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[TknCareOfBsnss]

BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY BOYS!!!!!
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[kleinang]

my dad is still crying because the local fox station delayed nascar 2 1/2hrs to show the iowa bb game :eek:

[dewmik]

Did you see my boy (16) leading the pack, if 97 hadn't messed up when they were drafting that would have been it boys. But thing always look better in the idea stage and accedents happen. Thats my call for 2005 Biffel will take the championship. Stamped and dated

[vikingjunior]

I'm pulling for Kasey Kane this year, I love nascar am going to try and get to the pocono 500 this year it's the closest track to NYC

[dewmik]

Hay JR. Watkins Glen on Aug 14, but it is a road race

[tallone09]

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Have to go for jimmie johnson looking strong already.

[dewmik]

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Have to go for jimmie johnson looking strong already.


48 was not the strong car, mostly he got the position when a lug nut held the 16 up, who had led 44 laps. Then the 12 took two tires to put him in the lead. Biffel was coming strong but the bump he got from 97 put not only 97 back in the pac but left the 16 with no help. 24 helped some but only to get up to his team mate 48.
The Roush/Yates package is huge strong. in the past few years DEI has dominated plate racing but tonight Roush had 3 cars in the top 10. The 6, 16 and 97.
At the end of last season it was the 16 that held the 24 and 48 back so the 97 could get the cup.
The other driver to look at is the 12 of Newman. That boy finished 2nd even though he only took two tires on the green flag stop. When you are running 50 laps and only take 2 at 32 laps and still finish 2nd. That is something to look at. His team mate finished back in 14th though that leaves some questions, but the boy is super fast on the track.
The 8 (everyone’s favorite) had his ignition boxes go bad in the first 20 and started way back in the pack but finished 7th. That says something to.

For Daytona, as far as fast it's the 16, but as we saw tonight fast don't always win. When DEI has the 8 and 15 out there they draft real well together. while the 8 Works good with 20 but when it comes to winning the race or being the first loser, you go for the win. That is DEI's ace. The two know how to run with each other and that wins plate races. Then Walltrup was told if he aint in the top 10 this year he's looking for a new ride. Then DEI stood up and gave the 15 team $$$ and a great crew with Tony Eury Jr leading. Roush/Yates will be strong probably 3, maybe 4 cars in the top 10. The 6 is on his final season, so there might be allot going to that team but the 16 is Jacks baby this year. The 97 has a good car and a good driver, plus he tested at Daytona. The 99 just got sponsored so they will want a top 5 car.
Penske is loosing R. Wallace so the same applies as the 6, but not as much $$ and R & D. But they are running a new car, instead of the intrepid the car is a charger so a new body new look. Maby Dodge is steping it up
Even Petty is going to stick his nose in I think. His focus was on starting the victory junction camp, now it is running and Petty got Evernham motors. They have the 9, 19 and the 9 did real good last year. Ofcorse there is the POS winning, crying, pretty boy J. Gordon (24) and his team mates 5, 25, 44 (limited) and 48. I like all of them cept that winning crying POS 24. But the teams all have strong packages. 24 and 48 in the top 10. But not the 5 or 25, but still in the top 15, maybe 20. The 20 18 team doesn’t really work together like other teams do. The 20 likes to hook up with DEI, and the 18 usually makes new friends fast. That is an odd team. I kinda wonder if Walltrip leaves the 15 car if Tony won't hop on the DEI express.


Well Thats all I have. agan I ramble and spell eveythin wrong

[Matt]

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Tony and Bobby have both said at various times that they are not fond of each other and it shows on the track.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

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Tony and Bobby have both said at various times that they are not fond of each other and it shows on the track.
look for stewart to move to dei if mikey gets the axe...just a feeling i have.

[dewmik]

look for stewart to move to dei if mikey gets the axe...just a feeling i have.

I have that same feeling, but even if Mike stays at DEI the 1 car is open, They would have to get it sponsord though

[TknCareOfBsnss]

I have that same feeling, but even if Mike stays at DEI the 1 car is open, They would have to get it sponsord though
yeah, but i think that ride is tagged for truex jr. that is dale jr. little protege. and a durn good one at that.

[88jr]

Well Thats all I have. agan I ramble and spell eveythin wrong

Dude...you're awesome...I love someone who rambles on about NASCAR. I was surprised that Jr. was not competitive. Johnson has ALWAYS been good on plate tracks so his win is not a surprise. Jr. said in an interview after the Shootout that he had a good 500 car. I KNOW he does...you could see him change from being down to up when he mentioned his 500 car.

I don't at all care for Roush or Hendrick. Hendrick always has their head in the game so they will contend this year...Johnson will be the man to beat, just like the first half of last year.

Roush may be good at times but they are never consistant. They got lucky in my opinion that Busch was consistant over the last 10 of last year. I'm pulling for Martin though...that boy deserves a championship.

I'd like to see Newman with another team...Penske just isn't with it...same with McMurray...if they were with DEI, Hendrick, Gibbs, Roush, or someone else they would be kikkin! I hope McMurray tears it up this year...I love that guy.

Now I'm rambling...I hope this thread will bring out the NASCAR fans on here so we can all get pumped for 2005!

[dewmik]

Now I'm rambling...I hope this thread will bring out the NASCAR fans on here so we can all get pumped for 2005!

Get pumped up man I have been over inflated since November. With no Hockey all I can do is sit in front of ESPN and twitch.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Dude...you're awesome...I love someone who rambles on about NASCAR. I was surprised that Jr. was not competitive. Johnson has ALWAYS been good on plate tracks so his win is not a surprise. Jr. said in an interview after the Shootout that he had a good 500 car. I KNOW he does...you could see him change from being down to up when he mentioned his 500 car.

I don't at all care for Roush or Hendrick. Hendrick always has their head in the game so they will contend this year...Johnson will be the man to beat, just like the first half of last year.

Roush may be good at times but they are never consistant. They got lucky in my opinion that Busch was consistant over the last 10 of last year. I'm pulling for Martin though...that boy deserves a championship.

I'd like to see Newman with another team...Penske just isn't with it...same with McMurray...if they were with DEI, Hendrick, Gibbs, Roush, or someone else they would be kikkin! I hope McMurray tears it up this year...I love that guy.

Now I'm rambling...I hope this thread will bring out the NASCAR fans on here so we can all get pumped for 2005!



PENSKE NOT WITH THE GAME?! PLEASE. 2 years ago they won likee 8 races with Newman. I think the Ganassi is gonna me tough in the next year or two. they would have won the championship in 02 if sterling hadnt gotten hurt..... this will be sterlings last year most likely, with mcmurray picking up his first win.

[dewmik]

Don't count Penske out just yet. Look what the new aero package did for Ford last year. Now Dodge is running the Charger with a design closer to Chevy and Ford. And Dodge is giving more manufacture support to the teams.
The 2, 12 and have strong drivers and crew chefs. Wallace wants to end on a high note and Newman well look last nights shoot out finish. 2nd with only 2 new tires? That’s a good car as fast as these cats are coming and he stayed in the front pac. Towards the end of last year he wasn't looking to shabby. Infact the 2 and 12 both had a good showing in the second half of 2004.
The 77 (co owned with Jasper) is more a wait and see thing. Like I said it is co owned with Penske/Jasper and not as much $$ so a lot of that will be follow the 2 or 12 and what they are doing. A new driver while a rookie Travis Kvapil and only running a limited number of races. He has a good history in Bush and Truck series. There is no real way of knowing what he will do, except he will want to race well to get a full time ride in 06 maybe take over the 2 car.
I agree that the Ganassi garage looks good this year. The 40, 41 and 42 had good runs last year but none in the top 10 in the pts race last year.
But again the new car package may prove to bring the dodges to the winners circle a bit more.
Petty might have somthing to say with the 43 and 45 cars. They havent had a very good run the past few seasons. That might be over with the camp being compleated and Kyle Petty can go back to racing. But that garage needs to put in more $$.
Dodge is realy the only manufacture that has to prove something and catch Chevy and Ford. They are looking to win some races though and they have the drivers to do it.

[dewmik]

What dodge has done lately

[TknCareOfBsnss]

What dodge has done latelyummm dew, thats a pic from last year ;) you know that right.

BTW, qualifiying was a 50/50 surprise with the MB team and Kyle Petty being strong, and DEI NOT being strong....

[dewmik]

yea but I could only find a good one for 2004 of the dodge. I am looking for one for 2005 and will put it up as well kinda a compairason thing.
I am having trouble with the computer here though we keep loosing power so bare with me

[dewmik]

the only one that I could find its a dicast though

[vikingjunior]

Isn't foreign cars suppose to make a bid to race in nascar any word on that.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

i look for toyota to try to stick a camry in by 07, but just my speculation :/

[dewmik]

Toyota is looking into it. I read an artical on one of my racing groups that lined it up. the biggest problems that I see is sponsership, Drivers, and size.
The first few years anyhow the only ones looking at sponsering cars ar gonna want drivers. hence point two. Most drivers love the car that drive, how ever there are exceptions. But DEI is in love with chevy. Not because it is there sponsor but just because, as goes HMS and RCR, Yates, and wood brothers love ford, and petty, he had sezures while dodge was out of nascar. There are exceptions, Roush has only been with ford since 2000 (I think) Chad Littles car was a pont.
Also there would have to be either good timing (that is probable) that had a team at the end of a manufacture contract. So it would be slow. but how many teams are willing to leave a proven stock car builder for a new to nascar toy.
DW did the smart thing with Toy. He hooked up with toy in ithe early years of truck racing. Teams still being formed and drivers being young or not interedsted in cup.
Truck is alot like old school racing. there are alot of things that trucks do that winston and before did. Style of racing to be named one. There are no plates on trucks. It's build it, get a crew that can do it, and a driver that can finish it. Thats whats cool about trucks. It's still stock racing. Get into it boys, and well go racing.
People like Morgon sheperd though, A real racer that has no money, runs of un wanted and used tires he buyes at homested, builds his car on his own, is sponserd by Jesus, a small town John Deere shop, and himself. He might look into a new manufacture.
My personial oppinion. No. hot rods are muscle cars that are on staroids. and Muscle cars come from the detroit 3. The supper zoom zooms are the smaller jobs like fast and furious. A hot rod is an american classic and stock car racing is just that. if it gose wooooomj woooom it is a muscle car if it goes geeee geeee it is a small speedster. Would I mind toy getting in. No, but I am old and see the 3.
Kinda like a handa davidson to me. Maby I am wrong and afer time my view would change but thats what it is now

[NavyCop]

Dale Jarret fan here since 1996.

