Verizon Users say Sprint is the worst?

[eppitek]

i dont know if i should have put this in the watercooler.. but i put it here b/c it was sprint related
anways...

i have noticed this happening more and more frequently... if you tell a verizon user that you use sprint pcs... they almost laugh at it and always consider it the worst cell phone company... they ask why i would ever use sprint and wouldnt go with verizon.. everytime lol

i usually shut them up when i ask them how much their paying and tell them my plan

anyone else experiencing the same thing?

[Hola]

Yeah, I get it all the time. I don't really care too much because if I like service, then that's all that matters. I totally enjoy my sprint service.

You have a very impressive plan, so you got vision for free?

You got lucky because hardly anyone gets vision for free. Also how you share a phone on a $30 plan. So many people want to add lines to that plan and sprint won't let them today. Sprint just loves you.

[mcurtiss1970]

let's face it: most cell customers are koolaid drinkers who thinks every other carrier stinks but theirs. those feelings are amplified by cell customers on internet forums

[Dave]

let's face it: most cell customers are koolaid drinkers who thinks every other carrier stinks but theirs. those feelings are amplified by cell customers on internet forums
:good:
You said it, pal! Same thing happens from time to time with brand loyalty around these parts. :furious:

[lennyj17]

I would laugh when i told them "But im not stuck in HOME COVERAGE" i can take my phone anywhere sprint has coverage and use it has if i was still local, i.e i had my 412(PITT) area code for 2 month after i moved to NYC (B/C i wanted family to still be able reach me with a local call and i now have vonage for home service and placed my 412 # there and changed my cell to 201 (NJ cheaper taxes then NYC). Now those 2 month with verizon would have been all roaming minutes even though verizon has great NYC Coverage, But B/c i was out of Home coverage i would not be able to use "IN Minutes or N/W Minutes" and would be roaming, im still on verizon coverage but im roaming, how laughable is that :lol:.............Another sinerio sprint u can set up a family plan of 5 lines and give a phone to the spouse and kids. When kids all go to college, the kids can change their area code to the other cities and still be on your acct and talk to them just as if they were home via PCS2PCS and they could have friends and teachers call them w/o it being long distance, and you will still only pay taxes were you bill is sent, with verizon you cant do that b/c of home coverage, all phones will need to be in the same area code and within the home coverage area and if taken out of the home coverage its roaming even though they are still on verizon's network, Now who has the bigger laugh :lol:

[eppitek]

Yeah, I get it all the time. I don't really care too much because if I like service, then that's all that matters. I totally enjoy my sprint service.

You have a very impressive plan, so you got vision for free?

You got lucky because hardly anyone gets vision for free. Also how you share a phone on a $30 plan. So many people want to add lines to that plan and sprint won't let them today. Sprint just loves you.


thank you, the way i have that plan is the vision is for $10 and the add a phone is also $10

i love the features + service also so i am very happy w/ sprint

[poopsieflys]

Its just like Chevy and Ford, Vikings and Packers (we ALL know the packers suck BTW :) ), etc. Just ask them how uploading their 20 pics a month is going...Oh yeah, ask them how QVGA is coming along, err for that, ask how they like finally having 65k color screen phones:hee: . Verizon is WAY behind sprint in terms of phones. They EVDO, but that is just a fad that will die soon. Oh yeah, I forgot, they do have that new service where, what is it again? I think you pay extra to watch movie trailors? Just be a bigger person and smile at them, we know who's right.

[Ianbiz]

sprint users hate verizon, verizon users hate sprint.

I hate verizon, i love sprint, i just a newer phone.

[vikingjunior]

Let's see what they say after the merger.

[Dale]

i dont know if i should have put this in the watercooler.. but i put it here b/c it was sprint related
anways...

i have noticed this happening more and more frequently... if you tell a verizon user that you use sprint pcs... they almost laugh at it and always consider it the worst cell phone company... they ask why i would ever use sprint and wouldnt go with verizon.. everytime lol

i usually shut them up when i ask them how much their paying and tell them my plan

anyone else experiencing the same thing?

Same here. Pretty much is ... how much do you pay per SMS message? How about picture mail? Oh, when you want a custom ringer and/or screen saver, can you do that as part of your plan?

As for VerizonWireless those salespeople are like ... sure, I can hook you up ... oh, okay ... well, I guess not for $50/mo.

[mcurtiss1970]

sprintusers.com should challenge verizonusers.com to a game of dodgeball

[Peruano_Loco]

yeah i hate verizon too. almost all my family has verizon, they are always telling me why i dont have the same company as them. But they will never have unlimited internet or picture mail on their service at the same price i do. So i tell them that and make them shutted their mouths

[dewmik]

My company gives me a Verizon phone. The dam thing is horable. One the phone itself is horable. Not VZW's fault. But to make a call from the phone book takes to long. Two. The connection is bad in this are. Three the voice mail won't let me make it so I don't have to put in a pass word. Talking on it is an adventure in anger management. So when I come across a mouthy VZW client, I show them my phone and vetures and it blows them out of the water.
Fact is all services offer different bling blings and I like my stuff.

[bluecoyote]

Wirelessly posted (Sheeba 4050: VM4050/132.037 UP.Browser/6.2.2.4.e.1.100 (GUI) MMP/2.0)

Yeah- i got a lot of crap from Verizon and Cingular customers... Then they see my phone, and me sending picture mail without any hesitation. Sprint's data services trump every other carrier down in the Carolinas, and it shuts them up. Since I use data more than voice, Sprint is well suited for me.

[sel1965]

This just cracks me up! When someone says something to me about why I use Sprint no matter who it is, but there are a lot of ****y verizon users here KC. Of course since Sprint is headquartered here, all I do is switch phones with them and let them here the difference because you sure can tell. There is a difference, it always makes them think twice before bringing something like this up to me.

[LU22]

I have used verizon, sprint and cingular phones here. All work well, all have problem areas on coverage and all have their drawbacks.

Cingular being GSM has a smaller GSM coverage area nationwide than verizons coverage. Verizon has good coverage with roaming agreements with Alltel, but their plans are more expensive on average and their phones seem to be much higher priced for simple things like a camera phone. Sprint has the smallest "native" coverage area and therefore many features dont work off network while roaming on verizon or alltel.


Having said all that, I'll take sprints roaming and plans over verizon any day. I'll take sprints coverage areas over cingular any day. If I thought cingular or verizon were better, I would be using them!

[igsm35]

i dont know if i should have put this in the watercooler.. but i put it here b/c it was sprint related
anways...

i have noticed this happening more and more frequently... if you tell a verizon user that you use sprint pcs... they almost laugh at it and always consider it the worst cell phone company... they ask why i would ever use sprint and wouldnt go with verizon.. everytime lol

i usually shut them up when i ask them how much their paying and tell them my plan

anyone else experiencing the same thing?

My best friend who has Verizon does not dare laugh at me for having Sprint. There seem to be more dead areas with her service than on my service. We travel to Chicago in the spring and summer for her golf tours and she gets dropped calls all of the time, and this is in the Chicago vicinity. My Sprint service, however, is much more reliable. I never experienced dropped calls or dead spots in that area, and actually, coverage for Sprint seems to be quite good. Yeah, there are some fringe areas, such as the small town where she lives, but for the most part, I don't have the trouble she does. She would probably switch to Sprint if they covered her area.

Cheers!

Suzi

[FloorMatt]

The Verizon rep at Circuit City admired my phone :hee:

I had to tell him what kind of plan I was getting.......only way he could meet it was with an employee plan. Only admirable phones they have are the EV-DO phones....I like the LG VX8000....so fassst. Ahh well...

Cingular has brainwashed my lady.....she thinks there's nothing better....we argue about Sprint and Cingular sometimes....and I helped her get them! (Sprint isn't in her immediate area). She's planning to get a new phone in the Fall (when we can extend the contract.....for money off phone)......and I'm going to use it for a little while; I want to see it impress me.

[Marlon_JB2]

I think Verizon users are programmed to say "Sprint sucks" or "Ugh, you have Sprint? Do you get service anywhere?"

