160015917.

Sprint agrees that Miller is authorized to use Sprint's Wireless Web Service in a manner that complies with the terms and conditions established by Sprint for the use of that Service under account number 00xx783278-7, and that the parties currently understand those terms and conditions to mean that Miller may use the Wireless Web Service in an unlimited manner, including the use of the phone as a modem, as long he pays for the Wireless Web Service per the terms and conditions, including the specified per minute rate for any minutes in excess of his plan's anytime minutes (currently 750 per month), but that the per minute rate does not apply during the unlimited calling times on his account. Miller agrees that his current handset used with Sprint services is not a Vision capable device and that this agreement does not apply to any Vision services offered by Sprint.

Payment to Miller will be made by credit to his Sprint account number 00xx783278-7, within 30 days after the date of this Agreement. Sprint's failure to so credit the account allows Miller to seek payment through lawsuit in a Washington State court.

The undersigned state that they have carefully read the foregoing release and know the contents thereof, and sign the same as their own free act.

DATED this 3rd day of December, 2005.

===end agreement===

It is very clear that I have the right to use the phone as modem under Wireless Web (even though it would be a last resort for me, considering I have a data card), in part because of their language (in an excerpt from my brief):

Sprint includes in its Terms and Conditions, served on Sprint and filed with JAMS for this arbitration (Appendix E; page 6 of 15 in Appendix E), the following language regarding Wireless Web:

Wireless Web. Wireless Web Services may be available depending on your device and Service plan/option. This is not a Vision service. Usage is calculated on minutes used and generally deducts from your Service plan minutes. See our printed in-store materials or visit www.sprintpcs.com for additional important information on this option. [Italics added.]

Wireless Web is further defined and described by one of Sprint’s web pages (see Appendix F), including the following language:

Sprint PCS Wireless Web Connection – Allows you to use your Sprint PCS Phone in place of a computer modem. Whatever you've done before by connecting via a telephone wall jack, you can now do with your Sprint PCS Phone and a Sprint PCS Connection Kit. With Sprint PCS Wireless Web Connection, your computer connects over the Sprint Nationwide PCS Network, giving you the freedom to access information when and where you choose. [Italics added.]

The above text clearly shows that:

1) the phone under Wireless Web can be connected to a computer

2) the computer-cell phone connection under Wireless Web is to replace the typical landline configuration of a) computer-modem-wall jack or b) built-in modem in a laptop connected to a wall jack.

3) Sprint has contemplated the use of the cell phone as a modem under Wireless Web

The motto for me: read the terms and conditions carefully and if Sprint is unwilling to conform to its own terms and conditions, take them to arbitration.

[3G Cables]

That’s a lot of work but I am glad you got what you wanted. Do you realize the definition of the "Sprint Wireless Web" consists of only 14.4k/sec and must route through Sprints modem pools in which many areas no longer support and none of the new phones support? That is the Wireless Web. Now if you are talking about Vision, that is a different network, and if you are talking about EV-DO that is a faster protocol on the Vision network.

I suppose if you are happy with spotty wireless web coverage and 14.4k/sec then great.

Please share with us what you thought “Wireless Web” meant and if you think that the terms you set up above include more than I have listed.

[MacPCS]

actually it explicitly states that it is not a vision service.

[3G Cables]

actually it explicitly states that it is not a vision service.

Yea, that is why it baffles me why someone would go through all that work to get a measly 14.4k/sec and spotty data coverage. So I am just checking if they realize that.

[radiorange]

I went to the trouble not for the 14.4 connection that Wireless Web provides, but because I don't like Sprint reps telling me things I know are not true and Executive Services allowing that untrue information stand. Sprint was not conforming to its own Terms and Conditions and I called them on it.

[3G Cables]

I went to the trouble not for the 14.4 connection that Wireless Web provides, but because I don't like Sprint reps telling me things I know are not true and Executive Services allowing that untrue information stand. Sprint was not conforming to its own Terms and Conditions and I called them on it.

Cool. If you feel accomplished and better about it that is all that matters :)

[TartMyWay]

Becareful, if your account is not setup for data use, could mean big money out of pocket.

[samsungfan]

Has anybody received one of those "cease and desist" letters on using the phone as a modem, who uses the PPC 6700/EVDO? (I presume most of us have a $15/month unlimited power vision plan)

I agree with previous posters that it seems ludicrous to include instructions for using the phone as a modem and the drivers, etc on the CD and then tell users they can't do so.

I personally don't use the DUN (I have tried it for curiousity and to have it set-up for "just in case" use in the future) ... I usually just end up using the phone browser alone..... however, it irritates me that Sprint has handled it in this way.

Also, how can they tell the unit is connected to a computer anyways .... with EV-DO and many of us streaming audio and video to our phones, I am sure many people's usage is considerable (I know I have streamed music for an hour at a time in some cases) .... I doubt a "MB limit" could be used anymore to identify DUN users..... unless Sprint also starts forbidding people to stream media to their phones despite their "unlimited vision plans."

This just doesn't make sense. Anybody have ideas?

[Edwood]

Seeing as how the 6700 "dials in" using #777 (I see that it does that when connecting to Sprint Vision), can Sprint tell if you are using DUN vs. the 6700?

-Ed

[areehal]

I bought the cable last week from 3G for my VM4050. Great service and pretty good instructions. Had it up and working in 15 minutes - they provide the modem driver on their website. Connection was so good I canceled my TMobile Hotspot service which was costing me $29.95 a month!

