Cingular EDGE, GPRS Down ALL THE TIME

[tuolumne]

It seem like I see threads on HOFO constantly reguarding outages relating to Cingular and their data network. I for one find this unacceptable, especially when I've been hearing about this crap PRE-MERGER...


Pathetic on their part :rolleyes:

[sneak]

It seem like I see threads on HOFO constantly reguarding outages relating to Cingular and their data network. I for one find this unacceptable, especially when I've been hearing about this crap PRE-MERGER...


Pathetic on their part :rolleyes:

Have you USED their EDGE network recently? If not, you may want to wait to judge something, you know, before you use it. Not like you do that.. ever.. :deal:

[fever]

I have. I'll get spikes of activity followed by long wait times. Good thing I'm not paying for it, or I'd be pissed. Especially if I actually needed to be connected, which I don't.

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[mcurtiss1970]

yeah, outages never happen on Sprint:

http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=589491

http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62947

[eman]

Love how these threads bring out the 3 non sprint users on the board.....say something wrong with there company and they are always the first to knock it on sprint.......the statement is made about cingulars network.....he didnt ask how sprints network is.....he obviously knows.....he has it......he also didnt say cingulars network is bad......he stated that he had read it in cingular threads.....if you dont have issues with there network then that is great....and sure, you can defend it and tell us about your good experiences.......

[mcurtiss1970]

Love how these threads bring out the 3 non sprint users on the board.....say something wrong with there company and they are always the first to knock it on sprint.......the statement is made about cingulars network.....he didnt ask how sprints network is.....he obviously knows.....he has it......he also didnt say cingulars network is bad......he stated that he had read it in cingular threads.....if you dont have issues with there network then that is great....and sure, you can defend it and tell us about your good experiences.......


I visit the hofo cingular forum quite often and I don't see the edge/gprs threads "constantly reguarding[sic] outages" she speaks of. It just seems easy to poke fun of stuff you have no experience with, and ignore the same things in your own world.

I don't defend cell providers as they all have problems- I do call out biases which have no basis in fact.

[eman]

I do call out biases which have no basis in fact.
Well if you would have called him or her out on that it would have been more educational.....I dont look through Cingular forums so if someone posts there are lots of issues posted in them I would tend to beleive them.....by saying it is not true, and you frequently visit them says alot more to me then posting a link to topics about sprints network.....because what that says to me is, it is true and cingulars network has all these problems but you are trying to get the focus off of that and say sprints network has problems......I for one love sprints network and rarely have problems with it.....I dont know how cingulars network is because everyone I know who has Cingular does not use the internet on it.......as a matter of fact, it is mostly people with sprint that I know who use there web on there phone...... i think maybe because sprint makes it so easy.....$10-15 and use it all you want.....has alot of information on there own built wap setup also.......I think with other company's people are kind of confused with the packages and dont really understand how it works........

[mcurtiss1970]

eman, if it was ANYONE else who started this thread I'd take it at face value. Since it was tutu, I know what she's doing. My comments have nothing to do with network quality, but with the method of the message.

[eman]

eman, if it was ANYONE else who started this thread I'd take it at face value. Since it was tutu, I know what she's doing. My comments have nothing to do with network quality, but with the method of the message.
Its funny....when I relized who wrote the original post I was going to delete mine but you had already replied so I left it.....have another question though while we are talking about Cingulars network....Isnt it like $40 for unlimited web now.....so if you were to get Mobitv and you dont have unlimited web does that actually count towards your download limit.....if it does that kind of makes that app. worthless for anyone not willing to spend $40 for unlimited....or do they make an exception for something like this???

[madsexy]

eman, if it was ANYONE else who started this thread I'd take it at face value. Since it was tutu, I know what she's doing. My comments have nothing to do with network quality, but with the method of the message.

Interesting how you critize her "method" when yours is just as questionable. But, since it is you, we know what you're doing... :snore:

[mcurtiss1970]

But, since it is you, we know what you're doing... :snore:

and what exactly am i doing??

I consider myself, unlike you- judging by your signature, pretty fair to all carriers. I make no blanket statements about whether one carrier or phone manufacturer "sucks". I'm critical of some of Sprint's business strategies, but thats about it.

so until you actually find me trolling on an internet forum or pushing an agenda, bugger off.

