PlayStation Portable: 3/24

[CoreyTheGent]

http://img11.exs.cx/img11/9510/psp4tn.jpg

Playstation.com: PSP (http://www.us.playstation.com/aboutpsp/aboutpsp.aspx)


The time is finally upon us. Am I the only one that's been anticipating this for years since it was first rumored?

What's everybody think? Who's buying one?

[jackdaniels]

I have mine pre-ordered. I will have it on the 24th.

[ken_vs_ryu]

got mine preordered! i cant wait! i was so close on buying an ipod and becoming sheeplike...

[AWESOM-O]

How much is it going to be? I don't see the price.

[Studintx]

Listed Price on Bestbuy.com is 249.99

Sony PSP system which includes: ($249.99)
PSP Hardware
32 MB Memory Stick Duo
Headphones with remote control
Battery pack
AC adaptor
Soft case and cleaning cloth
Movie/music/game video sampler UMD disc including multiple non-interactive game demo
And for the first one million PSP Value Packs shipped, a special UMD video release of the feature film Spider-Man 2 from Sony Pictures Entertainment.

[FloorMatt]

I haven't had a new gaming system since the N64 :eek:

I was planning to get an Xbox (yeah, I know Xbox2 and PS3 are coming)....use it for a while, then put Linux on it.

But......should I just wait for a PSP? Maybe I'll just save up... I dunno! But, I want to play games again! WAahhhh.

And I already use Memory Stick with my Clie (and even a camera). Give me advice, pleaseee

[640k]

I haven't had a new gaming system since the N64 :eek:

I was planning to get an Xbox (yeah, I know Xbox2 and PS3 are coming)....use it for a while, then put Linux on it.

But......should I just wait for a PSP? Maybe I'll just save up... I dunno! But, I want to play games again! WAahhhh.

And I already use Memory Stick with my Clie (and even a camera). Give me advice, pleaseee
Unless you have a Memory Stick Duo you won't be able to use it. However, I read somewhere that the Duos have converters to make them fit in the old Memory Stick slots, so that a bonus for me.

I'm hesitant to go rush out and buy this - I've already seen pre released "designer" cases in different colors, etc., that look sweet.

[FloorMatt]

Unless you have a Memory Stick Duo you won't be able to use it. However, I read somewhere that the Duos have converters to make them fit in the old Memory Stick slots, so that a bonus for me.

I'm hesitant to go rush out and buy this - I've already seen pre released "designer" cases in different colors, etc., that look sweet.

Yeah, I saw that part about the Duo......and there are adaptors for them (Be great if it would come with! Maybe it does...)

I may just get it. :D

Now.....this may sound stupid....but I haven't heard it anywheres......can you hook it up to a TV? I shall take a look.........but, if you can.....I am definitley SOLD.

[chucka]

I have mine preordered too. What games are all of you going to get when it comes out. I'm looking foward to Gran Turismo and ATV offroad fury.

[640k]

Yeah, I saw that part about the Duo......and there are adaptors for them (Be great if it would come with! Maybe it does...)

I may just get it. :D

Now.....this may sound stupid....but I haven't heard it anywheres......can you hook it up to a TV? I shall take a look.........but, if you can.....I am definitley SOLD.
No you can't. As with any other portable. I thought about this the other day myself. would be really great. I think there are just too few pixels to support TV out.

[fever]

I still think the greatest portable is the Sega Nomad, and I wish I hadn't sold mine, I'm still looking for one to buy. That being said, I like the design on the Nintendo DS over the Advance SP, but touching the screen? Please. And YES, I've used it, it's fun for a little bit, but it's still "for kids" in my opinion. Plus, they finally got one at a local Target, and within a week the center of the screen wouldn' recognize touches 9/10th of the time. And YES, I know it basically gets abused 24/7 at places like that, but what does that say about when I want to play it 20 years down the road? My Master System(s) and NES(s) still work fine...

I hope the PSP blows away the DS, but I can't see it doing so. I just hate what Nintendo has stayed.

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As in "Still Is", instead of "Just Become". I still love Mario and Legend of Zelda! But the new games == puke.

