Who's going to win the game war?

[bluecoyote]

Microsoft, Sorny, or Nintendork?

Going over it...

1) Microsoft - turning around the total crap pile the original XBox was, the XBox 360 is an impressive device. MS is really taking a page from Apple by focusing more on processor throughput than raw strength. (For those of you PC owners, this is why an 800mhz G4 tends to clobber your 2ghz Pentium 4.) The design is OKAY, not great. Add a plus for iPod compatibility, MS! Microsoft plans to clobber Sony by carefully timing its gaming release dates (Halo 3 is set to debut along with the PS3 in order to ensure it's DOA.)

2) Sony - pulls out a whammy for processing power, but I betcha this thing's gonna be expensive. It's an attractive console when stacked vertically, but horizontally- ewww! Sony added universal media format card readers- not just memorysticks! A lower level backside cache means that, in terms of gigaflops, it actually lags behind the 360, but it beats it in floating point calculations. Add on Blu-Ray disc support (which will be a blessing or a curse) , and it's winning the spec war.

3) Nintendo - We'll see.


I sense another Dreamcast/PS2 debate. Microsoft's playing from Sega's point of view, but they've got what Sega didn't have- comittment from publishers. If you all remember, the Dreamcast lost the spec war, but was able to render graphics every bit as well as the PS2, thanks to some smart engineering. Unfortunately, the Dreamcast lost, and is a dead console.

[punkkix03]

I just wish they could make a system that will last for a good 5 years so you don't have to spend $800-$900 so often :-/ JUST to be able to play Halo 3, gonna have to get Xbox 360 :( RAWR I was happy with my XBOX, GmaeCube and my PS2! Why do they have to go and make a whole new set of systems!

[ccanady]

Well yesterday I pre-ordered my Xbox 360 which estimated price so far is 539.99 and you to pre-order a minimum of 50.00. I will be buying both systems regardless of price. If sony does what they say they will do with the PS3, this thing will be awesome. I know with the 360 the graphics are awesome as well. I know NFS: Most Wanted will be one of the 1st games I get. Is it true that Halo 3 will be on PS3? Word is spreading around from alot of my friends and ppl in the game bizz that thats why its coming out when PS3 is being released. And thats why most ppl will not be getting the 360 since its not backwards compatible. Gamers would like to play their halo / halo2 on their 360 and if halo3 comes out for PS3, that will be a major blow to microsoft. Apparently Bungie does not care which game console their game is on as long as it is on the most powerful one out at the time. Word is Bungie feels like the PS3 will win in power so they are making it for sony.

[bluecoyote]

1) Halo 3 most certainly won't be out for the PS3. It's coming out the same time as it to kill off sales of the PS3.

2) The Xbox 360 is backwards compatible.

[ccanady]

1) Halo 3 most certainly won't be out for the PS3. It's coming out the same time as it to kill off sales of the PS3.

2) The Xbox 360 is backwards compatible.

Sorry I think my friend misread about Halo 3 being on PS3 but about the 360 being backwards compatible, word is there is no info out that support it being backwards compatible. Also there is word that they might come out w/ two versions, one that is and another that is not.

[FloorMatt]

When I decided to come back to gaming (instead of getting one of the current gen consoles)....I decided to say "Screw you, consoles" when I got the PSP. :)

But anyways.......Nintendo is sure being secretive.....I wanna see what's up their sleeve; they can't let Microsoft and Sony have all the fun!

[ccanady]

When I decided to come back to gaming (instead of getting one of the current gen consoles)....I decided to say "Screw you, consoles" when I got the PSP. :)

lol I did the same, I got rid of all my consoles and just kept my PSP. It is so much fun and I can take it on the go. Best part is pc_techie823 or is it pc-techie832??? lol well he got me a 1 gig for 70 so Im happy. If you want a 1 gig I advice you to go through him.