[areehal]

I went to the trouble not for the 14.4 connection that Wireless Web provides, but because I don't like Sprint reps telling me things I know are not true and Executive Services allowing that untrue information stand. Sprint was not conforming to its own Terms and Conditions and I called them on it.

I applaud you for standing up to Sprint and WINNING! :clap:
Three cheers - hip hip hurrah! hip hip hurrah! hip hip hurrah!

[dakleenupman]

Seeing as how the 6700 "dials in" using #777 (I see that it does that when connecting to Sprint Vision), can Sprint tell if you are using DUN vs. the 6700?

-Ed


I remember reading that they can track your usage by where you go to get your information and they are able to determine the data transfer difference between cell phonee browsers and capabilities versus a laptops capabilities.

People have been caught and warned and I do even believe they have been cancelled as well. I have since discontinued use for this reason as well as the fact I now own an 8300 :( not by choice. My 7400 was worthy of tethering and I was hoping to keep that phone forever. Boy did that NOT happen.

[Edwood]

I remember reading that they can track your usage by where you go to get your information and they are able to determine the data transfer difference between cell phonee browsers and capabilities versus a laptops capabilities.


How?

Unless you are using P2P software 24/7, perhaps they might wise up. Otherwise, if they don't have a scheme like the Dual NAI on current EVDO phones, then how can they tell the difference?

There are a lot of streaming applications like ORB where tons of bandwidth is used constantly. Streaming radio, video, etc.

If you use the Sprint Spyware Connection Manager, then of course they can track your usage. And as a bonus the software caps your max connection speed. :rolleyes:

So the question is:

Has anyone confirmed someone owning a PPC-6700, Sanyo 9000, (and posibly Samsung A940) getting a "cease and desist" Text message or Letter from Sprint for using their Phone as a Modem without the Phone as a Modem plan?

-Ed

[larado10]

I have a mm7500 i recieved a text message saying I needed to contact sprint about a data plan ignored week later phone no longer conects to internet drops

[3G Cables]

I have a mm7500 i recieved a text message saying I needed to contact sprint about a data plan ignored week later phone no longer conects to internet drops

http://www.pcsintel.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1216

Sprint has turned on what is known as Modem NAI, a new tethering monitoring system in almost all Power Vision devices that will ensure that Power Vision phones have the required Phone-As-Modem plan to be able to connect to the internet. This includes the Sanyo MM-9000, Samsung MM-A900, MM-A920, and MM-A940. The only exception to this rule is the PPC-6700, which does not support Modem NAI, and will continue to be able to tether without a PAM plan.

Customers who attempt to tether on an EV-DO phone without a PAM plan will receive either no error or an authentication failure message on their phone. Hackers on many sites have posted, and confirmed that there is an existing method on EV-DO Samsung phones to disable Modem NAI, for which Sprint PCS Info is currently providing coverage of.

Existing Vision devices will continue to be able to tether without a PAM plan, though Sprint encourages those customers to sign up for a PAM plan.

[Edwood]

http://www.pcsintel.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1216

Sprint has turned on what is known as Modem NAI, a new tethering monitoring system in almost all Power Vision devices that will ensure that Power Vision phones have the required Phone-As-Modem plan to be able to connect to the internet. This includes the Sanyo MM-9000, Samsung MM-A900, MM-A920, and MM-A940. The only exception to this rule is the PPC-6700, which does not support Modem NAI, and will continue to be able to tether without a PAM plan.

Customers who attempt to tether on an EV-DO phone without a PAM plan will receive either no error or an authentication failure message on their phone. Hackers on many sites have posted, and confirmed that there is an existing method on EV-DO Samsung phones to disable Modem NAI, for which Sprint PCS Info is currently providing coverage of.

Existing Vision devices will continue to be able to tether without a PAM plan, though Sprint encourages those customers to sign up for a PAM plan.


Of course Sprint forgot that some phones like the A900 have an option to turn of NAI, and people are still connecting.

They can probably still track usage, but they can't stop the actual connection, until they "patch" the phone's software in the future. And given their inability to fix many problems (particulary bluetooth), I doubt anyone will believe a "new" patch that is released in the near future is anything other than an attempt to remove the ability to disable NAI on the phones.

-Ed

[3G Cables]

Of course Sprint forgot that some phones like the A900 have an option to turn of NAI, and people are still connecting.

They can probably still track usage, but they can't stop the actual connection, until they "patch" the phone's software in the future. And given their inability to fix many problems (particulary bluetooth), I doubt anyone will believe a "new" patch that is released in the near future is anything other than an attempt to remove the ability to disable NAI on the phones.

-Ed

Verizon is currently sending out such patches.

[Edwood]

Verizon is currently sending out such patches.

LOL, we can wait and see how many complaints pop up then. :p

-Ed

[3G Cables]

LOL, we can wait and see how many complaints pop up then. :p

-Ed

:tu:

[samsungfan]

3G ... that is good information .... but does that mean that Sprint is fine with PPC 6700 users tethering, or just that they can't monitor it and thus can't stop the practice? [I suspect the latter]

[3G Cables]

3G ... that is good information .... but does that mean that Sprint is fine with PPC 6700 users tethering, or just that they can't monitor it and thus can't stop the practice? [I suspect the latter]

Likely the latter but in either case we are good with the 6700 and tethering =)

The 6700 is great for all its frills but is buggy and the touch screen makes me answer calls by accident when I don’t want to =(

Soooo, today I just ordered an A900 for $19.99 and I am going to do a shared minute plan with my 6700.

