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vikingjunior

01-24-2005, 10:08 AM

LoDown3

01-24-2005, 10:31 AM

The Pats are unreal. I don't know how anybody can pick against them.
I agree...they're really ridiculous.
I think they could probly take on any NFL team ever. All they gotta do is scout em and Bill thinks up a great strategy. meanwhile, all their players can play like 8 positions and r so damn diverse, but overall u see that they play together as a good TEAM....
I reeeeaaallly dont like em, but u gotta give em props, they're too good.
(+ i hate philly, the fans here went nuts!...just to lose in Jacksonville :hee: )

LoDown3

01-24-2005, 10:39 AM

The pats are a very well balanced TEAM, as you can see these high powered offenses don't win super bowls INDY, MINNESOTA, ATLANTA, ST. LOUIS, these teams have one thing in common NO DEFENSE. I believe you must have a good running game and defense to win super bowls.
umm, atlant has no D???...
maybe u didnt watch the eagles game, how many times we made em punt, our offense just couldnt score, the D kept us in till the 4th with few minutes left!

plussss, led the league in sacks with 48, 9th in interceptions...
Pat Kerney came 4th in sacks with 13 and hes headed to the pro bowl :D

Atlanta has defense with JMjr. stats dont lie.

as for the other teams...ehh, i agree

vikingjunior

01-24-2005, 10:54 AM

umm, atlant has no D???...
maybe u didnt watch the eagles game, how many times we made em punt, our offense just couldnt score, the D kept us in till the 4th with few minutes left!

plussss, led the league in sacks with 48, 9th in interceptions...
Pat Kerney came 4th in sacks with 13 and hes headed to the pro bowl :D

Atlanta has defense with JMjr. stats dont lie.

as for the other teams...ehh, i agree

Correct stats don't lie.
They were ranked 14th in the league in total defense I won't exactly call that a good defense, Maybe average, check it out www.nfl.com.
Keep in mind that game yesterday was played in sub zero temps and very windy, a defenses dream.
I believe if they improve there defense they might have a shot next year, average defenses DONT win superbowls.

NDnut

01-24-2005, 11:48 AM

umm, atlant has no D???...
maybe u didnt watch the eagles game, how many times we made em punt

Made Philly punt a whole 3 times.... ATL hung around the first half, due mainly to 4 penalties on the Eagles, one of which wiped out an interception, and I believe both gave ATL first downs on their two scoring drives. Without those penalties, could easily have been 27-0 or even 27-3. But, ATL was dominated in the second half. Vick = -7 yards rishing (26 years rushing minus 33 years for sack losses)? Comeon, Westbrook ran for nearly as many yards as the entire Falcons team. The Falcons were out rushed and out passed. Let's talk for a minute about the Eagles defense....

vikingjunior

01-24-2005, 12:00 PM

Made Philly punt a whole 3 times.... ATL hung around the first half, due mainly to 4 penalties on the Eagles, one of which whiped out an interception and I believe led to a field goal, and the other gave them a first down. But, ATL was dominated in the second half. Vick = -7 yards rishing? Comeon, Westbrook ran for nearly as many yards as the entire Falcons team. The Falcons were out rushed and out passed. Let's talk for a minute about the Eagles defense....

My point exactly, defenses win games.

LoDown3

01-24-2005, 12:29 PM

Correct stats don't lie.
They were ranked 14th in the league in total defense I won't exactly call that a good defense, Maybe average, check it out www.nfl.com.
Keep in mind that game yesterday was played in sub zero temps and very windy, a defenses dream.
I believe if they improve there defense they might have a shot next year, average defenses DONT win superbowls.
bottom line, i kno atl isnt great and i dont think they ever havebeen really great.
But this has been a great year, they played a much beter team and I'm just sayin 14th overall total defense is better than half the NFL so you cant say they have no D. Thats wat i was basically tryin to correct

they also stopped i think about 2 possible touchdowns from the eagles?
...not sure, but i thought they played well defensively. offense was all over the place :o

Rollin

01-24-2005, 04:24 PM

I agree...they're really ridiculous.
I think they could probly take on any NFL team ever. All they gotta do is scout em and Bill thinks up a great strategy. meanwhile, all their players can play like 8 positions and r so damn diverse, but overall u see that they play together as a good TEAM....
I reeeeaaallly dont like em, but u gotta give em props, they're too good.
(+ i hate philly, the fans here went nuts!...just to lose in Jacksonville :hee: )

Matter of fact I was watching either SportsCenter or NFL Today (I think it's called) and they were talking about the Pats possibly being the best team ever. They have all the tools. Coach knows football inside and out. Corey Dillon is a great back. Tom Brady acts as if he doesn't know there is supposed to be pressure in these games. Vineteri (sp.) is Mr. Clutch, the defense pulls though (holding Indy to 3 points??)... they have it all. I'm not a big fan of them either, but lets be real.

I would love to see Philly lose just because of T. Owens... he thinks it is all about him... when he scores a TD he seems to forget about the other 10 men on the field that helped him get into the end zone.

jonnythan

01-24-2005, 04:29 PM

I actually agree. I think the Patriots have a very good case for one of the best teams in history. I don't think the league has ever seen another team so consistently and methodically tear apart team after team, in so many different ways, as the Pats have the last few years. It's uncanny. They seem to be able to remove all the major strengths of any given team almost at will, no matter what they are.

c1971ace

01-24-2005, 06:39 PM

The New England Patriots.....The new standard of excellence in the NFL.....you can take that to the bank!!!

c1971ace

01-24-2005, 06:58 PM

Sadly, I agree.

that was a hell of a game against the colts huh????....trust me it was cold out there with the snow and all....but it was still fun though!!!!

