T-Mo for sale...

[Invader J]

http://www.mobiletracker.net/archives/2005/07/03/t-mobile-usa-for-sale

Heh, it was only a matter of time. T-Mo has gotta be the lousiest carrier, except for having the Sidekick...

I'd love to see Vodafone take over, including rebranding the whole thing as Vodafone. They have some seriously nice kit overseas in Europe and even Japan, including some hot Sharp and Toshiba handsets there. If anyone could really kick T-Mo's crap network into the realm of, ya know, WORKING, it would be them.

[Jake]

wow... I never thought this day would come.

[NightRider]

yeah t-mobile is pretty much horse sh*t. reception sounds like someone is constantly crumbling a paper bag in the background. i dunno... maybe its just the service area im in?

[VibrantRedGT]

I don't know anyone that has T mob. Just not a player here. I can't believe someone would pay that much for at the time the 5th ranked carrier out of 5 major carriers.

[Matt]

yeah t-mobile is pretty much horse sh*t. reception sounds like someone is constantly crumbling a paper bag in the background. i dunno... maybe its just the service area im in?

More than likely. No one I talk to has that issue, and I use T-Mobile. Thanks to all those that have nothing nice to say or call T-Mobile sh*t. I appreciate that.


Ask

Yummi
Deval
mtied
and others. They will tell you that I sound fine when I talk to them.

Keep in mind. At the top of that link, it does say "Rumor".

[Matt]

I don't know anyone that has T mob. Just not a player here. I can't believe someone would pay that much for at the time the 5th ranked carrier out of 5 major carriers.

You know me*. I have T-Mobile.


Disclaimer* I realize that you do know me ( as we have not met), but there are people all over the country that have no problems with T-Mobile. Remember, T-Mobile has won the JD Powers award for overall satisfaction for a cell phone carrier a few times.

http://www.t-mobile.com/company/2004awards/default.asp?WT.mc_n=JDP_index&WT.mc_t=OnsiteAd

[Moogle]

I have several friends with T-Mobile... And they're all really happy -- and when I talk to them it sounds fine.

The upside to t-mobile is they have generally good coverage in major metro areas... and they're cheap.

The downside is that if you go outside of those major metro areas their coverage is very spotty... Especially like out on the freeway or something -- I think T-Mobile has a dead spot on I-10 West of Blythe... and a few more I think too -- whereas Sprint has really good interstate coverage.

The other downside to GSM in general, is that there is no fallback on CDMA Digital Roaming or AMPS Analog... I know I've been way the heck out in the countryside and all the signal i've gotten is AMPS analog... I'd sure like to see a GSM signal all the way out there (though I must admit, Cingular and other GSM carriers are working very agressively to increase their coverage.)

Just my opinion...

Moogle

[Matt]

:good: Very good Moogle.

[bluecoyote]

Actually, T-Mobile is good if you don't travel a lot. T-Mobile should purchase Suncom (a LOT of their problems would be solved by doing so.) Their rates are about 300 million times better than Cingular's. They subsidize their phones more and are much more friendly with data than the Cingular gestapo.

In fact, I wish we had T-Mo INSTEAD of Cingular.

[Jake]

You know me*. I have T-Mobile.


Disclaimer* I realize that you do know me ( as we have not met), but there are people all over the country that have no problems with T-Mobile. Remember, T-Mobile has won the JD Powers award for overall satisfaction for a cell phone carrier a few times.

http://www.t-mobile.com/company/2004awards/default.asp?WT.mc_n=JDP_index&WT.mc_t=OnsiteAd

I was really happy with T-Mobile... I just didn't get reception in my house... but very few carriers do.

[ssaifull]

T-Mobile is here to stay, no matter who buys them out. At the end of the day, people mainly need their phone to talk an text, not to run a T1 backbone through their phone. I'm not excusing T-Mobile not having a plan for a 3G network, but saying that for majority of the millions of consumers, their network will do for a few more years atleast.

Basically if you want the freedom of GSM, you should have choices. It would be a sad state of affairs if Cingular was the only alternative.