[bluecoyote]

I used to be a Sprint hater. Long story short, the Sanyo 4900 was not a good phone to be introduced onto their network from (bad reception, bad sound quality, BAD sound quality, SLOW.) I was originally going in to Best Buy to laugh at the Sprint reps, when I saw the VM4050. Once I picked up my jaw (this phone was FAST, had a great UI, FAST web browser, GORGEOUS screen, and the best sound quality ever...) , the Sprint rep showed me one in action, and within a month, I was at the Sprint store (who further wowed me with their professionalism) , and there I was.

[FloorMatt]

I used to be a Sprint hater. Long story short, the Sanyo 4900 was not a good phone to be introduced onto their network from (bad reception, bad sound quality, BAD sound quality, SLOW.) I was originally going in to Best Buy to laugh at the Sprint reps, when I saw the VM4050. Once I picked up my jaw (this phone was FAST, had a great UI, FAST web browser, GORGEOUS screen, and the best sound quality ever...) , the Sprint rep showed me one in action, and within a month, I was at the Sprint store (who further wowed me with their professionalism) , and there I was.

*sniff* That was a beautiful story... :D

Grr, I still want to find a store with one of those on display! I have never touched one...

[danny.boi]

This just cracks me up! When someone says something to me about why I use Sprint no matter who it is, but there are a lot of ****y verizon users here KC. Of course since Sprint is headquartered here, all I do is switch phones with them and let them here the difference because you sure can tell. There is a difference, it always makes them think twice before bringing something like this up to me.

I've heard many Sprint employees say they are not too impressed with local service in KC. I deal with all the major telcos and cable companies daily where I work and get different feedback in different areas. I hear more Sprint praise from users in Southern Cali more than any other Sprint covered area. According to Sprint's maps, at least the major roadways seem to be covered well around KC. VZW gets the most praise in the Northeast and Cingular seems to get the most praise in Southern States (from what I hear).

http://www1.sprintpcs.com/explore/coverage/ServiceAreaDetail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=143868 7&CURRENT_USER%3C%3EATR_SCID=ECOMM&CURRENT_USER%3C%3EATR_PCode=None&CURRENT_USER%3C%3EATR_cartState=group&bmUID=1111306510803

I'm have a VZW account too. I get unlimited web on my VCAST subscription for $ 15 per month and it doesn't use my plan minutes. I can tether my EVDO phone to my laptop. I don't pay extra for mobile to mobile. My mobile to mobile and night and weekend minutes work all over the AC Network not just on VZW's network. Games I download don't expire in 60 days. I can send or upload pics from my phone to any email address. I've never had any issues with SMS. I can send MMS to any Cingular customer and vise versa without issues. I use over 1400 M2M minutes per month with other VZW users and only use about 400 Anytime. For me, keeping them makes the most sense.

In the end, what makes sense to us in our "personal" situation is what matters most. If I was simply looking for a dirt cheap pricing plan, I'd go with T-Mobile. You have to learn to look beyond the simple brochure because saving $ 5 a month on the plan price or $ 0.20 per extra minute may mean you will wind up spending much more $$$ on miscellaneous features. I'm not a starving student hurting for money, I have great credit, so for me price or credit acceptance is not the only determining feature in choosing a provider.

For me, this is my order of preference when choosing a mobile provider:

1) Coverage
2) M2M compatibility
3) Features
4) Phones
5) Price

I think we all have our preferences in different priorities since we are all so different. I think we can all agree on that if nothing else.

[lennyj17]

I don't pay extra for mobile to mobile. My mobile to mobile and night and weekend minutes work all over the AC Network not just on VZW's network.


Yeah, but you need to be in the home coverage area to use IN and N/W, I know b/c my sister had verzion in Pittsburgh and she could not travel with it to NYC to visit b/c it was out side of her home coverage area, so if she would have brought her phone, all calls would have been roaming (yes even if she was on verizon coverage) and there would have been no N/W or IN Minutes to use. needless to say she now on my sprint acct with a Pitt # and the acct in NYC (cant do that with verzion), so when you look at it sprint has bigger coverage than verzion b/c the entire US is home coverage. One more thing the AC network is VZW's network!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wolfsoul]

i dont know if i should have put this in the watercooler.. but i put it here b/c it was sprint related
anways...

i have noticed this happening more and more frequently... if you tell a verizon user that you use sprint pcs... they almost laugh at it and always consider it the worst cell phone company... they ask why i would ever use sprint and wouldnt go with verizon.. everytime lol

i usually shut them up when i ask them how much their paying and tell them my plan

anyone else experiencing the same thing?


Verizon users huh they just think they are better but i work for a company how sells verizon and sprint and I know for fact that verizon is not the best sprint have better phones and a better digital network ... and the phones. Came on sprint has the collest and smart phones around(cheaper than verizon) .. better plans and everithing ...so in other words sprint RULES :cool:

[Ianbiz]

sprintusers.com should challenge verizonusers.com to a game of dodgeball

YES!!! :hee:
or a game of halo

[tallone09]

Wirelessly posted (VM4050/132.037 UP.Browser/6.2.2.4.e.1.100 (GUI) MMP/2.0)

Well i've had both would not go back to verzion.

[Nugo]

let's face it: most cell customers are koolaid drinkers who thinks every other carrier stinks but theirs. those feelings are amplified by cell customers on internet forums
You really like that koolaid drinker label huh? It is catchy.

[danny.boi]

Yeah, but you need to be in the home coverage area to use IN and N/W, I know b/c my sister had verzion in Pittsburgh and she could not travel with it to NYC to visit b/c it was out side of her home coverage area, so if she would have brought her phone, all calls would have been roaming (yes even if she was on verizon coverage) and there would have been no N/W or IN Minutes to use. needless to say she now on my sprint acct with a Pitt # and the acct in NYC (cant do that with verzion), so when you look at it sprint has bigger coverage than verzion b/c the entire US is home coverage. One more thing the AC network is VZW's network!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Lenny, no offense, but your info is way outdated.

First off, you no longer need to be "IN-Network" for M2M or Night and Weekend Minutes to apply with VZW. That was true last year, but since late October this is no longer true. That is why they now call it, "IN-Calling," instead of "IN-Network." You can use your unlimited night and weekend plus M2M all over the AC Network covering over 289 Million POPS. Either your sister is misinformed, has an old plan, or a local plan that doesn't give her national access.

Second of all, VZW's Network only includes native coverage which they own. The AC Network is a combination of VZW's Network and all roaming partners including: Alltel, Sprint, USCC and many more. As you can see, the AC Network goes well beyond VZW's Network just as the F&C America Plan goes well beyond Sprint's Network.

[danny.boi]

Verizon users huh they just think they are better but i work for a company how sells verizon and sprint and I know for fact that verizon is not the best sprint have better phones and a better digital network ... and the phones. Came on sprint has the collest and smart phones around(cheaper than verizon) .. better plans and everithing ...so in other words sprint RULES :cool:

You work for a some company so it proves Sprint is better?? That's cool but I don't really get that remark??

When comparing two companies, you have to take into consideration the differences and why they exist. Sprint is a smaller company who will work harder to win your business with cool phones and cheap plans. I say cheap because Sprint makes their base plans low but give you "a la carte" options like PCS to PCS, 7pm nights, and $5 free-roaming packages which marks it up a little bit.

Cingular used to be the same way, but ever since they have become #1 in terms of subscribers their pricing plans are no longer as competitive as they used to be. VZW is very similar although their plans have began to offer more than they ever used to just recently. Being in 2nd place just might do that to you. If VZW was third place they'd probably try even harder to be considered a "price leader" even lowering their credit standards to include another segment of society to gain access to their network easier.

I think the mentality of the carriers is that if you keep selling more subs each quarter than your peers, why alter your style to accomadate the few?

If Sprint ever became top dog of US carriers and started to sell more than all the others, I'd expect them to also be less willing to give away the farm. I've noticed that pattern with the others.

