Cloneing phone treo 650 & sanyo 5500

[Concentric190]

Ok how can I clone my phones (same number calls go to both phones, can use either phone at anytime)?

email me Concentric190@yahoo.com

[fl00d_pr0z]

Can't...

[Concentric190]

yes you can, just need to know how.

[fl00d_pr0z]

Nope...

[kirk1233]

I really wanted to do this as well but gave up. You can buy some software from shady people overseas if your willing to spend 50-200 dollars and not be guarenteed it will work. You can open the esn files using bitpim but you can't write to them. I think our best hope is the developers of bitpim finding a way to write to protected files on the phone...

[plurseed]

can not be done. only one phone per number.

[skewba_steve]

actually it can be done, but very complicated and difficult to do. Although all the sanyos released before the MM7400 can be hacked a little easier than others. Highly illegal though.

[Bohemian Iconoclast]

...if it's possible, then what happens when both phones answer at the same time?

I won't go into "worst case," but at the least the system will detect it and flag it as fraud...and both phones would probably be shut off...

[MikeLaze]

You will probobly miss calls sometimes and so str8 to voice mail..

[skewba_steve]

Heres how it works with mine. If someone calls me both phones will ring. When you press talk on phone A, phone B will stop ringing. Same thing works with the web, say your talking on Phone A and you click on the web with Phone B, it immediatly hangs up the conversation you were having on Phone A. So basically the same ESN can't be logged onto the system more than once. But you can have as many phones as you want with the same ESN, only able to use one at a time. Oh and about being flagged, just make sure the phones are being used in the same exact location. Never use them apart because thats one of the ways they detect clones. I guess I should stop talking and hope that no store reps read this although most will still believe its impossible :lol:

[Bohemian Iconoclast]

...so you are saying that if you tried to place a call on phone B while talking on phone A, that nothing would happen because phone B isn't logged in...

I Am Not A Tech...

If you've done this, I am betting it wasn't often (if at all), or for long...just because a phone can't log in doesn't mean that the attempt wasn't monitored...and logged...

You own both phones...but don't think you can't get caught for tampering with an ESN...it might even be more time than tampering with a VIN...

[skewba_steve]

actually you kinda got it wrong... if you were talking on Phone A and tried to place a call on Phone B, it will disconnect your current conversation on Phone A and place the new call on Phone B.
(almost like if you had a single phone, hung it up real quick, and placed a new call with the same phone)

The only time a phone cannot "log in" is if the ESN and Phone# don't match with whats activated in the system, which happens round the clock with many people.

I'd just prefer the options of using whatever phone I own when I would like to (like the people who have Sim-Card phones), not like I'm getting free minutes or anything anyways. And of course I don't think that i'm free from getting caught. Yes its illegal to do, but you only read about the people that get busted for ESN hacking and reselling with free minutes using someones account. And how many people get caught for using illegal satellite access card and/or cable access. All of that goes through a network too and thats getting services for free.

[Bohemian Iconoclast]

...um...it's not like a sim-card...sim-cards have one phone number per card, and a user switches the number to a new phone by switching the card.

There is no way to have two sim cards with the same number AFAIK, but I am not a tech, so that is not definitive.

...good luck with your "convenience..."

[leaving_ash]

So then the FBI says to Priest, sure its your phone, but the DMCA is still our law!
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[skewba_steve]

...um...it's not like a sim-card...sim-cards have one phone number per card, and a user switches the number to a new phone by switching the card.

There is no way to have two sim cards with the same number AFAIK, but I am not a tech, so that is not definitive.

...good luck with your "convenience..."

Um.. yes I realize that its one phone# per sim-card. By getting the same end result of having the ability to use whatever owned phone I'd like with ease, how again is it not like a sim-card's purpose? Wouldnt it also be stupid if switching a sim-card resets your new phone rebate status too?

Also if you have two phones and one breaks and you dont have lockline. And you need a phone right away so you activate the OLD phone temporarily and it resets your new phone rebate status. Isnt that stupid? Thank god I dont have that problem. I just wish CDMA technologies could support sim-cards.

And I still stand behind my comment "'I'd just prefer the options of using whatever phone I own when I would like to (like the people who have Sim-Card phones)".

[slightlyevolved]

Sooooo. Tell me. Do you just wake up in the morning and say, "Hey, today is a good day to commit a federal felony! I'll start by breaking half the FCC regulations!"?

You do realize that being as cell phones transmit over publicly (licensed, but still public), federally owned frequencies, that this becomes an FBI matter? Make a state to state call, and it's now an ever bigger crime.

Two ESNs cannot share a number, two phones cannot share an ESN. Are there ways to make two phones have the same ESN? Yes. Will it work properly? No.

[FloorMatt]

Um.. yes I realize that its one phone# per sim-card. By getting the same end result of having the ability to use whatever owned phone I'd like with ease, how again is it not like a sim-card's purpose? Wouldnt it also be stupid if switching a sim-card resets your new phone rebate status too?

