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NwIndianasFines
06-17-2005, 08:27 PM
I live in Chicago so I say Cubs but not too big of a baseball fan...
FloorMatt
06-17-2005, 08:33 PM
Houston Astros, of course :cool:
The NL pennant will be theirs this season. :D
(Stupid Cardinals beat the Astros for it last season.....grrr........at least the Red Sox won :) )
Rollin
06-17-2005, 08:44 PM
I've liked the Yankees since Don Mattingly was playing there... don't really care about baseball much though.
vman51
06-20-2005, 11:23 PM
i cant ever remember not being a yankee fan..
in the nl, i used to like the diamondbacks and mat williams, but, ever since (i just cant remember his name) hit that single into center and won in the seventh game of the ninth inning, i had to stop being a diamondback fan
Bumble
06-20-2005, 11:25 PM
Boston Red Sox :headbang2
gmitch528
06-21-2005, 07:15 PM
:indiff: Cincinnati Reds
Carterism
06-21-2005, 07:47 PM
Well I'm from SF bay area so I like the Oakland A's and the Giants even if they suck right now ..hehe
Luckie7
06-25-2005, 03:12 PM
Giants all the way baby, and don't worry, they'll come around.
NwIndianasFines
06-25-2005, 03:13 PM
Cubs Sox playing this weekend!!!! Good games! :headbang2
steb0ne
06-25-2005, 03:28 PM
Boston Red Sox :headbang2
Yeah, me too!! I hope we play the Yankees again the the playoffs.
NwIndianasFines
06-26-2005, 07:48 PM
yay Cubs took the series 2-1 :clap:
jaytv
06-26-2005, 08:07 PM
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The Los Angeles Dodgers Of Los Angeles, and whoever is playing the Giants!
tbakergobuck
06-26-2005, 10:40 PM
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It`s not easy but I`m aTribe fan. Next year i think they might do something.
upp3r 3ch3lon
06-28-2005, 01:48 AM
The dodgers baby!!!! of LOS ANGELES.
Antroy
06-28-2005, 10:47 PM
The Chicago Cubs all the way.
NwIndianasFines
06-29-2005, 04:50 PM
The Chicago Cubs all the way.
:clap:
hahaha, im a yankees fan....they are in trouble this year, no pitching....i dont know y u would sign a 41 year old pitcher if his name is not roger clemens but steinbrenner also traded jay buhner, i'll be glad when he's gone
FloorMatt
06-29-2005, 06:58 PM
Astros = wonderful pitchers :clap:
freebird
06-29-2005, 07:04 PM
no other team than the cubs
nck4857
06-29-2005, 11:22 PM
STL CARDINALS ALL THE WAY
--will be some good cards/cubs games coming up!
NwIndianasFines
06-30-2005, 07:41 AM
no other team than the cubs
And another 1 :clap:
Carterism
06-30-2005, 11:23 AM
Oakland A's all way... :headbang2
NwIndianasFines
06-30-2005, 07:46 PM
Oakland A's all way... :headbang2
I used to like Rickey Henderson back in the day!!
Raider_Nation21
07-18-2005, 04:43 AM
Chad Cordero and the Washington Nationals baby!!!!!!!!!
GaryK
07-18-2005, 11:46 AM
New York Yankees! Look out Boston here we come! just a half game from 1st place in AL East.
theCvgUnit
07-18-2005, 12:36 PM
The Bronx Bombers.....the second half is ours
Javierstriumph
08-05-2005, 05:27 PM
The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim or as I knew them before as the Anaheim Angels.
Ianbiz
08-06-2005, 04:02 PM
yankEES
allnamestaken10
04-14-2007, 02:28 PM
the reds of course
tbakergobuck
04-14-2007, 03:27 PM
thread comes back from the dead. lol
Wayne 1
04-14-2007, 04:43 PM
HeHe Baseball is good! :Popcorn2:
cirruslyloud
04-14-2007, 08:57 PM
i just seen little big league today. love those minnesota twins, lol
king_koopa
04-14-2007, 09:32 PM
I love Dice-K. but saying im from Houston, its the stros.
penelope jane.
04-15-2007, 09:33 AM
Hints: They're always good. They're vintage Americana. They wear pinstripes.
penelope jane.
tbakergobuck
04-15-2007, 11:26 AM
It's a long seasnon but I think the Cleveland Indians right now have the best starting pitching staff in baseball. Knock on wook they stay healthy all year. :fingers:
tbakergobuck
04-19-2007, 08:21 PM
Can't beleave my Indains blew a 4 run lead in the 9 with 2 outs today against the Yankees. Looks like I might have spoke to soon about my Indians pitching staff but CC didn't pitch. A-Rod is hot right now but he can set all kind of records during the season but what matters is what he does in the playoffs.
tel0004
04-19-2007, 09:10 PM
:indiff: Cincinnati Reds
x2 ..
jaytv
04-19-2007, 09:38 PM
Who has the best record in baseball? Hmmmm, let's see:
The Los Angeles Dodgers!
This could be a very good year...
aplm610
06-06-2007, 04:40 PM
Houston Astros, of course :cool:
The NL pennant will be theirs this season. :D
(Stupid Cardinals beat the Astros for it last season.....grrr........at least the Red Sox won :) )
I'm with you on this one...Go 'Stros!! :clap:
(ok, I realize his post was about 2 years ago...so yeah...I'm still for the Stros though...hehe)
tbakergobuck
06-30-2007, 07:36 PM
Oakland A's all way... :headbang2My Cleavland Indians finally got the best of them taking 3 out 4 last week. :p Go Tribe!!! :)
james2K
07-01-2007, 03:52 PM
once the tigers pitching gets back on track they'll be tough for anyone to beat. it's nice when they score 10 runs and win but they're always allowing 4 or more. makes it tough to win when you aren't hitting well and your pitching can't stop anyone.
tbakergobuck
07-01-2007, 04:20 PM
The Tigers are good but I think they blew there oportunity last year. Cleveland hasen't been hitting that good lately but there still winning games. The Tribe just got Westbrook back and there pitching staff is pretty good as well. If they stay healthy they'll have a chance to win the division or at least make it in the playoffs. I just really hope the Yankees don't make it to the playoffs. lol
james2K
07-01-2007, 04:29 PM
I just really hope the Yankees don't make it to the playoffs.
:headbang2 :lol:
I see a Det/Cle ALCS :fingers: payback ;)
Gadgetgirl
08-12-2007, 12:02 AM
Yankees, baby! :headbang2 My boyfriend is a staunch Mets lover so I don't know how the heck we make it :1zhelp: Ironically, I have Dishnet and I lost Yes Network when left Cablevision. Of course the Mets channel is available to me...grrr
Evan702
08-12-2007, 12:05 AM
Oakland A's!
king_koopa
08-12-2007, 10:16 AM
Can't believe Lidge blew a save with back to back homers last night :frustrate:
tbakergobuck
08-12-2007, 05:02 PM
My dam Indians better get it together and start scoring some runs. Yanks are on fire right now but hopefully they cool off soon. :fingers: I know the Yanks own the Tribe but remember there is over a $134 million difference in payroll. lol
DJRider
08-12-2007, 05:22 PM
I'm a Yankee fan and we are on fire! The Mariners are too and its going to be interesting down the stretch.
Raeg03
08-22-2007, 10:14 PM
Tigers for the past 10 years, love um or hate um...right now i hateum, cant keep a winning streak alive to save them...
clairegrrl
08-22-2007, 10:16 PM
Rockies
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Colorado-Rockies---05-Logo-Cap-and-Glove-Photograph-C11738556.jpeg
jayjus
09-23-2007, 08:42 PM
New York Mets baby all my life even the tough years
Gadgetgirl
09-24-2007, 08:20 AM
I'm a Yankee fan and we are on fire! The Mariners are too and its going to be interesting down the stretch.