[Deval]

I've heard many Sprint employees say they are not too impressed with local service in KC. I deal with all the major telcos and cable companies daily where I work and get different feedback in different areas. I hear more Sprint praise from users in Southern Cali more than any other Sprint covered area. According to Sprint's maps, at least the major roadways seem to be covered well around KC. VZW gets the most praise in the Northeast and Cingular seems to get the most praise in Southern States (from what I hear).

http://www1.sprintpcs.com/explore/coverage/ServiceAreaDetail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=143868 7&CURRENT_USER%3C%3EATR_SCID=ECOMM&CURRENT_USER%3C%3EATR_PCode=None&CURRENT_USER%3C%3EATR_cartState=group&bmUID=1111306510803

I'm have a VZW account too. I get unlimited web on my VCAST subscription for $ 15 per month and it doesn't use my plan minutes. I can tether my EVDO phone to my laptop. I don't pay extra for mobile to mobile. My mobile to mobile and night and weekend minutes work all over the AC Network not just on VZW's network. Games I download don't expire in 60 days. I can send or upload pics from my phone to any email address. I've never had any issues with SMS. I can send MMS to any Cingular customer and vise versa without issues. I use over 1400 M2M minutes per month with other VZW users and only use about 400 Anytime. For me, keeping them makes the most sense.

In the end, what makes sense to us in our "personal" situation is what matters most. If I was simply looking for a dirt cheap pricing plan, I'd go with T-Mobile. You have to learn to look beyond the simple brochure because saving $ 5 a month on the plan price or $ 0.20 per extra minute may mean you will wind up spending much more $$$ on miscellaneous features. I'm not a starving student hurting for money, I have great credit, so for me price or credit acceptance is not the only determining feature in choosing a provider.

For me, this is my order of preference when choosing a mobile provider:

1) Coverage
2) M2M compatibility
3) Features
4) Phones
5) Price

I think we all have our preferences in different priorities since we are all so different. I think we can all agree on that if nothing else.

I have to say, that is one of the better posts I have seen here...

[LenS]

I don't think that "one size fits all"! Although I have Sprint with most of the bells & whistles, I tend to be a basic phone user. I very rarely use the Internet, messaging or camera on my phone. Although I am an Internet junkie and live in Email, I do it with a 19" LCD screen. I have a real digital camera, a PDA (that I ONLY use for addressbook/calendar), etc. I have excellent credit, don't owe anyone anything (except small home equity loan on house) and merchants trip over themselves to try to offer me credit!

Sprint is currently the best solution for me for the primary reason that (due to a new tower that only has Sprint on it so far) I have service coverage at my home/office and around most of the town as I travel. Other providers just don't work here at all due to lack of towers (prohibited by town, Sprint sued and settled so we now have real service from Sprint here).

CDMA hit the nail on the head in his/her analysis!

A lot of our info that colors our opinions of other providers is severely dated.

- I had CellOne (now Cingular) back in 1993-5. Didn't work at all at my home/office (not their fault, see above). I dropped them when they decided to charge me $1/month to get a detailed bill. It just pissed me off to pay to see what i was charged for . . . and since I had a 617-xxx-8000 number I used to get mostly wrong number calls (and I had a Corporate plan deal for $10/month/phone with no minutes, ~$0.50/min after taxes). I only used it in emergencies since i had a calling card from pay phones that was only $0.10/min anywhere in the Northeast. I have NEVER gone back and looked at their plans since I left them in 1995!

- I then went to Bell Atlantic (Nynex, Verizon) thru a reseller (Nationwide Cellular, later bought by MCI) and group plan until MCI screwed up billing so bad I went direct to Verizon. I was with this deal from 1995 to 2002. I was NEVER offered any deals/discounts on phones, retention, etc. I was paying ~$54/month in 2002 (I think it was ~100min/month + 20min/month on Wife's phone). Only thing that they did that made me angry was the auto-rollover of your plan every year (with ETF) if you didn't cancel within 30 days of renewal (with NO notification your contract was coming up). I convinced them to allow me off-contract (in prep for leaving due to no service at home/office) with a call to CS and explanation. I recall their Email service option back in 2000-2001, very expensive and thus of no interest to me. Maybe ~2000 we were in NJ and my Wife left me a VM on my cell . . . didn't get the message until 2 days later when we were driving home (driving thru CT). Similarly we were in FL and she left me VM that I never received until a week later when our plane landed in Boston! Found out that although we had Northeast regional coverage that covered us from ME to DE, "features" such as VM didn't work outside New England! I've never checked their plans since I left them.

- I went to AT&T in 2002, 2 year contract and stopped using them in 18 months (just paid out the rest of the contract at $65/month including taxes). Sometimes worked poorly to fair at home/office (no towers, see above). Didn't activate Internet services, too expensive, didn't need it and wouldn't work from home/office anyway (why bother, 21" CRT monitor was a better solution anyway). We paid $65/month after taxes for 200minutes (I think this was shared) on two lines. Did get first ever rebates on phones. No deals. Loved my Panasonic Allure but it had a fatal design flaw where the earphone jack lifted off the circuit board and you could no longer hear caller in earphone or handset! Had 3 replacements for this problem over 1 year, 4th time was ~1-1/2 year mark and AT&T refused to handle the problem (acknowledged defect by Panasonic). Due to MA Consumer Protection laws, I could have brought considerable legal heat on them, but chose to deal direct with Panasonic who was willing to replace the phone for me. Now have a 1 month old Panasonic Allure sitting here if anyone is interested. :hee: AT&T changed their policy that pissed me off big-time. Warranty replacements were done by mail and they charged you $10 (one time/line/contract). During my contract period they changed that to $50 with NO notification at all. Since this was for Warranty repairs, this was unconscionable (and perhaps our AG would have gone after them if anyone had complained). . . rumor has it they have since dropped it to $25. Due to poor coverage at home/office and a deal from Sprint to try them out, we just stopped using AT&T 6 months early, paid out the monthly until our contract ended and that was that. They made no attempts to contact us for why we were canceling or offer anything to stay on (wouldn't have worked). Had a VM while we were flying home (2001), turned phone on while "in transit" at Philly airport and an hour after turning my phone on, I received the VM (that had been left ~2-3 hours earlier)! Not real efficient.

- October 2003 Sprint opened a new store, we got an invite to a 2hour special "grand opening sale" and they muscled us to sign up with the enticement of two new 8100s free for a 2year contract. Tried it, it actually worked passably at our home/office. My Wife now uses it for Internet and Weather while on the train commuting to/from work. She messages me 1-2x/day, but she rarely uses it as a phone. :confused: She has 1125 minutes lifetime usage on the 8100 after 17 months! We have a 750minute/month plan for $68 after taxes and a 23% business discount (unl messaging, 8PM N/W, Vision, unl P2P). We use ~300-450 total minutes/month on average with 2/3 usage during workdays. VM worked in FL just like we were home! When we traveled to North Conway, NH a Dixie cup and string would work as well as my Sprint phone. It worked in Sunapee, NH area but not along part of the Interstates from North Conway down (until Concord, NH area).

I am very happy with Sprint, but when contract time comes up, I will take a look at what Verizon, and Cingular are offering before making a decision. It'll probably be used to negotiate the best deal with retention at Sprint, but it will pay to see what is available at that time without putting blinders on.

[LoDown3]

let's face it: most cell customers are koolaid drinkers who thinks every other carrier stinks but theirs. those feelings are amplified by cell customers on internet forums

what the hell u talkin bout MC?!
Sprint is the best, theres no downside to them. anyone who would possibly use verizon, t-mobile, cingular is an idiot as is anyone even CONSIDERING to do the same!!

SPRINT OWNS!! COMPLETE OWNAGE=SPRINT.....
















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[lennyj17]

Lenny, no offense, but your info is way outdated.

First off, you no longer need to be "IN-Network" for M2M or Night and Weekend Minutes to apply with VZW. That was true last year, but since late October this is no longer true. That is why they now call it, "IN-Calling," instead of "IN-Network." You can use your unlimited night and weekend plus M2M all over the AC Network covering over 289 Million POPS. Either your sister is misinformed, has an old plan, or a local plan that doesn't give her national access.

Second of all, VZW's Network only includes native coverage which they own. The AC Network is a combination of VZW's Network and all roaming partners including: Alltel, Sprint, USCC and many more. As you can see, the AC Network goes well beyond VZW's Network just as the F&C America Plan goes well beyond Sprint's Network.