[DanMan]

T-Mobile is here to stay, no matter who buys them out. At the end of the day, people mainly need their phone to talk an text, not to run a T1 backbone through their phone. I'm not excusing T-Mobile not having a plan for a 3G network, but saying that for majority of the millions of consumers, their network will do for a few more years atleast.

Basically if you want the freedom of GSM, you should have choices. It would be a sad state of affairs if Cingular was the only alternative.

Hey dude, You like your 790 ??

[Willie_Esco23]

http://www.mobiletracker.net/archives/2005/07/03/t-mobile-usa-for-sale

Heh, it was only a matter of time. T-Mo has gotta be the lousiest carrier, except for having the Sidekick...

I'd love to see Vodafone take over, including rebranding the whole thing as Vodafone. They have some seriously nice kit overseas in Europe and even Japan, including some hot Sharp and Toshiba handsets there. If anyone could really kick T-Mo's crap network into the realm of, ya know, WORKING, it would be them.


Now if this statement is true I belive I was the first to brings this up in the sprint VS T-mobile thread, and the guy with the Sharp t-=mobile phone basically thought I was out of my mind making this statement. Well like I said if this is true then I guess he'll have to swallow his words.

[Invader J]

FWIW, my opinions on T-Mo are based on being a subscriber here in NYC for a few years with a total of 4 different handsets. The reception is crap all over the city, and in you're indoors you can REALLY forget about it. Even sitting in my apartment with full signal always yielded crackling, no matter what handset.

Now, I'm definitely not alone in this experience - while others may have zero issues with T-Mo, if you have equal coverage with a CDMA carrier, the CDMA carrier put T-Mo to shame in terms of holding a signal, call quality, etc.

The majority of people I talk to in major cities do not have T-Mo for these reasons, and the ones that used to subscribe jumped ship a long time ago. But if Vodafone bought 'em, they'd definitely work to build out their network I believe.

[Moogle]

Which raises an interesting problem... That'd give Vodafone 2 companies in the USA... Verizon (yes, by only a 44% stake but still) - and T-Mobile.....

Do you think the FCC / FTC / Justice Dept would approve such a buyout?

Then the question arises -- Is Vodafone going to compete with itself and build out a GSM AND CDMA network? Perhaps we'll see dual-mode USA handsets (CDMA 800/1900 and GSM 800/1900...)

Interesting Possibilities.

Moogle

[Marlon_JB2]

yeah t-mobile is pretty much horse sh*t. reception sounds like someone is constantly crumbling a paper bag in the background. i dunno... maybe its just the service area im in?
My experience with T-Mobile is the same. :( However, it isn't horsesh*t... It DOES work for some people... I'm just not that person. ;) )

[robbys]

I just have to say that I love sprint and i would never consider changing carriers for any reason other than some huge issue.....BUT i also have to admit that i have a 7400, but also a Sidekick II. Sprint is great for voice and data, and i use the sidekick just for going on aol, browsing the web etc. T-mo has a great plan that is just data, but if it weren't for the Sidekick or Sprint had the Sidekick (I know....not really possible, but hypethetically) i probably would NEVER go near T-mobile.

[Chris4434]

i have tmobile in addition to my sprint phone and they have been very good for me... where they have coverage it generally tends to be rather good...

[andre141]

http://www.mobiletracker.net/archives/2005/07/03/t-mobile-usa-for-sale

Heh, it was only a matter of time. T-Mo has gotta be the lousiest carrier, except for having the Sidekick...

I'd love to see Vodafone take over, including rebranding the whole thing as Vodafone. They have some seriously nice kit overseas in Europe and even Japan, including some hot Sharp and Toshiba handsets there. If anyone could really kick T-Mo's crap network into the realm of, ya know, WORKING, it would be them.

Vodafone is the whole reason Verizon is so crappy!

[Stin]

Wow, what's with all the T-Mob hating? As long as you have coverage with them their plans beat everyones hands down. I get full reception everywhere I've been, and I'm in a city of 600,000. Their 1000 minutes with free nights/weekends for $45.99 beats everyone hands down.