[sneak]

Its funny....when I relized who wrote the original post I was going to delete mine but you had already replied so I left it.....have another question though while we are talking about Cingulars network....Isnt it like $40 for unlimited web now.....so if you were to get Mobitv and you dont have unlimited web does that actually count towards your download limit.....if it does that kind of makes that app. worthless for anyone not willing to spend $40 for unlimited....or do they make an exception for something like this???

Its $20 for unlimted MediaNET.

I don't come here to attack Sprint; I come here to get and spread information, just like everyone else. Whenever I see an inaccuracy, I will point it out, whether with Sprint, Cingular, Verizon, etc. etc. I'm not here to flame Sprint; I'm here to flame TuTu :) jk lol.

[CoreyTheGent]

LMAO. Man, you guys fall into tuolumne's traps quite easily. This is exactly what he wanted, to be attacked and gain sympathy from people such as madsexy while he lays in the cut. It was the same thing with that "Sanyo hires a female CEO" thread but I caught on before going too far. Open your eyes, folks.

And good show, tuolumne.

[eman]

Its $20 for unlimted MediaNET.


I just looked on Cingulars site.....it says for $20 you get 8megs and $25 for unlimited.......is there media net the same as regular web or is that something else you need to pay for.......so unless you have there $25 plan you really cant get mobi-tv or anything else they offer that streams......wonder why they charge so much.....considering even verizon lowered there prices with the roll out of ev-do.......

[Quill]

Those people on HoFo are just whiners. Sheesh. Tutu, you punk, you owe me dinner.
I know you're just trying to draw us out ... you know who I mean. But, I'm not gonna take the bait. Oh, wait. Crap. I just did. Damn.

Anyway, there are definitely threads at HoFo whining about GPRS being down. I have had problems once in the entire time I've had it. I had problems a couple times with Sprint's Vision, too. And text messaging, and SMS and so on and so on. Why we're even talking about it here ... *sigh*

I'm just going to ignore eman and madsexy since they're both lacking some context when it comes to tutu and I'll give them both the benefit of the doubt.

Somebody has a great line in their sig somewhere else. "Never pass up an opportunity to keep your mouth shut."

[sneak]

I just looked on Cingulars site.....it says for $20 you get 8megs and $25 for unlimited.......is there media net the same as regular web or is that something else you need to pay for.......so unless you have there $25 plan you really cant get mobi-tv or anything else they offer that streams......wonder why they charge so much.....considering even verizon lowered there prices with the roll out of ev-do.......

The brochure I have says $19.99.

[CoreyTheGent]

The $15 a month VCAST package, with an EV-DO phone on Verizon Wireless, includes unlimited mobile web 2.0.

Not sure if that's what you guys are inquiring about or not, I seem to be getting questions mixed up a lot lately. :furious:

[sneak]

Edited to reflect that, Corey. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Quill]

The $15 a month VCAST package, with an EV-DO phone on Verizon Wireless, includes unlimited mobile web 2.0.

Not sure if that's what you guys are inquiring about or not, I seem to be getting questions mixed up a lot lately. :furious:

How many EV-DO phones does Verizon have ATM?

And what does Verizon's equivalent to Vision cost per month?

I dunno because my husband didn't need that stuff and since I ported him from Verizon I pretty much have stopped paying attention to Verizon.

[sneak]

I still think its attrocious that Mobile Web (not VCAST) costs minutes. Pathetic. Not to mention how poorly designed Verizon's WAP access is. Graphics few and far between, my bookmarks do not work (they are stored server-side, not client-side), and OpenWave sucks on this phone (Samsung a670).

[madsexy]

and what exactly am i doing??

I consider myself, unlike you- judging by your signature, pretty fair to all carriers. I make no blanket statements about whether one carrier or phone manufacturer "sucks". I'm critical of some of Sprint's business strategies, but thats about it.

so until you actually find me trolling on an internet forum or pushing an agenda, bugger off.

Really? and one could not tell what your agenda is??? Give me a break... Unlike you, I am honest about what I like or don't like, I don't go around trying to lecture people and being hypocritical criticizing others while you do the same exact thing. And if you don't like the truth then go back to your cingucrap forum.