I just looked a verzion's web site and it clearey state the IN calling and N/W do not apply when outside the home coverage area, if you are stating that this does not exsit then why does verzion still use the term "Home Coverage Area" and why when i pull up a map for pittsburgh, the states that it includes is PA, WV, MD, NJ, and DE (im not talking about the AC map with all the red) look at you home coverage area map on the ACII plans

[lennyj17]

When comparing two companies, you have to take into consideration the differences and why they exist. Sprint is a smaller company who will work harder to win your business with cool phones and cheap plans. I say cheap because Sprint makes their base plans low but give you "a la carte" options like PCS to PCS, 7pm nights, and $5 free-roaming packages which marks it up a little bit.

Verizon wont even consider offering 7pm Nights and IN and roaming are free with verizon so i wouldnt say sprint gives its farm away!!!!!

[danny.boi]

I just looked a verzion's web site and it clearey state the IN calling and N/W do not apply when outside the home coverage area, if you are stating that this does not exsit then why does verzion still use the term "Home Coverage Area" and why when i pull up a map for pittsburgh, the states that it includes is PA, WV, MD, NJ, and DE (im not talking about the AC map with all the red) look at you home coverage area map on the ACII plans


LOCAL PLAN Lennyj17. That's why. I don't know any carrier who would give anyone free nationwide M2M and Night and Weekend minutes on a local plan? I guess you could consider a VZW local plan to a Sprint Area Wide plan???

For the AC plan, your "home coverage" area is the entire AC Map. All AC Plans are NATIONAL and local plans are completely different.

I know you know what I mean but you may be a little confused on the terminology. That's why we are all here to learn from eachother.

[danny.boi]

Verizon wont even consider offering 7pm Nights and IN and roaming are free with verizon so i wouldnt say sprint gives its farm away!!!!!


VZW used to give away 7pm nights for free up until 2001. So did most other carriers. All the sales employees started to voice complaints to management. As a compromise, they went down to 8pm late in 2001. Then, they went back to 9pm later in the year when they realized they could keep up record sales and offer less.

We were told: " Accentuate the positives and downplay the negatives!!" "We sell our network not early night times like the desperate guys..." "We are not in the business of free... We make money, you make money..." "VZW's style is to sell quality not quantity..." "Our success proves people will pay more for better service.." "Who else invests over $ 4 billion dollars a year in network enhancements?" Our quotas kept going up yet we had no problems making and exceeding them. The organization as a whole always paid their employees more because they were always highly profitable. That doesn't mean anything to a customer who is simply seeking the "best value in wireless," but it makes the employees happy. If you ever wondered why VZW employees take such pride in their company now you know. They really take care their employees financially.

Remember, back then Cingular and Sprint didn't have the network to rationalize keeping their prices high. Cingular offerred unlimited M2M while we offered 1000. But you know what, back then I couldn't hold a call with Cingular for more than three minutes.. LOL...Now, times have changed and so will the market in time. Everything will adjust in time. Sprint and Cingular can offer comporable coverage for less and this takes time for the consumer to soak all this up. Reputation is key. A good reputation will go a lot further than a cheaper plan unless you are only selling to the poor or to college kids.

It wasn't until Cingular became the largest that VZW decided to be a little more generous. 9pm nights started as a "trial" but soon became standard. People kept coming despite the lousy late night starting time.

My inside sources tell me VZW is "actively" considering offering a 7pm night option. VZW is also considering doing away with proration charges. Expect a lot of changes as the industry continues to grow and mature. Expect more consolidation. As saturation levels come to fruition in the US, Sprint and VZW will have to try harder to keep their customers than attract new ones. This is already happening in some areas of the world.

I don't expect 2005 to have all the record setting sales as 2004 did nontheless impressive. Too much competition now.

[dewdude]

I've noticed most everyone who doesn't have Sprint says the service sucks.

I know locally, for a while, it was true. Sprint has serious coverage issues in spots.

I've personally, in some form or another, have tried most of the cell networks out there and use my house as a test location since i live in an area where reception for most services is nil.

Before Sprint I was a AT&T/Cingular GSM customer, before that, Nextel/boost, before that, TMobile, before that, Virgin Mobile.

Virgin as you know uses Sprint's network. I had a Kyocera phone that SOMEWHAT got signal here at my house, i once had a lock in my basement and held a call from the highway to my house, which runs right through a complete dead zone.

my GSM service was...well...sucky at best. There'd be times my phone woud work, but i never had reliable service...move too much and it'd drop, unless i was outside

Nextel somewhat worked in my house...but they added a new tower right NEAR my house which threw the singal strength through the roof.

I've not had Verizon..but my friend does and once made a call from my basement (which is mostly underground, combine that with bad reception area)...but the few people that have been down there with Verizon have said they've got nothing.

Sprint however...so far i've not had an issue with this phone. I've driven through a lot of dead-zones that i had before that this phone STILL continues to show a bar or two (i do get additional info on ##debug). I even show two bars in my basement.

I'm not sure where the closest tower is...the sprint map is outdated. But wherever it is....it's either closer than the GSM towers around..or it's higher up or there's a combo of better signal protocol/phone that allows me to be able to use my 4050 as if i was using a cordless on a landline. i'm amazed.

and apparently the CDMA towers Verizon put in Metro is on the Sprint PRL list...so i should have coverage IN metro..untested.

another thing that happened. I work on pinball machines/arcade games so i spend a bit of time in people's basements. Well, i was in this one house and i had to call back to the shop to get a programming code. so, i instinctivly grab my phone since so far, it's worked everywhere, and the owner said "oh, dude, i have verizon and my phone doesn't work so i doubt yours will, let me grab my cordless", well, i ignored him having seen the two bars on my phone, by the time he returned, i had already finished..so he started asking me who i had, when i told him i had sprint he said "what? really? i thought thier coverage was supposed to be ass"...so i handed him my phone and told him to try it out...so he called himself...and was walking around his basement listening to my phone on his landline.....

i think i converted a verizon user over to sprint.

from what i've heard, the only real reason Verizon has the coverage they claim is because they enter into deals with other companies...i know when i look at thier coverage map (which includes approximate detailed coverage areas) shows a lot of analog roaming...on a road i'm about to take next week...i wonder how many towers this sprint phone will pull off of. I feel if any phone would be good for coverage tests...the 4050 would e a good one...the transciever is diffently a good one.

[danny.boi]

from what i've heard, the only real reason Verizon has the coverage they claim is because they enter into deals with other companies...i know when i look at thier coverage map (which includes approximate detailed coverage areas) shows a lot of analog roaming...on a road i'm about to take next week...i wonder how many towers this sprint phone will pull off of. I feel if any phone would be good for coverage tests...the 4050 would e a good one...the transciever is diffently a good one.


There seems to be a lot of basement users on these forums.. LOL. Just an observation. We don't have too many basements out west in Cali. Earthquakes and lack of tornadoes I guess.

If you look at current maps, most of VZW's coverage is digital. Their own network is 100% digital with analog running underneath older towers built pre 2000 era. The following shows approximate digital analog coverage with VZW. The red is all digital and the pink indicates analog. Of course, it is really hard to be too detailed or accurate when scaling something the size of the US so I give all maps a margin of error including this one.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=planFirst&action=viewNationalPlanOverview



Here is a similar Sprint Free and Clear Map.

http://www1.sprintpcs.com/explore/coverage/NatwideNetwk.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1441563&CURRENT_USER%3C%3EATR_SCID=ECOMM&CURRENT_USER%3C%3EATR_PCode=None&CURRENT_USER%3C%3EATR_cartState=group&bmUID=1111469679964


Both VZW and Sprint claim to cover around 290 million POPS when you include roaming partners both digital and analog. You really can't go wrong with either if national coverage is your thing. However, as you mentioned, depending where you spend most of your time one may be better than the other. I personally would go with a carrier with the most native coverage in places I'd use it most since we all know that one of our carriers' weak points is lack of intercarrier data roaming and/or lack of consistent digital features while roaming off another CDMA or analog network. Our mileage may vary.