So I will have the A900 as my “talking” phone and my 6700 as my mobile TV (using Orb), web access, email access, text messenger, calendar, PDA, and tethering tool. I will even share the Power Vision with my A900 so it wont cost me anything (or very little) to use my 6700!!! For me I think that is the best scenario. Sorry I went off on a tangent of info you didn’t ask for, I am just really excited! :tu:

[samsungfan]

3G, That's not a bad idea ... I was thinking of getting another phone-phone like you did ... I was thinking of the "World Phone" since that would be give me international use capability, but I am not sure if it is even available anymore.

I wish there were more GSM/CDMA phones out there.

[Edwood]

Likely the latter but in either case we are good with the 6700 and tethering =)

The 6700 is great for all its frills but is buggy and the touch screen makes me answer calls by accident when I don’t want to =(

Soooo, today I just ordered an A900 for $19.99 and I am going to do a shared minute plan with my 6700.

So I will have the A900 as my “talking” phone and my 6700 as my mobile TV (using Orb), web access, email access, text messenger, calendar, PDA, and tethering tool. I will even share the Power Vision with my A900 so it wont cost me anything (or very little) to use my 6700!!! For me I think that is the best scenario. Sorry I went off on a tangent of info you didn’t ask for, I am just really excited! :tu:

Well, beware of the Bluetooth problems. I ditched my A900 for the 6700 because of those problems. I posted a thread where people listed BT headsets that did work, and the issues they had if they had any. It's posted in the Samsung forum, of course. ;)

I envy my friend's ability to take his SIM card out of his Cingular phone and just put it in just about any other GSM phone, and it just works, so he can switch phones at will, no need to call in for an ESN swap.
But I have unlimited Internet Access from my phone and he doesn't. :p

-Ed

[3G Cables]

Well, beware of the Bluetooth problems. I ditched my A900 for the 6700 because of those problems. I posted a thread where people listed BT headsets that did work, and the issues they had if they had any. It's posted in the Samsung forum, of course. ;)

I envy my friend's ability to take his SIM card out of his Cingular phone and just put it in just about any other GSM phone, and it just works, so he can switch phones at will, no need to call in for an ESN swap.
But I have unlimited Internet Access from my phone and he doesn't. :p

-Ed

I am not planning on using the Bluetooth at all but a data cable to do my transferring on the A900.

Sprint has issued firmware ZA06 for the Samsung MM-A900. This update improves and fixes issues with Bluetooth and Picture Mail. It is a high-priority update; Sprint suggests all A900 owners install this update. To update your A900, go to Menu > Settings > Others > Update Phone Software.

[ubiquityman]

Well, beware of the Bluetooth problems. I ditched my A900 for the 6700 because of those problems.

I went the otherway. Ditched the 6700 and went back to the A900 because I thought overall the voice command and bluetooth worked better. The most annoying thing about the 6700 BT is that if you have the volume off on the 6700, the volume stays off on the BT headset. I'll push the connect button on the headset and I get no response. Then I have to figure out if my headset didn't connect or (usually) if I have the volume off or on vibrate.

On the otherhand, everything worked perfectly on my A900 until yesterday when I was travelling in Phoenix. Half of my BT calls had the phantom ringing on my Mot HS805 headset. Very strange, never had that before.

Still, I'm far happier with the A900+AximX50v and with my 6700.
Now that NAI off and PAM is still working, in hindsight, I'm glad I went with the A900.

[Edwood]

I am not planning on using the Bluetooth at all but a data cable to do my transferring on the A900.

Sprint has issued firmware ZA06 for the Samsung MM-A900. This update improves and fixes issues with Bluetooth and Picture Mail. It is a high-priority update; Sprint suggests all A900 owners install this update. To update your A900, go to Menu > Settings > Others > Update Phone Software.


I had installed ZA06 and it did nothing for the constant Phantom Ringing. The update was mostly for the Picture Mail issues.

-Ed

[3G Cables]

I had installed ZA06 and it did nothing for the constant Phantom Ringing. The update was mostly for the Picture Mail issues.

-Ed

I have a feeling the problem is with your Bluetooth headset. Check the new thread I started on the A900 in the General area.

[lancer]

Hello. I just joined this group since I recently purchased the sanyo mm7500. I have the basic vision package. I am not sure what "tethering" means but I was able to use the 7500 as a modem for my laptop with the sanyo usb driver and dial #777 in network connections. Is this tethering? I have been able to do this until Feb 3rd at which I have not been able to get on. I get the error message of remote computer not responding. I don't know if something happened with my computer or connection, or is it that Sprint has knocked out this so I will buy their "high speed" for $70 a month. Has this happened to anyone else recently? Is there a cheaper alternative since I don't use it much. Thanks!

[TechGuru]

I don't even own a data cable (yet). So if I run a J2ME SlideShow app and let it run 24/7 not cacheing always downloading from the net, would they think I'm using it as a modem?

[Edwood]

I have a feeling the problem is with your Bluetooth headset. Check the new thread I started on the A900 in the General area.

Nope, I switched to a 6700, and have had zero problems with my HBH-662 since. The problem was with the Samsung A900.

-Ed

[one2trek]

just ordered a cable for my 7400, $8.95 + shipping, $15.90

great deal!!!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Hi,
I bought a cable for my 7400 also but cannot seem to get it to work (as a modem). I am also using the connection manager but it doesn't even detect my phone.