[dewmik]

Dale Jarret fan here since 1996.

well your guy gets the pole at Daytona.
I am glad your dooing well enough to boogity

[dewmik]

To answer the big question when dose the big wreck happen at Daytona well how about today. During practice.

This could change alot of thoughts to who will win on Sunday.
"I can win the Daytona 500 with the primary car," Martin said. "With that backup? Absolutely not. Never happen. I don't know if they can fix the primary.

So any one want to change there guess.

[Ianbiz]

No offense but NASCAR isnt real reacing. its just going around in a circle :eyeroll: whats so great about it... and even better is taht my neighbor's porsceh goes faster than most of those cars..

[dewmik]

if you have to ask you will never understand. But.
Lets see your porch go that fast in a curcle with a dude bumping your rear end, trying to take your wind just right so you get squirley and sending you sidways. At the same time another cat is door to door with you at 200 miles per hr around that turn taking the wind off your side so he can speed up. Add that the tires your running have gone 100 laps.
Put into play that at you need to get to the pits but when is the question. waiting for a yellow flag would be nice but when will it come down. And win it comes who will be involved and where will you be. That spotter better be paying attention. If you pit under green and a yellow comes you go a lap down. And those cats on your pit crew have to be faster then every other team there.
But you would not understand

[88jr]

if you have to ask you will never understand.

That is the best response out there. I'd love for people that can't understand try to ride just one lap in the "passenger seat" of one of those cars...see what they would say then.

Also...how can you not run in circles. Wouldn't it be boring to watch a 500 mile drag race with pit stops. That track would have to reach from Cleveland to Indianapolis and you'd only see them go by once!

[TknCareOfBsnss]

To answer the big question when dose the big wreck happen at Daytona well how about today. During practice.

This could change alot of thoughts to who will win on Sunday.
"I can win the Daytona 500 with the primary car," Martin said. "With that backup? Absolutely not. Never happen. I don't know if they can fix the primary.

So any one want to change there guess.
well they did fix martins car, hopefully it is still as good..after watching happy hour and the busch race, i think DEI is still VERY VERY strong and will possibly win tomorrow... i think there will be alot of contenders though

[Ianbiz]

F1 is true racing. Not nascar.

[dewmik]

F1 is true racing. Not nascar.

well then go and start a F1 thread you twit

[lwcoffer2]

:good: ..........

[88jr]

F1 is true racing. Not nascar.

Half as many cars...about 75% less lead changes...the same guys always winning compared to 15 teams as season in NASCAR!? Yea...that's racin'...whatever!

[dewmik]

I wish gordon had eaten bad fish, with hot mustard and onions.

[lwcoffer2]

I wish gordon had eaten bad fish, with hot mustard and onions.
im not a big nascar fan, but why is there a dislike for gordon? i can see stewart.

[dewmik]

It comes from back a few years ago a rivelry with Dail Sr. Besides did you see his winning and crying today, saying Jr was holding up to get a run on him. Then his chief loomis going to tell the offical "wa wa wa wawawa"
They don't need to be telling NASCAR how to officeat races. They have been doing for a few years now. And Jr taking a run is not illeagel, and thats wat the ball babies were told.

[88jr]

What a race! It actually was pretty boring until the last few laps. I hate Gordon but he had one of the fastest cars with Stewart and Waltrip. I was actually real surprised at Jr. coming through there like a mad man at the end. Stewart and Johnson added the necessary drama... Gordon though is hated because of his perfect image...plus anyone who runs well all the time will be hated by half the fans. Basically 4 years ago there were 3 fans and 24 fans. Now all the 3 fans still hate Gordon even though they follow someone else...like say #8.

[dewmik]

I felt bad for Walltrup. that dude had such a good run today and got so close to the finish. I don't think he could have won but to finish would have been nice. I have alot of respect for his ability to keep his composure, After being askd what broke he just says, I don't know to much about that stuff, somthing important. That takes a class act if you ask me.
I am also sorry for Lobonte he needs to have a better season then last.
8jr I will agree with you though, the people that liked 3 went to 8 and hate 24. But I remember back when and Gordon, was always kinda a whinner alot, and some of the stuff he pulled was kinda risky, maby it was because he was young and inexperianced. He dosent do alot of that anymore but he is still a whinner. I cant remember what track possably darlington or richmond when the track was cracked and hit his and jr cars. It did damage to 24 nose and 8's undercarrage. But 24 was out there arguing that he should be ablte to fix the car under red, because it was the tracks fault. Thats whinning.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

good race today i agree. disappointed with the outcome, but gordon is a good racer. i dont like his attitude, but he is a good driver. i keep saying it nascar needs to get rid of the plates and do something else to slow down the cars so they dont run single file like they did today, or all bunched up like they have in other years...i've seen tapes of races before plates, and they were good races, and they used to draft and slingshot techniques... but regardless kudos to my man jr for a good finish, and also to martin and wallace, even though they couldnt win. last 10 laps were the most exciting of the day...

[irishfan15202]

Live right across the street from the greatest raceway in the world the Brickyard. Gordon has issues, like when he won the Brickyard the frist time and promise to go to Pittsboro for a parade since he kind of grew up there, instead he went to Cali, what a bum. Stewart wins the title this year.

[vikingjunior]

First let's applaud nascar for not allowing this race to end on a caution, like last year, second am glad stewart didn't win he thinks he's a bad ass. My boy kasey kane had a rough day, I was really pulling for him, he moved up to 4th place with a strong car but that pit crash killed him, then he wiped out all together. Oh well it was a nice finish.

[dewmik]

i keep saying it nascar needs to get rid of the plates and do something else to slow down the cars so they dont run single file like they did today, or all bunched up like they have in other years...i've seen tapes of races before plates, and they were good races, and they used to draft and slingshot techniques...

I 100% agree, The supper speedways are just that, and I think the plates need to go, but I have been against them forever. Thay say they need to slow the cars down but the result is it ends up looking like the IROC races up untell the last 20 laps. There are tons of reasons for and against plates and mine wont change that they do have them. But I wish they were gone.

On another line
Who is your favorite driver (active)
" " (retired or active)
And who do you think will get the cup. Since there is only one race in you can change your mind later. but no to offten.

[suprdav2]

I think had Waltrip not had any problems, with JR getting up there in the final laps, maybe JR and Waltrip could have pulled off a joint effort and both of them finished first/second. And figures........both crybabies that I did not want to finish in the top 5 or 10, end up getting first and second.

And the deal with Gordon crying about JR getting a run on him, wasn't he doing the SAME THING behind Stewart???

Gordon is a good driver, but I do not care for him personally with his attitude, and thinks he's all that. It's really too early to tell........but maybe Johnson will take title, maybe not. I don't really have a preference, but as long as it's not Gordon or Busch.

[dewmik]

Am I on the money or what, this is the boy this year, watch Biffle is the champ in 05. Roush/Yates Ford is going 3 times

Unsung Biffle may be man to beat in NASCAR
By Mike Harris, The Associated Press
March 3, 2005
10:09 AM EST (15:09 GMT)


FONTANA, Calif. (AP) -- People tend to overlook Greg Biffle.

At 35, he certainly isn't one of NASCAR's so-called Young Guns, nor is he a big talker who elicits much attention. But Biffle definitely has credentials.
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A newspaper recently did an anonymous survey of 15 Nextel Cup drivers, asking their opinion on the best in the series. Biffle was on a very short list led by four-time champion Jeff Gordon.

Biffle is the only driver to have won championships in both the Busch and Craftsman Truck series. Now, he's giving every indication of being a serious contender for another title in his third full season on NASCAR's top circuit.

"Biffle is no surprise to anybody in the NASCAR garage," said teammate and series champion Kurt Busch. "Everybody knows what a good driver he is and how tough he and that No. 16 team can be if they put it all together."

Although his first two years in the Cup series produced finishes of 20th and 17th in the standings, the driver from Vancouver, Wash., has four victories. But two of those wins have come in his last three races -- the season-finale last year at Homestead-Miami Speedway and last Sunday at California Speedway.

The win here was particularly impressive, with Biffle twice coming from far back in the field and leading the last 23 laps.

It was apparently no surprise to Biffle, who predicted he would win the race after testing at the track in January.

"After that test, I had a pretty strong feeling that we would win out here if something crazy didn't happen," he explained.

But that doesn't mean it was easy. He muscled his ill-handling Ford to the end, beating hard-charging Jimmie Johnson by six car-lengths.

"This was the toughest of my life to earn," Biffle said. "We overcame more in that race than I ever have in a race car. The car was so loose at times I could hardly keep it going in the right direction, and I didn't know why."