[danny.boi]

Is anyone else having issues pasting images on the forum ever since the serves were switched over? I couldn't paste the AC map as an image but only as a link??? Strange.

[bluecoyote]

Wow, I used the Audiovox 8940... the interface on that phone is gorgeous. It's a competent little phone. VCast is pretty good- 99% of the time it's much faster than Vision (although my 4050 does its best to come close)

Too bad Verizon spends more money on finding ways to screw people over than perfecting their services. Web was limited to VZW sites in many cases. Memory card was crippled. VCast content was poorly labeled (but of very good quality) , and the menu navigation was clunky in vCAST Services.

Full review coming later, but Sprint + EVDO = more potential than VZW. Also, considering the speed advantage and ridiculous buffer time, video quality could've been a wee bit better.

[Pg2k3]

I used to hate Sprint for no reason at all. Then I saw the A700 on the Sprint website and thought to myself that the Sprint network must not be too bad since they are now offering Sprint TV (They should have just called it "Video on Demand" since thats what it really is. So after getting tired of my minutes being ate up from excessive data use on Verizon I decided to go to Sprint and get the new A700 and free myself from restricted Wap and minute sucking data usage. Well its been almost 4 months and I really love the service so far. I just dont feel right shelling out $400-500 on a non EV-DO phone for now. My A700 can be cool too if there were more cool programs like streaming AAC shoutcast stations. Or maybe even music videos on demand powered by launch.com. Id gladly pay an extra $10 a month for that. But back on subject. Now since Ive left Verizon they offering something VCast which is similar to Multimedia Vision minus Picture and Video mail. Verizon would have to change quite a bit to make me come back.

[jaminmc]

The Sprint maps need serious updating. There are so many areas that sprint has coverage in now that aren't even on the map. Like Wyoming and Montana has home coverage along highways (thanks to Western Wireless), and the places where qwest wireless was is now sprint coverage.

When I was in The LA area last week, There were area's where sprint had crappy coverage, and When I forced roam onto verizon with my a700, Verizons signal was the same, or a little worse. It seemed like sprint and verizon colocated there towers or something in order to get the same crappy spots. Now when Sprint had an awesome signal, Verizon did too. Thought it was weird

[danny.boi]

I used to hate Sprint for no reason at all. Then I saw the A700 on the Sprint website and thought to myself that the Sprint network must not be too bad since they are now offering Sprint TV (They should have just called it "Video on Demand" since thats what it really is. So after getting tired of my minutes being ate up from excessive data use on Verizon I decided to go to Sprint and get the new A700 and free myself from restricted Wap and minute sucking data usage. Well its been almost 4 months and I really love the service so far. I just dont feel right shelling out $400-500 on a non EV-DO phone for now. My A700 can be cool too if there were more cool programs like streaming AAC shoutcast stations. Or maybe even music videos on demand powered by launch.com. Id gladly pay an extra $10 a month for that. But back on subject. Now since Ive left Verizon they offering something VCast which is similar to Multimedia Vision minus Picture and Video mail. Verizon would have to change quite a bit to make me come back.


You have a nice phone. My sister just got VZW's version of your phone: The Sammy 890. Beautiful color screen and it feels good to the touch. If it had a speakerphone like my LG vx8000, I'd be all over it in a hearbeat.

[dynamojon]

This just cracks me up! When someone says something to me about why I use Sprint no matter who it is, but there are a lot of ****y verizon users here KC. Of course since Sprint is headquartered here, all I do is switch phones with them and let them here the difference because you sure can tell. There is a difference, it always makes them think twice before bringing something like this up to me.

Hm, that's a very good idea.I'll try that next time my VWireless friends tell me sprint sucks.

Maybe it's because of the ad campaigns that occured a few years ago that said that Sprint was the all digital coverage-which was promoted as really clear, then Verizon went and responded by saying that they had more coverage, and that it didn't matter how clear the service was if you weren't getting signal. It was a sad day b/c I knew that Verizon really wasn't that clear in weak spots and people were going to get duped. Too bad it's still happening.

[The Lance]

thats sad because I have yet went to a place that I did not get Service from sprint, other then really high elevations.. My phone works great.. I just visited Verizonusers.com and man do they hate Sprint.. Im not that biased..but I do know that Sprint have as many towers as Verizon does, so how does that turn out to, them getting better service.. Once the merger finalizes I wonder how that theory is going to work out, because we will have more Towers.. its just my rebuttle about verizonusers.com..

[donblay]

i'll be honest and say for the most part verizon does have better coverage. but that's about where it stops for thier pluses. Verizon phones are about a year or more behind in technology than sprint's; thats why i switched in the first place. 2 of the guys here at work have verizon camera phones, and its like pulling teeth to figure out anything on them. sprint phones seem so intuitive; ease of use is very important.
my only gripe is sprint is behind with the adoption of MMS technology. thier PictureMail solution is inexcusable, and way behind industry standards. but in all other aspects i think sprint is better.

[The Lance]

I dont believe their coverage is any better.. considering that I travel a lot and been to a lot of major cities.. Never roamed..calls are still great and what I dont is get why Verizon users say their coverage is better when both Sprint and Verizon roam into each other's network.. of course there are some areas that Verizon has better coverage then Sprint.. Which is also true with Sprint having better Coverage in some areas. I know for a fact right now Sprint has better coverage then Verizon in the State of Minnesota, but that makes no difference whatsoever, because they have better coverage then Sprint in Missouri.. All of us knowing that both companies are simular and have the equal Coverage. Its just that Verizonusers.com are saying th opposite.. :rolleyes:

[tuolumne]

:good:
You said it, pal! Same thing happens from time to time with brand loyalty around these parts. :furious:

Never, Dave!!!!!

[danny.boi]

thats sad because I have yet went to a place that I did not get Service from sprint, other then really high elevations.. My phone works great.. I just visited Verizonusers.com and man do they hate Sprint.. Im not that biased..but I do know that Sprint have as many towers as Verizon does, so how does that turn out to, them getting better service.. Once the merger finalizes I wonder how that theory is going to work out, because we will have more Towers.. its just my rebuttle about verizonusers.com..

Read up a little on PCS tower placement vs Cellular tower placement. PCS carriers generally will position two to three towers where cellular companies can get away with one. Sprint has done a good job at placing more towers in strategic spots to make up for PCS limitations.

In theory, Sprint should have more towers in more places. It operates a 1900 MHz PCS service.

[danny.boi]

I dont believe their coverage is any better.. considering that I travel a lot and been to a lot of major cities.. Never roamed..calls are still great and what I dont is get why Verizon users say their coverage is better when both Sprint and Verizon roam into each other's network.. of course there are some areas that Verizon has better coverage then Sprint.. Which is also true with Sprint having better Coverage in some areas. I know for a fact right now Sprint has better coverage then Verizon in the State of Minnesota, but that makes no difference whatsoever, because they have better coverage then Sprint in Missouri.. All of us knowing that both companies are simular and have the equal Coverage. Its just that Verizonusers.com are saying th opposite.. :rolleyes:


Remember, Sprint's network recently has seen vast improvements, but just a couple of years ago it was not quite as good. Many people tried Sprint a couple of years ago and left due to poor service. Even if Sprint got better, they may still hold a sour taste in their mouths due to past experiences.

VZW has a very loyal customer base and a nationally recognized name that people associate with quality and or vastness. Their churn rates prove that.
It should be no surprise you hear so many praises.

Both companies offer comporable roaming abilities nationwide. If VZW offers a larger "native" coverage area, then you'll naturally have more people who are happy since their digital data features will work across a larger area. Sprint may get blamed for the poor service their roaming partners provide since some people will blame Sprint without knowing better. The same applies vise versa.

I wouldn't go by VerizonUsers.com for any credible data and base your opinions on all users based on what they say. I'm a Verizon user and I can tell you that forum is probably the worst mobile phone forum I've ever visited. I enjoy this one a lot more. :)

[Marlon_JB2]

What a coincidence... This thread comes back from the dead.

My dad called earlier.. He's mad at Sprint.

They hotlined his account. Why? Lack of payment. He blames Sprint's Spending Limits. He's angry, and wants to switch to Verizon, but... thinks Sprint extended his contract without him knowing. Why did that happen? A rebate.