Fellow Yank lover here! :headbang2 So, have you been clutching your heart the last few games like me? I know Sat. night when we lost (I don't say they lost and we won) that heartbreaker in the 14th I was drowning my sorrows with Goose&Juice :lol:
NINO63004
09-24-2007, 09:12 AM
im a tiger fan but even bigger BOSTON RED SOX FAN!
Nino
tbakergobuck
09-24-2007, 09:35 PM
Nino Pick one or the other. lol Wahoo Indians 2007 AL Central Champs!
NINO63004
09-24-2007, 10:02 PM
http://www.zoneradio.com/wzon/e107_images/newspost_images/redsox_good_logo.jpg
there you go tbaker. since they tigers are probably not going to make the playoffs GO BOSTON!!!
Nino
olddog
09-25-2007, 02:30 AM
I live in San Diego, so I guess I should be a Padres fan, but I grew up in Queens NY,so I'm a Mets fan. My husband and son are rabid Red Sox fans.
kulnet
09-25-2007, 08:08 AM
Astros fan for life here. Ok, so they didn't have the greatest of seasons but everybody has an off year.
kulnet
09-25-2007, 10:21 AM
I must admit that y'all have one beautiful stadium. That backdrop is quite the view.
acunn1
10-01-2007, 11:54 AM
phillies Nl East Div Champs !!!!!!!
Gadgetgirl
10-01-2007, 07:14 PM
phillies Nl East Div Champs !!!!!!!
And as a Yankee fan/Mets hater let me send congrats. Of course now that the post season is near the cheers come with an expiration date! :hee:
OGGrey
10-01-2007, 07:55 PM
Go Cubbies!!!
DJRider
10-02-2007, 09:25 AM
Avid Yankee fan here! Lets go Yankees!
some18mybrain
10-02-2007, 10:15 AM
Same here. Let's hope Mr. April to September(A-Rod for those who don't know) actually shows up this post season.....
tbakergobuck
10-02-2007, 10:23 AM
Go Cleveland Indians!! Thinking about going to thursday or fridays game.
some18mybrain
10-02-2007, 10:51 AM
Anyone know why there is such a long break this year before the divisional series begins?
some18mybrain
10-05-2007, 09:33 AM
It's amazing how the Yankees can go 6-0 against the Indians all season, and they pick the playoffs to start losing to them....lol
DJRider
10-05-2007, 11:13 AM
I can't wait till 5 pm and put that awful game behind me!
Go Yankees! :headbang2
fr8hlr
10-05-2007, 09:06 PM
Go Cubs!!!!
some18mybrain
10-05-2007, 09:14 PM
Looks like the Yanks managed to lose again....it's amazing how they just forget how to play baseball once the post season begins lately.
DJRider
10-05-2007, 09:47 PM
Looks like the Yanks managed to lose again....it's amazing how they just forget how to play baseball once the post season begins lately.
Yeah gonna be a long nite thinking about that game. I even feel buggy after watching all those flying ants all over the players.
tbakergobuck
10-05-2007, 10:07 PM
First off it doesn't matter in any sport what you do in the regular season, what matters is what you do in the playoffs. Alex Rodriguez had a great season but is 4-for-47 with zero RBIs in his last 14 playoff games. :td:
Cleveland's first series of the season was snowed out. Now in October it's still humid. :werd: The bugs bothered both teams but they seemed to bother the Yankees more. Both starting pitchers pitched great games but it's to bad that the bugs are getting talked about more. If anyone can come back it's the Yankees and if there is a game 5 in Cleveland I'll be there. I'm so mad I didn't go to tonights game but I couldn't get off work.
DJRider
10-05-2007, 10:27 PM
First off it doesn't matter in any sport what you do in the regular season, what matters is what you do in the playoffs. Alex Rodriguez had a great season but is 4-for-47 with zero RBIs in his last 14 playoff games. :td:
Cleveland's first series of the season was snowed out. Now in October it's still humid. :werd: The bugs bothered both teams but they seemed to bother the Yankees more. Both starting pitchers pitched great games but it's to bad that the bugs are getting talked about more. If anyone can come back it's the Yankees and if there is a game 5 in Cleveland I'll be there. I'm so mad I didn't go to tonights game but I couldn't get off work.
It was a great game and of course the Yankees are capable of coming back. I think the bugs are being talked about because it was very weird to say the least to see the players necks and heads covered in bugs. lol I'd love to go to Yankee Stadium Sunday nite but theres no way I can possible get a ticket unless I pay some ridiculous amount of cash.
Now I wish it was Sunday! :headbang2
tbakergobuck
10-05-2007, 11:34 PM
Yea I know the bug issue was weird but I think the media can blow things up. I didn't see the bugs that much when the Indians had the bases loaded and Hafner hit the game winning hit. What a performance the Indians pitching staff has been doing to a great hitting team. :)
NINO63004
10-06-2007, 02:10 AM
great boston game tonight. manny with the 3 fun walk off in the bottom of the 9th. I had my bostin sweater and hat on today both of which were bought in boston :)
Nino
some18mybrain
10-06-2007, 08:51 AM
If the Yankees want to keep alive, they're going to have to find a way to get the bats hot again. I agree, if any team can do it, it is the Yankees. I'll be watching all three(Hopefully) of the final games to see what happens.
of course it will be the red sox-they are video taping the opposing teams defensive calls just like the Pats.
Go Sox-Go Pats!!!!!!
DJRider
10-06-2007, 10:45 PM
Well by this time tomorrow nite I will either have a ray of hope or be heavily depressed! lol
But if the Tribe beats my Yankees, I'm on the Tribe bandwagon because everyone knows how Yankee fans feel about the Red Sox! :fingers:
tbakergobuck
10-09-2007, 08:46 AM
I must admit it's great to see a team that only has a 56 Million dollar payroll (Indians) beat a team in the playoffs with a 198 Million dollar payroll (Yankees). :D Sorry George your not going to buy your ring this year but maybe next year you will break 300 Million. :hee:
Gadgetgirl
10-09-2007, 09:49 AM
Well by this time tomorrow nite I will either have a ray of hope or be heavily depressed! lol
But if the Tribe beats my Yankees, I'm on the Tribe bandwagon because everyone knows how Yankee fans feel about the Red Sox! :fingers:
I'd sooner drink 3 month old milk sitting out in the sun from a dead cat's stomach than cheer a team that just beat me! I posted my feelings about the crumbling that is The Yankees on myspace and baseball is pretty much a wrap for me until next year. I'll only check to see if Torre will indeed be fired, if Arod will stay and what our farm system will produce as far as pitching as we need better backup for our youth on the team.
(sigh) I feel a migraine coming on...
some18mybrain
10-09-2007, 10:26 AM
Well, I will cheer on the Indians, if only for the fact that they are playing the Red Sox in the ALCS, and it's the lesser of two evils. I will be rooting more heavily for Colorado. Those guys have busted their butts to get where they are now, and I would like to see all that hard work pay off for them.
And to quote every Yankee fan out there........
"There's always next year" - That should be the new team motto BTW....LOL
DJRider
10-09-2007, 10:43 AM
Well, I will cheer on the Indians, if only for the fact that they are playing the Red Sox in the ALCS, and it's the lesser of two evils. I will be rooting more heavily for Colorado. Those guys have busted their butts to get where they are now, and I would like to see all that hard work pay off for them.