Now, thanks to that masterful driving job -- and despite a 25th-place finish in the season-opening Daytona 500 -- Biffle is fifth in the standings, trailing leader Busch by just 67 points.

Biffle gave car owner Jack Roush his first NASCAR title when he won the truck championship in 2000, and added the Busch championship two years later. Now, Biffle would like nothing better than to present his boss a third straight Cup title.

Matt Kenseth gave Roush his first in 2003.

"I've learned a lot about myself and the way you have to race to win in Nextel Cup," said Biffle, who has been in some trouble on the track by being overly aggressive. "I really think we've got everything we need to be contenders.

"I think Jack gives us everything we need. Now we just have to put it together and make it happen."

It wouldn't surprise crew chief Doug Richert if Biffle becomes the first driver to win titles in all three of NASCAR's top touring circuits.

"I really feel this team is ready," Richert said. "The team has matured, and we've figured out what we need to give Greg for him to win."

Richert knows a bit about calling the shots for championship teams. He was the crew chief in 1980, when the late Dale Earnhardt won the first of his record-tying seven titles.

Roush, who also fields Cup cars for Busch, Kenseth, longtime star Mark Martin and promising newcomer Carl Edwards, has stood behind Biffle even when the driver made disparaging remarks about the team last year.

"There has never been any doubt about his talent," said Roush, who signed Biffle sight unseen after a recommendation from former NASCAR champion Benny Parsons. "He has the ability to do just about anything he wants in this sport, and I expect him to do it for our team."

But, after just two of 36 races, Biffle doesn't want anybody to get too excited.

He shrugged when asked if his victory here is a sign of things to come.

"I don't know," Biffle said. "I'll let everyone else figure that one out."

[TknCareOfBsnss]

I 100% agree, The supper speedways are just that, and I think the plates need to go, but I have been against them forever. Thay say they need to slow the cars down but the result is it ends up looking like the IROC races up untell the last 20 laps. There are tons of reasons for and against plates and mine wont change that they do have them. But I wish they were gone.

On another line
Who is your favorite driver (active)
" " (retired or active)
And who do you think will get the cup. Since there is only one race in you can change your mind later. but no to offten.


fav driver is jr. like kahne also...

ten for the chase

martin
jr
gordon
johnson
biffle
busch
stewart
mcmurray
kahne
edwards

darkhorses include
burton
newman
wallace
jarrett
mears
waltrip

fav inactive driver is elliott and dw.

[dewmik]

fav driver is jr. like kahne also...

ten for the chase

martin
jr
gordon
johnson
biffle
busch
stewart
mcmurray
kahne
edwards

fav inactive driver is elliott and dw.

Martian is a wish my wish to there would be nothing better then him going out on top, I would love that but I don't think it will happen. JR no his year is not 05. The garage change and what happend at Daytona and Cal is goiing to be his season. he will finish well but problems then in the first part each race will hound him. Johnson just no. I don't have the feeling but if a Hendrik can it will be him but it just dosent feel like it will happen. I will call him for the Winston though, or the race of cahampions to new people. As far as Bush, I calld that at the start of last year and I was right. But this year I don't think so. He had an advantage in some ways because he was the first Roush/yates car, then at the last ten with 48 working from the bottom to the top helped the 97, people did not expect that a driver could come from the back of the top ten like that, but in the end it helped 97, if 48 had not advanced like he did it would have been a race between 48 and 8.
Stewrt. just no cuz I don't want that. plus I don't think he will be consistant enough. Another funny feeling.
I will skip to edwards, not gonna happen. money from roush is going to the 16, 97, 6, then 17 then 99. And those in the wind tunnel and test win races. Tjats just the way it is and 88 dose not have the history to put the money into, the sponsoe is only year deal with an option and so we will see

my calls
16, 24, 8, 15, 48, 6, 17, 20, 38, 88, and 41 for the million dollar check

[TknCareOfBsnss]

so, chad knauss, tod berrier and gustafsun are suspendedfor 2-4 weeks, fined and docked 25 points.....great.... though i think they should have stripped johnson of the win and placed him and ky busch last on thelead lap for their cheating..........andberrier should have kept his mouth shut about the risk vs reward and intenionally cheating...

[dewmik]

in some respects I agree, except I don't think he should have had the win taken away, I think he should have been held from the race, but nascar has no rule that supports either idea.
The stupied thing about this whole thing is there was no reqason for it. This early in the season and thay are in the points race, so what was the reason,, It was pointless. I think Hendrik should be fined points and his owner pervisional taken away for the Winston, and the whole Hendrick Garage put on probation for the remainder.
This was uncalled for. I don't know who had a hand in this but the whole garage should be held responsable.
Dale is turning over in his grave for this. As hard as he raced he never cheated.. And most other teams don't now
I hope the Dale is flipping in his grave over that.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

in some respects I agree, except I don't think he should have had the win taken away, I think he should have been held from the race, but nascar has no rule that supports either idea.
The stupied thing about this whole thing is there was no reqason for it. This early in the season and thay are in the points race, so what was the reason,, It was pointless. I think Hendrik should be fined points and his owner pervisional taken away for the Winston, and the whole Hendrick Garage put on probation for the remainder.
This was uncalled for. I don't know who had a hand in this but the whole garage should be held responsable.
Dale is turning over in his grave for this. As hard as he raced he never cheated.. And most other teams don't now
I hope the Dale is flipping in his grave over that.

the car was low and fenders flared on both the 5 and 48. this made the cars lower and faster with more downforce giving an advantage, so i think the win should be stripped and the second place finish. as far as owner provisionals for the winston, its past winners of the winston and past wc/nc champions that get spots, so its not an issue. also dont hold the 24,44 and 25 cars responsible, they did nothing wrong (or atleast didnt get caught)

and harvicks crew chief was a moron for running his mouth.

also, dale sr. has been given fines and docked points for 'infractions' also. he was no angel, and NASCAR was alot more lenient

[dewmik]

I disagree with the holding all teams accountable. It happend in the Hendrick Garage, and so it is a Hendrick issue. As far as JR, no he is no angle and I have seen him do some stuff that may not be cool. but cudos for his comments after the LV wreck. That was cool and showed he is growing up.
The % and 48 agaiun even if somthing is bot within the rules nascar dose not change the top ten for anything except what order a car crosses the finish line. Mabey that shopld change mabey not.
And owner finishes can get a driver into the winston.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

I disagree with the holding all teams accountable. It happend in the Hendrick Garage, and so it is a Hendrick issue. As far as JR, no he is no angle and I have seen him do some stuff that may not be cool. but cudos for his comments after the LV wreck. That was cool and showed he is growing up.
The % and 48 agaiun even if somthing is bot within the rules nascar dose not change the top ten for anything except what order a car crosses the finish line. Mabey that shopld change mabey not.
And owner finishes can get a driver into the winston.

while not recently, nascar has stripped wins. and the cars are paired in garages, though im not sure how.

as much as i dislike gordon, he was legal, we dont know about vickers cause jr. saw to that one. but dont penalize someone for anothers error.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

ok i need to change my opinion.. apparantly the 48 car was not intentionally doing anything wrong, and gained no advantage based on the new aero package, actually gained a disadvantage by being lower. a bolt that helps with the height worked itsself lose and caused the car to lose height. when the bolt was fixed, the car was legal. in this case a fine of points and money is sufficient, but not stripping a win or suspending a crew chief.. my opinion on the 5 car still stands.. he had raised the rear fenders and flared out the front to gain an advantage intentionally.. move him to the last of the lead lap, suspend the crew chief take the points and fine him.

[dewmik]

Man the Roush Busch cars s are bad fast. Edwards looked like his car was on stairoids or something.
Kensith was fast to and in the past races Martian and Biffle do some serious boogity.
If this is any hint of the cup race tomorrow this wil be the new house of Roush. If so bet that the Garage has 4 of the top 10. with Biffle in the lead.
Atlanta is a fast track and I think the Roush/Yates has the key.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

man, i have kept my mouth shut long enough, please get a dictionary, your spelling is close to horrible.

[dewmik]

I know if I am in a hury I won't wory about it, some times I put it on word though

[dewmik]

See thaose Roush/yates have serious boogity. 3 roush cars in the top 5, 99, 16 and 6 and a yates car make it in the top 10, with the 38.those cars are so fast
Edwards is serious. And Biffel , Bush, Kensith and now edwards that is a stron driver lineup. It dose kinda suck what happend to 18. First the wreck then his hand gets hit with debree. That boy is gonna hate Biglanta. As for 24 well as much as I hate him it sux that all those cars got takien in the first lap.Even the SOB 24

[88jr]

First of all...wow...what a finish. I don't care for either of those guys but as a racing fan I LOVE to see finishes like that...it was pretty sweet. What's up with Roush. I HATE Roush! Martin's cool cause he's old but all the other guys are boring! Except for the backflips! I'm a huge DEI RCR fan and man...the last couple years and so far this year...things are bleek! Jr. will get back on track and Martin Truex Jr. will tear things up next year. It's going to be a VERY competitive season...I can't wait 'til Bristol! Yea baby!

[TknCareOfBsnss]

I think something needs to happen at dei. notice something. mikey and jr switched teams, equipment and all. mikey is running like jr did last year. im not saying switch back, i think it was necessary. jr's team need to built some new equipment. i think it proves that maybe mikey didnt get as good equipment as jr got last year. i like roush except kurt busch (reminds me of an evil keebler elf) i mean really, look
http://www.autobet.us/Drivers/Large/Kurt-Busch.jpg

http://www.vegalleries.com/commopc/49keeb9.jpg

but im glad someone different won.. i cant wait till kasey khane breaks through, and hopefully dei will get this season turned around asap.. jr isnt the best at qualifying, and protection from last year is almost over for guaranteed starting spots!