I talked to him, calmed him down, but he's still switching to Verizon when his contract is over.

[The Lance]

I wouldn't go by VerizonUsers.com for any credible data and base your opinions on all users based on what they say. I'm a Verizon user and I can tell you that forum is probably the worst mobile phone forum I've ever visited. I enjoy this one a lot more. :)

:good:

Yeah people here are a lot nicer and actually know what they're talking about..

[danny.boi]

What a coincidence... This thread comes back from the dead.

My dad called earlier.. He's mad at Sprint.

They hotlined his account. Why? Lack of payment. He blames Sprint's Spending Limits. He's angry, and wants to switch to Verizon, but... thinks Sprint extended his contract without him knowing. Why did that happen? A rebate.

I talked to him, calmed him down, but he's still switching to Verizon when his contract is over.

Look at this way. Now you'll have an opportunity to learn about the "other" side and give valuable feedback for those who may have questions or are simply curious.

The Moto V710 is only $ 99.99 if you buy it online. I'd recommend that phone for him. Good reception, quality speakerphone, and large color display. It's a good "guy" phone since it is not tiny like some of the others.

If you have any plan related questions, ask me and I'll do my best to help.

[Marlon_JB2]

Look at this way. Now you'll have an opportunity to learn about the "other" side and give valuable feedback for those who may have questions or are simply curious.

The Moto V710 is only $ 99.99 if you buy it online. I'd recommend that phone for him. Good reception, quality speakerphone, and large color display. It's a good "guy" phone since it is not tiny like some of the others.

If you have any plan related questions, ask me and I'll do my best to help.

You don't understand my dad. He wants basic... really really basic. An Analog Nokia 252 would actually make him happy. Now, however, I would love a V710. :lol: However, I'd hate every minute of looking at "Verizon Wireless" everytime I open my phone.

[danny.boi]

You don't understand my dad. He wants basic... really really basic. An Analog Nokia 252 would actually make him happy. Now, however, I would love a V710. :lol: However, I'd hate every minute of looking at "Verizon Wireless" everytime I open my phone.


I wonder if you can remove the Alpha Tag? I can easily do it with my LG VX8000.

I hear you about your dad. He is like mine. He wouldn't care if I switched his phone with an analog only phone. My dad is not really into phones and uses only 15 minutes per month max. He uses a Nokia 3589i (discontinued) and that's only because I bought it for him. He was perfectly happy with his Nokia 5800 series from '99. That phone has awesome reception. I took it up with me when I went hiking up the base of Mt Whitney here in California. That phone carried clear calls all the way up the mountain.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=398

[Marlon_JB2]

I wonder if you can remove the Alpha Tag? I can easily do it with my LG VX8000.

I hear you about your dad. He is like mine. He wouldn't care if I switched his phone with an analog only phone. My dad is not really into phones and uses only 15 minutes per month max. He uses a Nokia 3589i (discontinued) and that's only because I bought it for him. He was perfectly happy with his Nokia 5800 series from '99. That phone has awesome reception. I took it up with me when I went hiking up the base of Mt Whitney here in California. That phone carried clear calls all the way up the mountain.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=398

Yes, I'm well aware of the Nokia 35XX phones. I hate them all. I had a bad experience with one, and let's say, it got run over by a 4000 lb piece of machinery. (My Jeep)

The point of my post was, if he payed more attention to the contracts he signs, and was responsible enough to pay his bill, he wouldn't have these problems. :bang:(Thankfully, I'm not on his account! :headbang2 )

[leaving_ash]

The point of my post was, if he payed more attention to the contracts he signs, and was responsible enough to pay his bill, he wouldn't have these problems. (Thankfully, I'm not on his account!)

Shrug it off...part of the bizz. There seems to be about 3 types of people I've run across in CS. The first are the people that pay their bil, have a good handle on things, and their account is in good shape. They don't call. The second are the people who feel Sprint actively picks their account to be hotlined...its never the fact that their bills are late ever month or that they have extraordinary large usage. The third seems to consist of one man who lives in New York. He pays his bill a month in advance every month (which is in effect 2 months because we bill a month in advance from the get-go). I asked him about this and he says that's how he does everything. He was so serene (for a New Yorker) I wanted to quit my job, get a robe, and start a cult that follows him around.

Somewhere on the edges are the people that have a crazy mistake on the account that we need to fix yesterday, the people that are just crazy, and the pervs.

[GDiddy]

i dont know if i should have put this in the watercooler.. but i put it here b/c it was sprint related
anways...

i have noticed this happening more and more frequently... if you tell a verizon user that you use sprint pcs... they almost laugh at it and always consider it the worst cell phone company... they ask why i would ever use sprint and wouldnt go with verizon.. everytime lol

i usually shut them up when i ask them how much their paying and tell them my plan

anyone else experiencing the same thing?

As far as service, coverage, quality, etc., Verizon is by far the best. Sprint doesn't even come close. The only advantage Sprint has is their prices. That's why I switched back to Sprint. I got sick of paying $400/month for a couple hundred minutes of actual usage.

[Tigrrre]

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i dont know if i should have put this in the watercooler.. but i put it here b/c it was sprint related
anways...

i have noticed this happening more and more frequently... if you tell a verizon user that you use sprint pcs... they almost laugh at it and always consider it the worst cell phone company... they ask why i would ever use sprint and wouldnt go with verizon.. everytime lol

i usually shut them up when i ask them how much their paying and tell them my plan

anyone else experiencing the same thing?

As far as service, coverage, quality, etc., Verizon is by far the best. Sprint doesn't even come close. The only advantage Sprint has is their prices. That's why I switched back to Sprint. I got sick of paying $400/month for a couple hundred minutes of actual usage.

***? how do you end up paying $400/month for 200 minutes of usage? or was it 200 minutes of overages? :confused:

[GDiddy]

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***? how do you end up paying $400/month for 200 minutes of usage? or was it 200 minutes of overages? :confused:

I'm wondering the same thing. I think they really, really, really like rounding up. And charging me as soon as I hit "send". That's the only explanation I've been able to come up with. My one minute calls would be 5 minutes, etc.

[Tigrrre]

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***? how do you end up paying $400/month for 200 minutes of usage? or was it 200 minutes of overages? :confused:

I'm wondering the same thing. I think they really, really, really like rounding up. And charging me as soon as I hit "send". That's the only explanation I've been able to come up with. My one minute calls would be 5 minutes, etc.

lol maybe thats why they have the best coverage....all that extra $$ they charge they spend on more towers and overpaid techs :p

[PrettyHairShawn]

I'm from Charlotte, NC and Charlotte is a big city in sq miles, from each end of the city is like 15 to 20 miles. I live near downtown Charlotte and my signal is always 4 and sometimes 5 bars and with Verizon it's the same, but when I'm in northeastern part of the city, my signal stays at 4 bars, but Verizon gets 1 or 2. But other parts of North Carolina, Sprint reception is kinda bad, but I guess that's because NC is most rural.

[dravonix]

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Let's see what they say after the merger.

after the merger? dood Ive already got most of my verizon bit*hes (yes, i said they were bit*hes) to switch over to the light side. (i really just hope in right about when the merger happens that sprint and nextel will be able to two-way each other, although they all like RL)

[dustman81]

VZW users say Sprint sucks? Well, first off most switched in the late 90s - early 00's when Sprint wasn't that great. Coverage back then was horrible and people were charged for calling CS. Times have changed since then. Now with Free and Clear America, Sprint users have more coverage then Verizon users. We have 7PM Nights, they don't. We have Fair and Flexable, they still get hit with overage charges. We have unlimited Internet/Pic Mail for $15/mth with no airtime charges, they don't. And Sprint has been aggressively expanding their network since then, but you can't tell VZW users that. In fact, VZW users sometimes use Sprint's network when on America's Choice (but that's slowly shrinking)


My plan smokes anything VZW can offer. VZW doesn't even offer 1/2 the stuff I have and I pay about what someone who has their lowest plan (400 AT + UNL N/Ws @ 9) pays. I get more minutes and more features.