[mcurtiss1970]

Really? and one could not tell what your agenda is??? Give me a break... Unlike you, I am honest about what I like or don't like, I don't go around trying to lecture people and being hypocritical criticizing others while you do the same exact thing. And if you don't like the truth then go back to your cingucrap forum.like I said above, until you actually find me trolling on an internet forum or pushing an agenda, bugger off.

welcome to my ignore list

[Quill]

like I said above, until you actually find me trolling on an internet forum or pushing an agenda, bugger off.

welcome to my ignore list

She's very hostile, huh? Hates anyone who leaves Sprint for Cingular just because she had a bad experience with Cingular.

But, hey, we have Cingular, so obviously even though we are former Sprint subscribers, we have nothing useful to contribute, huh?

Some people are so narrowminded and childish.

Tutu, you punk. Look what you started. Where the hell did you go?

[mcurtiss1970]

Tutu, you punk. Look what you started. Where the hell did you go?

likely dumpster diving at the Samsung world headquarters

[Quill]

likely dumpster diving at the Samsung world headquarters

And aren't we the suckers over here still talking when he's finding little Sammy gems for his shrine. LOL

[sneak]

Really? and one could not tell what your agenda is??? Give me a break... Unlike you, I am honest about what I like or don't like, I don't go around trying to lecture people and being hypocritical criticizing others while you do the same exact thing. And if you don't like the truth then go back to your cingucrap forum.

He's contributed a hell of a lot more than I've seen you do. I concur; bugger off.

[theCvgUnit]

Curtiss for president :kingofhil

[FloorMatt]

How many EV-DO phones does Verizon have ATM?

And what does Verizon's equivalent to Vision cost per month?

I dunno because my husband didn't need that stuff and since I ported him from Verizon I pretty much have stopped paying attention to Verizon.

3.........A Samsung, Audiovox, and LG. (Plus, aircards)

I was messing around with Verizon stuff today........got 576 kbps w/ aircard. (900 kbps w/ compression). Well......the new V-CAST plan is $15 for unlimited....don't know anything about the regular plans.

[Quill]

3.........A Samsung, Audiovox, and LG. (Plus, aircards)

I was messing around with Verizon stuff today........got 576 kbps w/ aircard. (900 kbps w/ compression). Well......the new V-CAST plan is $15 for unlimited....don't know anything about the regular plans.

Heh, the folks at engadget...or was it gizmodo?...were impressed with the aircards. Let's see, the VX8000...not familiar with the other two phones.

I guess I'll have to do some comparisons, but IIRC Verizon's equivalent of Vision was more expensive and less user-friendly.

[pdx77]

It seem like I see threads on HOFO constantly reguarding outages relating to Cingular and their data network. I for one find this unacceptable, especially when I've been hearing about this crap PRE-MERGER...


Pathetic on their part :rolleyes:

Hmm, funny! My boyfriend uses Cingular and I have never seen his service go down once. Hell, I've had more Vision problems than he has ever had any problems with his service.

Why don't you get your facts right before you make a fool out of yourself.

[Hte2w8]

Really? and one could not tell what your agenda is??? Give me a break... Unlike you, I am honest about what I like or don't like, I don't go around trying to lecture people and being hypocritical criticizing others while you do the same exact thing. And if you don't like the truth then go back to your cingucrap forum.
Really? Interesting, because I think your post above did exactly what you CLAIM you don't do.

Maybe you should re-read it before you cast stones...oh...too late...you already cast the stones.

[poopsieflys]

Tutu, you punk. Look what you started. Where the hell did you go?


LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :joy:

[CoreyTheGent]

How many EV-DO phones does Verizon have ATM?

And what does Verizon's equivalent to Vision cost per month?They have three currently, the ones which Matt already covered. There's two very big ones on the brink for May-July, Motorola's new high-end E815 (http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=663) and LG's new CDMA flagship VX-8100 (http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=665). Samsung's also got the a970 which will also be coming to Sprint in the form of the a940.

As for their "Vision-like" plans, Verizon doesn't have any. It's the main thing which drove me from them to Sprint in the first place. As sneak reiterated, they have this $4.99 mobile web add-on which subtracts from your minutes. Even today, if you have regular mobile web it continues to do so. There are no packages, just a bunch of different add-ons you can put together. It's basically VCAST or nothing, and even that'll be blown away by whatever EV-DO plans/packages Sprint comes up with.