[FloorMatt]

No you can't. As with any other portable. I thought about this the other day myself. would be really great. I think there are just too few pixels to support TV out.

I figured that. Ahh well.......there is plenty of other connectivity that makes me want it.

I wish I could preorder it on Amazon.......I guess I will just have to wait.... :(


And the Nomad......I remember that thing! Plays Sega Genesis games. Never tried it, though.

I do have a Nintendo Virtual Boy, though. :hee:

[640k]

I figured that. Ahh well.......there is plenty of other connectivity that makes me want it.

I wish I could preorder it on Amazon.......I guess I will just have to wait.... :(


And the Nomad......I remember that thing! Plays Sega Genesis games. Never tried it, though.

I do have a Nintendo Virtual Boy, though. :hee:
I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone developed some sort of output module. It has a mini USB port, so almost anything is possible. The ported video might be dog slow though.

[CoreyTheGent]

What exactly does the Nintendo DS do besides playing games? Depending on sales, Sony just might establish a whole new movie format with these UMD discs as one or two production companies/distributors are already vowing to offer movies for the PSP.

If it's done right, this could be the biggest portable multimedia device since the iPod. I really don't see the DS f*cking with the PSP.

[fever]

Well, I haven't looked into it, but with the DS you can wirelessly connect to other users somehow and play against them. I'm assuming this functionality is included with the PSP, though. Plus the DS is backwards compatible with ALL previous Game Boy games, as far as I'm aware. I had heard that the PSP was supposed to somehow enable people to rip their old playstation games to the memory card to be able to play them, but that could be complete speculation. Sounds like somehow would have had to come up with a good encoding scheme before Sony would allow that.

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[640k]

What exactly does the Nintendo DS do besides playing games? Depending on sales, Sony just might establish a whole new movie format with these UMD discs as one or two production companies/distributors are already vowing to offer movies for the PSP.

If it's done right, this could be the biggest portable multimedia device since the iPod. I really don't see the DS f*cking with the PSP.
The DS has Nintendo market share - people are loyal to it, its already been out months before the PSP and everyone knows that Nintendo will ultimately have more games. However, I don't see the DS being Nintendo's flagship handheld. I think the SP is still the #1, BUT the DS is NOT a Gameboy.

I think Sony will ultimately hurt on PSP sales since the PS3 and XBOX2 are around the corner. Alot of die-hard gamers don't want to fool with portables and will wait for the consoles instead.

As far as UMD becoming the new movie disc format - don't hold your breath. With blue-laser DVDs coming out that can fit entire television seasons on one disc, UMD with only a 1.8gb capacity isn't going to be replacing anything.

Its just another one of Sony's attempts to change the world. I thought MiniDiscs were the greatest things on earth - but I never bought a player or invested in the cause.

[640k]

Well, I haven't looked into it, but with the DS you can wirelessly connect to other users somehow and play against them. I'm assuming this functionality is included with the PSP, though. Plus the DS is backwards compatible with ALL previous Game Boy games, as far as I'm aware. I had heard that the PSP was supposed to somehow enable people to rip their old playstation games to the memory card to be able to play them, but that could be complete speculation. Sounds like somehow would have had to come up with a good encoding scheme before Sony would allow that.

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PS ripping is rumor.

I didn't know you could play old Gameboy games on the DS - I thought they were different formats. But then, this is another reason why Nintendo continues to dominate the market.

PSP also has WiFi capabilities, along with IR.

[FloorMatt]

PS ripping is rumor.

I didn't know you could play old Gameboy games on the DS - I thought they were different formats. But then, this is another reason why Nintendo continues to dominate the market.

PSP also has WiFi capabilities, along with IR.

WiFi :cool: Now......that does mean Internet gaming (aside from PSP-to-PSP)...right? I can't remember the details I have heard or seen...blah!

But.....there isn't a browser on there....yet.

[640k]

WiFi :cool: Now......that does mean Internet gaming (aside from PSP-to-PSP)...right? I can't remember the details I have heard or seen...blah!