Pros:
-Plans are cheap (1000 minutes with free nights/weekends for $45.99)
-Data is cheap ($5.99 a month unlimited)
-Text is cheap (14.99 for umlimted text/built in aim/MMS)
-1 year contracts only
-GSM phones (swap anytime you want)
-CS is better than everyone elses by far

At this point if your city gets good reception with T-Mob I don't know why you haven't made the switch already! And this is coming from someone who was with Sprint for 2 years. :headbang2

[The SPCS Guy]

You're right. Their CS is better than anyone's. I've had
T-Mobile/Omnipoint/Voicestream service in NYC before.

THE only downside is they do not offer free trials for any of their services.

JE

[LGfan]

dam how fun it is to laugh at gsm...lol that 3g upgrade is going to cost you t-mo lol.. makes them wish they had gone with cdma, the upgrade cost alot less.

[Jake]

Why must this be such a hating on T-Mobile thread... It was intended to discuss the possible sale of it. It works great in some areas and not so great in others, just like every other carrier available! Just because it doesn't work for you, does not mean someone else would not be as happy with them as you are with Sprint, end of story.

[FloorMatt]

Why must this be such a hating on T-Mobile thread... It was intended to discuss the possible sale of it. It works great in some areas and not so great in others, just like every other carrier available! Just because it doesn't work for you, does not mean someone else would not be as happy with them as you are with Sprint, end of story.

True words, Jake! :)

[Matt]

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http://www.mobiletracker.net/archives/2005/07/03/t-mobile-usa-for-sale

Heh, it was only a matter of time. T-Mo has gotta be the lousiest carrier, except for having the Sidekick...

I'd love to see Vodafone take over, including rebranding the whole thing as Vodafone. They have some seriously nice kit overseas in Europe and even Japan, including some hot Sharp and Toshiba handsets there. If anyone could really kick T-Mo's crap network into the realm of, ya know, WORKING, it would be them.


Now if this statement is true I belive I was the first to brings this up in the sprint VS T-mobile thread, and the guy with the Sharp t-=mobile phone basically thought I was out of my mind making this statement. Well like I said if this is true then I guess he'll have to swallow his words.

I assume you are mean me. (the guy with the sharp phone). My name is Matt. Try to keep that in mind. Understand that willie? It's only a rumour.

[Matt]

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dam how fun it is to laugh at gsm...lol that 3g upgrade is going to cost you t-mo lol.. makes them wish they had gone with cdma, the upgrade cost alot less.

Now in English.

[upp3r 3ch3lon]

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Now in English.

english... haha, they spoke inglesh very fine.

[LGfan]

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Now in English.


whats your point?

[Matt]

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Now in English.


whats your point?

My point? I did not get what you said.

[Quill]

Okay, the news of a wireless buyout always starts like this ... with some alleged rumor being printed a reputable source, like the Wall Street Journal.
Within the last month I was skeptical that Deutsch Telekom would consider selling T-Mo, but one can never rule out the possibility.

So, as far as I could tell from the article, if Vodafone is interested (and it could end up being any carrier ... remember how both Cing/AT&T went down as well as Sprint/Nextel ... many suitors for ATT and Verizon tried to butt into Sextel ...) then it would make sense for it to divest itself of its Verizon holdings. Voda would, I bet, love to have a GSM presence here rather than invested in a CDMA network.

Being that T-Mo American HQ is based in my hometown (a mere 30 miles from where I sit), it's no surprise that everyone I know here who has it loves it, gets great reception in the greater Seattle area and so on.

We're just going to have to keep an eye on this. Not much more will come of this today, it being the Fourth of July and all. This will be another interesting week in wireless.

[devon82]

More than likely. No one I talk to has that issue, and I use T-Mobile. Thanks to all those that have nothing nice to say or call T-Mobile sh*t. I appreciate that.


Ask

Yummi
Deval
mtied
and others. They will tell you that I sound fine when I talk to them.