[FloorMatt]

lol I did the same, I got rid of all my consoles and just kept my PSP. It is so much fun and I can take it on the go. Best part is pc_techie823 or is it pc-techie832??? lol well he got me a 1 gig for 70 so Im happy. If you want a 1 gig I advice you to go through him.

I would like a 1 gig :clap:

[ccanady]

I would like a 1 gig :clap:

get the one gig from pc-techie832, he is a member here. Also if you are not satisfied with a 1gig which I am getting from pc-techie832 but 1 gig is not enough for me. You can go to I think its memorylabs but when I get home tonight I will get you the correct name if that is not it. They sell a 40 gig portable hard drive for 119.99. You can connect it to your psp and exchange info back and forth. but in order to do this you have to have a 512 or 1 gig. The portable HD has an LCD screen so you can choose what file to send to the PSP. Its awesome. IM getting it once my 1 gig comes in.

[ccanady]

I think the PS3 from the specs is going to blow 360 away. Even though Im getting both, I have a feeling PS3 is going to give 360 and revolution a run for their money. I guess until they oth come out, I will go buy a HDTV television. Also did you see the diagram at E3? You can connect your PSP to the 360...lol What a way to stick it to sony microsoft, show the world all the devices you can connect your 360 to and include your competitors devices as well like the PSP and the IPod...lol

[Jordan]

The revolution has a good idea though, the only idea I saw in todays press conferences that nintendo released about the revolution- ultimate backwards compatibility, going all the way back to the NES. Now I know that you can do this with an xbox or dreamcast, it's just nice to see that we are going to do it anyways, and get it built in. All of these new systems look good, i just feel a bit dissappointed in the 360 based on what i've seen so far, but hopefully all goes for the best.

[The Lance]

I just watched the PS3 unveiling and I must admit it does have one hell of an impressive core. The cell processor it has is just truly amazing.. I can see that technology really going places.. I bet you in a year or two.. AMD or Intel will have their own comsumer-based cell processors and that is going to take computing power to a whole new level..Its about time that video games look like movies..

[upp3r 3ch3lon]

Us. The gamers. All this competition ensures that we will get the most out of these systems. Regardless of the specs, all of the systems will be mindblowing to say the least. I win, you win, we all win. :headbang2

[fever]

When I decided to come back to gaming (instead of getting one of the current gen consoles)....I decided to say "Screw you, consoles" when I got the PSP. :)

As CCanady said, the 360 will interface with the PSP, as well as the iPod. I wonder if the PS3 will work with Windows directly, or just through TCP/IP.

Nintendo Revolution playing NES GAMES natively? I orgasmed when I saw it. You know I'm buying one. Now I could (but I won't) get rid of all my NES consoles. (Am I still gonna need an extra memory chip for my Perfect Dark?) The design of the Revolution is tops, in my book.

The PS3 looks dumb, as far as I'm concerned. The 360 also looks dumb. Did anyone else see PS3 Bluetooth compatibility coming? I guess it makes sense... SONY-Ericsson, after all... 7 Controllers? Who gets to be the odd man out? Why didn't they just include another Bluetooth Master?

As far as the processing power of the PS3, I'm thinking there was a LOT of padding in that presentation... I just don't see how the CELL can be so much better than a TRIPLE-CORE ANYTHING... As far as graphics are concerned, the shots they showed convinced me that Sony has finally gone the right direction, achieving graphics equalling anything on the Xbox. No, I don't meant the 360. : p But seriously, I highly doubt the PS3 will outperform the 360, because I can't even imagine games taking advantage of that much power. Gigaflops are impressive, but how much computation does the average game do? Whoever said more than "little" is wrong.

I hope the PS3 will be a contender. I'm also pretty sure Microsoft knew what Sony was aiming for in terms of specs, and may either trump them when all is said and done, or simply let them "win", knowing that somewhere along the line, Sony is gonna fvck it up like always.

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MS is really taking a page from Apple by focusing more on processor throughput than raw strength. (For those of you PC owners, this is why an 800mhz G4 tends to clobber your 2ghz Pentium 4.)