[GDiddy]

VZW users say Sprint sucks? Well, first off most switched in the late 90s - early 00's when Sprint wasn't that great. Coverage back then was horrible and people were charged for calling CS. Times have changed since then. Now with Free and Clear America, Sprint users have more coverage then Verizon users. We have 7PM Nights, they don't. We have Fair and Flexable, they still get hit with overage charges. We have unlimited Internet/Pic Mail for $15/mth with no airtime charges, they don't. And Sprint has been aggressively expanding their network since then, but you can't tell VZW users that. In fact, VZW users sometimes use Sprint's network when on America's Choice (but that's slowly shrinking)


My plan smokes anything VZW can offer. VZW doesn't even offer 1/2 the stuff I have and I pay about what someone who has their lowest plan (400 AT + UNL N/Ws @ 9) pays. I get more minutes and more features.

Actually, Sprint doesn't come anywhere close to having the coverage that verizon does. Verizon has the largest access network in the country, by far. People switch from verizon to sprint because of the price.

[dustman81]

Actually, Sprint doesn't come anywhere close to having the coverage that verizon does. Verizon has the largest access network in the country, by far. People switch from verizon to sprint because of the price.

Actually, America's Choice covers 289 million people while Free and Clear America covers 291 million.

[saudaqeta]

sprintusers.com should challenge verizonusers.com to a game of dodgeball
LOL. We should hack their site and take it down!

[Schon-Master]

LOL. We should hack their site and take it down!

That'd be epic! we should do it :) I can see the headlines:Sprint users hack Verizon causing havoc!

[truckinusa]

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Im not Pro Verizon, but there must be a reason that they have the most customers of any carrier. Sprint only controls 10 percent of the market last time I heard while Verizon has 40 percent. You almost have a Verizon phone with the roaming option. That's what I tell peÌ

[Dale]

Actually, America's Choice covers 289 million people while Free and Clear America covers 291 million.

What I found is despite what Verizon numbers say and what Sprint numbers say, all I can say from experience is that Verizon really kicks Sprint's butt when it comes to voice coverage. Sprint really, really needs to step up to the plate and improve their coverage of their network. One of the primary reasons why I carry a Verizon phone is because of coverage. I can make more calls in more places with less dropped calls on the Verizon network than on the Sprint network.

[the2ndflood]

i dont know if i should have put this in the watercooler.. but i put it here b/c it was sprint related
anways...

i have noticed this happening more and more frequently... if you tell a verizon user that you use sprint pcs... they almost laugh at it and always consider it the worst cell phone company... they ask why i would ever use sprint and wouldnt go with verizon.. everytime lol

i usually shut them up when i ask them how much their paying and tell them my plan

anyone else experiencing the same thing?

I used Verizon for two years and I did not think they worked well at all! Better then Cingular and T-mobile, but not better then Sprint. I have never had anyone bold enough to say that to my face. We would fight!

But ask them if they have ever used Sprint before, and how long ago? Most of them have no room to talk!

Russell

[the2ndflood]

What I found is despite what Verizon numbers say and what Sprint numbers say, all I can say from experience is that Verizon really kicks Sprint's butt when it comes to voice coverage. Sprint really, really needs to step up to the plate and improve their coverage of their network. One of the primary reasons why I carry a Verizon phone is because of coverage. I can make more calls in more places with less dropped calls on the Verizon network than on the Sprint network.

Verizon's "Own" network is not that big. Plus we Sprint's cust get to roam onto Verizons network anyways. So why deal with their crappy plans, high data cost, and poor performance, when we can use Sprint's network and their entire roaming network "Which is larger then Verizon's". Verizon only has what it has because they merged with so many companies and bought out the rest. Their service is patchwork and it shows! Sprint built theirs from the ground up, and that takes time. Give it a few more years, and Verizon won't know what hit them! Sprint-Nextel will be on top!

I HATE VERIZON!!!

Russell

[Clash]

Eh, I will say that while the coverage for Sprint is great, on my family's trip to to Las Vegas, I went into digital (and even analog) roam... more-so out in middle-of-nowhere areas. I tracked where it was for a good 300-400 miles... then my laptop died... luckily I got it fixed (gotta love 3 year warrenties)... If I remember, I'll share what data I've gathered (mainly on I-10 in Texas if I remember correctly though...)

[TwoHelpfulTechs]

i dont know if i should have put this in the watercooler.. but i put it here b/c it was sprint related
anways...

i have noticed this happening more and more frequently... if you tell a verizon user that you use sprint pcs... they almost laugh at it and always consider it the worst cell phone company... they ask why i would ever use sprint and wouldnt go with verizon.. everytime lol

i usually shut them up when i ask them how much their paying and tell them my plan

anyone else experiencing the same thing?

When it comes to a lot of these cell phone companies, I really don't know as much as most of you here. I do know from my personal experiences that Sprint PCS works best for me. When I was looking into getting my shop set up for wireless, I looked into Nextel, VZW and Sprint. Nextel did work pretty well, but they would not give me a good amount of monthly minutes, and the only smart device they sell is the BlackBerry. Which is just not something useful to me. Verizon did not work well at all in my shop, or even around mine, and my family's homes. Verizon sent out I guess he was a field tech to check things out, and he told me I would need a Wireless Repeater Hub. That hub would have costs me 1500 dollars, and the repeater would only work for Verizon's services. Then I rented a few Sprint PCS phones, they worked out just fine for me.

Sprint gives me a great number of minutes and worked with me on my data plan needs.
So for me, Sprint works the best. As long as Sprint keeps getting better, then I don't see any need to change carriers :)

[CDMAisGOD]

i dont know if i should have put this in the watercooler.. but i put it here b/c it was sprint related
anways...

i have noticed this happening more and more frequently... if you tell a verizon user that you use sprint pcs... they almost laugh at it and always consider it the worst cell phone company... they ask why i would ever use sprint and wouldnt go with verizon.. everytime lol

i usually shut them up when i ask them how much their paying and tell them my plan

anyone else experiencing the same thing?


I never liked Verizon. They have good tech support, but really bad network services. I would be using my phone getting pretty good sound quality , then a mile or so down the road I could barely hear anything. Plus my phone would go into analog roaming so often that it was just not worth it.

I think a lot of Verizon customers use Verizon's service, because they are con into it with their "Best Network" commercials. But if you read their web site, they only test parts of four states. That is hardly enough to claim to have the best network. It is kind of like the people who run out and Buy Honda Civics because every one else is buying them. They don't understand the facts behind the product, they just fallow the crowed. Plus Verizon gets high marks from Jd Powers, and those rating come from many people who have never tried any other carrier. I know this, because I have seen the questions asked, and I have known many who have been part of the studies. So no, I will never betray Sprint for Verizon, seeing as I understand the facts behind the products.



Sprint PCS for LIFE!

[The SPCS Guy]

AMEN! I remember when this thread first started, don't know why it took me so long to reply.

JE

[CDMAisGOD]

i dont know if i should have put this in the watercooler.. but i put it here b/c it was sprint related
anways...

i have noticed this happening more and more frequently... if you tell a verizon user that you use sprint pcs... they almost laugh at it and always consider it the worst cell phone company... they ask why i would ever use sprint and wouldnt go with verizon.. everytime lol

i usually shut them up when i ask them how much their paying and tell them my plan

anyone else experiencing the same thing?

No one I know is still with Verizon. Everyone I know has switched to SprintPCS. What Verizon customers have to say, really holds no water with me. I tend to study carriers, instead of being blinded by the carriers commercials. I know for a Fact Sprint PCS is way better then any of them. So for me, Sprint PCS is the carrier that will rule the US in a few more years!!!

:bang: Verizon

[danny.boi]

No one I know is still with Verizon. Everyone I know has switched to SprintPCS. What Verizon customers have to say, really holds no water with me. I tend to study carriers, instead of being blinded by the carriers commercials. I know for a Fact Sprint PCS is way better then any of them. So for me, Sprint PCS is the carrier that will rule the US in a few more years!!!

:bang: Verizon


What do your studies tell you about the way most Americans feel about the carrier they subscribe too?

How would you improve Sprint's churn rate to equal its larger rivals if you were in charge?