Keep in mind. At the top of that link, it does say "Rumor".

I have and use tmo and have never had a single problem. I think that those that trash the company are just jealous. Since I've been with them, its been nothing but nice. Tech support even returned my call on a the scheduled date to assist me and CS is AMAZING!

Don't preach if you have no idea what you're preachin about IMO

[Willie_Esco23]

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I assume you are mean me. (the guy with the sharp phone). My name is Matt. Try to keep that in mind. Understand that willie? It's only a rumour.


Well I did say if it's true that I did mention this prior to the rumor/fact. That's all I said and it was in english!!!. You understand????.

[psychojoe3354]

I would have t-mo if they didn't want a $500 deposit. Their plans are so much cheaper than Sprint. Where I live the coverage is great, no one has any issues. I would have really liked to have a sony ericsson w800 on t-mo.

[Moogle]

If T-Mo is requiring a $500 deposit... Then Sprint would be requiring a $1000+ or something like that...

T-Mobile has always been the "value carrier" -- Almost the Apple/Macintosh of the Phone world... Not really complicated, and not too many "extras."

[scotsboyuk]

I would have thought that it would be rathe runlikely that Deutsche Telekom would sell off T-Mobile USA, if for no other reason that it makes more money than any of their other business interests.

Of course that doesn't exactly rule out the possibility of a sale, but one has to be sensible when considering who would take over. Vodafone is probably the most liekly buyer and I agree that the main reason they would be looking to buy T-Mobile USA would be to kill two birds with one stone in getting rid of their stake in Verizon whilst simultaneously obtaining 100% ownership of a 100% GSM network.

Having said that one should also consider the likes of Telefonica and NTT DoCoMo, the latter being somewhat less likely. Orange are anothe rpossibly candidate in that they have a relatively small international presence and an American GSM network would be very tempting to them in my opinion.

Vodafone would probably be the best network to buy T-Mobile USA from the customers' point of view. Their goal seems to be becoming the biggest and best and I can't see them not spending a lot of money on rapid network expansion and upgrades.

[Quill]

IIRC, NTT DoCoMo put in a bid for AT&T last year when it was up on the block. I could see it being a player ... I'm not familiar with Telefonica.
It's a somewhat surprising move that DT is considering selling T-Mo. I'm sure there will be more to come later this week as the Americans recover from the holiday. ;)

[CoreyTheGent]

This is no longer just a rumor. Well, the idea of T-Mobile being for sale is a rumor, what's not a rumor is that Deutsche Telekom seriously is considering ridding themselves of T-Mobile whereas it was never on the table before.

[scotsboyuk]

If T-Mobile USA is sold off then it would through T-Mobile's global aspirations into serious doubt. I can't see Vodafone allowing another American GSM network gfetting away from them though.

[Quill]

Well, I guess when my contract is up in December with Cingular ... I may not switch to T-Mo just for the hell of it. Heh. And so much for getting my brother a Sidekick in case he ends up stationed overseas.
Time to go look at importing pretty phones to use on Cingular ...

[scotsboyuk]

Well, I guess when my contract is up in December with Cingular ... I may not switch to T-Mo just for the hell of it. Heh. And so much for getting my brother a Sidekick in case he ends up stationed overseas.
Time to go look at importing pretty phones to use on Cingular ...

What about a W600, they are designed for the Americas?

[Quill]

Is that one of the SE Walkman phones? Great. Now I'm going to have go look it up. Heh.

[scotsboyuk]

Is that one of the SE Walkman phones? Great. Now I'm going to have go look it up. Heh.

It is indeed. There are a lot of good phones though, mind you I do prefer SE myself. All my current handsets are SE.

[icsedge1]

If T-Mo is requiring a $500 deposit... Then Sprint would be requiring a $1000+ or something like that...

T-Mobile has always been the "value carrier" -- Almost the Apple/Macintosh of the Phone world... Not really complicated, and not too many "extras."

stick to phones dude - you clearly don't know what you are talking about when it comes to computers.