Actually, a better analogy would be an Intel processor and an AMD processor. Comparing a Windows PC to an Apple PC is so far off-base that it becomes meaningless, especially since Apple constantly changes processor makers and types, while Windows natively supports Intel Machine Code.

[ccanady]

fever you seem like you know alot, or is it that I am dumb...lol Well I will be getting both and might chip in and get the revolution as I stop being a nintendo fan in the late 90's when PS1 came into my life and swept me away with Resident Evil 1. I hope all systems go along way and none suffer the same as Sega. As I like them all since they all brings something different to the table. I think we only need three systems and when Xbox, PS2, Dreamcast, and gamecube were out one of them had to fall, and it was Sega with their awesome games but lousy advertisment.

[bluecoyote]

Fever- you're entirely wrong.

Anyway, the PS3 has impressive specs, but knowing Sony, it will probably be even with the Xbox 360.

[Jordan]

Fever- you're entirely wrong.



I was thinking that the whole time I was reading his post. Playstation is going to fvck it up like always? Okay... That can't be true, what have they fvcked up? Sure there PS2 was ugly, but it did as advertised. I love ps2 and can't wait to see what the ps3 brings onto the table.

[tas1234]

Anyone see this yet ?
PS3
http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/ps3/s-playstation-3.html
Xbox
http://www.xbox.com/en-us/xbox360/default.htm?level1=enushome&level2=fg3spw&level3=details

I will be buyiing a xbox as soon as it comes out. :)
Tas

[Jordan]

based on aesthetics or something deeper than that? If it's not backwards compatible, I don't see the 360 makin it until has some time to build a large enough library to substantiate the upgrade

[fever]

based on aesthetics or something deeper than that? If it's not backwards compatible, I don't see the 360 makin it until has some time to build a large enough library to substantiate the upgrade

How am I wrong? I've actually MADE processors, and I understand what goes into one to make it work. The level we're at, it isn't physically possible for IBM to create something that's TWICE as fast as an Intel processor, certainly not for something that's literally state-of-the-art, without literally revolutionizing computing. And if they somehow did, the first applications certainly wouldn't be for a GAMING CONSOLE. I guarantee it. And, my analogy of AMD and Intel was spot-on, while your Apple-Microsoft comparison was weak at best. As for Sony fvcking it up, do you remember the HDD they released for the PS2? Prime example. I personally believe, also, that the working numbers Sony released for the CELL processor in the PS3 are a load of crap, except maybe in an ultra-optimized environment, which the Ps3 certainly could be. At that point, BC, you're frail Apple-Microsoft analogy would be valid.

based on aesthetics or something deeper than that? If it's not backwards compatible, I don't see the 360 makin it until has some time to build a large enough library to substantiate the upgrade

The Xbox360 will be backwards compatible, or at least they've said it will be.

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[640k]

XBOX 360 is backwards compatible - but only with "top" games. Meaning its only going to be games they tested. Sounds to me like they've developed an emulator. Too bad the latest hardware in the 360 has nothing to do with Intel/x86 processors, that emulator would be something to get your hands on!!

PS won't F anything up. MS almost Fed it up for consumers by bumping EA out of the scene. The snapshots I've seen of both systems show Sony's newest emotion engine to be way more advanced than ATI. The problem here is, MS is relying on already existing hardware from graphics companies whereas Sony has devolped and cornered their own proprietary graphic engine.

I think Sony would kill the graphics industry if they could market something for the PC. I've seen what those emotion engines are DESIGNED to do and its FAR more advance than anything that ever came out for PS1 or PS2.

[bluecoyote]

The reality is that not a single released game will ever take advantage of it. We saw it with the PS2. Both systems have enough power to really produce astounding graphics. The screen shots I saw from both look quite impressive, and the actual game quality between the two will be indistinguishable. If the Xbox and PS2 never produced better graphics than the Dreamcast, the 360 and Ps3 will be indistinguishable.