Can anyone help?

Thanks.

[3G Cables]

Hi,
I bought a cable for my 7400 also but cannot seem to get it to work (as a modem). I am also using the connection manager but it doesn't even detect my phone.

Can anyone help?

Thanks.

It works, it is either a driver issue or you need to put your phone in USB mode using ##USB#

I am sure there are a few other possibilities but those are you most likely.

[one2trek]

It works, it is either a driver issue or you need to put your phone in USB mode using ##USB#

I am sure there are a few other possibilities but those are you most likely.
I've installed the Sanyomdmxp.inf drivers. There were 2 other driver files available but I chose that one. If that's not the right one, how do I change it?
How do I set it to USB mode? I press ## but the keypad allows me to input numbers only (as if dialing) and no letters.
When I go to pc sync, there's no option for upload/download, only to erase data.
Not sure where/what else to check.

[atl530i]

I've done that before, it is quite amusing that Sprint would say something like that in a letter. But hey, they turned me off over $1 before, so it is not that shocking.

[chuck50954]

Excuse me if I'm repeating something already written here, but ... Sprint knows. Sprint knows everything about your phone and data usage. When I was having problems with my LX350 phone, I had a few long chats with Sprint Tech Support. Because I live less than 1.5 miles from their location (in OKC), the techies were more chatty than typical. The tech support people knew what time I'd got online and off, down to the second, what I tried to do, where in the network I traveled, and whether I was successful in doing it.

It became my impression that Sprint doesn't spend it$ money on customer care, it spends it on deep-data trolling. As an example, Virgin Mobile has an opening in this area right now: http://virginmobileusa.hrdpt.com/cgi-bin/a/highlightjob.cgi?jobid=281 Even though tech jobs have taken it on the chin (and elsewhere) in North America, SAS programmers and statistical analysts don't come cheap.

Wal-Mart was perhaps the first large corporation to get it down pat, but statistical scrutiny of every market, customer and purchase is the way to effectively squeeze every possible dime out of every customer, and every modern corporation is doing it one way or another.

Then of course we have the current fracas between the U.S. gov't and the cell companies over revealing customer calling data. Obviously the cell co's have data to reveal or there would be no argument. My point is that the data is far more specific than you might realize.

[vasanda]

So if I get a treo650 or audioox 6700, I should be ok to use my phone as a modem?

I cuurently have a 8400

[winger]

So if I get a treo650 or audioox 6700, I should be ok to use my phone as a modem?

I cuurently have a 8400technically adn contractually NO unless u have a PAM add-on, but in practice yes.

[vasanda]

so they will ignore me if I have a pda phone?

[winger]

so they will ignore me if I have a pda phone?believe...up to a certain point w/ Treo 650 they won't charge nor bug u. I am thinking on the Treo700, they will charge u data usage straight off.

[vasanda]

If I get the PAM plan can they tell if I go over the 40mb limit?

[Alchemy]

If I get the PAM plan can they tell if I go over the 40mb limit?

Yes. Its really easy to burn up 40MB in a month. Unless you intend to be very frugal with your data usage, that one is not a great plan...

[MickCole]

Yes. Its really easy to burn up 40MB in a month. Unless you intend to be very frugal with your data usage, that one is not a great plan...
It's not hard at all--I routinely burn through well over 100MB/day on my PPC-6601.
Mick

[winger]

It's not hard at all--I routinely burn through well over 100MB/day on my PPC-6601.
MickHey, just for fun, I check this morning during my commute to work.... I hit over 22MB just by watching a couple of short CNBC and CBS clips on my PPC. WOW, that 40 won't even last me one day (round trip to work and back) if I watch just a couple of clips.

[vasanda]

What if I have free PCS Vision instead of power vision does what you folks stated still hold true?

[3G Cables]

What if I have free PCS Vision instead of power vision does what you folks stated still hold true?

Free or not, PCS Vision or Power Vision, its all the same when it comes to them being able to check your data. They can check it if they want.

[Palmkrawler]

I tether my Sony-Ericsson T608 with my Ipaq
all the time (Bluetooth Modem).

But the phone is just 1xrtt.

I burn about 3MB-5MB per day of data....and that is not
every day. About 4 or 5 days a week.

I don't think I have much to worry about being on
the grandfathered $10 Unlimted Vision Plan.

[azz777]

does your tether usage show up in the phone under life data?

just got a920 today, and I have nai off, but the life data doesn't seem correct since it shows only
7599kbyte

even though I downloaded a 10mb ebook to my laptop today.

anyone knows why? thanks

Activation Date: 06/20/2006
Life Timer: 15m
Life Data: 7599kbyte
Refurbished: No

[sheureka]

even though I downloaded a 10mb ebook to my laptop today.
Where in the world did you find a 10mb ebook? :scare: War and Peace (the longest book I could think of) is only 3mb! - sheureka

[3G Cables]

does your tether usage show up in the phone under life data?

just got a920 today, and I have nai off, but the life data doesn't seem correct since it shows only
7599kbyte

even though I downloaded a 10mb ebook to my laptop today.

anyone knows why? thanks

Activation Date: 06/20/2006
Life Timer: 15m
Life Data: 7599kbyte
Refurbished: No

Good question and here is the test. Look at the life data before you connect, then spend a little time tethered, then check it immediatly after your session and check it again. Dont forget the k to kb conversion factor.