Apple's machines have always cost *more* than windoze/intel pcs. hence part of Apple's problem trying to grow market share. and believe me - Macs come with plenty of 'extras' - both in hardware, and clearly in software goodies that windoze can't come close to touching.

sure, the Mac Mini is a value machine...

sedge

[Quill]

It is indeed. There are a lot of good phones though, mind you I do prefer SE myself. All my current handsets are SE.

I like my SE quite a bit actually. But, right now I'm not willing to fork over the cash for the s710a, which is the only SE actually available for Cingular at the moment. I haven't seen any currently available SE imports that strike my fancy and have the 850 band. Sigh.

Alright, I have to go look up that phone now.

EDIT: Oooh, SE has a nice interactive demo thang on its site of the W600a. I'm not sure about the 'loop' antenna, though. Hmm. Or the orange. Would have to change that. I need a towel.

[scotsboyuk]

I like my SE quite a bit actually. But, right now I'm not willing to fork over the cash for the s710a, which is the only SE actually available for Cingular at the moment. I haven't seen any currently available SE imports that strike my fancy and have the 850 band. Sigh.

Alright, I have to go look up that phone now.

The only 'recent' SE handsets that support the 850 MHz frequency are the S710, the P910a and the T637. The W600 will support the 850 MHz frequency, but of course it isn't out yet.

You might like to have a look at this (http://www.se-nse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=612) if you're interested in the W600.

[CoreyTheGent]

I need a towel.A towel? For what?

I don't know why anyone would want this phone:

Unlike the W800i, however, the W600 does not feature any means of memory expansion, limiting users to the 256 MB of onboard memory.

[scotsboyuk]

@CoreyTheGent

The W600 is a low-end handset, it's has good specifications for its class. The W800 is more of a mid-range handset. The high-end Walkman series will hopfully be out later this year. Sakura should be announced in September, but current thinking is that that won't be a W series, but there is another handset called Ophira, which may be. Both should be high-end handsets though with good support for advanced features.

[pdx77]

Wow, what's with all the T-Mob hating? As long as you have coverage with them their plans beat everyones hands down. I get full reception everywhere I've been, and I'm in a city of 600,000. Their 1000 minutes with free nights/weekends for $45.99 beats everyone hands down.

Ah! But it's even cheaper than that. You can get 1,000 anytime (nationwide coverage) for only $39.99 right now.

[Quill]

A towel? For what?

I don't know why anyone would want this phone:

I have a RAZR. Haven't you figured out I'm superficial and lust after pretty phones?

I long for a swivel or slider ... and this is tiny. I'm not always all about features. I am far too shallow for that. Heh.

Actually, I don't think I've met a GSM cell phone that has come out or been announced in the past six months I wouldn't mind owning.

It's an addiction.

Hello, my name is quilly and I am a phone-a-holic.

[CoreyTheGent]

I'm not saying the phone's a piece of crap or anything, but to gear it as a "music phone" and then limit us to 256mb of onboard memory with no way to expand? That's just ridiculous, in my opinion. That's akin to the now infamous iTunes phone having 6mb of memory alotted for downloads and no expansion.

[Deval]

I'm not saying the phone's a piece of crap or anything, but to gear it as a "music phone" and then limit us to 256mb of onboard memory with no way to expand? That's just ridiculous, in my opinion. That's akin to the now infamous iTunes phone having 6mb of memory alotted for downloads and no expansion.

:hee: gotta agree with you on that one

[scotsboyuk]

I have a RAZR. Haven't you figured out I'm superficial and lust after pretty phones?

I long for a swivel or slider ... and this is tiny. I'm not always all about features. I am far too shallow for that. Heh.

Actually, I don't think I've met a GSM cell phone that has come out or been announced in the past six months I wouldn't mind owning.

It's an addiction.

Hello, my name is quilly and I am a phone-a-holic.

It's a shame that North American WCDMA won't be compatible with European/KK WCDMA or you could have bought some nice Japanese handsets from KK.