And to quote every Yankee fan out there........
"There's always next year" - That should be the new team motto BTW....LOL
I am with you. I'd root for anybody against the Red Sox. And I mean anybody! After the Indians knock them out I won't even pay attention anymore. It will be wait till next year for me.
some18mybrain
10-12-2007, 07:08 AM
WOW....can ANYBODY beat the Rockies right now???
DJRider
10-12-2007, 10:28 PM
WOW....can ANYBODY beat the Rockies right now???
They are one hot team right now. They picked the perfect time to go on a hot streak!
tbakergobuck
10-13-2007, 01:44 PM
Not sure what is going on with CC in the playoffs. Manny never made those catches when he played in Cleveland. Actually he didn't catch the one. Come on Carmona.
tbakergobuck
10-14-2007, 10:10 AM
Wow what a game. The Indians set a playoff record scoring 7 runs in a extra inning game. It was worth staying up till 1:30am and getting up at 6am. lol Go Tribe!
DJRider
10-14-2007, 09:55 PM
Please send the Red Sox home down and out. Don't think I dislike any team as much as I do them, lol
some18mybrain
10-15-2007, 09:55 AM
I'll be cheering on the Indians tonight through Wednesday....Send those Red Sox HOME!!
kizzel32
10-15-2007, 10:28 AM
Yeah, I'd like to see the Red Sox lose, but will anybody even watch the world series? Rockies vs. Indians... you have to be from those cities or be a serious baseball fan.
some18mybrain
10-16-2007, 07:08 AM
Rockies completed the sweep on the Diamondbacks last night......They might make it interesting this year....not sure how they'll be after an 8 day rest though....hope that doesn't cool them off.
tbakergobuck
10-16-2007, 08:10 AM
Westbrook pitched a great game and Lofton came up big once again. Popy made a silly base error getting hit by the ball which might have cost them a run. The game better not get rained out tonight. I hope Boston pitches Wakefield.
some18mybrain
10-18-2007, 06:30 AM
I hope the Indians can finish off the Red Sox tonight....
DJRider
10-18-2007, 10:16 AM
I hope the Indians can finish off the Red Sox tonight....
Yeah I feel the same way. I can't wait till they are finished off. Lets go Indians!
tbakergobuck
10-20-2007, 06:26 PM
Tribe Time :)
DJRider
10-20-2007, 07:34 PM
I'm hoping they end it tonite. Be a fitting send off to Curt Schilling! :headbang2 Watching the Sox lose will help with some of my pain that I'm feeeling with the Joe Torre reign ending. I still can not believe they fired a manager that made the playoffs 12 years in a row. Its tough being a Yankee fan this off season. Go Indians!
NINO63004
10-20-2007, 07:57 PM
BOSTON!!!!!!
Nino
some18mybrain
10-22-2007, 06:49 AM
Time to cheer on the Rockies!
Gadgetgirl
10-22-2007, 07:50 AM
Time to cheer on the Rockies!
(Sigh) With Joe Torre gone and BoSox in the World Series I feel like a kid who got a pair of underwear instead of the Tonka Truck or dollhouse. :(
Oh yea, Go Rockies!
kulnet
10-22-2007, 08:02 AM
Unbelieveable. Cleveland really choked on that one. I wasn't pulling for either team so it really doesn't matter in the end. However, Cleveland losing is a disgrace. Anyway, go Rockies! I guess...
DJRider
10-22-2007, 08:14 AM
Go Rockies!
some18mybrain
10-22-2007, 09:00 AM
(Sigh) With Joe Torre gone and BoSox in the World Series I feel like a kid who got a pair of underwear instead of the Tonka Truck or dollhouse. :(
Oh yea, Go Rockies!
I feel your pain. But it may not be over completely for Torre. They may come back with a better offer. Highly unlikely, but you never know.
Gadgetgirl
10-22-2007, 10:10 AM
I feel your pain. But it may not be over completely for Torre. They may come back with a better offer. Highly unlikely, but you never know.
:fingers: I swear I'm praying that Torre receives an apology and a better deal to bring him back. I don't blame him one bit for walking away and I haven't really been able to read much of the sports section because I get depressed over the state of the team.
Urg, let me make it through the World Series...
tbakergobuck
10-22-2007, 11:13 PM
I'm just disappointed C.C and Carmona the Indians #1 and #2 pitchers didn't pitch like they did all year. The Indians are young and have some great talent so they will only get better. I just hope someday baseball gets a salary cap because I'm tired of seeing teams buy rings.
NINO63004
10-23-2007, 12:27 AM
I'm just disappointed C.C and Carmona the Indians #1 and #2 pitchers didn't pitch like they did all year. The Indians are young and have some great talent so they will only get better. I just hope someday baseball gets a salary cap because I'm tired of seeing teams buy rings.
Boston didn't just win the game b/c they have a higher salary cap. They played well and the Indians played well too. Boston just took advantage of Indians mistakes.
Nino
DJRider
10-23-2007, 09:23 AM
Boston didn't just win the game b/c they have a higher salary cap. They played well and the Indians played well too. Boston just took advantage of Indians mistakes.
Nino
I used to think the higher salary caps for some teams were unfair. Then after reading into all the money the teams are making, it made it clear about one thing.
All these teams are making tons of money. The bottom line is some of the owners put the money back into the team, while other owners stick it in their pockets.
They buy teams that are on the verge of being successful and then sell players off to pocket even more money. Well I'm off my soapbox and back to the Worlsd Series.
Lets go Rockies, and thats because I am a Yankee fan, lol
tbakergobuck
10-23-2007, 09:42 AM
Boston didn't just win the game b/c they have a higher salary cap. They played well and the Indians played well too. Boston just took advantage of Indians mistakes.
NinoI never said Boston just won the game/series because they have a high payroll, but you can't say it doesn't help. I wonder how good the Indians could be if they spent 80 million more to match Boston's 143 million payroll. Boston spent 23 million more then last year. If Cleveland had the money then they could resign good players. Every once in awhile a low budget team wins which makes me very happy but that doesn't happen that much. I know money doesn't always buy success but Do you think the Yankees would make it to 6 World Series in the last 10 years if they had a 80 million payroll? Probably not.
http://blog.sportscolumn.com/story/2007/4/9/1367/60158
NINO63004
10-23-2007, 10:29 AM
I never said Boston just won the game/series because they have a high payroll, but you can't say it doesn't help. I wonder how good the Indians could be if they spent 80 million more to match Boston's 143 million payroll. Boston spent 23 million more then last year. If Cleveland had the money then they could resign good players. Every once in awhile a low budget team wins which makes me very happy but that doesn't happen that much. I know money doesn't always buy success but Do you think the Yankees would make it to 6 World Series in the last 10 years if they had a 80 million payroll? Probably not.
http://blog.sportscolumn.com/story/2007/4/9/1367/60158
yeh i understand your point. having a higher payroll does help. i was never a fan of the Yankees because it seemed like every big name player who was signed with a huge contract always complained or something. Basically im talking about A-Rod. I'm a Boston fan but if they would of lost i would be a rooting for the Indians to win.
Nino
tbakergobuck
10-23-2007, 10:57 AM
I'm a Boston fan but if they would of lost i would be a rooting for the Indians to win.
Ninocool. I didn't mention this but the Indians had a few unlucky breaks against Boston when the ball hit the lip of the grass taking bad hops, a close play at second base which I think Lofton fingers touched the base before he was tagged. It figures the Indians get a hit after that and the Indians 3rd base coach should've sent Lofton because Manny wasn't even going to throw home. Who knows what would've happend if all that stuff went the Indians way but really what it comes down to is CC. and Carmona didn't pitch good.