[azz777]

hi 3G Cables, just did the test, no, life data didn't show when I tether with nai off.
what about yours?

[tecedo52]

Does anyone know if the toshiba vm4050 has NAI that needs to be turned off for use as a usb modem? I just ordered the cable from 3G and would like info about speed, monitoring, #777, etc.. I am new to this forum and this is my first post. Please help!!!!!!!

[3G Cables]

hi 3G Cables, just did the test, no, life data didn't show when I tether with nai off.
what about yours?

Ok, so we now know it does not show up on the phone itself but we still don’t know if it shows up in Sprint's database which it may or may not. There is no way to tell at all unless you work in a high level position at Sprint (as far as it showing up in their databases). We can only assume.

[3G Cables]

Does anyone know if the toshiba vm4050 has NAI that needs to be turned off for use as a usb modem? I just ordered the cable from 3G and would like info about speed, monitoring, #777, etc.. I am new to this forum and this is my first post. Please help!!!!!!!

NAI is only implemented into fairly new phones. The VM4050 is quite old in terms of the product line so no, you will not need to turn off NAI on the VM4050 to make it tether. Yes, you use #777 to dial in, and speed is 1xRtt not EV-DO so you can expect speeds up to 144k/sec with full signal. Not the great speeds like EV-DO but still reasonable for casual use.

[kirky]

3G do u all sell charging data cables? if im online with my phone as modem i want to keep the battery going?? thanks

[3G Cables]

3G do u all sell charging data cables? if im online with my phone as modem i want to keep the battery going?? thanks

No we do not sell charging cables. This has been discussed in length many times here. Thanks

[jgsx]

Why not 3G? After our lengthy discussion where I proved that charging cables are safe, you said that you were going to start selling them. Then you had my entire thread deleted

[3G Cables]

Why not 3G? After our lengthy discussion where I proved that charging cables are safe, you said that you were going to start selling them. Then you had my entire thread deleted

I didn’t have any thread deleted. And I personally know one person who fried their phone with a charging cable. Therefore it is my opinion still that charging cables can fry phones because it has happened.

This has been discussed and beaten to death. Therefore that is my position and I am not going to comment on it further.

Replying to this and trying to resurrect something that has already been fully discussed would be redundant.

[jgsx]

LOL, I can't believe that you're still sticking with that logic. Over the course of history, OEM wall chargers have fried phones. According to your logic, OEM chargers are not safe because there has been a case where one fried a phone.

You insisted that OEM charging cables do not exist, and that was proven to be incorrect as well. You insisted that safe charging cables require some form of regulator, and that was shown to be incorrect as well.

After a whole barrage of knowledgeable people tore your incorrect standpoint apart, you finally gave in and said that charging cables are fine, and that you would sell them. You even went as far as going back and editing your earlier posts where you laughed at me and others for our viewpoints which were PROVEN to be correct, and yours were PROVEN to be flat out wrong.

Then after a few days, you requested that thread deleted because you are a sponsor and have that power. Also, your sticky about charging cables frying phones quietly disappeared.

You probably couldn't get the charging cables at the same price that you get your current cables for, so you still resort to scare tactics to scare people away from your competitor’s products. To this day, you still INTENTIONALLY and KNOWINGLY give people misleading information.

[kirky]

WOW is that true????? that wouldnt be nice 3G??? well anyway,didnt mean to start this, i just asked, srry, i bought one elsewhere, but hey 3G i bought a cable from u a while back so np with u....:)

[3G Cables]

LOL, I can't believe that you're still sticking with that logic. Over the course of history, OEM wall chargers have fried phones. According to your logic, OEM chargers are not safe because there has been a case where one fried a phone.

You insisted that OEM charging cables do not exist, and that was proven to be incorrect as well. You insisted that safe charging cables require some form of regulator, and that was shown to be incorrect as well.

After a whole barrage of knowledgeable people tore your incorrect standpoint apart, you finally gave in and said that charging cables are fine, and that you would sell them. You even went as far as going back and editing your earlier posts where you laughed at me and others for our viewpoints which were PROVEN to be correct, and yours were PROVEN to be flat out wrong.

Then after a few days, you requested that thread deleted because you are a sponsor and have that power. Also, your sticky about charging cables frying phones quietly disappeared.

You probably couldn't get the charging cables at the same price that you get your current cables for, so you still resort to scare tactics to scare people away from your competitor’s products. To this day, you still INTENTIONALLY and KNOWINGLY give people misleading information.

I dont agree with you jgsx and that is my stance on the issue. I am not going to waste anymore time explaining my position because I dont need to. This has nothing to do with this topic and I have told you my stance on the subject.

[sheureka]

3G - Does that mean you don't use the charging USB cable that came with your 6700? - sheureka

[3G Cables]

3G - Does that mean you don't use the charging USB cable that came with your 6700? - sheureka

Why do you insist on posting questions which dont pertain to this thread topic? Of course I use the OEM cradle that came with my 6700 to charge and yes I think it is dangerous. You cant argue how I feel about charging cables or OEM charging cables. I simply dont think they are safe and I know someone that fried their phone using a charging cable. You can not argue that :wavey:

[ralphkaz]

I dont agree with you jgsx and that is my stance on the issue. I am not going to waste anymore time explaining my position because I dont need to. This has nothing to do with this topic and I have told you my stance on the subject.
I've been using a charging cable with my old Sanyo Phone almost daily for 2 yrs now (charge it at work off my laptop) with no issues whatsoever...