[Quill]

I'm not saying the phone's a piece of crap or anything, but to gear it as a "music phone" and then limit us to 256mb of onboard memory with no way to expand? That's just ridiculous, in my opinion. That's akin to the now infamous iTunes phone having 6mb of memory alotted for downloads and no expansion.

Oh, well, I'm ignoring that music thing entirely. I actually really like the form factor and it appears to be much smaller than the s710a.

Though, I do agree. It should have expandable memory if you want a phone with an MP3 player. I would actually use the FM radio more than the MP3 player as I have a 20GB ipod.

[Quill]

It's a shame that North American WCDMA won't be compatible with European/KK WCDMA or you could have bought some nice Japanese handsets from KK.

Oh, dear. Japanese phones. I do hope my brother gets stationed in Tokyo. Or even Okinawa, just so I can visit him and see these in person.

[scotsboyuk]

I'm not saying the phone's a piece of crap or anything, but to gear it as a "music phone" and then limit us to 256mb of onboard memory with no way to expand? That's just ridiculous, in my opinion. That's akin to the now infamous iTunes phone having 6mb of memory alotted for downloads and no expansion.

The 256 memory is a little annoying, but one has to remember that it is aimed more at the youth market and will likely be priced accordingly. For SE to make any sort of profit on the handset at the price level it is likely to be at I suppose they have to make sacrafices somewhere.

[CoreyTheGent]

What iTunes phone?Why, this one, of course:

Say Hello to the Motorola E790 Apple iTunes Phone

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2051/iphone1mi.jpg

This is the moment you’ve been waiting for: obviously we can’t tell you how we got ‘em, but after months of pining away for this, we’ve finally scored some actual live shots of a cellphone running Apple’s new iTunes Mobile software. It might just be an engineering or a production sample, and we can’t guarantee whether this will actually be the first iTunes phone or not, but we do know that we’re looking at a pearly white E790 and that synchronizes with iTunes 4.9 (and has the same autofill menu options as the iPod shuffle). Not sure how much internal memory the phone has, but we do know that this sample shipped with a 128MB TransFlash card that sits opposite the SIM and under the battery and supposedly sounds every bit as good as a full-size iPod and has “excellent bass response."

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1117/iphone22lb.jpg

Engadget (http://engadget.com/entry/1234000887049175/)

[Deval]

now thats cool....

[FloorMatt]

Mmmm iTunes phones.........I'd take it if it had a min. of 512mb built-in. Anything less is an insult. (heck....512 is, too)

Well.....this thread has taken a turn. Hmmm

[scotsboyuk]

In an effort to steer the good ship 'T-Mo for sale ...' back on course what does everyone think of the possibility of T-Mobile doing ythe opposite and investing massively and expanding their U.S. operations significantly?

[Deval]

In an effort to steer the good ship 'T-Mo for sale ...' back on course what does everyone think of the possibility of T-Mobile doing ythe opposite and investing massively and expanding their U.S. operations significantly?


I think they might not have enough money to do a major network upgrade

[FloorMatt]

I think they might not have enough money to do a major network upgrade

Exactly........would D-Telekom really want to invest alot of money in T-Mobile USA......to still be #4 ?

[scotsboyuk]

Exactly........would D-Telekom really want to invest alot of money in T-Mobile USA......to still be #4 ?

Not unless they are looking to invest enough money to really expand T-Mobile USA to move up the rankings.

[CoreyTheGent]

So who's buying T-Mobile? Cingular?

[Deval]

investing money is 1 thing...they still wouldnt really gain the customer base now would they? I mean, for example, Verizon gains customers daily due to advertisement (sp) and word of mouth...they might suck in 1 area, but people will still get it, and still use it and claim its the best

[Quill]

Corey, saw the iTunes phone on engadget earlier today. Crap, I like that, too.

As for T-Mo, well, seeing as it doesn't have plans to do any upgrade on its network for a while anyway, could the possibility of a sale push that timetable forward a bit? It's not a bad carrier and it's growing. But, there seems to be a domino effect here of major mergers and somethings going to have to change if T-Mo wants to be competitive.