DJRider
10-23-2007, 11:56 AM
No matter how much you spend, no matter how good your team looks on paper, it all comes down to the luck of the draw. If you get on a roll during the playoffs, you're a winner. Unfortunately in the playoffs the best team doesn't always win and fortunately either does the team with the highest payroll.
I will say this being a Yankee fan. If George Steinbrenner was the owner of any other team in baseball, the people in that city would love him because he puts the money back into the team and tries to win.
Look what happen to the Marlins after they beat the Yankees in the World Series. The owner took his money, sold his players off and then the team. It isn't fair to expect George to share his money with owners like that just so they can pocket the money for themselves.
The other point is that this present Yankee team is mostly homegrown. Jeter, Cano, Pettite, Rivera, Cabrera, Wang, Chamberlain, Hughes,,,,,well you get the point, lol. Its actually the Red Sox who have wnet out int he recent years and added players. Not to mention 28 million just to speak to Dice-K!
The only solution is a salary cap and the players union will never let that happen!
DJRider
10-23-2007, 12:39 PM
Here's an amazing story about Randy Levine who is President of the Yankees and running the team. In NY we have a sports talk radio show that is televised on YES, its called Mike and the Mad Dog. They have been doing the show for over 20 years and Yes is the Yankees tv station and owned by them.
Mike Francessa and Chris Russo have been clobbering Levine and claim he is responsible for Torre being fired. Now Levine is threatening to end the simulcast on Yes. Oh and by the way they said "screw em" someone else will pick us up! Makes me embarrassed to be a Yankee fan.
I will post the link and the story. Talk about taking your ball home with ya, because you're losing!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/23/sports/baseball/23sandomir.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin
Yankees’ Levine Cries Foul on Criticism
Kathy Willens/Associated Press
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By RICHARD SANDOMIR
Published: October 23, 2007
For most of the past 34 years, George Steinbrenner could be reliably blamed for hiring and firing Yankee managers because you knew he was in charge. But the end of the Joe Torre era last week shoved the Steinbrenner sons onto a stage they had never been on before and brought the team’s president, Randy Levine, a level of public prominence well beyond his crucial role in developing the new Yankee Stadium.
Levine was the lead voice during a conference call in which he described Torre’s rejection of a one-year, $5 million contract that could have grown to $8 million with performance bonuses.
Levine was going to take heat. With Steinbrenner in retreat, no one personifies the business interests of the Yankees like Levine, whose portfolio includes the stadium, the YES Network, the structuring of contracts and arbitration.
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But that is changing. Levine, a deputy mayor under the former mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, called me Sunday to say that he could deal with criticism but that he was displeased that he had been stung by people with “undisclosed conflicts of interest.”
Case No. 1: Mike Francesa and Chris Russo. Levine said that the radio team at WFAN lit him up as the Yankees’ executive most responsible for offering Torre the contract he rejected, but that Francesa and Russo did not disclose that Levine has, in his role on the YES board, questioned the value of simulcasting their daily program on YES.
“I have seriously questioned the money that YES pays them and whether it’s an appropriate fit for the time spot at YES,” he said, adding that the terms of the current three-year deal were ultimately agreed upon. “But next year it’s up again, and it’s convenient for them to attack me to help their own negotiating position.”
It’s to Francesa and Russo’s credit that they have bitten the hands that pay them.
But Russo said yesterday: “Randy deserves credit for letting us do our thing on YES and letting us be critical. But the last thing I was thinking about when I was talking about Joe Torre was my future at the YES Network.” He said that it would be more bothersome if he and Francesa attacked Levine without disclosing that they disliked their deal. “I have no problem with YES,” he said.
Robert M. Steele, a professor and ethics expert at the Poynter Institute, said, “To me, Levine’s roles are significant, both with Torre and with the business relationship” that YES has with Francesa and Russo. He added, “If somebody had asked me ahead of time, I’d say disclose the relationship.”
Case No. 2: Tom Verducci of Sports Illustrated. Verducci wrote in a column on SI.com last week that under Levine, “the Yankees let corporate cowardice be their guide” and that “there is blood everywhere on Levine and the boys” over the handling of the Torre contract.
Levine questioned Verducci’s objectivity because he collaborated on Torre’s 1997 autobiography, “Chasing the Dream.” “They had a financial relationship,” Levine said.
Verducci said he didn’t regard disclosure of his old Torre book deal as necessary in his first critical article about Levine. Still, at some journalistic outposts, he would have been prohibited from having such a relationship with someone on his beat.
“It’s 10 years ago and clearly a matter of public record,” he said. “So I don’t regard it as anything that’s covert at all.” He added that he had been a paid commentator on YES, “and my appearances have been approved by Randy.”
Steele said that while he didn’t think Verducci was hiding anything, he added that, “I’d argue that it’s better to be forthright and write, ‘By the way, I collaborated with Torre on a book.’”
Case No. 3: John Kruk of ESPN. Levine said that Kruk, an analyst on “Baseball Tonight,” singled him out Thursday for leading Torre to the exit — and that General Manager Brian Cashman did not agree with the move — but failed to mention that he and Torre share the same agent, Maury Gostfrand.
“I never called anyone out by name,” Kruk said. “I don’t know Randy Levine. I don’t know what he does. The meanest thing I said is they didn’t have the guts to fire Joe, so they made him an offer they knew he couldn’t accept.”
That two people in baseball would have the same agent is not immediate reason for suspicion. “But unless Kruk and Torre were involved in some kind of three-part negotiation with their agent,” Steele said, “I don’t see the relevance.”
NINO63004
10-23-2007, 01:12 PM
cool. I didn't mention this but the Indians had a few unlucky breaks against Boston when the ball hit the lip of the grass taking bad hops, a close play at second base which I think Lofton fingers touched the base before he was tagged. It figures the Indians get a hit after that and the Indians 3rd base coach should've sent Lofton because Manny wasn't even going to throw home. Who knows what would've happend if all that stuff went the Indians way but really what it comes down to is CC. and Carmona didn't pitch good.
agree completely.
Nino
tbakergobuck
10-23-2007, 06:31 PM
Oh one last thing and I don't want to even think about it anymore is that I'm not really sure if the Indians played as hard as they could the last week of the regular season. I think Boston and Cleveland tied records and Boston beat them more games. That's why Boston got home field advantage. If the Indians won just one more game in the regular season then they would've had home field advantage right? If so that's crazy.
DJRider
10-23-2007, 11:11 PM
Oh one last thing and I don't want to even think about it anymore is that I'm not really sure if the Indians played as hard as they could the last week of the regular season. I think Boston and Cleveland tied records and Boston beat them more games. That's why Boston got home field advantage. If the Indians won just one more game in the regular season then they would've had home field advantage right? If so that's crazy.
Not at all, home field is a big advantage! :tu:
some18mybrain
10-24-2007, 09:06 AM
Well, tonight is the first game of the World Series. Anyone else wondering why it's starting on a Wednesday all of a sudden?? It always used to start on Saturday. Oh Well....GO ROCKIES!
DJRider
10-24-2007, 10:28 AM
Let's go Rockies!
tbakergobuck
10-24-2007, 01:46 PM
It would be nice to have someone new win the World Series so let's go Rockies.
Studintx
10-24-2007, 03:06 PM
i'm all for the Rockies too!!
NINO63004
10-24-2007, 03:14 PM
I'm all for Boston! Go Red Sox!
Nino
ANGELS RULE!!!
:bang::bang::bang:
wearmaize
02-20-2008, 01:47 PM
Speaking of thread revivals... this is a few months old....