But.....there isn't a browser on there....yet.
WiFi as in 802.11b connectivity. PSP to PSP OR PSP to Internet. Browsing capabilities are on their way. Probably not till after summer.

[CoreyTheGent]

The DS has Nintendo market share - people are loyal to it, its already been out months before the PSP and everyone knows that Nintendo will ultimately have more games. However, I don't see the DS being Nintendo's flagship handheld. I think the SP is still the #1, BUT the DS is NOT a Gameboy.

I think Sony will ultimately hurt on PSP sales since the PS3 and XBOX2 are around the corner. Alot of die-hard gamers don't want to fool with portables and will wait for the consoles instead.

As far as UMD becoming the new movie disc format - don't hold your breath. With blue-laser DVDs coming out that can fit entire television seasons on one disc, UMD with only a 1.8gb capacity isn't going to be replacing anything.

Its just another one of Sony's attempts to change the world. I thought MiniDiscs were the greatest things on earth - but I never bought a player or invested in the cause.I wasn't implying that UMD "would replace DVD," my intentions were that there will be a market for UMDs outside of Sony and its size will be determined by the success of the PSP. DVDs aren't going anywhere because of it, but if there's a high demand for the PSP, there will in turn be a high demand for more movies which can be viewed on the PSP. That equals money.

Sony has already changed the world twice with the PlayStation and PS2. They could've done it again by jumping heavily on the mp3 bandwagon during the iPod's boom. Nobody says they won't have another chance.

If all the Nintendo DS can do is play video-games, I don't see what it has for the PSP besides the size of its video-gaming library. Market share is great and all until a more efficient and worthy product comes along that sparks even the tiniest of a revolution. Ask Motorola about that.

[Jaggrey]

Where did u guys preorder from? Best Buy?

[FloorMatt]

I forgot where I saw this now......but, at CES.....there was a USB Camera, USB GPS, and a USB Keyboard.

Since I don't already have a newer console......I think I will really enjoy the quality of the PSP. That screen.......oh my.......over 16 million colors.

[FloorMatt]

Where did u guys preorder from? Best Buy?

I'd like to do it from Amazon.......but the only one available to do that with is the 5 game bundle ($200 extra) via Toys'R'Us.

[CoreyTheGent]

Here's an up-to-date list of where the PSP is (and will be) available and for how much. Engadget will update the list periodically at the bottom link:

eCost (http://www.ecost.com/ecost/ecsplash/search/search.asp?Search=playstation+portable&NavID_Search=false&CurDSN=simple&calledfrom=1&incimage=on) - $239.00 after $20 rebate
(They aren’t taking online pre-orders yet)

Circuit City (http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=118544&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&ct=0&BV_SessionID=@@@@0490335182.1110232010@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccddaddedemdljfcfngcfkmdffhdffl.0) - $249.96
(They aren’t taking online pre-orders yet)

Best Buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?j=1&navLevel=5&type=category&navHistory=cat00000%2Bcat02000%2Bcat02119%2Bpcmcat 53800050016&id=pcmcat54200050025) - $249.99
(They also aren’t taking preorders yet)

PC Mall (http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail~dpno~306914.asp) - $259.00
(Games & Accessories @ PC Mall (http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/search/search.asp?search=PSP&submit1=Find&NavID_Search=false&CurDSN=simple&calledfrom=1&incimage=on))

PC Connection (http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?sku=5665386) - $269.99

Computers4Sure (http://www.computers4sure.com/product.asp?productid=3045530) - $279.99

Revolution Sales (http://revolution-sales.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=364) - $334.95

GameStop (http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1&product%5Fid=B020248H) - $389.96
(This is actually for their “Sony PSP Silver Pack”)

EB Games (http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/520683.asp) - $399.95
(This is actually for a “PSP Starter Bundle”)

Remember shipping and any applicable taxes are not included in the prices listed above.

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Engadget.com: PSP Watch List (http://engadget.com/entry/1234000733034647/)

[chucka]

I ordered mine from a Blockbuster Gamerush store. I had a lot of movies to trade in so I figured I would use all that money towards the PSP. They said they were only getting 5 psp's on the day it comes out. I'm number 4 and I ordered more than 2 weeks ago.