I doubt Cingular could get away with another acquisition at this point. There's the FCC to wrangle with and the financial issues that came with AT&T.

This shall surely get interesting.

[Deval]

I think its gonna always be around...I doubt the FCC would allow it...kinda like how they wouldnt allow Sprint and Verizon, because there would be no national CDMA carrier to choose from

[scotsboyuk]

The optimum number of networks seems to be somewhere between three and five in my experience with the possibility of additional virtual networks.

The trouble is that it is very difficult to implement the same sort of setup in America as is found in Europe. I'm not sure if T-Mobile fully appreciated the effect competing standards would have on their American venture.

Unless T-Mobile can upgrade its network to 3G rather quickly and ideally implement something like HSDPA then it seems doubtful that they will have anything other than cheap prices, witch which to attract customers.

What T-Mo could do that would perhaps give them a boost is to bring in more advanced handsets and subsidise them heavily so that they have a new angle to work on. I don't really see T-Mobile upgrading to 3G in the U.S. anytime soon though, they don't even offer a consumer 3G service in the UK yet.

[Deval]

thats very true...I always looked at tmobile as a basic brand of cell phone service, very simple, nothing too fancy...People always looked at Sprint as fancy phones, Verizon as great service, Cingular has roll-over, and Nextel has the "bleep-bleep"

[scotsboyuk]

thats very true...I always looked at tmobile as a basic brand of cell phone service, very simple, nothing too fancy...People always looked at Sprint as fancy phones, Verizon as great service, Cingular has roll-over, and Nextel has the "bleep-bleep"

That's quite funny to think of networks like that, there hasn't been that level of difference between them here for some time.

My own 'action plan' for T-Mobile in America is very simple:

Get better handsets
Reduce prices as far as they can possibly go
Implement 3G at the earliest possible opportunity
Aggresively expand their network to blanket levels through building new towers or acquisitions of other networks

[sneak]

Aggresively expand their network to blanket levels through building new towers or acquisitions of other networks
I agree 100%. T-Mobile is not very good here in the midwest. Its a shame, too, because they could REALLY put Cingular in their place if their network was as developed.

[Deval]

That's quite funny to think of networks like that, there hasn't been that level of difference between them here for some time.

My own 'action plan' for T-Mobile in America is very simple:

Get better handsets
Reduce prices as far as they can possibly go
Implement 3G at the earliest possible opportunity
Aggresively expand their network to blanket levels through building new towers or acquisitions of other networks

I was looking at it from the feedback I've gotten from customers :)

[cproaudio]

I wish Orange in Asia would buy T-mobile USA and bring over the nice Orange phones here and blow the 5600, A800, 535, A940, 9000 out of the water. Ohh and their incredible LOW LOW rates too

[The SPCS Guy]

Asian companies would never bring their great phones here to the US. Why haven't the US carriers done so already?

The Asian companies are a zillion years ahead of the US in cell phone operations.

JE

[scotsboyuk]

I wish Orange in Asia ...

Who are they? I don't believe l'm familiar with that network; are the South Korean? Are they related to the French Orange?

[CT Phone Guy]

It was only a rumor :realitych
http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2005/07/05/afx2122633.html

[sneak]

Rumor or not, I can now see it happening.

[Halo2Proz]

lets all wait and see :Popcorn2:

[Stin]

Ah! But it's even cheaper than that. You can get 1,000 anytime (nationwide coverage) for only $39.99 right now.
That's only in certain west coast markets though. It is still 45.99 for most people, including me.

[Halo2Proz]

hence its confusing...most of the users of tmobile in my area just get it due to the number of minutes offered...they offer more min per dollar then any carrier out there, so for average people, thats all they see

[Stin]

hence its confusing...most of the users of tmobile in my area just get it due to the number of minutes offered...they offer more min per dollar then any carrier out there, so for average people, thats all they see
Why is it confusing? It's no different than Sprint offering 5pm nights and different roaming packages in different markets.