Also if you have two phones and one breaks and you dont have lockline. And you need a phone right away so you activate the OLD phone temporarily and it resets your new phone rebate status. Isnt that stupid? Thank god I dont have that problem. I just wish CDMA technologies could support sim-cards.

And I still stand behind my comment "'I'd just prefer the options of using whatever phone I own when I would like to (like the people who have Sim-Card phones)".

http://www.cdmatech.com/solutions/products/r-uim.jsp

You should be saying.......I just wish the CDMA carriers would support R-UIM cards. (And phone manufacturers)

There is one US CDMA phone (that I know off hand) that has a UIM slot.......the Nokia 6255i. But.....look at this, from the manual:

[skewba_steve]

Sooooo. Tell me. Do you just wake up in the morning and say, "Hey, today is a good day to commit a federal felony! I'll start by breaking half the FCC regulations!"?

You do realize that being as cell phones transmit over publicly (licensed, but still public), federally owned frequencies, that this becomes an FBI matter? Make a state to state call, and it's now an ever bigger crime.

Two ESNs cannot share a number, two phones cannot share an ESN. Are there ways to make two phones have the same ESN? Yes. Will it work properly? No.


Does anyone get CAUGHT for using illegal satellite access cards over publicly (licensed, but still public), federally owned frequencies? no

I guess making PCS-PCS calls on my account is a crime along with making nationwide calls too.

thank you for telling me about breaking half the fcc regulations though every once in a while Mr. FBI :lol:

Oh by the way it does work properly, i wonder where you got that fact.

[Concentric190]

Funny thing is that every once in a while I still get text messages and voicemail notifications on my sanyo 5500 after I had sprint switch my number over to my treo 650. Its been a couple months since i switched it too! And it goes to both phones, and ive never tamperd with either of them.

[skewba_steve]

Yeah I've been wondering that same thing!

[swoolfolk]

Heres how it works with mine. If someone calls me both phones will ring. When you press talk on phone A, phone B will stop ringing. Same thing works with the web, say your talking on Phone A and you click on the web with Phone B, it immediatly hangs up the conversation you were having on Phone A. So basically the same ESN can't be logged onto the system more than once. But you can have as many phones as you want with the same ESN, only able to use one at a time. Oh and about being flagged, just make sure the phones are being used in the same exact location. Never use them apart because thats one of the ways they detect clones. I guess I should stop talking and hope that no store reps read this although most will still believe its impossible :lol:

I'm now retired but I used to work for a major phone company. I had a Motorola
base station in my truck and hand held that I carried in my shirt pocket. They both
had the same number and the both rang at the same time. If I answered one the other
would stop ringing. In fact the base station would blow the horn in my truck. The cell
phone switching equipment was made by Nortel and the cell phone company was Alltel.
Both fine companies. No, I didn't work for either, but have many friends that do.

[Bohemian Iconoclast]

This is a for-the-record post. You own both phones, so the criminality is lower than other cases, but you are not 100% safe. If you don't get caught, no harm no foul...*IF*
I wish you the best...


Does anyone get CAUGHT for using illegal satellite access cards over publicly (licensed, but still public), federally owned frequencies? no

It is true that no one on the consumer level has been busted...but others have. This page is an interesting read: http://www.scramblingnews.com/piracyfaq.htm



I guess making PCS-PCS calls on my account is a crime along with making nationwide calls too.

thank you for telling me about breaking half the FCC regulations though every once in a while Mr. FBI :lol:

His hyperbole about breaking half the FCC regulations seriously undercut his position...
This is an FBI web page with interesting things to say: http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/1997/apr971.htm

[winmax]

There are a number of services that ring multiple lines from one #. I do it with Vonage. When you call my Voip line my cell and office line also ring. First to answer gets the call.

[hploco]

Funny thing is that every once in a while I still get text messages and voicemail notifications on my sanyo 5500 after I had sprint switch my number over to my treo 650. Its been a couple months since i switched it too! And it goes to both phones, and ive never tamperd with either of them.

Remember Sprint logs the ESN of all the phones you have activated on your account, since you said you haven't tempperd with it I sup that it still has the same # as your current cell so that's why you recive the TXT now for the phone call sprint verifies that the ESN and # that the CELL SENDS are the ones current in the system when a txt is sent it just looks for the #. It also happens with a VM it happened a couple times to me untill I turned off my other phone.

Heres how it works with mine. If someone calls me both phones will ring. When you press talk on phone A, phone B will stop ringing. ... So basically the same ESN can't be logged onto the system more than once. But you can have as many phones as you want with the same ESN, only able to use one at a time. I guess I should stop talking and hope that no store reps read this although most will still believe its impossible :lol:

Both phones will work A & B I was a tec. in D.R. and "tested" this with MY CELL, I might point out, two samsung 8500 at the time they where the esiest to clone. both would work at the same time and I could talk as if it where 3-way. After this the cell provider implemented another messurment of security: A-KEY so after that it was imposible to clone a cell for more then 1 call, on that network, because of the fact that the A-KEY automaticly changes with every call made. Imagine ESN + PHONE # + A-KEY(changed on every call) almost bulletprof.