[FloorMatt]

I wonder how long the wait would be.......if I didn't get a pre-order in.

Unless......Sony could pull a distribution miracle!

[ken_vs_ryu]

I wonder how long the wait would be.......if I didn't get a pre-order in.

Unless......Sony could pull a distribution miracle!
european psp release is held back by the US release since their units are coming here...i doubt any more miracles can come.

[FloorMatt]

Ahh well.......maybe I'll get lucky....wee.

At least Sony is funneling it our way.

[CoreyTheGent]

I wonder how long the wait would be.......if I didn't get a pre-order in.

Unless......Sony could pull a distribution miracle!Only thing I know, official from Sony, is that they guaranteed at least 1,000,000 PSPs in America by March 24th. I believe just that first million will include the Spider Man 2 movie, but that could've changed as well.

I guess it depends on how quickly it catches fire.

[fever]

From what I've read, the DS is backwards compatible, something the new "XBOX2" and PS3 probably won't have going for them. The older games go into a "front slot", and the new games go into a "back slot". I'm not sure why that decision was made. As far as the DS being a Gameboy, we know it's not. But come on, it basicaly is. I've got big man hands, so I *kinda* prefer the DS over the SP, but I wish it was a little thicker. I also prefer the original Xbox Controller over the S.

I can see why the PSX may have been a revolution, but why the PS2? DVD?

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[640k]

PS2 is backward compatible - GameCube is not.
You can almost guarantee the PS3 will be too.
MS is working to make the XBOX backward compatible, but thats the last I've heard.

Of course we're not really talking about Nintendo here, but PSP is new to market and if a PSP2 comes out, I wouldn't be surprised if it were backward compatible too. However, if you perfer the width and thickness of the DS over the SP, you'll love the PSP.

[CoreyTheGent]

Once the PSP is released, there won't be any point in the continued manufacturing of the DS. Nintendo is better off just saving their money.

[fever]

lol, I don't think it'll be quite that bad for Nintendo, but I can't see too many people buying the DS past next Christmas... It's almost TOO gimmicky...

I'd heard that the PS3 won't be backwards-compatible because of the processor they're going to use, but the Xenon certainly won't be, unless they can figure out a pure software solution, and it might be possible, with the specs they've released. By the way, the name is probably going to be "Xenon", as Allard referred to it by that name twice at the GDC, though a slide with "Xbox Next" on it was in the presentation.

Xenon Specs

* CPU - Xenon's CPU has three 3.0 GHz PowerPC cores. Each core is capable of two instructions per cycle and has an L1 cache with 32 KB for data and 32 KB for instructions. The three cores share 1 MB of L2 cache. Alpha 2 developer kits currently have two cores instead of three.
* GPU - Xenon's GPU is a generation beyond the ATI X800. Its clock speed is 500 MHz and it supports Shader 3.0. Developers are currently working with an alpha 2 GPU. Beta GPU units are expected by May and the final GPU is slated for a summer release. The final GPU will be more powerful than anything on the market today; in game terms, it would handle a game like Half-Life 2 with ease.
* System Memory - Xenon will have 256 MB of system RAM. Keep in mind that this number should not be equated to typical PC RAM. The Xbox has 64 MB of system RAM and is a very capable machine.
* Optical Drive - As many have speculated, Xenon will not use Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Games will come on dual-layer DVD-9 discs. While the media is the same as that of the current Xbox, the usable space on each disc is up to 7 GB. The drive is slated to run at 12X.
* Memory Units - Xenon will use 64 MB to 1,024 MB memory cards. 8 MB is reserved for system use, leaving a 56 MB to 1,016 MB for user data.
* Hard Drive - As many have speculated, Xenon's hard drive is optional. 2 GB of the drive will be used as game cache. The final drive size is still being determined.
* Camera - Xenon will have a USB 2.0 camera. It's capable of 1.2 megapixel still shots and VGA video. Photos can be used in-game and for gamer profiles. The camera can also be used for video chat. It's unknown if the Xenon camera will allow for EyeToy-like gameplay. Developers are currently using a simulated camera driver.
* Sound Chip - Xenon does not have an audio chip in the traditional sense. Decompression is handled by hardware, while the rest of the chores are handled by software. DirectSound3D has been dropped in favor of X3DAudio. The former was deemed too inflexible.