[Halo2Proz]

Why is it confusing? It's no different than Sprint offering 5pm nights and different roaming packages in different markets.

yeah but for the most part, all the base plans are the same nationwide

[PrettyHairShawn]

When I got my first cell phone, I would have gone with T-Mobile, but it doesn't even cover the North and South Carolina markets. There's no T-Mobile anywhere in the Carolinas. It's in Virginia and Georgia. They should have purchase Suncom thus launching its service in the Carolinas. Suncom is mainly in the Carolinas.

[scotsboyuk]

It may just be a rumour, when that rumour is published by a reputable source it gains some credence.

[skoobz]

It may just be a rumour, when that rumour is published by a reputable source it gains some credence.


again, it's a rumor, and with all rumors, it is false. http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2005/07/05/afx2122633.html

[Stin]

When I got my first cell phone, I would have gone with T-Mobile, but it doesn't even cover the North and South Carolina markets. There's no T-Mobile anywhere in the Carolinas. It's in Virginia and Georgia. They should have purchase Suncom thus launching its service in the Carolinas. Suncom is mainly in the Carolinas.
Don't they roam on Cingular there? Or when you are traveling through N and S Carolina your phone does not work at all?

[scotsboyuk]

again, it's a rumor, and with all rumors, it is false. http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2005/07/05/afx2122633.html

Well that was jolly good fun whilst it lasted! See all you chaps at the next rumour thread then? :p

[behindTHEscenes]

More than likely. No one I talk to has that issue, and I use T-Mobile. Thanks to all those that have nothing nice to say or call T-Mobile sh*t. I appreciate that.


Ask

Yummi
Deval
mtied
and others. They will tell you that I sound fine when I talk to them.

Keep in mind. At the top of that link, it does say "Rumor".


I switched to Sprint from T-Mobile just because they didn't have the best nationwide coverage but where I live (fort lauderdale florida) the coverage was great! I never had any problems here... excpet in some buildings (which sprint now works in)... but still they had the best customer service ever (SOOO MUCH BETTER THAN SPRINTS!) most people around here though have cingular or sprint... im not sure why those 2 are so widespread here. but i only know a few people with tmo or verizon.

[Quill]

Oh, just because DT is denying it doesn't mean there's no truth to it. I think I'll have to dig, but I'm fairly certain AT&T denied during the early stages of the rumor mill that it was not up for sale only to announce a week later that it was going on the block.

[PrettyHairShawn]

Don't they roam on Cingular there? Or when you are traveling through N and S Carolina your phone does not work at all?
They roam on Cingular, but the Carolinas isn't in its markets, there's no T-Mobile services or anything. Even Starbucks have trouble with no T-Mobile in the Carolinas, their internet cafes uses T-Mobile's Hotspot and without T-Mobile Hotspot, they must find another alternative.

[Jordan]

I looked at T-Mobile, and their coverage isn't good in my area at all. But it's not so bad price wise, 1000 anytime, unlim nite and weekend, 45 a month... same as sprints local plan

[Bohemian Iconoclast]

Oh, just because DT is denying it doesn't mean there's no truth to it. I think I'll have to dig, but I'm fairly certain AT&T denied during the early stages of the rumor mill that it was not up for sale only to announce a week later that it was going on the block.

The reports were 'purely fictitious' and were invented by financial investors in the US, the sources told the newspaper.

...I hope the SEC will be investigating this...

sneak - DT badly covets our market...I don't see this happening in the forseeable future...

[Stin]

If you want to see if you have coverage just go to http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/Default.asp?class=coverage. You can then put in your address and then it willl show you what kind of coverage you have. I must say.. its pretty damn accurate!

[sneak]

sneak - DT badly covets our market...I don't see this happening in the forseeable future...
I'm not too worried about it. T-Mo would be just another carrier I'd have to learn about, lol. :)

[pdx77]

If you want to see if you have coverage just go to http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/Default.asp?class=coverage. You can then put in your address and then it willl show you what kind of coverage you have. I must say.. its pretty damn accurate!

I like using this one:

http://compass.t-mobile.com/