GO TIGERS!! RAWR!
Remember the bugs in the Cleveland game? That was pretty cool.
jimmyeat311
02-20-2008, 02:15 PM
SOX BABY...ITS ALL ABOUT THE RED SOX....repeat?!?!?
ahfrederick
02-20-2008, 03:42 PM
There's only ONE team from L.A. and that's the DODGERS!!!! Think Blue! :tu:
jimmyeat311
02-20-2008, 03:57 PM
the dodge are my nl team...although it will be weird to root for them with the ex yankee head coach...but you know what...im still waiting for a sox v. dodge world series
DJRider
02-20-2008, 04:43 PM
The Yankees, it always the Yankees! 26 World Championship teams and 39 American League pennant winners. There is nothing more to add! :D
jimmyeat311
02-20-2008, 05:02 PM
cept there a bunch of roid ragers.....haha jk...
iggyclyde
02-20-2008, 05:07 PM
Philly through and through, unfortunately nothing to cheer about for 28 years!!
It would be nice to have someone new win the World Series so let's go Rockies.
you're right, someone new like
the
CUBS
jaytv
02-20-2008, 06:10 PM
Hope springs eternal...Go Dodger Blue!
I think with some good fortune, this could be our year, plus it is the 50 year anniversary of the LA Dodgers..
wavezero
02-20-2008, 06:29 PM
Mariners all the way. We now have arguably the best pitching staff in the league and bring back the same team that challanged the west last year (less doper Gullien).
Yankees:
1. Someone needs to do a beatles cover called "can't buy me a championship"
2. Is anyone surprised that they are the team with all the druggies?
3. How wonderful is it that A-wad has yet to win a championship?
johnny hotsauce
02-20-2008, 06:40 PM
Cubbies baby!
DJRider
02-20-2008, 06:53 PM
Mariners all the way. We now have arguably the best pitching staff in the league and bring back the same team that challanged the west last year (less doper Gullien).
Yankees:
1. Someone needs to do a beatles cover called "can't buy me a championship"
2. Is anyone surprised that they are the team with all the druggies?
3. How wonderful is it that A-wad has yet to win a championship?
Being a Yankee fan I love when people attack the Yankees. That brings out the jealous nature and envy of every fan wishing their team was the YANKEES! :laughing:
But alas they are not! :bang:
NASCAR14FAN
02-20-2008, 06:54 PM
I was a die hard baseball fan until the strike! My fav team was the Pirates. I still watch a game now and then, but I'm not as big anymore! Thank god for NASCAR :tu:
jimmyeat311
02-20-2008, 07:11 PM
i dont envy the yanks...i actually loath them...i am quite happy bein a sox fan...even when we were losing every year...its that home town pride...plus the sox always put up a good fight...and this year we are primed for a repeat...lets hope....
DJRider
02-20-2008, 07:31 PM
i dont envy the yanks...i actually loath them...i am quite happy bein a sox fan...even when we were losing every year...its that home town pride...plus the sox always put up a good fight...and this year we are primed for a repeat...lets hope....
We have that home town pride too, and we always put up a good fight, and we have not won in 7 years. But there will be no repeat for the Sox. The Giants broke the Beantown roll when we beat the 19-0 Patriots. Oh I'm sorry, they never did win that 19th game, that darn book, lol :D
But when a team pays 26 million just to speak to a pitcher from Japan, and thats without the signing, I do not want to hear how the Yankees buy the pennant. May the season start, and let the games begin. I can not wait.
DJRider
02-20-2008, 07:38 PM
Doble Post grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
DJRider
02-20-2008, 07:38 PM
i dont envy the yanks...i actually loath them...i am quite happy bein a sox fan...even when we were losing every year...its that home town pride...plus the sox always put up a good fight...and this year we are primed for a repeat...lets hope....
We have that home town pride too, and we always put up a good fight, and we have not won in 7 years. But there will be no repeat for the Sox. The Giants broke the Beantown roll when we beat the 19-0 Patriots. Oh I'm sorry, they never did win that 19th game, that darn book, lol :D
But when a team pays 26 million just to speak to a pitcher from Japan, and thats without the signing, I do not want to hear how the Yankees buy the pennant. May the season start, and let the games begin. I can not wait. :tu:
jimmyeat311
02-20-2008, 08:02 PM
oh i dont think the yanks buy pennants...i do know that if there is a player out there that is looking to make mint money then the yanks are a good place too go...but that being said i feel that the yanks usually do get the highest payed players but it seems almost like it is a team of individuals...and not too much of a team effort...
also yes...the giants did break my heart but i still dont think that broke the beantown roll...we still have time with the celts...
but i do believe that the yanks will finish 3rd this year. no disrespect to them but i feel that it will be a rough year with the new manager and all the outside disctractions about the yankees and the mitchell report...plus who knows what else will happen with them...but i think it will be a close race from 1st-3rd and kind of a long shot but...
1. beantown bosox
2. crazy canadian jays
3. damn yankees
4. tampa bay youthful rays
5. balitmore orange birdies...
DJRider
02-20-2008, 08:48 PM
Your order is as good of a guess as anybodies. So many things can happen in a season, so its definitely a crap shoot. But i think its going to go down to the wire again.
some18mybrain
02-20-2008, 09:42 PM
It's good to see this thread alive and kicking again, with the season right around the corner. As anyone can see by my avatar, I am a Yankee fan(lifetime).....
This could be a good season, but I never make any predictions, as you never know what can happen.....
It will be interesting to see how Santana does on the Mets, How A-Rod's new contract is received by the fans(who still haven't completely jumped on the A-Rod Bandwagon), If the Red Sox can perform as well this year as they did last year.......
There's a lot that's up in the air this season, and I for one can't wait for the action to start.....
And oh yeah......
GO YANKEES!!!
jimmyeat311
02-22-2008, 08:34 AM
and just so everyone knows...i dont hate yankees fans like most of the bean faithful....i just hate the ignorate ones...haha...but i can say the same thing about red sox fans...some of us are quite ignorant...haha
tbakergobuck
02-22-2008, 09:24 AM
I was surprised that the Yankees didn't buy Johan Santana.
jimmyeat311
02-22-2008, 10:01 AM
i was a little but in thinking about it....they do still have a lot of money but after the amount they have spent to resign players who...
choke in the playoffs, or are aging and not deserving of that type of money...
they really didnt want to spend another 100 and whatever million on johan....plus im glad im a red sox fan cuz i cant stand the steinbrenners...espically hank...ugh
ahfrederick
02-22-2008, 02:48 PM
the dodge are my nl team...although it will be weird to root for them with the ex yankee head coach...but you know what...im still waiting for a sox v. dodge world series
Right on. That would be an awesome world series. But you can't hate Torre. He's NO longer a Yank.... Be glad that he went to the Dodgers. he'll do good in the LA sun! =P
Here's to a LA vs BOS 2008 World Series! :tu:
ahfrederick
02-22-2008, 02:51 PM
The Yankees, it always the Yankees! 26 World Championship teams and 39 American League pennant winners. There is nothing more to add! :D
Gotta give credit where credits due. Playing in 39 and winning 26 is a HUGE feet! props. But remember, that the Dodgers went to 18 and won 6. Not a huge number but history all the same. The other team to do it are the Cards, going to 17 and winning 10.
ahfrederick
02-22-2008, 03:06 PM
Hope springs eternal...Go Dodger Blue!
I think with some good fortune, this could be our year, plus it is the 50 year anniversary of the LA Dodgers..