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[CoreyTheGent]

Is there any talk of a Microsoft portable gaming system?

[640k]

Is there any talk of a Microsoft portable gaming system?
Yeah its called PocketPC. :)

[FloorMatt]

Is there any talk of a Microsoft portable gaming system?

I remember hearing on G4TechTv......they were talking about the removable HD of the "Xbox 2", might be alluding to a portable. I assume that meant, take out the HD of your "Xbox 2"......put it in the portable.

I still plan on getting the PSP........the PS2 (pretty close, at least) in your hands, plus so much more. :D

[fever]

From everything I've read, Microsoft is claiming to be focused on making the Xenon the best it can be. They feel that working on some kind of portable system will lessen their efforts. I, for one, heartily agree. A portable Xbox system would be cool, but what games would be played on it? Most of the well-known games are huge, and they haven't really established any "mascot" type games or characters. however, if they could put Halo on a portable system, I'd be first in line to buy it. I'd play it over, and over... It would be awesome.

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If the specs for the Xenon are truly that zeroed-in, they may well be planning something, and I'm sure there's tons of information set aside in the event that they do give on the go-ahead, but I think they're going to be focused on games and post-release slump...

[fever]

PSP Specs:

http://www.us.playstation.com/consoles.aspx?id=4

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[FloorMatt]

PSP Specs:

http://www.us.playstation.com/consoles.aspx?id=4

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*checks the calendar* Soon...very soon...

[CoreyTheGent]

What's with all of this "Xenon" talk? Everywhere I look, people have pretty much settled on "X-Box 360."

[sneak]

What exactly does the Nintendo DS do besides playing games? Depending on sales, Sony just might establish a whole new movie format with these UMD discs as one or two production companies/distributors are already vowing to offer movies for the PSP.

If it's done right, this could be the biggest portable multimedia device since the iPod. I really don't see the DS f*cking with the PSP.

I asked a buddy of mine at BBY if we will start carring UMD movies. He said its a good possibility. Also, we expect a campout overnight to get the PSP early morning.

But honestly, I won't buy it. Why? First off, money. Second, I'd rather wait to spend money on games for the PS3, which by the way, will totally kick the **** out of the Nintendo Revolution and X-Box 2. Finally Sony has a console with enough power to not only compete, but dominate for years to come.

[CoreyTheGent]

You could always be greedy like me and get both.

They better start putting some porn movies out on UMD.

[sneak]

They better start putting some porn movies out on UMD.
I can almost guarentee you they will be available on the net.

[fever]

Corey, J. Allard referred to the "2nd Xbox Console" as the "Xenon" at least twice in his GDC speech just last week.

Sneak, what the hell are you talking about? Did you read the Xenon specs? Obviously game console performance can't be measured by mere numbers, since they're dedicated machines... That's why the PS2, GameCube, and Xbox are fairly well-matched, considering the wide discrepancy in "performance". But, if the "Xbox 2" really does have a triple-core PowerPc chip, with each core running at 3.0GHz, then Sony will have to literally make a deal with the Devil, in this case IBM, to even come close to matching the "Xbox 2" in raw power. I will say that I personally believe it could be a triple-core processor, but each core would run at 1.0GHZ, OR a dual-core processor with each core at 1.0 to 3.0GHz, but I could easily be wrong. That means that the internal processor will be 4 times faster than the Xbox, 6 times faster than the GameCube, and 8 times faster than the PS2. Obviously, this means nothing without the games, which is where Sony has always led, but Microsoft has wooed key developers to their ranks by committing to state-of-the-art hardware for a machine that will by all accounts be out by year's end. Now, I haven't seen any specs on the PS2, and they may not exist. I hope it is a worthy machine though, because I've enjoyed most all of my playstation experiences, and I want their to be a PS4, maybe even PS5 down the road. Add to the processor the 500MHz GPU, and 256MB of Ram, and yoiu've got a beast on your hands. Let's hope that Sony and Nintendo come out with equally powerful AND TIMELY machines, and that we continue to have competition.