[dewmik]

well with the DEI changes this year is goiing to be hard, remember the only cheif Jr has ever had is Tony and now that has changed. Truex is the only one in DEI that is not changing there team but he is building. If DEI has one top 10 car it has to be mikey, If he is not he is looking for a new ride.
The RCR cars have a good chance with The 29 but the 31 I don't think will be in the top 10 race. and I have not heard much with the 07, And they need to watch ther P's and Q's for a while.
As far as the Hendrick teams The 48 is on top, but 24's thing today will make it hard for him. He will have to lead laps and win races to catch up now. He will probably do good at Indy and At the Road corses. So that might help him.
So don't count DEI out yet, this is only 4 of 36 races.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

well with the DEI changes this year is goiing to be hard, remember the only cheif Jr has ever had is Tony and now that has changed. Truex is the only one in DEI that is not changing there team but he is building. If DEI has one top 10 car it has to be mikey, If he is not he is looking for a new ride.
The RCR cars have a good chance with The 29 but the 31 I don't think will be in the top 10 race. and I have not heard much with the 07, And they need to watch ther P's and Q's for a while.
As far as the Hendrick teams The 48 is on top, but 24's thing today will make it hard for him. He will have to lead laps and win races to catch up now. He will probably do good at Indy and At the Road corses. So that might help him.
So don't count DEI out yet, this is only 4 of 36 races.


i predict that all roush cars will be in the top ten which is 5. you will have johnson and gordon which makes seven. you will have dale jr. which is 8 and im not sure about the other two.. one will be a dodge, either khane or mcmurray. im not sure about the other one though...outside shot at front row joe.

[dewmik]

On March 22, 2005, the National Stock Car Racing Commission heard and considered the Appeal of Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson and Chad Knaus concerning three penalties assessed by NASCAR relative to the #48 car following the NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series race at Las Vegas Motor Speedway on March 13, 2005.

The infractions concerned Section 12-4-A of the NASCAR Rule Book “Actions detrimental to stock car racing” and Section 12-4-Q “Any determination by NASCAR Officials that the car, car parts, components, and/or equipment used in the Event do not conform to NASCAR rules: roof height too low in post-race inspection.”

The penalties assessed were:

• Loss of 25 NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series Championship Car Owner Points for car owner Jeff Gordon.

• Loss of 25 NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series Championship Driver Points for Jimmie Johnson.

• $35,000.00 fine and suspension from NASCAR until April 6, 2005 and suspension from the next two (2) NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series races for crew chief Chad Knaus.

The car was in violation of the rules at the conclusion of the race. This was not contested during the hearing.

Upon review of the evidence presented, and by a majority vote, it is the decision of the National Stock Car Racing Commission to uphold the penalties assessed against Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson and to amend the penalty assessed against Chad Knaus as follows:

$35,000.00 fine. Probation for 90 days, effective from the date of this Hearing.

This decision pertains specifically to the evidence presented in this Appeal. The Commission’s rulings do not have a bearing on existing or announced NASCAR enforcement policies.

The Appellant has the right under Section 15 of the Rule Book to appeal this decision to the National Stock Car Racing Commissioner.

John Cooper
Jack Housby
George Silbermann, Chairman

[dewmik]

On March 22, 2005, the National Stock Car Racing Commission heard and considered the Appeal of Rick Hendrick, Kyle Busch and Alan Gustafson concerning three penalties assessed by NASCAR relative to the #5 car following the NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series race at Las Vegas Motor Speedway on March 13, 2005.

The infractions concerned Section 12-4-A of the NASCAR Rule Book “Actions detrimental to stock car racing” and Section 12-4-Q “Any determination by NASCAR Officials that the car, car parts, components, and/or equipment used in the Event do not conform to NASCAR rules: quarter panel heights too high in post-race inspection.”

The penalties assessed were:

• Loss of 25 NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series Championship Car Owner Points for car owner Rick Hendrick.

• Loss of 25 NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series Championship Driver Points for Kyle Busch.

• $25,000.00 fine and suspension from NASCAR until April 6, 2005 and suspension from the next two (2) NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series races for crew chief Alan Gustafson.

The car was in violation of the rules at the conclusion of the race. This was not contested during the hearing.

Upon review of the evidence presented, and by a majority vote, it is the decision of the National Stock Car Racing Commission to uphold the penalties assessed against Rick Hendrick and Kyle Busch and to amend the penalty assessed against Alan Gustafson as follows:

$25,000.00 fine. Probation for 90 days, effective from the date of this Hearing.

This decision pertains specifically to the evidence presented in this Appeal. The Commission’s rulings do not have a bearing on existing or announced NASCAR enforcement policies.

The Appellant has the right under Section 15 of the Rule Book to appeal this decision to the National Stock Car Racing Commissioner.

John Cooper
Jack Housby
George Silbermann, Chairman

[dewmik]

"I appreciate NASCAR giving us the opportunity to present the facts," Hendrick said. "From our perspective it's important everyone, especially our fans, know that we absolutely had no intention of breaking any rules. "This sport has a rule book for good reason, and it's vital it be enforced. As an owner, I know it's equally important to have a just forum for teams and a fair system of checks and balances. We respect NASCAR's decision and look forward to carrying some momentum into Bristol."

[vikingjunior]

Talledega, anyone, I knew that wreck was coming and JR started it.

[dewmik]

That wasn't JR's fault, The 48 got slipidy and his door went to the front left of the 4 car, sending him towards the wall.
The thing that JR is doing that don't make no sense is he is not working with the 15 like he should. They got a good run together then Jr gos off and dose his own thing leaving the 15 hanging out to dry. then they both go backwards.
I am listing to the 15 on track pass and besides talking about what is better for herpies (cream or shot) they are looking for Jr to keep the run and if not him they will take someone else.
It don't make sense for Jr. People alwawys asked. "why dose DEI win all the plate races"? Well it is simple. The team work. So why not use a proven formula.
Jr dose need to get the game together but the wreck was 48's fault

[dewmik]

Maby I spoke to soon on the 48. It lookd like the 42 got the wiggles into the 48 who went into the 4, then 8 pushes 4. SO I am gonna have to say it was not 42s fault just what happens at 190 mph with a cars less then 6 inches on 3 sides, and a wall on the other

[vikingjunior]

They just interviewed JR and he confessed to bumping the 4

[dewmik]

but listen to what he said with that. he said he was gitting up to bumpdraft the 4, the 4's rear end went up (it's suposed to for BDing) then a silver car (48) went into the 4.
But look at the eagle eye camera. The 42 got lose, bumping the 48, the 48 gets lose and hits the 4. When the 4 slowed down the 8 fot into the 4.
The car that started it all was the 42, but it was not "his fault"

[vikingjunior]

I would like to see jeremy mayfield win
always rooting for the underdog.

[vikingjunior]

Gordon did have a strong car, hey mayfield came in 4th.

[dewmik]

Mayfield only needs some more money in his car. If Evernham put as much $$ as DEI and Hendrik dose into testing and wind tunnels He would probably have already had a win. Slugger is a great Chief and knows who works well with who. Thats somthing that alot of teams don't have.
I would like for Martin and Rusty to get a win this year kind a fair well thing but they have to take it.
I thought Trux did well but again I did not see the DEI cars comming together as a team like they did in the past.. Well off to Darlington,, remember it is a night race..

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Mayfield only needs some more money in his car. If Evernham put as much $$ as DEI and Hendrik dose into testing and wind tunnels He would probably have already had a win. Slugger is a great Chief and knows who works well with who. Thats somthing that alot of teams don't have.
I would like for Martin and Rusty to get a win this year kind a fair well thing but they have to take it.
I thought Trux did well but again I did not see the DEI cars comming together as a team like they did in the past.. Well off to Darlington,, remember it is a night race..ill be there!!! disappointed in the race outcome today

[vikingjunior]

ill be there!!! disappointed in the race outcome today


Why? it was a good race and it didn't end under caution.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Why? it was a good race and it didn't end under caution.disappointed in the outcome= I'm not a gordon fan. I mean he had a great car that was fast, but He isnt my favorite driver, therefore i was disappointed in the outcome.

[dewmik]

did you see my boy run that car. Moved to the top 3 in points. The 16 has serious boggity.

[vikingjunior]

Kasey Kane can't buy one, Newman was stupid for not taking tires, Gordon is always solid. Waltrip is going to get scolded, Earnhardht might not see the race to the cup. I love night racing, Poconco June 12, I'll be there..........

[dewmik]

I wa slistintg to 15 on track pass. 43 was a jerk. Mikey had a chance to be in the top 5 if not win this. So he said hay I what are they gonna do to me. So he took Green. I dont blame him but next week is a short track. Where pay backs are payed. we will see. Remember it's another night race. So Saterday

[neotope]

Kasey Kane can't buy one, Newman was stupid for not taking tires, Gordon is always solid. Waltrip is going to get scolded, Earnhardht might not see the race to the cup. I love night racing, Poconco June 12, I'll be there..........

I'm not a huge Nextel Cup fan and not very educated when it comes to racing. However I don't see how Newman was stupid for not taking tires. He had no idea what everyone else was going to do. If he decided to head towards pit row everyone else might have stayed out. Then how stupid would he have been?

I know that lots of Nascar fans like the strategy that plays into the races. I however can't seem to get into a sport where a clear cut winner loses because of the misfortunate of someone not even involved at the end of the race. If that caution did not occur Newman would have easily won the race.

It seems to me that late race cautions happen a lot and they usually drastically change the outcome of a race. I know its all part of racing but that's just something I can't get over.