[Quill]

They have three currently, the ones which Matt already covered. There's two very big ones on the brink for May-July, Motorola's new high-end E815 (http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=663) and LG's new CDMA flagship VX-8100 (http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=665). Samsung's also got the a970 which will also be coming to Sprint in the form of the a940.

As for their "Vision-like" plans, Verizon doesn't have any. It's the main thing which drove me from them to Sprint in the first place. As sneak reiterated, they have this $4.99 mobile web add-on which subtracts from your minutes. Even today, if you have regular mobile web it continues to do so. There are no packages, just a bunch of different add-ons you can put together. It's basically VCAST or nothing, and even that'll be blown away by whatever EV-DO plans/packages Sprint comes up with.



Aaah. Yay Sprint!

[steb0ne]

I think we've deviated from the topic about: Cingular EDGE, GPRS Down ALL THE TIME


I'm assumming that services being down are related to a particular area. Thus the term outage, usually refers to a particular area or market.

Are people complaining in a certain market of these services being down?

[mcurtiss1970]

I think we've deviated from the topic about: Cingular EDGE, GPRS Down ALL THE TIME

the topic was, in my opinion, never a valid one. the OP was, again in my opinion, trolling.

[CoreyTheGent]

While you are correct, steb, I don't try to go off-topic unless either A) the OP's problem has been solved or B) the topic was worthless to begin with. tuolumne isn't a Cingular customer, this was just some random rant about people that don't even have anything to do with this community. Far as I'm concerned, it's wide open for the taking.

I don't even see what this is doing in the General Forum.

[Quill]

While you are correct, steb, I don't try to go off-topic unless either A) the OP's problem has been solved or B) the topic was worthless to begin with. tuolumne isn't a Cingular customer, this was just some random rant about people that don't even have anything to do with this community. Far as I'm concerned, it's wide open for the taking.

I don't even see what this is doing in the General Forum.

It'll get moved; it's only a matter of time.

There are indeed complaints from time to time on HoFo about GPRS being down. I have briefly experienced that with my SE T616. I have not experienced any issues with EDGE. But, that stuff happens on any network. And of course we've deviated off-topic. This is off-topic to begin with and it doesn't help that there are people around here who have an unabiding hatred for all things non-Sprint when it comes to cell phones.

Some people get their identities too intertwined with their cell phone carriers. This isn't politics or religion. Some people need to chill out.

[upp3r 3ch3lon]

who cares, honestly? if u like cingular, go for it. verizon? go for it. sprint? go for it. do what works for u and i'll do what works for me. im pretty sure this has already been said, but for everyone's benefit i will repeat it. cell phone carriers are user dependent. What may be great for someone, might not be good for you.

Now the world dont move to the beat of just one drummer, what might be good for you, might not be good for some, it takes different strokes, it takes, different strokes to move the worrrllllllld!!!!!

[tuolumne]

People! I never started this thread for it to be like this. In case you don't remember, I have had Cingular Wireless service. With my experiences of a GPRS shortage two times here, and then constantly (or so it seemed) reading about outage failures all around the country on Howard Forums, one new thread I saw reguarding the same situation pushed me to post this thread. Hell, maybe I was just on Howard Forums at the right times to read the threads, but I swear, I always seemed to see threads like that in the Cingular section.

Don't get me wrong, Cingular has the best voice quality I have ever heard, and their SIM support is too nice. Please don't knock this thread with speculation that I am "trying to gain sympathy" or "trying to knock Cingular", because I'm not.

[steb0ne]

While you are correct, steb, I don't try to go off-topic unless either A) the OP's problem has been solved or B) the topic was worthless to begin with. tuolumne isn't a Cingular customer, this was just some random rant about people that don't even have anything to do with this community. Far as I'm concerned, it's wide open for the taking.

I don't even see what this is doing in the General Forum.

Good answer! BTW. I know a lot of people don't know me but my name is Steve aka Bone aka Stee Bone

[steb0ne]

People! I never started this thread for it to be like this. In case you don't remember, I have had Cingular Wireless service. With my experiences of a GPRS shortage two times here, and then constantly (or so it seemed) reading about outage failures all around the country on Howard Forums, one new thread I saw reguarding the same situation pushed me to post this thread. Hell, maybe I was just on Howard Forums at the right times to read the threads, but I swear, I always seemed to see threads like that in the Cingular section.