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By the way, by my own calculations, a triple-core PowerPc chip running an Xbox/Xbox2 at full utilization *at 9.0Ghz* would be roughly equivalent to a personal computer running at 25.0 - 30.0GHZ. This was achieved by remembering my extensive comparison of Xbox Halo vs. PC Halo on my main box vs. PC Halo on my server. Main box is 3.0GHz HT (IntelD) with optimal hardware, server is (coincidentally) Intel P3 733 with better-than-recommended hardware. Of course, the Xbox performed the best.

[CoreyTheGent]

Wrong place to make generalizations, sneak. Fever actually knows what he's talking about. That nerd.

[FloorMatt]

I don't know why they are calling it Xenon.......Where do you think we've heard that name before? Intel...

Anywho...

The PSP is portable....so if you are in the market for one, you could get it (And, of course money is always an issue). PS3/"Xbox2"/Revolution are not portable...and they have their own market.

I stopped playing games after the N64.......I didn't get a Game Cube/Xbox/PS2. So, I am not "tainted" by what they are like. (I've barely had my hands on any of their controllers, let along played a game on 'em) Therefore, I am going to take a different gaming path.....and go portable. :cool:

The PSP shall be a "5600" to me.......just without the Cell phone and Camera. ;) (But, it has WiFi..uses MS Pro DUOs..and has very nice games) Hey, we should do a "pricewatch" for MS Pro DUOs....512mb and 1GB.

That reminds me, look who's making a "gaming" line of memory cards...(SD for Zodiac)

http://www.sandisk.com/images/gs-gaming.gif
Color coded for capacity

[640k]

By the way, by my own calculations, a triple-core PowerPc chip running an Xbox/Xbox2 at full utilization *at 9.0Ghz* would be roughly equivalent to a personal computer running at 25.0 - 30.0GHZ. This was achieved by remembering my extensive comparison of Xbox Halo vs. PC Halo on my main box vs. PC Halo on my server. Main box is 3.0GHz HT (IntelD) with optimal hardware, server is (coincidentally) Intel P3 733 with better-than-recommended hardware. Of course, the Xbox performed the best.
You can't technically compare "computer systems" in this manner. Consider this: The XBOX is a PC. Plain and simple. It has an Intel processor, an nVidia video card and an Intel MoBo(?). The components may not be "swappable", but nonetheless its a true PC. HOWEVER, to compare this "PC" against a consumer PC would be ludicrous. All of the software built for the XBOX are built for specific memory addresses that each specific piece of hardware uses, thus making applications and games run at their full potential.

If you're any sort of computer nerd, I'm sure that you've heard about nVidia and ATI being accused of [caught] optimizing their drivers for specific games, giving them the advantage when websites perform testing. The XBOX is a performer for this very reason. Companies can spend less time trying to make their games compatible with every type of hardware and more time fitting it for one system.

Unfortunately, what this all means is, games like Halo that are "ported" to the PC then don't run nearly as smooth as the system (environment) they were created for.

If you want "real world" comparisons of "PC" to "PC" (XBOX vs. PC), you'll have to run applications that work the same for each system. XBOX has a Linux platform, so comparing applications with Linux on XBOX vs. Linux on a PC (vs. even Linux on PS2) would be a better situation. BUT, if you were able to write a game (or rewrite a game) to meet the specs of your main PC (address for address), you'll have a game that will perform like NO OTHER.

Now on that note, I've always felt that the GTA series ran WAY more smoothly on the PC than the PS2 and the graphics were WAY better. Of course Rockstar practically rewrote the code for the PC and didn't waste their time retrofitting (porting) the game.

[FloorMatt]

Console Games......they get made for a specific system

PC Games.......you make the system, for the specific game.