[vikingjunior]

I'm not a huge Nextel Cup fan and not very educated when it comes to racing. However I don't see how Newman was stupid for not taking tires. He had no idea what everyone else was going to do. If he decided to head towards pit row everyone else might have stayed out. Then how stupid would he have been?

I know that lots of Nascar fans like the strategy that plays into the races. I however can't seem to get into a sport where a clear cut winner loses because of the misfortunate of someone not even involved at the end of the race. If that caution did not occur Newman would have easily won the race.

It seems to me that late race cautions happen a lot and they usually drastically change the outcome of a race. I know its all part of racing but that's just something I can't get over.


Well at least this year races ain't ending under caution like last year that really sucked............

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Awesome race last night... i was listening to newman.. he wanted to take tires but borland told him not to cause a pit would put them too far back.. probably right... kahne looked really strong all night last night as did dale jr. he came from 39th to 15th in less than 60 laps... cmon top 10 at darlington is pretty good :). itwasawesome underthe lights!

[88jr]

Alright...who's your pick to win the NEXTEL All-Star Challenge this weekend? Kahne, Newman, Johnson, or Biffle. It will be one of those 4 - I have to say KAHNE. Also...if anyone is interested...I have 2 tickets to next weekends Coca-Cola 600...let me know...it's a GREAT race and a great time down in the heart of racing country!

[vikingjunior]

First I was so excited to see kahne win his first race, I have been pulling for him since last year.


So my pick for the all star is Kahne, Gordon, Martin.

Also are those tickets free, am going to the pocono 500 this year but would love to got to the coca cola 600.

[dewmik]

I would love to see martin win it. I think he has earnd it. But as much as I like the Roush Garage I don't think any will do it. From your list I would (and yes I hate myself) Johnson and Gor Gor Gor The 24, Hendrick has had prety strong cars this season. DEI has not had a steller season but some funny things happen for them. And Chevy has once again more cars on the track (hence "they have won more races then any other manufacture") Like buying 3 loto tickes insted of one.
Untell Kensith won a ford has not since 98 (I think) Martian did get that. So I am unsure of the Fords for this. As for Kahne I don't think he has to much of a chance, but I would like to see it happen. It would look great on a resume but he lacks the experiance of the Winston.
Jarrett just lost his crew chief Ford (the person not the car) steped down and even if that is good overall it is hard to get used to a new Chief.
I am going to have to look into more of the line up and think about some stuff so I may post on this a little more later

[88jr]

Also are those tickets free, am going to the pocono 500 this year but would love to got to the coca cola 600.

At this point the answer is no. I'm trying to get rid of them for a friend. The face value is $99. They are in the middle of turns 1 and 2 in the Diamond Tower. If no one is interested in a day or two, I'm going to see what she would like to do with them...we'll see...keep in touch.

Demik...you're awesome...I really need to get on here more and talk racing...you're into it man...How? Being from Colorado and all? Racing isn't too big out there, is it?

[dewmik]

Thanks 8 I love being related with red necks and hill billys. O I am never mind
most of my racing thoughts are what I see in the races and other shows. but try this site
http://insiderracingnews.com/. thay have good info

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Awesome race saturday night, I was ecstatic to see Khane win.. did anyone see the 10 laps with... segment on pre race with him, and he said more than anything he wanted to beat tony stewart for his first win.. kinda prophetic dontcha think....i wish i had the money and i would take those coke 600 tixx off your hands considering i only live about 100 miles from charlotte....

i hate to call next weekend a hendrick weekend, but every time they get down, they come back with a vengance.. i detest hendricks top two drivers... i didnt say they were bad drivers, i think gordon is one of the best out there and johnson if he would quit making bonehead moves, he would be good. of course there are alot of great up and coming drivers and already existing drivers out there...i still call hendrick this weekend with an outside shot at a dodge hitting the big time...

[dewmik]

I would like the Dodge as well Perticulerly (wow) Rusty in the 2 car but the charger just is not happening like the ford did. I am not unimpressed so far with the dodge. Not saying it won't be good but so far it has not performed like it was touted.
TGOB you are right on the money about Hendrik. I hate Gordon and this season have seen alot of him in Johnson but there skills and team are strong. I do however hope that there stearing wheels won't fasten. and the seets fall out. But that wont happen.
Another thing to think about with Hendrik is this is Chaolette aka Lowes moter speed way. So lowes has to put in play we want our car to win and not the 20. This may also make the 20 garage get a rise in umph

[88jr]

I keep forgetting about the Dodge's being a little behind everyone else...maybe I should change my All-Star pick. In the 600 though...you have to go with a veteran. Besides Johnson the Roush cars are always good, Kenseth, Martin, and probably Biffle this year. I have been for I think 6 years now and it's been Johnson, the last 2 years, Martin in 02, Burton in 01 (Roush then), Kenseth in 00, Burton again, in 99, then Gordon the two years before that. The last 8 have been won by Hendrick or Roush. That SUCKS...I hate all those guys. Oh well...I had good luck last year when I went to Bristol and Richmond...Jr. won BOTH!!!!

[TknCareOfBsnss]

I would give my wife to go to bristol for the night race.. always the weekend of my birthday... Big Jr. Fans here :) Though I do have a softspot for the vets, and Kasey Khane.

[dewmik]

I LOVE the roush garage, that is my favorite. The cat in the hat. But this is a different kind of race. Run laps, come to pits, gam breaks, fast pit, get out. finish race.
The Hendriks have fas pits, not as fast as DEI but DEI has not set a exact we will not speed RPM. Pluss Nascar looks at him comming down pit row. Somthing I agreed with Jr on the radio. "I was not going faster then any one else, why only me " With that said he still has not overcoem the new rule. with lasers and the higher god looking at him for it.
The 20 (can't say it) has a great chance of getting close. I don"t think he will win but he likes Jr and if he can block he will. Just so people know I think it should be aginest the rules. Martina did it for Biffel adn Biffel did it to get the 97 the cup

[TknCareOfBsnss]

I LOVE the roush garage, that is my favorite. The cat in the hat. But this is a different kind of race. Run laps, come to pits, gam breaks, fast pit, get out. finish race.
The Hendriks have fas pits, not as fast as DEI but DEI has not set a exact we will not speed RPM. Pluss Nascar looks at him comming down pit row. Somthing I agreed with Jr on the radio. "I was not going faster then any one else, why only me " With that said he still has not overcoem the new rule. with lasers and the higher god looking at him for it.
The 20 (can't say it) has a great chance of getting close. I don"t think he will win but he likes Jr and if he can block he will. Just so people know I think it should be aginest the rules. Martina did it for Biffel adn Biffel did it to get the 97 the cup


I like Roush except kurt busch.. he is the evil keebler elf.. And as much as i like jr. his ' why me' is like telling a cop that pulls you over ' everyone else was going this speed' why did ya pick me.. its unfair, but it happens..

on a side note, i came within a cats whisker of getting arrested on my way to darlington last week.. we were booking it at about 100 ( i know this cause my explorer will not go any faster) and i crest a hill and start down it and there sits a silver intrepid.. i let off the gas and as i pass by the cop looks at me, i look a him and nod and smile.. and 10 seconds after i pass him he pulls out and flips on his lites and starts to come our direction.. i get off at the next exit, which is the darlington exit and pull off and wait.. he never comes... i guess he got someone faster, but ill be danged if i didnt bout pee my pants.

[88jr]

I like Roush except kurt busch.. he is the evil keebler elf.. And as much as i like jr. his ' why me' is like telling a cop that pulls you over ' everyone else was going this speed' why did ya pick me.. its unfair, but it happens..

on a side note, i came within a cats whisker of getting arrested on my way to darlington last week.. we were booking it at about 100 ( i know this cause my explorer will not go any faster) and i crest a hill and start down it and there sits a silver intrepid.. i let off the gas and as i pass by the cop looks at me, i look a him and nod and smile.. and 10 seconds after i pass him he pulls out and flips on his lites and starts to come our direction.. i get off at the next exit, which is the darlington exit and pull off and wait.. he never comes... i guess he got someone faster, but ill be danged if i didnt bout pee my pants.

Thats awesome...you saw one of the best Darlington races yet! So you were real glad Biffle won...I just can't stand any Roush drivers...they are all so BLAH...BORING... I like, Harvick, Stewart, and Robby Gordon...the guys that like to cause a little controversy. I used to hate Wallace, but he's like that too. Gordon and Johnson are gay...they are the pretty boys and it's annoying...everything is so rehersed when it comes to those two. Busch is the worst...it was great when Jimmy punched him in the face....I was at the next race when they suspended Jimmy and when Busch won it was ALL BOOS...people all weekend yelled..."Free Jimmy."

[dewmik]

I am not a Jr fan myself but I sometimes listen on track pass and I do think he is being targeted. But that is because he did build a rep so it is 50/50.
as far as you story I think that is funn/great, I got one to.
I had a dodge Magnum. Not the new station wagon. mine was a 79. There is a strech of 6 miles south of my hometown. Some guy got on my bumper and I got ego and took off.
I am doing about 130 (again ego I looked) and I see a cop south bound. I looked in my rear veiw and he got on teh ramp. I got close to the bowling ally (matt shut up) and hid. Next day I came home and my mom was pissed.. Small town trouble, the sheriff called my mother

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Thats awesome...you saw one of the best Darlington races yet! So you were real glad Biffle won...I just can't stand any Roush drivers...they are all so BLAH...BORING... I like, Harvick, Stewart, and Robby Gordon...the guys that like to cause a little controversy. I used to hate Wallace, but he's like that too. Gordon and Johnson are gay...they are the pretty boys and it's annoying...everything is so rehersed when it comes to those two. Busch is the worst...it was great when Jimmy punched him in the face....I was at the next race when they suspended Jimmy and when Busch won it was ALL BOOS...people all weekend yelled..."Free Jimmy."