*NODS* Spring won't be the same. But we have to move on. Make sure that it always live in your heart. And no need for fortune my friend. Our dodgers have done good recruiting during the off season and have the FIRE that we needed, the leadership of Joe Torre.
It IS our year! A full pitching staff with the addition of Hiroki Kuroda. And the Vets in good shape. We should be at the top of the NL list.
drifter75
02-22-2008, 04:18 PM
Cubs!!!
psmith16
02-22-2008, 04:31 PM
Yankees!!!!!! And the Baltimore Orioles :headbang2 . I may be in Dollorado aka Colorado but I hate the Colorado Suckies.....oops I mean The :bang: Rockies. LOL
wavezero
02-22-2008, 04:59 PM
I had a baseball bat in my hand with my father rolling me a ball before I can walk. But this is why baseball sucks:
Yankees set another payroll record
Ten teams topped $100M; three teams under $50M
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/01/23/yankees.payroll.ap/index.html
Especially take a look at the payroll chart, and then try to tell me it's a fair game whenever the New York Crooks play the TB Rays?
If you're from NY, and a legitimate fan... that's great, show your pride and run your mouth. What I can't stand is seeing the rest of the country filled with posers running around wearing lime green camo NY hats and gold chains that couldn't name 3 active players if their life depended on it.
I could rant for two pages, but that's the 2 main reasons why I hate the Yanks. Lets see how this whole drug thing settles out and there could be a third.
DJRider
02-22-2008, 05:03 PM
I was surprised that the Yankees didn't buy Johan Santana.
I was surprised the Red Sox didn't. After spending the ridiculous amount of 26 million dollars just for the right to negotiate with Dice K, I figured they would spend any amount to actually sign a player like Santana.
some18mybrain
02-22-2008, 05:18 PM
I had a baseball bat in my hand with my father rolling me a ball before I can walk. But this is why baseball sucks:
Yankees set another payroll record
Ten teams topped $100M; three teams under $50M
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/01/23/yankees.payroll.ap/index.html
Especially take a look at the payroll chart, and then try to tell me it's a fair game whenever the New York Crooks play the TB Rays?
If you're from NY, and a legitimate fan... that's great, show your pride and run your mouth. What I can't stand is seeing the rest of the country filled with posers running around wearing lime green camo NY hats and gold chains that couldn't name 3 active players if their life depended on it.
I could rant for two pages, but that's the 2 main reasons why I hate the Yanks. Lets see how this whole drug thing settles out and there could be a third.
As a Yankee fan, a TRUE Yankee fan, I agree with you on the posers part. I still say a TRUE yankee fan only wears official team colors. Just like any other team supporter.....One thing I do disagree with you on is the not a fair game when the Yankees play the Rays. If it was so unfair, why do the Yankees seem to have such a hard time beating them the last couple years?? I don't run my mouth about the Yankees, I just show my support. Same as any other fan would do. To me, fans are fans are fans....you have your good ones, and you have your bad ones. It's more publicized with the Yankees and the Red Sox, because it's the biggest rivalry in sports today. But EVERY team has them......trust me, I've seen them. :)
wavezero
02-22-2008, 05:37 PM
Please don't take "run your mouth" as in insult, it's what every informed real fan should do, that's half the fun.
What it comes down to is the players union has way too much power.
There should have been a salary cap coming out of 97. (look at how well it's done for the other sports.)
There should be rigiorous state of the art drug testing for EVERYTHING, HGH included. (I am insulted that they claim it's too expensive, please)
Clemens, Bonds and Mcguire should have all record stripped and be banned from the hall. (They CHEATED, period. Otherwise call Pete and tell him cheating is now ok in baseball and we have a place for you in the hall.)
And the Yankees suck (sorry, I had to)
some18mybrain
02-22-2008, 05:45 PM
I don't take it as an insult. I run my mouth with the best of them. And I do it because I am a true fan, and can back up everything I say with actual facts that I know about the team. I do agree with you, there needs to be a salary cap. Unfortunately, the MLBPA will never stand for it, and we won't see it anytime soon. And we can thank players like A-Rod for that.
And as a true Yankee fan, and them having not won a World Series in 7 years, I agree....they suck. Until they win again, every Yankee fan will think the same thing, but come spring-time, we will be just as loud and vocal as ever, and root our team as far as they can go. That's the spirit of the game :)
DJRider
02-22-2008, 06:12 PM
I don't take it as an insult. I run my mouth with the best of them. And I do it because I am a true fan, and can back up everything I say with actual facts that I know about the team. I do agree with you, there needs to be a salary cap. Unfortunately, the MLBPA will never stand for it, and we won't see it anytime soon. And we can thank players like A-Rod for that.
And as a true Yankee fan, and them having not won a World Series in 7 years, I agree....they suck. Until they win again, every Yankee fan will think the same thing, but come spring-time, we will be just as loud and vocal as ever, and root our team as far as they can go. That's the spirit of the game :)
As one true Yankee fan to another,,,,,,,,You said it all! :tu:
some18mybrain
02-22-2008, 06:42 PM
As one true Yankee fan to another,,,,,,,,You said it all! :tu:
:ty:
jimmyeat311
02-23-2008, 10:42 AM
And as a true Yankee fan, and them having not won a World Series in 7 years, I agree....they suck. Until they win again, every Yankee fan will think the same thing, but come spring-time, we will be just as loud and vocal as ever, and root our team as far as they can go. That's the spirit of the game :)
this is just kind of funny to me...i have been a red sox fan since i knew what baseball was ( even though my dad tried to make me a yankees fan )...and i have loved them we had bad years and good years...i dont know if i said they "sucked" because they didnt win the world series in 86 years though...haha...
on the whole "wearing only team colors" thing...i agree and disagree...i dont wear random colors for hats and stufff...but i do consider my self a fashonable guy so i dont always want to wear the same ol' thing...so i do switch it up a bit.
and back there someone said i cant hate torre anymore...and i dont...never really did...i have always had respect for him....its not really most of the players on the team i dont like...it is just the fact that they are playing or coaching for my rival...
Yankees = 26 World Championships
jimmyeat311
02-23-2008, 12:26 PM
Red Sox....its repeat time baby!!!
tbakergobuck
02-23-2008, 12:33 PM
I was surprised the Red Sox didn't. After spending the ridiculous amount of 26 million dollars just for the right to negotiate with Dice K, I figured they would spend any amount to actually sign a player like Santana.Roger Clemons only played in 18 games last year but still made 18 million dollars. Even though the Red Sox spent a lot on Dice K there payroll was still 52 million less then the Yanks last year. I just wonder what kind of season Boston or the Yanks would have if they had payroll of 90 million. :scratch:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/tbaker/payroll.jpg
jimmyeat311
02-23-2008, 12:44 PM
i understand we do have that advantage of paying for better players...i would never deny that...but....a lot more goes into making a team work than just having the highest priced players....you look at the red sox last year...and some of the players that came up big for us...(that arent getting payed that much)...youk...pedroia...papelbon...ellsbury...and even wakefield was a big part of the red sox last year....
then you look at teams like the yankees where they have 90 percent big names and the highest payroll and for a big part of the year they just werent a team...there were exactly what they paid for...over priced individuals...
jimmyeat311
02-23-2008, 12:47 PM
to have a quality team you need to have everything wroking in order from the owners to the managers to the players to the fans...it just seemed to me that everyone in the sox orginaztion last year were on the same page....the yankees just seemed to not be....
DJRider
02-23-2008, 06:57 PM
Roger Clemons only played in 18 games last year but still made 18 million dollars. Even though the Red Sox spent a lot on Dice K there payroll was still 52 million less then the Yanks last year. I just wonder what kind of season Boston or the Yanks would have if they had payroll of 90 million. :scratch:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/tbaker/payroll.jpg
The 26 million the Red Sox paid to speak to Dice K does not get listed on their payroll.