Will the combined Sprint-Nextel be able to bring in more subscribers per quarter than T-Mobile or Cingular?

[kingj1768]

I think verizon has more cust. because of there home phone service most people have verizon as there landline so when they go out to buy a cell phone there first thought is verizon.

[slightlyevolved]

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Sprint Needs To Get Their Service Department Fixed. And Now. Them The Pcs Era Of Domination Shall Begin!!!

[the2ndflood]

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Sprint Needs To Get Their Service Department Fixed. And Now. Them The Pcs Era Of Domination Shall Begin!!!

I have found Sprint's Support Dept to be the best. They answer my questions through e-mail and over the phone fast. Every other carrier I have used was really, really slow. T-Mobile was the slowest though. It would normally take them 3 days to respond through the e-mail, and at least 10 minutes over the phone. I once waited a 45 mins, just to be transferred to another Dept. That was one of the main things I hated about them. Their Support Dept never seemed to understand the product. They also messed up the porting of my number over to Sprint. I had to wait almost a month for my original number back! They only did something after I filed complaints with the FCC, BBB, and Planetfeedback.com. I still feel they did it on purpose.

Also, when I was with T-Mobile I had to have them shut of my TXT messaging, because I was being sent way too much spam. T-mobile basically told me "tough ####"!

Cingular was just flat out dumb! They could never figure out how to do anything! I once asked them if I would be able to block a number from calling my phone, and they said no. Sprint has said yes, and showed me how.

I could go on like this all night, but I don't want to be annoying.
Russell

[zeitgeist]

I'm not reading thru all of this but...

Sprint does have the best data plans for their phones. Vision is what, $10 a month? I still can't figure out how T-Mobile, Verizon, or Cingular don't allow their users to have net access w/o paying like $40 a month.

I saw Cingular has some "MediaPack" but you're stuck on their homepage and you have like 5 megs of data, lol. T-Mobile's sidekick seems kinda neat, since it has a native AIM client and you can be on the internet/phone at the same time, but it's $20 I think.

Verizon's data plan is what, $40/mth? I wonder how fast that is. Since Verizon is buying out MCI/UUNet their plans may be MUCH cheaper... UUNet is one of the three major internet backbones with AT&T (bought by SBC) and Sprint (Maybe that's why Vision is so cheap?)

MCI is by far the biggest backbone, however. AT&T coming in second, not that it matters as Southern Bell California isn't a cell phone provider.. Sprint is in third. Verizon may be in a very good place once they aquire MCI, and I bet their data services will be cheaper.

With Sprint, on my Treo, I can browse the internet, check my Gmail, browse RSS feeds, and load up an AIM client, the list goes on...

[zeitgeist]

Is Verizon Wireless a different company than Verizon that provides DSL/Local phone coverage?

[zeitgeist]

Actually I see Cingular is a venture of BellSouth/SBC(60%) so I guess AT&T could help them provide cheaper data services.

[danny.boi]

Is Verizon Wireless a different company than Verizon that provides DSL/Local phone coverage?


Yes, it is an entirely different company. Many posters loosely interchange the two companies as if they were one in the same, but a common name between the two is most likely to blame for this.

Verizon Communications owns a major stake in Verizon Wireless as does Vodafone Group Plc.

Because Verizon owns a larger stake in the company than Vodafone, their board voted to call the wireless company Verizon Wireless. Think of Verizon Comm. simply as a large investor in the company who has final say because they have invested the most money into it.

Verizon Wireless is not publicly traded and will never be as long as Verizon Comm. has its way and/or until they own 100% of the wireless giant. Although they have their own CEO and their own policies, all major changes including all financial spending must be approved by both Verizon Communications and Vodafone.

Verizon Wireless also does not participate in an "union" as does its parent company Verizon and their benefits packages remain different.

For a little perspective on just how large our phone companies are in relation to eachother and to see just how much market power and money they have, click on the following links:

Verizon Comm: http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompanyTearsheet.jhtml?tkr=vz

Vodafone Group: http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompanyTearsheet.jhtml?tkr=vod

SBC Comm: http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompanyTearsheet.jhtml?tkr=sbc

Sprint Nextel: http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompanyTearsheet.jhtml?tkr=s

MCI (Soon to be Verizon) : http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompanyTearsheet.jhtml?tkr=mcip

AT&T (Soon to be SBC) : http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompanyTearsheet.jhtml?tkr=T

[Mastrocalo]

Sprint is the only one works for me where ever I go....Verizon, Cingular Att dont work at home..Sprint is a Cadillac..!

[james2K]

Yeah my Verizon using friends are very ignorant when it comes to sprint. I want to throw my 7400 at them when they talk about "best phones, best network, best service, blah blah blah." The emotionial high my one friend was on after getting the VX8100 was hard to stomach, but I let him have his fun. They sound like trained apes but they do have high-end EV-DO LG's so I can't really say that much...yet. When we get EV-DO and 'hopefully' a dual mode CDMA/iDEN handset as well as dominating native coverage post merger, then they'll be dying to switch but will pay 2x what I do b/c of my retention plan for being a loyal customer during those difficult years.

Those commericals on TV right now really get me pissed. "Only verizon wireless has 'IN' calling...On the Nation's best most reliable wireless network." Just absoulte fictious garbage but they buy it anyway. The worst thing is that a large majority of verizon users have never used Sprint and dog it but truth being told their 'Extended Network' is Sprint's, at least it is in lower MI. Idiots probably drop more calls while on their home network.

Ugh verizon/sprint debates get me so TO'd where's my 7400, I need to find a Verizon user.

I do have to give them props for getting home service in my hometown of Sault Ste. Marie, in the Upper Peninsula of MI. That's an accomplishment all in itself.

[danny.boi]

Y When we get EV-DO and 'hopefully' a dual mode CDMA/iDEN handset as well as dominating native coverage post merger, then they'll be dying to switch but will pay 2x what I do b/c of my retention plan for being a loyal customer during those difficult years.

Those commericals on TV right now really get me pissed. "Only verizon wireless has 'IN' calling...On the Nation's best most reliable wireless network." Just absoulte fictious garbage but they buy it anyway. The worst thing is that a large majority of verizon users have never used Sprint and dog it but truth being told their 'Extended Network' is Sprint's, at least it is in lower MI. Idiots probably drop more calls while on their home network.

I do have to give them props for getting home service in my hometown of Sault Ste. Marie, in the Upper Peninsula of MI. That's an accomplishment all in itself.


Sprint will only get dominating US coverage assuming all the other carriers stop expanding and growing. I can't see that happening anytime soon. I'm not counting roaming coverage; most nationwide plans allow off network roaming.

I disagree with your statement that VZW users have never used Sprint. In fact, there may be a reason many ex Sprint users jumped over to VZW. It could be that a year ago, Sprint sucked in a certain area and the user went to VZW with a poor perception of Sprint service. Even if Sprint improved since then, the old perception will still linger.

As for the commericals, I wouldn't take them personally. They are just ads. If a wireless phone commerical pisses you off, you may want to rearrange your priorities pal. They all have them. Sprint now advertises itself as the most "complete telecommunications provider." The only thing they added to their portfolio is a well known, reputable walkie talkie company while preparing to rid itself of its local landline division. If that makes them the most complete, so be it. Cingular says Rollover is the "best value in wireless." VZW says they are the "most reliable." They are advertising slogans used for marketing purposes. All of them may ring true for some and not for others; no pun intended.

[the2ndflood]

Sprint will only get dominating US coverage assuming all the other carriers stop expanding and growing. I can't see that happening anytime soon. I'm not counting roaming coverage; most nationwide plans allow off network roaming.




I don't think any one wireless carrier will ever have dominating coverage. Within the next tens years, most of the national carriers will cover most of the country, if not all of it. Sprint will cover voice and data on their 1900Mhz and using Nextel's 800Mhz for their CDMA networks. Then cover other parts of the US with QUALCOMM/Flarion Flash-OFDM in their 2.4Ghz spectrum. They could also use any other number of technologies and methods to cover the US.
And Other carriers could do the same.

So no carrier will cover more then any other one. In time, that part should all be the same across the board.