Thats why I like Robby Gordon, cause was willing to pay Spencer's Bail. Actually Busch has a little temper on him.. And remember Biffle and Marlin dont really get along.. remember the "bug eyed monster" comment after The Glen last year...

That was the 4th best Darlington finish IMHO. BEST was Busch getting beat by inches by Craven.. I missed that race cause I thought it was going to rain.. I ate those tickets.. After that was Terry Labonte winning the last Southern 500 on Labor Day. After that was Bill Elliott winning in the 11 car. I missed that race cause my mom was sick.. and I loved Elliott. Then was last weeks race... I was listening to Newman, and he was begging to pit. I can't belive Kenny Schrader. He should have taken two tires.

My biggest suspicion was would/did Martin spin himself out to gain a caution to give either him or Biffle a shot at a win? Not characteristic of him, but not out of the realm of reason. Lets look at it.. he finished 5th, and unlike many others a Darlington, didnt hit anything... Though atleast he was bright enough to not brag about anything on the radio like other drivers have *cough*jr*cough*

[dewmik]

8 we gotta talk about your choices in driver.... 20 what the hell

[TknCareOfBsnss]

8 we gotta talk about your choices in driver.... 20 what the hell
Man I like Smoke alot more now than I did last year... Look for Stewart to be driving for DEI when the stars align properly with one contract up and an extra ride open. Could you imagine a 4 car team with Mikey, Truex, Stewart and Jr.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Had to post this again cause I like this comparison

http://www.autobet.us/Drivers/Large/Kurt-Busch.jpg

http://www.vegalleries.com/commopc/49keeb9.jpg

[88jr]

Man I like Smoke alot more now than I did last year... Look for Stewart to be driving for DEI when the stars align properly with one contract up and an extra ride open. Could you imagine a 4 car team with Mikey, Truex, Stewart and Jr.

WOW...that would be awesome...

[dewmik]

I called Kurt for the cup last year. It was just a feeling. I like the kid but I wonder if he has a lot of the 3 in him He is willing to get into the gas and side draft, he comes on the rer to get a guy loose and make him slow he lets people know that he is in the mix. What he lacks is the ability to always be in the front, he won't slide his car to get a yellow, but who else would. He is defently not Sr or a R.petty, Jr johnson or Yarbro but that is who he learnd from an that was racing with additude.
As far as Spencer. The arrest, he should have stayed out and fought another day with the cops (hope I can remember that) but his hittin Busch,well see the above I remember another race with Yarbro, somthing about a fight in the in field a few years ago. racing with additude

.

[suprdav2]

Man I like Smoke alot more now than I did last year... Look for Stewart to be driving for DEI when the stars align properly with one contract up and an extra ride open. Could you imagine a 4 car team with Mikey, Truex, Stewart and Jr.

That would be SWEET!!

As far as Martin causing an intentional caution.........I had that thought in mind from the moment it happened. Anything's possible.

And...is it just me, or does the Keebler Elf seem like he's a bit more arrogant and have more of an ego since he won the cup?? I watched Nascar 360 this past weekend, and on there he really came off as being all mighty since he won the cup. :irked:

-- Dave

[vikingjunior]

I know it hasn't be mentioned but Carl Edwards has had a nice year....................

[dewmik]

H.A. "Humpy" Wheeler, president and general manager of Lowe's Motor Speedway, thinks Jeff Gordon will draw the $1 million winning hand. Wheeler named Gordon as his selection to win Saturday night's 21st running of the NASCAR NEXTEL All-Star Challenge during his annual pick-the-winner press conference Monday in downtown Charlotte. Known for his promotional flair and Karnac-type ability, Wheeler has correctly picked the winner of NASCAR's all-star race nine times in the past 16 races. "Jeff Gordon has this place figured out," Wheeler said about Gordon's understanding of the track's levigated racing surface. "He knew more about what we did to the track than anybody and he even picked out the little secret things we did. "Jeff has shown an ability to adapt to new tracks as fast or faster than any driver I have ever seen," Wheeler continued. "In fact, he might have found a groove nobody knows about. Is he going to show that groove during qualifying? I don't think so. I don't think we'll see it until that final 20-lap segment." This is the fifth time in 11 years Wheeler has selected Gordon to win NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series racing's all-star event and only one of the four previous picks panned out. That came in 1995 when Gordon avoided a crash involving Dale Earnhardt and Darrell Waltrip at the start of the final segment and went on to record his first of three victories

[dewmik]

DEI In Contract Discussions
DEI vice president Richie Gilmore says contract discussions continue with NAPA and Michael Waltrip and with Martin Truex, who is expected to revive the No. 1 Chevrolet in Cup with Bass Pro Shops as the sponsor. Gilmore says that NAPA is looking at a one-year extension, and DEI would like a three-year deal. (Sporting news)

So DEI is looking to keep Mikey for 3 years, I wonder if they are. I figured they would want to kep NAPA but the word was Mikey has to finish in the top 10 to hold his ride. That may have changed seeing how the DEI cars are not doing as well as they used to

[TknCareOfBsnss]

H.A. "Humpy" Wheeler, president and general manager of Lowe's Motor Speedway, thinks Jeff Gordon will draw the $1 million winning hand. Wheeler named Gordon as his selection to win Saturday night's 21st running of the NASCAR NEXTEL All-Star Challenge during his annual pick-the-winner press conference Monday in downtown Charlotte. Known for his promotional flair and Karnac-type ability, Wheeler has correctly picked the winner of NASCAR's all-star race nine times in the past 16 races. "Jeff Gordon has this place figured out," Wheeler said about Gordon's understanding of the track's levigated racing surface. "He knew more about what we did to the track than anybody and he even picked out the little secret things we did. "Jeff has shown an ability to adapt to new tracks as fast or faster than any driver I have ever seen," Wheeler continued. "In fact, he might have found a groove nobody knows about. Is he going to show that groove during qualifying? I don't think so. I don't think we'll see it until that final 20-lap segment." This is the fifth time in 11 years Wheeler has selected Gordon to win NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series racing's all-star event and only one of the four previous picks panned out. That came in 1995 when Gordon avoided a crash involving Dale Earnhardt and Darrell Waltrip at the start of the final segment and went on to record his first of three victories



im not sure about hunpys predictions...
yeah he is right nine out of fifteen, but only 1 for 4 with gordon...

true no one has mentioned edwards.. not sure why, he is a great racer...and for that matter no one has mentioned mcmurray who may well break through.. and if the 09 with sauter is entered its always a shot.. they run well when they run...


my call is ward burton...

[dewmik]

I think Edwards is great. I was a bit surprised that he did so well after the jump from trucks but I am very happy about it.
He will probably take over the 6 car next year, I say probably because things change in the silly season. If I remember (might be wrong I will have to look) his Roush contract is only 2 years and if he did not advance in Busch or Cup he would have been moved back to trucks. But Edwards is putting himself inline to take any open car in the Roush Garage that he wants. And I think he has a loilty to Jack.

Roush as well as Everham is courting newman, but he dose have one more year in the Penske. There is the "unfrendly" thing between him and Rusty. The being part owner of his car and all, But Penske has bought Rusty, Don Miller and John Erickson out. Probably so they could get capatol for there team when Rusty retires as a driver

[88jr]

DEI In Contract Discussions
DEI vice president Richie Gilmore says contract discussions continue with NAPA and Michael Waltrip and with Martin Truex, who is expected to revive the No. 1 Chevrolet in Cup with Bass Pro Shops as the sponsor. Gilmore says that NAPA is looking at a one-year extension, and DEI would like a three-year deal. (Sporting news)

So DEI is looking to keep Mikey for 3 years, I wonder if they are. I figured they would want to kep NAPA but the word was Mikey has to finish in the top 10 to hold his ride. That may have changed seeing how the DEI cars are not doing as well as they used to

Michael is improving...as of right now...he is in the chase...and that's all that matters. Switching cars with Jr. is FINALLY paying off. More for Michael right now. It will be several months before Jr.'s team gets there stuff back to where it was last year....but an improved teamate will help. Next year will kick butt when Truex joins them. They need more data to compete with the 5 cars of Roush and 5 cars of Hendrick. Truex will tear it up...he's pretty cool too...

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Michael is improving...as of right now...he is in the chase...and that's all that matters. Switching cars with Jr. is FINALLY paying off. More for Michael right now. It will be several months before Jr.'s team gets there stuff back to where it was last year....but an improved teamate will help. Next year will kick butt when Truex joins them. They need more data to compete with the 5 cars of Roush and 5 cars of Hendrick. Truex will tear it up...he's pretty cool too...
It did suck for Junior. It does show that both the teams were not perfectly equal. I do hate that about the large teams. One car always seems to get the worse equipment. Biggest point is the 25 Hendrick car, and the 5 until this year. It has NEVER been as competitive as the 24 or 48. Cant say it was the driver, look at the ones that have gone through there- schrader, nadeau (anyone know how he is anyways- he lives near here, but we never hear anything about him), Nemecheck. The same when Roush was first a multi car team. Ted Musgrave was not that bad of a driver. Neither was Chad Little in the John Deere car. I would point out the Petty Cars, but well they both suck. But the fact is is that it always SEEMS that one or two cars in multi car teams get worse equipment. Even the former 30 now 07 car at RCR has NEVER won a race.

Sorry.. /rant off

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Who is going to win the Open tonight to make the big show? who is going to get voted in?