[ralphkaz]

Back on topic - I want to get rid of my 2 yr old Sanyo (which works fine as a modem and no letter yet although I only use it about once a week) and get a Samsung A900. Do the new A900s allow data cable/bluetooth hookups to a laptop? or have they already disabled this feature in the new firmware?

[3G Cables]

I've been using a charging cable with my old Sanyo Phone almost daily for 2 yrs now (charge it at work off my laptop) with no issues whatsoever...

Of course you have. Many people have had no issues, and others have fried their phones.

Let’s please not post anymore charging stuff here, that is not what this thread is about. It might get this whole thread closed which would be a shame since that is not what the topic was about.

Now, back to the topic of this thread.

[3G Cables]

Back on topic - I want to get rid of my 2 yr old Sanyo (which works fine as a modem and no letter yet although I only use it about once a week) and get a Samsung A900. Do the new A900s allow data cable/bluetooth hookups to a laptop? or have they already disabled this feature in the new firmware?

Hi ralphkaz,

I use my A900 as you describe with NAI disabled and it works fine as an EV-DO high speed modem with cable. I am not sure about Bluetooth. I had a hell of a time getting my Bluetooth set up with the A900. That was my experience.

[jgsx]

I have a 6700, A900, and Merlin A620 data card. I use all three for laptop data. The A900 is much easier to use as a modem than the 6700. As long as NAI is disabled, it works fine through both bluetooth and USB. If you're in an EVDO area, bluetooth on both the 6700 and A900 is significantly slower than using the USB cable. The A900 is also significantly faster than the 6700. The only problem with the A900 is that the battery dies *very* quickly when using it as a modem, so using a USB charging cable is pretty much manditory if you're gonna use it for more than a couple minutes. The 6700 already comes with a charging cable.

[Trevante]

AFAIK, the 6700's cable is just a regular USB cable, the 6700 is charged via USB. Any other mini-USB cable could be used to charge a 6700.

As far as the A900 and modem usage, I've been able to use my A900 as a modem both via USB (computer) and bluetooth (on my mom's Palm T|X). For some reason, in both cases, my speed was capped at 240kbps. Others have reported better results so I don't know if it's my phone or something in my setup, but it does work. 240kbps is still fast enough for web browsing and downloading small files.

[3G Cables]

AFAIK, the 6700's cable is just a regular USB cable, the 6700 is charged via USB. Any other mini-USB cable could be used to charge a 6700.

As far as the A900 and modem usage, I've been able to use my A900 as a modem both via USB (computer) and bluetooth (on my mom's Palm T|X). For some reason, in both cases, my speed was capped at 240kbps. Others have reported better results so I don't know if it's my phone or something in my setup, but it does work. 240kbps is still fast enough for web browsing and downloading small files.

Trevante,

It is capped in your dialup settings. Change the max speed in your dialup settings and you will be pleasantly surprised =)

[jgsx]

AFAIK, the 6700's cable is just a regular USB cable, the 6700 is charged via USB. Any other mini-USB cable could be used to charge a 6700.

As far as the A900 and modem usage, I've been able to use my A900 as a modem both via USB (computer) and bluetooth (on my mom's Palm T|X). For some reason, in both cases, my speed was capped at 240kbps. Others have reported better results so I don't know if it's my phone or something in my setup, but it does work. 240kbps is still fast enough for web browsing and downloading small files.

Youre right, the cable is a standard usb cable, which is also a charging cable.
To clarify my earlier post, i said that the A900 works fine with NAI disabled, that is only necessary if you dont have a PAM plan. Disabling NAI is not necessary to use the cable or bluetooth

[3G Cables]

Youre right, the cable is a standard usb cable, which is also a charging cable.
To clarify my earlier post, i said that the A900 works fine with NAI disabled, that is only necessary if you dont have a PAM plan. Disabling NAI is not necessary to use the cable or bluetooth

Correct and furthermore disabling NAI does not give you the "right" to download as much as you want and you may very well still get charged for data usage. Disabling NAI simply allows you to dial out again if your firmware version has outgoing modem dialing. Be nice now jgsx, I am trying to agree with you here =)

[jgsx]

Yeah, you can't abuse the disabled NAI. Sometimes I download a TON with EVDO, that's why I got the data card. I only use the A900 or 6700 if I'm away from my data card

[3G Cables]

Yeah, you can't abuse the disabled NAI. Sometimes I download a TON with EVDO, that's why I got the data card. I only use the A900 or 6700 if I'm away from my data card

Do you have unlimited on your data card and how much do you pay? I am curious if you have unlimited on your data card if they "look the other way" on your other devices if they are on the same account?

[jgsx]

I have unlimited data on the pc card. I don't think they look the other way for using PAM on the other lines. PAM is an extra $40 per line.

[3G Cables]

I have unlimited data on the pc card. I don't think they look the other way for using PAM on the other lines. PAM is an extra $40 per line.

How much do you pay per month for unlimited data? $40?

It is only $40 for unlimited PAM right now? That would be WELL worth it if that is true.

[winger]

AFAIK, the 6700's cable is just a regular USB cable, the 6700 is charged via USB. Any other mini-USB cable could be used to charge a 6700.