Thus, the real question comes in to play- cost. The PS3's's going to cost more as a system in terms of processing power, which means they're going to have to:

1) Sell it at a much higher loss (yeah right)
2) Charge more for it
3) Remove Features.

Would you pay $100.00 more for a gaming system that offers little to no improvement? Of course not. Since Microsoft's pulling all strings to ensure developers support the 360, I think Sony's sole sales are going to come from PS2 owners.

Of the three, though, Microsoft's got the best console.

[ccanady]

PS3's Kill zone2 in action on the PS3, look at how stunning these graphics are. The fire looks awesome as well, this is game play with a lil bit of non mixed for those who have played Killzone knows how it operates. Kill zone 2 (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748475/vid_1121807.html?mu=http%3A%2F%2Fstreamingmovies.i gn.com%2Fps3%2Farticle%2F614%2F614854%2Fsonycon_ga mes_06_killzone_wmvlow.wmv)

[ccanady]

lol after seeing this, I think Sony will take on the other two consoles no problem with there stunning graphics and other functions the PS3 can do, just take a look how things went at E3. E3 Link (http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/616/616979/vids_1.html)

[fever]

The screenshots from the PS3 are impressive, but after the bad taste of the original Killzone, I'm holding my breath, with regards to the sequel. As for the screenshots from the Xbox360, I thought I was looking at news photographs at first, until I saw one that was too fanciful to be reality.

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Oh, and can anyone explain what the point of putting in a 100+ GB HDD in a game console is? The original Xbox had almost too much with just the 8-10 giggers they came with, and unless the PS3 has custom soundtracks and HUGE save files, plus downloadable games and content, I don't see the need for anything that big. I just don't see the point of it. and that HDD alone is going to add at least $70 bucks to the price, by itself, if not more.

[bluecoyote]

The screenshots from the PS3 are impressive, but after the bad taste of the original Killzone, I'm holding my breath, with regards to the sequel. As for the screenshots from the Xbox360, I thought I was looking at news photographs at first, until I saw one that was too fanciful to be reality.

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Oh, and can anyone explain what the point of putting in a 100+ GB HDD in a game console is? The original Xbox had almost too much with just the 8-10 giggers they came with, and unless the PS3 has custom soundtracks and HUGE save files, plus downloadable games and content, I don't see the need for anything that big. I just don't see the point of it. and that HDD alone is going to add at least $70 bucks to the price, by itself, if not more.

I think because the 360 will have TiVo-esque functionality?

[Jordan]

How am I wrong?
See statement above, the one you tried to quote but couldn't
I've actually MADE processors, and I understand what goes into one to make it work. The level we're at, it isn't physically possible for IBM to create something that's TWICE as fast as an Intel processor, certainly not for something that's literally state-of-the-art, without literally revolutionizing computing. And if they somehow did, the first applications certainly wouldn't be for a GAMING CONSOLE. I guarantee it. And, my analogy of AMD and Intel was spot-on, while your Apple-Microsoft comparison was weak at best. Where is this supposed Apple-Microsoft comaparison? Just read through the entire thread, saw nothing of the sorts. Wow, your a genius. :clap:
As for Sony fvcking it up, do you remember the HDD they released for the PS2? Prime example. Wow, sony really did fvck up the ps2 by making an accessory that really wasn't all good... BAD SONY!!! NO ONE WILL BUY YOUR PS3 BECAUSE OF YOUR 1 CRAPPY ACCESSORY!
I personally believe, also, that the working numbers Sony released for the CELL processor in the PS3 are a load of crap, except maybe in an ultra-optimized environment, which the Ps3 certainly could be.
I'll give you that, as I do not know much about processors, and you claim you make them, so no arguments there.
At that point, BC, you're frail Apple-Microsoft analogy would be valid. There goes another point that has no base... Where is this analogy, in another thread or even out there? Can you read?

The Xbox360 will be backwards compatible, or at least they've said it will be.
Yay, that's one of the few things you got right. I wasn't sure before about backwards compatibliity, but it seems they will incorporate that, which will make it more successful.
J-Shep