I am of course ROOTING for spencer or gordon to win the open but it wont happen. Logically I think Truex wins, with Schrader getting voted in. If Truex doesn't win, he will be voted in.. unless he wrecks out.

[vikingjunior]

Newman on the pole, am really loving all these night races. Boggity Boggity Boggity, let's go racing boys

[dewmik]

I'm gonna look towards martian. Some logic but mostly hope. But I will also be watching Biffel.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

I'm gonna look towards martian. Some logic but mostly hope. But I will also be watching Biffel.
and a prediction for the open?

[dewmik]

none yet

This is gonna sound bad comming from me but I did not get to see last night. I was sitting here and compleatly forgot to watch. I was watching Johnn Wayne on DVD and did't even think

[dewmik]

Jeff Burton.

[vikingjunior]

Let's hear it for the old man and his viagara, it was a well deserved win.
On another note did you see harvick in action" were the sun doesn't shine".
Of course my boy kahne is in the wrong place at the wrong time, although i don't think he had that strong of a car.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

http://i.a.cnn.net/nascar/2005/images/05/21/lead.382.jpg

and after the race on the radio he said ' if you guys will give me a ride i'll come back next year'

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Let's hear it for the old man and his viagara, it was a well deserved win.
On another note did you see harvick in action" were the sun doesn't shine".
Of course my boy kahne is in the wrong place at the wrong time, although i don't think he had that strong of a car.


1. nemecheck should have left harvick alone
2. harvick shouldnt have shoved nemechecks helmet
3. they both should have shut up and not made fools outta themselves on natl' tv

[dewmik]

I think it's grat for Mark that is somting he deserves, and this way he can come and race it next year and that is cool.
With Harvick and Nemechek, Spencer just said it on Victory lane, "thats racing for a million bucks". Pluss the two were just waiting to get together so they could finish the fight from the Datona 125 wreck.

I did not look for Gordon to do real good when I herd him "steeping in" for DW. He said he was not driving his best car, he wanted to save that for the 600. He would love to win a Coke sponserd race after all the hipe last year with him and Johnson knocking Coke prodects off there cars in victory lane. Not sayng that it my prodiction for the 600 but maby.
The end of the Chalange was great. That is some hard racing right there. Some might say Vickers was to agressive but I think it was good hard racing. Those two fought to the end and thats so cool.

[88jr]

Let's hear it for the old man and his viagara, it was a well deserved win.
On another note did you see harvick in action" were the sun doesn't shine".
Of course my boy kahne is in the wrong place at the wrong time, although i don't think he had that strong of a car.

I was just waiting for hime to say, "I drove so HARD." Or I have never driven so HARD in my life." That would have been great. He seriously has to concentrate not to say that...can you imagine what people would say!

[88jr]

1. nemecheck should have left harvick alone
2. harvick shouldnt have shoved nemechecks helmet
3. they both should have shut up and not made fools outta themselves on natl' tv

1. NA!
2. NA!
3. NA!

I loved it...I thought it was very entertaining...I was laughing... That's why I like Harvick...he's not afraid to look like a moron!

[TknCareOfBsnss]

1. NA!
2. NA!
3. NA!

I loved it...I thought it was very entertaining...I was laughing... That's why I like Harvick...he's not afraid to look like a moron!


well yeah.. i'll give him that. he isnt afraid to look dumb.. remember richmond 2 years ago when he pulled down pit road after the race and ran up against rudds car and they got into it.. and then later rudd said harvick had a little 'yap yap mouth' found it hilarious...

but thats what ya get when ya toss a million dollars infront of men :) it was an awesome race.. i did feel bad for the guys who got taken out in the wreck though... and i felt bad for rusty when newman ran out of talent...

[88jr]

well yeah.. i'll give him that. he isnt afraid to look dumb.. remember richmond 2 years ago when he pulled down pit road after the race and ran up against rudds car and they got into it.. and then later rudd said harvick had a little 'yap yap mouth' found it hilarious...

but thats what ya get when ya toss a million dollars infront of men :) it was an awesome race.. i did feel bad for the guys who got taken out in the wreck though... and i felt bad for rusty when newman ran out of talent...

I agree with you on all of that one! So...who do you guys pick for the 600. I have to do my research for my Fantasy team before I know who to pick. Martin could win the 600 too though...Johnson and Gordon were off in the All-Star race!

[dewmik]

I agree with you on all of that one! So...who do you guys pick for the 600. I have to do my research for my Fantasy team before I know who to pick. Martin could win the 600 too though...Johnson and Gordon were off in the All-Star race!
Yes Gordon and Johnson were not at there best in the Winston but they were not using there bets cars, they said before the race that there better cars were for the 600, they did not want to risk a points car to win the Winston. Also R. Wallace and Newman said the same thing. Rusty's words " Bring me a car that is expendable"
Where the 24, and 48 are in the points makes the 600 more important. Also look at the distance of the race, 600 miles is a long time to tune in a car, or have it go bad.
DEI has had bad starts and good finishes mostly because they run out of laps. Mikey has 5 top ten wins and 2 in the top five's and while Jr is not doing so good he gains a lot of spaces in a race. He dose have 5 top tens and at the Dodge 500 he went from 39th to 8th .The extra 100 may be what he needs to fine tune the car.
Some or the rookies will also have a lot more time in the car and this may tire them, this is a longer race. The exception I would say Kahne in the top 5
He only has 4 top fives but one is a win and then a 2nd and 3rd.
I am somewhat concerned about the Roush/Yates cars. 97, Busch's ****y attitude as late may have set him up for some payback. This is not a short track but hay, if he dose make all 600 he will be in the top 10. His record is still good. So will Edwards. Kenseth, He has not been Mr. consistent as he has been in the past and mostly he is out of the top 15 except with a couple of races he was in the top 10 once and 15 once, maby twice. I don't think he will do all that well. Edwards in the top 10.Baffle will finish in the top 5 as will Martian. Roush has put allot of money in the two cars.
So I will call
Johnson, will win and not in succesionBiffel Gordon, Kahne, Martian.

Edit, I wan to pop Martian and put in edwards. The Winston was a Charlot race but a way different kind. And while he has 3 top fives and 2 to tens I jsut don't think this will be his day.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Ryan Newman starts from outside pole... if he doesnt need engine change..

Robby Gordon complains that Danica Patrick has unfair weight advantage in the indy 500..


My response, is who cares, shes hot...

mods if these pics are in appropriate let me know, but they did come from indy website..

http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/05pics/danica107.jpg
http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/05pics/danica108.jpg
http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/05pics/danica109.jpg
http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/05pics/danica110.jpg
http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/05pics/danica206.jpg
http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/05pics/danica214.jpg

[vikingjunior]

Nice photo shoot, I believe they are appropiate as she has clothes on. No different than the beach.

Back to nascar, well I got Gordon to win it in my fantasy league.

1. Gordon
2. Newman
3. jr.
4. Kahne

I really hope it doesn't rain. :irked:

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Not a chance of rain around here (I live 100 miles from the speedway) i might take newman outta that list depending on what he does with his engine....

[TknCareOfBsnss]

thought i cant say much, i have newman, biffle, harvick and ky busch.

[vikingjunior]

Oh I thought they were calling for some late afternoon t-storms, anyway, the newman thing is a hunch.

Maybe we can start a SU fantasy nascar league with yahoo for the race to the cup, what do you think do we have enough?

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Oh I thought they were calling for some late afternoon t-storms, anyway, the newman thing is a hunch.

Maybe we can start a SU fantasy nascar league with yahoo for the race to the cup, what do you think do we have enough?

we have atleast 4 here that i think would bite on it...

[TknCareOfBsnss]

http://www.weather.com/activities/events/sports/weather/tenday-details.html?locid=USNC0149&dayNum=0&from=weekend

looks good until about 6am :)

[dewmik]

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Thatl ink Is Cool. Thanks. Whem I Get Home I Will Keep That On. Thanks TCOB

[vikingjunior]

we have atleast 4 here that i think would bite on it...


I will start a private league for the run to the cup and will invite all who want to join with the league id# and password.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/4.0 (MobilePhone MM-7400/US/1.0) NetFront/3.1 MMP/2.0)

Thatl ink Is Cool. Thanks. Whem I Get Home I Will Keep That On. Thanks TCOB


You keep on it, me and my case of yuengling will be a in coworkers yard watching it on projection :) :clap: :headbang2

[dewmik]

wow????? This race is gonna take time to process

[vikingjunior]

That was a hellva race, I loved it. Labonte was to easy on Johnson he should of put him in the wall. Jr is not Sr, and it doesn't matter what crew chief he gets he wouldn't be successful.
I felt bad for Vickers he had a legimet shot. Waltrip and kahne have the worst luck. I like Edwards he is young and wild. That was one longggg race.

Well it's on to dover..........

[dewmik]

was that a weird race or what,, but I did call the winner, abd I had Edwards in the top five, one off with Biffel and the rest I could not have been more wrong.
But what is up with Jr. That was just stupied. They came from like 15 and 23 starting, moving up and jr messed it up. There was 186 laps left, that move was not team racing to say the least. If he had run with Mikey they would have pulled to the front and both gotten top 5 finishes. Maby even better.
In years past people were wondreing how DEI dominated the larger tracks so well. It was because they raced as a team. Now Mikeys here and Jr's there. They arn't working together.
But 22 yellows,, I think NASCAR needs to look at the new spoiler package, maby there is something there that is not quite right. I saw alot of weird wrecks.
And that track left alot to be desired. You would think that before a fast race like this they would not patch the cracks like that. Not a fan of J. Gordon but like at Martiansvill, having parts of the track come up and damage your car is not cool.
I had a feeling the 97 would not finish and the 17 also, they have had kinda a rough year, and somthing just said they would wreck. The 97 should not have come back with his car like that but I spose points had alot to do with that decision.
If someone had said Bobby was gonna be racing for the win in the last lap I would hve bet the house. I am glad for hiim though. He needs that insentive. I kinda wish he had pushd Johnson into the wall but he dose not race that way.
Any who this might be a weirdly written post but it was a weird race. Time to think about who will do what at Dover.