As far as the A900 and modem usage, I've been able to use my A900 as a modem both via USB (computer) and bluetooth (on my mom's Palm T|X). For some reason, in both cases, my speed was capped at 240kbps. Others have reported better results so I don't know if it's my phone or something in my setup, but it does work. 240kbps is still fast enough for web browsing and downloading small files.
when ur dialup modem connects at 240k, I do not believe tht means your actual d/l speeds are capped. I have seen my d/l speeds exceed 500kbps consistently in evdo areas where wireless internet traffic is expected to be lighter (e.g. not in downtown SF during peak business hrs)

[frontsideinc]

wow never knew when i started this thread it would have this many responces,;lol

[3G Cables]

when ur dialup modem connects at 240k, I do not believe tht means your actual d/l speeds are capped. I have seen my d/l speeds exceed 500kbps consistently in evdo areas where wireless internet traffic is expected to be lighter (e.g. not in downtown SF during peak business hrs)

Right. What Windows reports you are connecting at is not the speed between your PHONE and the SPRINT NETWORK.

Instead it is the speed from your PHONE to your PC.

So that will cause a bottle neck regardless even if you have more than 240k from your phone to the network. Thus you need to increase your maximum throughput in the dialup properties setup. I think the highest is 960k so you want to select that highest speed and your bottleneck will be gone.

[winger]

Right. What Windows reports you are connecting at is not the speed between your PHONE and the SPRINT NETWORK.

Instead it is the speed from your PHONE to your PC.

So that will cause a bottle neck regardless even if you have more than 240k from your phone to the network. Thus you need to increase your maximum throughput in the dialup properties setup. I think the highest is 960k so you want to select that highest speed and your bottleneck will be gone.
Hmmm. how is it that when I speedcheck on speakeasy.net right now I am getting 940kbps down and 120kbps up ? BTW, I have a ppc6700 how do I change my setting from 240k to say 960k?

[teksport]

There's more to this than just setting modem connection speed. There's a thing called MTU (Maximimum Transmission Unit) which governs the packet size. (It's the greatest amount of data that can be transferred in one physical frame on the network. If a packet that has a smaller MTU than the packet's frame length is sent, fragmentation will occur. For TCP, MTU can range from 68 to 1500 bytes. Larger MTUs provide for lower overhead)Too large, and it chokes, too small and it starves. It's one of those things that has to be tinkered with, keeping in mind that throughput varies between towers and even times of day.
In regedit you'll find: HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Param eters\Interfaces
MTU="1500". Change the value down in increments of 100 for starters to see if you can pick up throughput. When you see it start to diminish, pick it back up until you optimize the throughput. It will take a little messing around but can make a difference.

[winger]

There's more to this than just setting modem connection speed. There's a thing called MTU (Maximimum Transmission Unit) which governs the packet size. (It's the greatest amount of data that can be transferred in one physical frame on the network. If a packet that has a smaller MTU than the packet's frame length is sent, fragmentation will occur. For TCP, MTU can range from 68 to 1500 bytes. Larger MTUs provide for lower overhead)Too large, and it chokes, too small and it starves. It's one of those things that has to be tinkered with, keeping in mind that throughput varies between towers and even times of day.
In regedit you'll find: HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Param eters\Interfaces
MTU="1500". Change the value down in increments of 100 for starters to see if you can pick up throughput. When you see it start to diminish, pick it back up until you optimize the throughput. It will take a little messing around but can make a difference.Ahhh. I remember this from old DSL days w/ my Windows machine. good 'ol MTU.

1. Do I have to reset my laptop each time I change MTU?
2. Once I find an optimal MTU for use on my PPC, should I keep that optimal setting even though network throughput changes throughout the day and in different areas (as you mention above) ?

3. Logical to think different optiomal MTU exists for PPC use a modem and Comcast Cable at home. Is there a way to toggle back/forth without going into the registry?

4. Back to my original point above in response to 3G, how do I change that SOMETHING (what exactly is this again???) from 240k to 960k?

[3G Cables]

Hmmm. how is it that when I speedcheck on speakeasy.net right now I am getting 940kbps down and 120kbps up ? BTW, I have a ppc6700 how do I change my setting from 240k to say 960k?

Then your speed is already set above 240k and you have nothing to worry about.

[winger]

Then your speed is already set above 240k and you have nothing to worry about.
for sake of learning (and all of us benefit), how can I check?

[3G Cables]

for sake of learning (and all of us benefit), how can I check?

Go into your control panels and use the Internet Connection setup wizard. After you make the connection setup, then go into the properties and you will see a pulldown menu for speed.

[3G Cables]

for sake of learning (and all of us benefit), how can I check?

Specifically under properties\configure\maximum speed (bps)

Just because it is set on something now does not mean that is what it has been set on in the past. I have seen the value change without warning before and I am not sure why.

[winger]

Go into your control panels and use the Internet Connection setup wizard. After you make the connection setup, then go into the properties and you will see a pulldown menu for speed.Wait, so this is on the laptop I am doing this? I remember doing some similar setup w/ my phone a couple yrs ago (pre-EVDO time) to change the setting to supposedly change bandwidth speed (max)

OK, I do not see the Internet Connection setup wizard on my laptop. I remember seeing it when first installing Windows XP on my laptop but never did use it. Where else can I go to now to change/check this 240k (or whatever the value is) ?

[V_eastern_wa]

We have the cable for your VM4050 to use it as a modem and give all instructions with the cable all for $8.95. It is all you need to connect to the net.