Don't get me wrong, Cingular has the best voice quality I have ever heard, and their SIM support is too nice. Please don't knock this thread with speculation that I am "trying to gain sympathy" or "trying to knock Cingular", because I'm not.

I respect that!

[Quill]

People! I never started this thread for it to be like this. In case you don't remember, I have had Cingular Wireless service. With my experiences of a GPRS shortage two times here, and then constantly (or so it seemed) reading about outage failures all around the country on Howard Forums, one new thread I saw reguarding the same situation pushed me to post this thread. Hell, maybe I was just on Howard Forums at the right times to read the threads, but I swear, I always seemed to see threads like that in the Cingular section.

Don't get me wrong, Cingular has the best voice quality I have ever heard, and their SIM support is too nice. Please don't knock this thread with speculation that I am "trying to gain sympathy" or "trying to knock Cingular", because I'm not.

Oh, come on, you're just an instigator. Admit it. Come on ... punk. Now, let's go eat steak. :deal:

[CoreyTheGent]

Nah, tuolumne is right. It was wrong of us to make such assumptions. We should recognize that he's finally changed his ways and leave him alone.

I apologize, tuolumne.

[Matt]

Ruth's Chris isn't even that great. :) oops wrong forum and off topic.

[tuolumne]

No, actually I'm not. You can doubt me all you want, but I AM telling you the truth. You all think I created this thread for some kind of self-benefit...your wrong.

[CoreyTheGent]

I think tuolumne is a good candidate for Moderator.

[tuolumne]

Corey, why would you say something like that..really?

You know exacally what this is going to lead to....*sigh*

[Matt]

Ya'll just continue to crack me up. Play on! :joy:

[Hte2w8]

Corey, why would you say something like that..really?

You know exacally what this is going to lead to....*sigh*
Oh Boys (corey and tutu). Stop messing with people and playing good guy, bad guy...like you did at that *other site* when you bad mouthed corey to set everyone up just to see who jumped on your bandwagon and didnt like corey.

Please kids,,,the games you play are getting tedious.

[Quill]

Ruth's Chris isn't even that great. :) oops wrong forum and off topic.

It tastes pretty good when it's free. Heh. Fine, then I guess it's gonna have to be the Met.

Oh, who cares if it's off-topic.

Tutu, I know you were being serious, but I'm bored with that. :snore: Let's play another game.

[tuolumne]

Ok Qullie!, like what ??????

[sneak]

Nah, tuolumne is right. It was wrong of us to make such assumptions. We should recognize that he's finally changed his ways and leave him alone.

I apologize, tuolumne.

Hahahaha, good one Corey :).

[tuolumne]

iHATEweezer

[sneak]

Too bad. Sorry, dude; you're missing out on some great music.

Lemme guess, you're a fan of, say, 3 Doors Down? Nickelback? *snicker*

[tuolumne]

LOL...no freaking way. But yeah, Weezer's down with me, just not all their music, you know?

[Pg2k3]

Ive had Cingular before and liked it. Raising the bar baby!!!

[Quill]

Ok Qullie!, like what ??????

How about 'Guess what spiffy cool GSM phone Quillie is gonna buy next?"
Heh. Or "Guess which bottle of wine Quillie is going to order at Ruth's Chris?"
We could, to stay on topic, start a pool on how long it will be before my GPRS goes down again...lol.

[tuolumne]

Wait...I thought the V551 had EDGE?

[Quill]

Wait...I thought the V551 had EDGE?
I've been using the T616 more than the Moto lately.

[tuolumne]

oh really.......

[Strider420]

Just read the whole thread...

It's funny how Sprint and Verizon kool-aid drinkers hate each other vehemently (along with any other carrier that isn't theirs) but us Tmo and Cingular peeps get along fine. It is because we see through the BS.

[mcurtiss1970]

Just read the whole thread...

It's funny how Sprint and Verizon kool-aid drinkers hate each other vehemently (along with any other carrier that isn't theirs) but us Tmo and Cingular peeps get along fine. It is because we see through the BS.


http://www.gsm-users.com/forums/images/smilies/drink.gif...............