[vikingjunior]

I started a fantasy league on yahoo for the SU members, we at least get the second half of the season in, so if you have a yahoo account, the LEAGUE # is 46836 the password is (SPRINT). Everyone is invited.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

I'll join up.. Should make a sticky of this incase there are others interested that dont read the thread..



On another note, WHAT A RACE LAST NIGHT... The top ten at any given point was a bit weird, with Robby Gordon running in it... and schrader had a good run for a while as alot of cars did..

Too bad labonte didnt win, he was mad after the race, kicking his car, but johnson had sheer horsepower.. Good for labonte for racing him clean...

dale Jr needs his eyes checked...

[TknCareOfBsnss]

oh and the link to yahoo fantasy racing is

http://racing.fantasysports.yahoo.com/

[suprdav2]

Jr. said it wasn't intentional.......but still, I think he was a little impatient. And look what it got him?

On Inside Nascar last night, Schrader was joking around with Michael about Jr spinning him and causing a caution.........you could tell that Michael wasn't happy about it. Didn't really want to talk about it, and when he did, wasn't a real pleasant tone. He said that he and Jr. haven't spoken as of yet. But I'm sure there will be a meeting with Theresa about that. Would love to be a fly on that wall!!!

[vikingjunior]

Both drivers at this point in the game must be so frustrated, there is such a high expectency on the both of them. It must be hard for DW to sit up in the booth and keep his mouth shut as you know he wants to say what the hell is jr doing.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Jr. said it wasn't intentional.......but still, I think he was a little impatient. And look what it got him?

On Inside Nascar last night, Schrader was joking around with Michael about Jr spinning him and causing a caution.........you could tell that Michael wasn't happy about it. Didn't really want to talk about it, and when he did, wasn't a real pleasant tone. He said that he and Jr. haven't spoken as of yet. But I'm sure there will be a meeting with Theresa about that. Would love to be a fly on that wall!!!


I can picture Jr sitting there in the office with an uncomfortable look on his face kinda slouched down in a chair getting railed on by theresa and tony sr.

i'm sure itll turn out ok... but it was still a boneheaded move like no other...

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Hmiel suspended again for substance abuse :td:


http://www.nascar.com/2005/news/headlines/bg/06/02/shmiel.suspended/index.html

[88jr]

Hmiel suspended again for substance abuse :td:


http://www.nascar.com/2005/news/headlines/bg/06/02/shmiel.suspended/index.html

I have lost 100 percent respect for him. I think NASCAR should say that he may not ever compete in any of their top 3 divisions, the rest of his career. That's crazy to be that dumb. He got lucky before. That's just what we need is some drugged up (whatever his taste is for) dude running 200mph with 42 lives in danger...that goes for the drunk Scott Wimmer too...that was a slap on the wrist in that situation. But I think Shane should move on to better things...like playing baseball. ;-)

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Drugs can be a hard thing to kick, but jesus if ya slip, have the sense enough to ask for help instead of being stupid like he was.

[suprdav2]

yup...........drugs & 800+hp cars do NOT mix!

[vikingjunior]

Dover was kind of a boring race, I hate when a driver runs away with it, anyway good for biffle he deserved it.

Tony Stewart is gonna get his ass kicked one day, that guy is out of control.

Onto pocono..................

[88jr]

Dover was kind of a boring race, I hate when a driver runs away with it, anyway good for biffle he deserved it.

Tony Stewart is gonna get his ass kicked one day, that guy is out of control.

Onto pocono..................

I agree with the boring comment...I love Dover it's a cool track. But, Sunday I found myself doing a lot of things and not watching the race. It was a little boring plus the usual big names weren't right up front. No, Gordon, Stewart, Jr., Johnson, etc. The best action was Stewart and Gordon going at it. I like Stewart and hate Gordon so I was alright with the outcome. They talked back and forth like little kids...it's all good for the sport!

[TknCareOfBsnss]

I agree with the boring comment...I love Dover it's a cool track. But, Sunday I found myself doing a lot of things and not watching the race. It was a little boring plus the usual big names weren't right up front. No, Gordon, Stewart, Jr., Johnson, etc. The best action was Stewart and Gordon going at it. I like Stewart and hate Gordon so I was alright with the outcome. They talked back and forth like little kids...it's all good for the sport!

And stewart spoke the truth about gordon. remember a few years ago at watkins glen, and on the last turn, he ran out of gas, but stayed in the groove.. and then harvick came along and punted him outta the way cause, well he was slow out of gas and still in the groove.. then gordon whines about incosiderate drivers etc.. well DAYUM, they were still racing for position, its not their fault that nincompoop ran out of gas... and of course its never gordon/johnsons fault.. ever....

[suprdav2]

And stewart spoke the truth about gordon....

True......and if you look at the replay, looks like Stewart BARELY even tapped him in the rear corner. But yet........Gordon makes it out like Stewart slammed into the back of him. Fuggin cry baby.

And what's up with Harvick and his damn tempter tantrums lately? Anyone catch the action between him and Kyle Busch at the Busch race?

[anthony@ddn]

nothin like good ole weekend racing lol

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Mikey won the pole?!?! This is first in what 14 or 15 years? *looks out the window to make sure its not snowing*

[vikingjunior]

Nice race, I really think Edwards is the real deal, am happy for vickers to he is really starting to turn things around.

What is up with all these young kids taking over this sport. Damn.

[suprdav2]

well.........knew it was bound to happen sooner or later.

Nextel Cup to Sprint Cup in 2007? (http://www.racingone.com/column.asp?artnum=23129)

[anthony@ddn]

one can only hope, plus im sure even the color scheme changing to something else from the nextel black and yellow will be a welcome change haha

[TknCareOfBsnss]

8 7 Robby Gordon Chevrolet Menards 192.771 37.350 -0.281


sign number #2163 that the world is coming to an end....

[NwIndianasFines]

Nascar is boring to me.... how can people watch a bunch of cars going in a circle??? sorry not for me

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Before you make that generalization, why dont you ACTUALLY go to a race. They have one every year not too far from you. But to each his own, I think pro basketball is boring...College is much better..

[88jr]

Nascar is boring to me.... how can people watch a bunch of cars going in a circle??? sorry not for me

I would have to agree with you if I hadn't followed racing much before. But just like other sports, to get into it, FIRST you have to have a favorite driver, or two, or three... SECOND, you have to get into watching it for a couple months so you can fully understand the WHOLE picture. This is kind of a bad example but its like a soap opera or a tv show. If you tune in for one episode sure, you can be entertained but you enjoy it more if you are able to watch several and understand everyone and their spot in the whole picture. You have to understand all the driver rivalries. ALSO, there are 43 teams out there each week. That's not even compareable to other sports. Just imagine a regulation basketball court with 20 player, and 4 teams, all playing with 1 ball, all going for a win. There's always something to watch on the track somewhere... Personally I think ALL open wheel racing is boring...there are others out there that love it...it's all preference!

[TknCareOfBsnss]

I would have to agree with you if I hadn't followed racing much before. But just like other sports, to get into it, FIRST you have to have a favorite driver, or two, or three... SECOND, you have to get into watching it for a couple months so you can fully understand the WHOLE picture. This is kind of a bad example but its like a soap opera or a tv show. If you tune in for one episode sure, you can be entertained but you enjoy it more if you are able to watch several and understand everyone and their spot in the whole picture. You have to understand all the driver rivalries. ALSO, there are 43 teams out there each week. That's not even compareable to other sports. Just imagine a regulation basketball court with 20 player, and 4 teams, all playing with 1 ball, all going for a win. There's always something to watch on the track somewhere... Personally I think ALL open wheel racing is boring...there are others out there that love it...it's all preference!

I bet the F1A race was REAL exciting today with only 6 cars running...


Did you enjoy the Greg Biffle/Jack Roush show today...

[88jr]

Actually, today's race was boring... That's why NASCAR needs to get rid of all those dumb 1.5-2 mile race tracks. There is nothing exciting about them...they all get strung out. It was cool to see Gordon and Stewart whine about tires like they do every week. Plus I had my fantasy teams to follow so I was content.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

I hate the cookie cutter tracks.. but if they have to keep one, michigan is one I would like to see stay.. Get rid of cali, and texass and vegass, kansass..

notice how some of the worst tracks end in as s?

[88jr]

I hate the cookie cutter tracks.. but if they have to keep one, michigan is one I would like to see stay.. Get rid of cali, and texass and vegass, kansass..

notice how some of the worst tracks end in as s?

Very true...plus it was the ORIGINAL 2 mile that everyone tried to copy. Texas also gives good racing but they only need to go there once a year.

[TknCareOfBsnss]

I agree.. tex, cal, and vegas only need one date. I approve of giving phoenix a second date, but not with closing the rock. the rock was always an exciting race, unfortunately it wouldnt sell out, so i understand closing it.. getting there was a nightmare, which is why people didnt go. i only went once, and wouldnt go back..

[suprdav2]

Noooooooooooooooo...............don't get rid of Texas. That's the only track closest to me.

:(

[TknCareOfBsnss]

" DEI has some fundamental decisions to make. Dale Earnhardt Jr. not only needs a crew chief, but has commented recently that he's open to the possibility of moving to Richard Childress Racing and driving his Daddy's legendary No. 3."