I know this is an old message I'm replying too, but how crazy is that? I'm connecting right now to my desktop with the USB cord that came with my digital phone. :haha:

Vera

[winger]

I know this is an old message I'm replying too, but how crazy is that? I'm connecting right now to my desktop with the USB cord that came with my digital phone. :haha:

Vera
yeh it should work...Let us know if u get charged for data usage

[imtravis]

yeh it should work...Let us know if u get charged for data usage

I think they're still going to charge, because they can. I could be wrong, but I think that's their policy.

Good Luck.

[sheureka]

In the other posts that V_eastern_wa has made she says she has a PAM plan - she's the one who keeps insisting you have to also get a Vision plan if you want to use Vision on the phone - so she's not going to get charged (even if she uses Vision on the phone!). And I have no clue why this thread would have been resurrected. - sheureka :cool:

[winger]

In the other posts that V_eastern_wa has made she says she has a PAM plan - she's the one who keeps insisting you have to also get a Vision plan if you want to use Vision on the phone - so she's not going to get charged (even if she uses Vision on the phone!). And I have no clue why this thread would have been resurrected. - sheureka :cool:
oh...ok.
If v_eastern_wa has a PAM plan, no data charges should show up on her bill, then

[V_eastern_wa]

why is it resurrected? Well probably because I'm new and had no idea it was a no no?
I'm only insisting that is the way it is because its so...at least on my plan. They told me I needed to add PV in order to not be charged, but since I don't need it I ain't paying for it. Of course they could be treating me like a mushroom; fed *hit and left in the dark!!
I'm paying for unlimited Data Phone as Modem....I highly doubt the type of USB is important.

[imtravis]

why is it resurrected? Well probably because I'm new and had no idea it was a no no?
I'm only insisting that is the way it is because its so...at least on my plan. They told me I needed to add PV in order to not be charged, but since I don't need it I ain't paying for it. Of course they could be treating me like a mushroom; fed *hit and left in the dark!!
I'm paying for unlimited Data Phone as Modem....I highly doubt the type of USB is important.

It gives us a reason to go back to these old threads. :headbang2

[V_eastern_wa]

ok alright....it's a new thread to me :Popcorn2:

[BrettW]

i never got one of thoes letters i just got a text message and an automated call but now i have a 6700 so bite me sprint ;-)

[3G Cables]

I too do not understand why this post was bumped up again. It seems there has been enough discussion about it and all questions answered.

[cinnamngrl]

do you want someone make a new thread on a hashed out subject? If you are bored of a subject, then unsubscribe. Don't discourage new people from posting.

[winger]

do you want someone make a new thread on a hashed out subject? If you are bored of a subject, then unsubscribe. Don't discourage new people from posting.Cinnamon, you got some spice LOL. Actually I agree, no issues w/ resurrecting threads. If this is against the 'SU law", then mods can pull or close the thread.

[Edwood]

I too do not understand why this post was bumped up again. It seems there has been enough discussion about it and all questions answered.

It's not a sticky thread. So you prefer to have lots of duplicate threads of the same exact subject?

Ever heard of the search function? :rolleyes:

Apparently V_eastern_wa knows how to use it.

-Ed

[V_eastern_wa]

yeah....so there! LOL

Thanks guys :D

Vera

[rcbartel]

If you just got your letter from Sprint "today", then why is the image dated July 1, 2005 ?

[JSMZ]

If you just got your letter from Sprint "today", then why is the image dated July 1, 2005 ?

Hey, uh ..... why dont you take a second and look at the date the original post was made ...... July 14, 2005. :clap:


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/jsmz79/SU%20dont%20delete/dork.jpg

[rcbartel]

Look at the actual date on the Sprint letter. I think I will do a little more investigating, and get the actual information from others in and around Dallas, TX (i.e. Cayuga, TX.).

[rcbartel]

Thank god Sprint has intense competition, and no longer is controlled by marketing predators in Kansas City.

[MidwestDrummer]

Look at the actual date on the Sprint letter. I think I will do a little more investigating, and get the actual information from others in and around Dallas, TX (i.e. Cayuga, TX.).
Ummm, well the date on the Sprint letter is July 1, 2005. the date of the OP's post is July 14, 2005. What is there to investigate?

Sheesh, some people have nothing better to do than to dispute a fact that they don't necessarily agree with.

[the2ndflood]

This thread should be deleted. It's years old and outdated. I was reading this and at first thought it was new. Threads this old, dealing with something like this should be deleted after a set time. Phone-as-modem and data card plans on common place now. Sprint doesn't cancel users accounts for using too much. Now Verizon and Cingular do, but I have not read 1 complaint yet where someone used too much and had their account canceled. Now maybe if they were streaming 20 hours a day, using VoIP all day and night, and file sharing every moment of the day. Then their account would be canceled. But Sprint hasn't said anything to be so far and I use lots of data each month.

[b-ball21]

this thread scared the crap outta me LOL

[silentbenton]

this thread scared the crap outta me LOL

I'm in the same boat as you. I've used 5 gigs on my Mogul without tethering in one month. If this were recent I'd surely be cut off.

[CorkyG]

This damned thread is TWO years old! This is one of my objections to this forum - the format at Anandtech is much better - I never look at threads older than the current date. Retire this puppy!

[fishmd]

Please oh please get rid of this thread. It is so old and outdated. Common mods....

[intlschizo]

Geeeeeez, my heart nearly came out of my chest! Don't do that to me, please!

[JSMZ]

Man, someone PLEASE close this thing !!! Nothing is going on in here except bumping a dead thread.

BTW...Im sure if someone gets busted they will make a new thread anyway.