[tuolumne]

Ok, and again:

http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=650083

It seems like I constantly see threads like this.

[Quill]

I can count on one hand how many times I've had problems with GPRS in the past six months. Let me fold down my fingers so I can count. One (uncurling my thumb) and two (uncurling the middle finger) or for those who are from the UK, Oz or NZ, my index finger and middle finger back of my hand facing you. Meh.

Now off to transfer stuff from my PC to my new RAZR. Oooh, I hope the GPRS isn't down.

[mcurtiss1970]

Ok, and again:

http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=650083

It seems like I constantly see threads like this.

i'm not apologizing for any carrier, but i think you're reaching a bit. I see just as many "problem" threads on a carrier's forum as that are on Cingular's

[tuolumne]

I do regret the wording of the title of this thread, and for ever calling it "pathetic". It just seems that I always read of EDGE/GPRS failures.

[Invader J]

Now off to transfer stuff from my PC to my new RAZR. Oooh, I hope the GPRS isn't down.

Hope you don't fall asleep waiting for that slow-ass GPRS transfer to go through... :lol:

[pdx77]

Hope you don't fall asleep waiting for that slow-ass GPRS transfer to go through... :lol:


It's BT, so why should that take into effect?

[psychojoe3354]

Cingular is bad, I had em, used em, rocked their most expensive offerings, and it still left me dissapointed. The GPRS was a joke compared to vision, the only cool thing was you get to preview stuff before you buy it. But for the most part, very horrible service. There, I said it.

[Invader J]

It's BT, so why should that take into effect?

Quillhill said he had to transfer stuff to his RAZR and said that he hopes GPRS isn't down, I assumed he was going to transfer stuff OTA. =)

[vikingjunior]

Thought this might be fitting.......................

http://www.instat.com/press.asp?ID=1352&sku=IN0501705GW

[Quill]

Quillhill said he had to transfer stuff to his RAZR and said that he hopes GPRS isn't down, I assumed he was going to transfer stuff OTA. =)

Sorry, I was being sarcastic about the GPRS thing. Heh. Yeah, I am going to use the BT dongle I bought for my PC when I first switched.

I love that people think I'm a dude. Cracks me up. Do I have a certain macho online swagger? LOL

[FloorMatt]

Sorry, I was being sarcastic about the GPRS thing. Heh. Yeah, I am going to use the BT dongle I bought for my PC when I first switched.

I love that people think I'm a dude. Cracks me up. Do I have a certain macho online swagger? LOL

I think that women phone geeks have more testosterone :hungry: < And look like that.

[mcurtiss1970]

I think that women phone geeks have more testosterone :hungry: < And look like that.
i think its because a) quill likes gadgets, b) quill, as my Illinois-based second cousin once termed, "takes no guff from no one", and c) could reduce someone to a quivering mass of inarticulate jelly with a few chosen words.

[Quill]

Gosh, FloorMatt, I sure hope I don't look like that. LOL


i think its because a) quill likes gadgets, b) quill, as my Illinois-based second cousin once termed, "takes no guff from no one", and c) could reduce someone to a quivering mass of inarticulate jelly with a few chosen words.


Wow. That's so sweet! :)

[mcurtiss1970]

Wow. That's so sweet! :)


..............:urock:....................

[FloorMatt]

..............:urock:....................

You can be so poetic....sometimes. :rolleyes:

[mcurtiss1970]

You can be so poetic....sometimes. :rolleyes:

why bother with words when an slightly annoying, animated signholding smiley-dude can sum up your entire range of emotion?

[FloorMatt]

why bother with words when an slightly annoying, animated signholding smiley-dude can sum up your entire range of emotion?

:tu:

(Now I feel like a postwhore)

[Quill]

..............:urock:....................

Woot. Hell yeah, I do. :headbang2

[MikeVA]

GIGGLE :laughing:



Have you USED their EDGE network recently? If not, you may want to wait to judge something, you know, before you use it. Not like you do that.. ever.. :deal:

[wordpowa]

Wirelessly posted (would rather have verizon.: Mozilla/4.0 (MobilePhone MM-5600/US/1.0) NetFront/3.1 MMP/2.0)

this is pathetic.

[jsk1535]

this thread needs closing