[fever]

You can't technically compare "computer systems" in this manner.

Obviously not. Notice I said "by my own calculations" resulting from "remembering my extensive comparison of"; also, "Of course, the Xbox performed the best." This method resulted in my ability to *realistically* compare one system's performance against another/others in similar applications. Comparing the performance of Halo PC on my server to Halo PC on my main box allowed me to make the generalization, since that's what it was, that an Xbox with the new chip would perform about nine times faster than an Xbox with the old chip, meaning that a PC computer could compare similarly, and thus those numbers might be such as those I stated. It's certainly not a perfect system.

Yes, I had heard that GPU companies had optimized drivers for specific games. I realize that having one set of components, in actuality or in concept, since there are about seven different models of Xbox, and who knows how many versions of the PSX, PSOne, PS2, PSTwo, and Gamecube, makes coding a game for performance much more viable. That's why I already basically knew what the answer to my Halo question would be, which was "Of course, the Xbox performed the best."

I always thought it interesting that Microsoft called the Xbox a "Video Game System", while Sony called the PS2 a "Computer Entertainment System". So obviously the opposite, lol.

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[640k]

Interesting that Sony didn't hurt themselves with the "computer entertainment system" thing. I seem to remember quite a few CES systems that didn't do so well after the 80s.

[fever]

I know what you're saying, lol... But it's kind of a moot point, since there would have had to be something MAJOR, like the end of the world or the outlawing of electricity, for the PS2 not too have sold astronomically no matter what Sony claimed. That's one reason I don't believe Sony's next system will be the world-crusher some have predicted... Microsoft just has too much of a buzz going with the "Xbox2" to not sell a ton of units, especially if more Halo titles appear. (Ah, yes, the Halo argument... Sony people hate it, but they love their Final Fantasy...)

I'm waiting for figures on the PSP... Seems to me like it's being rushed, and we'll have problems like with the first PSX model and the PS2. I hope not, though...

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[FloorMatt]

I know what you're saying, lol... But it's kind of a moot point, since there would have had to be something MAJOR, like the end of the world or the outlawing of electricity, for the PS2 not too have sold astronomically no matter what Sony claimed. That's one reason I don't believe Sony's next system will be the world-crusher some have predicted... Microsoft just has too much of a buzz going with the "Xbox2" to not sell a ton of units, especially if more Halo titles appear. (Ah, yes, the Halo argument... Sony people hate it, but they love their Final Fantasy...)

I'm waiting for figures on the PSP... Seems to me like it's being rushed, and we'll have problems like with the first PSX model and the PS2. I hope not, though...

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Well, it would seem that some of the problems have already been fixed on the North American PSP. (like the sticky button) So, we shall see.......

I'm going to get one as soon as Amazon has it :) (and not the $449 package that Toy'r'Us is selling through Amazon)

[fever]

Nice, less problems. eCost? has it for 4229 after rebates, I guess. Is Amazon supposed to be better?

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[FloorMatt]

Nice, less problems. eCost? has it for 4229 after rebates, I guess. Is Amazon supposed to be better?

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Well, free shipping....no tax.......and I think I have some Amazon Gift Cards around :D

[kleinang]

played with the psp today at work :hee: the size is not bad .. the screen quality is better than i thought it would be ...when playing spiderman 2 i would have to say i was suprised at how nice the psp is.. how many people will be in line to get them at 12:01am the 24th?

[CoreyTheGent]

how many people will be in line to get them at 12:01am the 24th?Whatever the number is, Sony has compensated for it by postponing the European launch, seeing to it that the demand in the US will be met (hopefully, at least).

[remydagreat]

Wirelessly posted (Sanyo VM4500: Mozilla/4.0 (MobilePhone SCP-5500/US/1.0) NetFront/3.0 MMP/2.0)

I Jus Got Mines Last Nite. Only Thing Im Wonderin Is Anybody Setup They Network To Play Onlne. I Got Midnite Club 3.

[Jordan]

yea, i play mlb online sometimes, just make sure u have wireless enable it on the psp and it'll take u step by step on the screen