Unfortunately those are the rules that are in effect right now. Being a Yankee fan all I can say is that at least Steinbrenner takes the profits that he makes and sinks it back into the team.
I have seen too many owners make a profit and stick it into their pockets, rather than back into the franchise.
Also its not the Yankees fault that they draw 4 million people in the park, and have the most lucrative sports network in the country. Until anything changes it will always be the small market teams complaining about the advantage the big market teams have.
Living in the NY area I see the Mets spending big money but they haven't won a World Series since 1986. Its not how much you spend, but how you spend it.
tbakergobuck
02-24-2008, 01:05 PM
I stumbled upon this and thought it was a good article.
Money Can't Buy a Ring in the NFL
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Here, at the start of Free Agency 2007, we are once again reminded that trying to buy a championship in the NFL just doesn�t work.
In baseball, money often rules. Why? No salary cap nor the consequences thereof. This is why George Steinbrenner has been able to buy so many championships. Sign a bad player? Trade him. You may eat his salary but there�s no punitive cap to keep you from throwing good money after bad.
In all fairness, explaining away what the Yankees do simply by citing a bottomless cash pit is not telling the whole story. You have to pick talent, of course, but you must have chemistry; guys with egos that coexist productively rather than destructively.
You also cannot rely solely on free agency to fuel your team. Steinbrenner�s big dollar signings get the press but it�s the Yankee farm system, the development of key young players like Derek Jeter that made the difference in championship seasons. Oh, and having good leadership in Joe Torre didn�t hurt.
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In recent years the Yankees forgot that lesson, relying too heavily on free agency. Not surprisingly, they have gone six years without a World Series championship.
In the salary cap era of the NFL, the draft is the unquestioned secret to success. Teams that draft wisely and employ a strategy of building primarily via the draft will win. Those that don�t, won�t.
The reason is simple. Good young players cost less than high priced veteran free agents and are a better long term investment. They also tend to be less injury-prone (on the whole) and the rookie cap keeps most teams from hurting themselves with large, cumbersome signing bonuses. A younger player is also easier to indoctrinate into a team�s culture than a veteran set in his ways.
This is not a new lesson. If we look back to 1995, we�ll find the first team that learned about the dangers of free agency: the Miami Dolphins.
At the time, Don Shula felt as though owner Wayne Huizenga�s millions could bring him a championship in the twilight of his career. He signed expensive free agents he felt would plug holes on the Miami roster. What Shula really got were overpaid players with large egos and poor chemistry that badly underachieved. The end result was ugly as The Don resigned in the wake of a disappointing 9-8 season and a playoff blowout in Buffalo.
Miami was burdened by salary cap issues many years thereafter and could not protect some of their best players from leaving via agency (Marco Coleman, Troy Vincent, Bryan Cox). Today, the 1995 Dolphins are a case study used by the league in how not to manage the salary cap.
Another classic case study in cap economics is the 2000 Washington Redskins. Owner Dan Snyder spent lavishly on free agents, handing out multimillion dollar deals to older guys who didn�t earn their keep. In the aftermath of those poor spending decisions, Head Coach Norv Turner got the axe and the Redskins were burdened for many years with bad contracts, losing records, and old players whose best years were behind them.
Lessons learned, all. Today, there are several tenets to free agency that most teams abide by. Here are some of my favorites:
First, place a high priority on keeping your own good players. Good players are very hard to find. Don�t lose the ones you have, if you can help it.
Second, use free agency to fill holes rather than build the foundation. It is amazing and frightening how quickly free agent contracts and signing bonuses can blot out the balance sheet for years to come.
Third, never give a substantial signing bonus to a low character guy. Never. And, if you do, make sure you at least have some legal protections in the contract to recover the bonus if/when things turn sour.
Four, several up-and-coming talents are worth more than one elite superstar�unless you are convinced that the elite superstar is the difference in winning a Super Bowl within a year or two.
Five, hire staff (business and legal) totally dedicated to managing the cap. They know the market value of players, and they know what the ramifications will be of making a personnel decision.
Six, never let good players walk away without compensation. Tag players and tender them to a level that compels an interested party to make a deal that brings value in a trade on terms that you dictate.
When the gun goes off signaling the start of free agency, you can expect today�s Miami Dolphins to be smarter in how they approach the market.
First, they protected their best free agent (Vonnie Holliday) from hitting the market.
Second, they will shop to fill holes on the offensive line. Look for them to be especially active in bidding for the services of the top guards available (guys like Cincinnati�s Eric Steinbach, San Diego�s Kris Dielman, and Washington�s Derrick Dockery).
Three, they already have a policy in place that they do not give out big bonuses to bad guys. Wayne Huizenga�s hand is personally in that.
Four, GM Randy Mueller has already said that �quantity over quality� and up-and-coming talent will be the theme.
Five, the Dolphins have one of the best cap staffs in the NFL in Bryan Wiedmeier and Matt Thomas. And Huizenga will be prodding the conservative Wiedmeier from time to time when things bog down.
Six, the Dolphins have tendered key free agents (e.g. Wes Welker, Yeremiah Bell) at level that requires high compensation. The tenders came before the opening bell, before the market could set the price.
The Dolphins know that free agency isn�t free. They also know that spending lavishly on the wrong guys is a recipe for disaster.
http://www.phins.com/chris/column_030207.html
DJRider
02-25-2008, 10:39 AM
Thats a very good article. I always said just signing free agents will not get you a ring. However in defense of the Yankees, they have a core of players that came through their minor leagues, which many people never give them credit for. On their 25 man roster these players all came from their minor league system:
Derek Jeter
Robinson Cano
Melky Cabrera
Jorge Posada
Joba Chamberlain
Phil Hughes
Ian Kennedy
Andy Pettitte
Chien-Ming Wang
Mariano Rivera
Sean Henn
Jeff Karstens
Edwar Ramirez
Shelley Duncan
I think what is more important that is that the richer teams can run more minor league systems because of the money they have. Free agent signings are usually used for the final piece of the puzzle to complete the team. The signings always stand out though because if done "right" it could lead to the championship.
wavezero
03-03-2008, 05:13 PM
Not to hijack the thread, but just wanted to make sure everyone saw what was going on over here: http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157346
Yet another reason to hate the yankees...
(Great article tbaker)
jimmyeat311
03-05-2008, 03:12 PM
Not to hijack the thread, but just wanted to make sure everyone saw what was going on over here: http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157346
Yet another reason to hate the yankees...
(Great article tbaker)
that is a great thread...i wonder who started it...hmmmmmm:laughing:
ahfrederick
03-05-2008, 04:13 PM
Well I don't know about you guys, but I'm a bit concerned about the fact that teams might be over paying their players. Yes, Boston did win the WS, and they did sweep the Rockies to win. But what if, and I do mean "IF" it was the opposite. Would you then say that the redsox were over paid? Here's something that caught my eye and made me think for a sec (and hurt my brain doing so mind you).
The 2007 Boston Redsox has the SECOND highest team salary in all of the MLB @ $143M; while the 2007 Colorado Rockies were ranked 25th @ $54.4M. That's roughly 1/3 of Bostons team salary. I think it's pretty crazy, that a team with ONLY 1 player that cracked the $10M mark in Todd Helton vs Boston's (5) Five players, that the Rockies would still make it to the WS. Again, I don't know what you guy would think of this situation... but I really find it interesting. Thoughts???
Here are the two teams salaries for 2007:
-=[Colorado Rockies]=-
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b157/ahfrederick/Rockies_2007_Salarlies.jpg
-=[Boston Redsox]=-
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b157/ahfrederick/Redsox_2007_Salaries.jpg
jimmyeat311
03-05-2008, 04:16 PM
yes some teams are over paying...it is business to them to win...i believe any team can win at anytime...no matter what the payroll is...thats why they go out and play every day.
fjclaus
04-08-2008, 08:22 PM
I'm new to actually watching and following baseball. Only really watch it because my son plays baseball and I'm one of his coaches. He likes to watch the pros do what he does with all his little friends.
We get the YES network for Yankees and SNY for Mets. I don't really get to see any other teams regularly so I'm not sure who is good and who is not.
some18mybrain
05-02-2008, 07:35 AM
I know it's still VERY early, but look who's tied for first in the AL East....
Tampa Bay 16 12 .571 -
Boston 17 13 .567 -
Baltimore 15 13 .536 1.0
New York 14 16 .467 3.0
Toronto 12 17 .414 4.5
They were saying that this is the latest in the season that they have ever been in first place.....pretty funny, considering it's only the end of April. But you have to admit...they are playing pretty good baseball so far.
sixbui
05-24-2008, 05:01 PM
Go Royals!!!!!!!!!!
undftd
08-27-2008, 06:58 PM
Los Angeles Dodgers
Lakers4ItAll
08-28-2008, 08:40 PM
Go Cubs Go!!!!
bruinhoo
12-12-2008, 01:15 AM
Oakland A's!
RicoRich196
12-12-2008, 01:36 AM
NY Yankees, always have been, always will be.
Aurakles
01-02-2009, 03:29 PM
NY Yankees, always have been, always will be.
Same here. That said, baseball, as a whole, is beginning to aggravate me. I really don't want to delve further into that, but suffice it to say that I am beginning to watch more "amateur" sports these days.
Florida Marlins. a close second tie would be the Yanks and Rays.
Should be a good baseball season.
Chris
SprintGuru4Eva
04-04-2009, 11:09 PM
I'm not that big of a baseball fan so I guess the Cubs, always fun to go to a Cubs game at Wrigley.
For me it's football then basketball. Baseball is third. Game is too long for me and I can't watch a game on TV without turning the channel. Will flip back to catch some innings. Maybe watch 4 or 5 innings of a game.
I like the Yankees.
MikeV
04-19-2009, 11:25 PM
Oakland.
Noodle
04-21-2009, 03:54 PM
Cubs, then Cardinals, then Football. (yeah I know it's weird being a Cubs fan and still root for the Cards once in a while)
YankeeFan01
04-21-2009, 03:56 PM
See name <--
And the dodgers. Puhleaaaaaaaaaaaaaase be good this year. Puhleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase
ahfrederick
04-22-2009, 12:14 PM
See name <--
And the dodgers. Puhleaaaaaaaaaaaaaase be good this year. Puhleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase
Whoa whoa whoooooaaaa Christy let's not get too hasty here. I understand and respect of you being a Yankees fan. But I hope that you're not hating on the Dodgers... are you? Say it ain't so...
YankeeFan01
04-22-2009, 12:23 PM
I'm a dodger fan who has been heartbroken too many times!
fakeguy
04-22-2009, 12:30 PM
Yankees!
ahfrederick
04-22-2009, 12:59 PM
heartbroken how? You should be proud of the Dodgers IF you're a real fan, 10-4; Ranked 2nd in the Power Rankings, ONLY behind The Marlins (11-1). Here's the comment from the PR on ESPN.com: "The Dodgers scored 50 runs to go 6-0 at home and have a team BA of .302, but pitching has been their biggest asset (.200 BAA). "
- 6-0 @ Home; The ONLY team in all of MLB to claim that.
- 1st in the NL West; 2nd in all of MLB behind FL.
- +39 RS vs RA (1st in MLB)
- 1st in 8 Offensive Catagories.
- One of the best SP in all of MLB; Clayton Kershaw (Rookie); 3 games in with 22 SO. He's projected to go 35 games and have over 250 SO!!!
- Chad Billingsley is the other 1-2 punchout; 3-0 with 21SO.
- Jonathon Broxton has finally come in his own; 6 games in with 4 SV.
And don't get me started on the hitting side of the team. I mean come on, NL player of the week Andre Ethier is starting the season off strong - 4HR and 16RBI. Shall I go on? Ok I shall, Manny Ramirez - .340BA .596SLG 16H 15BB 10RBI 3HR (I guess it's just Manny being Manny,... right???)
Matt Kemp & Orlando Hudson both have similar stats and they are both MONSTERS!
Both have BA OVER .390, 4SB each, OVER 40 hits & 26 runs combined. Talk about monsters, Kemp has a Slugging % of .745 while Hudson is at .625
Oh and of course there's the 14-game hitstreak that Kemp is on right now to start the 2009 season...
What more do you need? Even analysts @ ESPN said that LA is a very solid and complete team. And I know that it's only the beginning of the season, but just as long as the team stays healthy,... it WILL be an awesome season! :tu:
***-=[THINK BLUE! GO DODGERS!!!!]=-***
YankeeFan01
04-22-2009, 01:40 PM
lol, I know their stats hun, but I've been a dodger fan for a lonnnnng time, born and raised in L.A., and they've started past seasons strong and ended weak, hence the reason why i said i'd BEEN heartbroken, i.e. past tense. No need to try to 'educate' me, I'm a dodger fan, but I'm also realistic.
tbakergobuck
04-22-2009, 02:27 PM
You couldn't pay me 212 mill a year to be a yankees fan. :rolleyes: Always will be a Cleveland Indians fan no matter what.
YankeeFan01
04-22-2009, 02:40 PM
You couldn't pay me 212 mill a year to be a yankees fan
lol, that was funny. The last game I watched was when they lost to you guys by 18 runs. It hurts to see your team do so bad :(
They're tied up against the A's right now. I hope they win.
ahfrederick
04-23-2009, 10:18 AM
lol, I know their stats hun, but I've been a dodger fan for a lonnnnng time, born and raised in L.A., and they've started past seasons strong and ended weak, hence the reason why i said i'd BEEN heartbroken, i.e. past tense. No need to try to 'educate' me, I'm a dodger fan, but I'm also realistic.
Understood, I too am a LIFELONG Dodger fan. Always have been, always will be. =)
You couldn't pay me 212 mill a year to be a yankees fan. :rolleyes: Always will be a Cleveland Indians fan no matter what.
That's what's up brotha. Stick with your team through thick and thin! That's what a TRUE fan is all about.
lol, that was funny. The last game I watched was when they lost to you guys by 18 runs. It hurts to see your team do so bad :(
They're tied up against the A's right now. I hope they win.
Yeah, watch the end of that game off and on. Couldn't watch it all since the Dodgers were playing as well.
heavyd
04-23-2009, 10:35 AM
Let's Go Bucs!
tbakergobuck
04-23-2009, 12:56 PM
That's what's up brotha. Stick with your team through thick and thin! That's what a TRUE fan is all about. It's funny today I asked a friend at the gym if he thought the Cavs were going to win it all this year and he said yes. He was a Pistons fan and now he likes the Cavs. lol I've been a Ohio sports fan since I was born. It's very hard at times but I just can't see myself ever switching teams.
Heavyd just don't even reply because I know my Brownies suck. :p
The Yankees and OMG they're beasting out this year. If they sweep the Angels or at least take 2 outta the 3, I'll be stoked come playoff time.
phynal
08-24-2009, 08:51 PM
Pirates...ugh the Pirates...lol
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