Ted

01-24-2005, 07:17 PM

i hate to say it but the pats are the best i've ever seen.

vikingjunior

01-24-2005, 09:19 PM

Let's not forget the cowboys in the 80's the 49ers' in the 90's but yes the pats are right there.

jonnythan

01-24-2005, 09:22 PM

I think the Steelers in the 70s were better than either of those teams.. but all of them are probably so close it's hardly worth discussing.

mcurtiss1970

01-24-2005, 09:24 PM

I think the Steelers in the 70s were better than either of those teams.. but all of them are probably so close it's hardly worth discussing.
i think the current Pats would be able to handle any team of any era; but it's a good debate. the 70s Steel Curtain was IMO the best defense ever. not sure if their offense was as good though

jmthomas

01-25-2005, 08:00 AM

that was a hell of a game against the colts huh????....trust me it was cold out there with the snow and all....but it was still fun though!!!!

Sure, rub it in Ace. :evil: Peyton is notorious for choking in the playoffs. But the Colts have to decide next year, whether it's worth it to keep Edge, or get some more defensive players (saw an article in the paper about that a few days ago).

Rollin

01-25-2005, 10:30 AM

I don't know how they can not have Edge, or another premier running back. If they don't have a good running game, the passing game goes downhill as well.

Stewy

01-25-2005, 11:06 AM

I felt so bad, Bills post season record has that 1 huge scar... and it's my town's fault... The Cleveland Disease... Thank God for LeBron James...

Go NE

jmthomas

01-25-2005, 11:20 AM

I don't know how they can not have Edge, or another premier running back. If they don't have a good running game, the passing game goes downhill as well.

It's either pay out the wazoo for Edge, and have crap defense, or sell Edge, put in Rhodes, and get some defensive players.

Well, that was the jist of the article.

vikingjunior

01-25-2005, 02:29 PM

i think the current Pats would be able to handle any team of any era; but it's a good debate. the 70s Steel Curtain was IMO the best defense ever. not sure if their offense was as good though

Are you crazy these players now a days are babies, back in the 70's they were real athletics.

c1971ace

01-25-2005, 03:39 PM

vikingjunior

01-25-2005, 04:00 PM

Sure, rub it in Ace. :evil: Peyton is notorious for choking in the playoffs. But the Colts have to decide next year, whether it's worth it to keep Edge, or get some more defensive players (saw an article in the paper about that a few days ago).

Why do people keep saying peyton choked, peyton didn't choke the COLTS choked this is a team sport. He actually played well let's see 5 dropped passes, he didn't throw a interception he didn't fumble he didn't make any mental errors, he did sit on the bench alot thanks to his defense. The colts need to drop some of those overpaid WR and pick up some defense. I do give props to feeney he is a excellent pass rusher.

c1971ace

01-25-2005, 04:25 PM

Let's not forget the cowboys in the 80's the 49ers' in the 90's but yes the pats are right there.

actually wasnt it the 49ers in the 80's and the cowboys in the 90's??

On a side note..Bill Belichick is tied with Vince Lombardi for the best playoff record of all time...so when the Pats win in the Super Bowl does that make him the best coach of all time???Now that makes for a great debate....

arpy64

01-25-2005, 04:34 PM

actually wasnt it the 49ers in the 80's and the cowboys in the 90's??

On a side note..Bill Belichick is tied with Vince Lombardi for the best playoff record of all time...so when the Pats win in the Super Bowl does that make him the best coach of all time???Now that makes for a great debate....
You're right on the coyboys/49ers decades of success.
I do think if and when (and it is "when") Belichick wins his 3rd Super Bowl in 4 years, and considering the teams he has put together with no real bonafide "Superstar" like a Montana or Emmitt Smith, then he will have to be considered at least one of the top 3 coaches of all time (Lombardi, Paul Brown, Tom Landry, and Bill Walsh come to mind as a few of the greatest ever). If he wins 4 or more Super Bowls, then it's a no-doubter. Put the crown on him, because he will be the best ever.

jonnythan

01-25-2005, 04:39 PM

Are you crazy these players now a days are babies, back in the 70's they were real athletics.
I wonder what you'd get if you compared the average mass of the OL and DL of the 2004 Pats vs the 76 Steelers. Or the average height, mass, and 40 times of the defensive backs and wide receivers of the two teams.

I'm willing to bet that the 04 Pats are, according to the stats, bigger, stronger, and faster on average than the 76 Steelers.

I'd also like to see all of the starters from both teams stand in line for a team photo with their shirts off. I wonder which team will look more imposing.

mcurtiss1970

01-25-2005, 06:01 PM

Are you crazy these players now a days are babies, back in the 70's they were real athletics.
jerome bettis would roll jack lambert onto his backside. it's all about bigger and faster.

vikingjunior

01-25-2005, 10:15 PM

I wonder what you'd get if you compared the average mass of the OL and DL of the 2004 Pats vs the 76 Steelers. Or the average height, mass, and 40 times of the defensive backs and wide receivers of the two teams.

I'm willing to bet that the 04 Pats are, according to the stats, bigger, stronger, and faster on average than the 76 Steelers.

I'd also like to see all of the starters from both teams stand in line for a team photo with their shirts off. I wonder which team will look more imposing.

Can you say .... " STEROIDS".......

Barry bonds is not the only one.

vikingjunior

01-25-2005, 10:19 PM

jerome bettis would roll jack lambert onto his backside. it's all about bigger and faster.

Jerome bettis wouldn't roll anyone because he would probably be on the bench nursing a broken toenail.

LoDown3

01-26-2005, 09:25 AM

I wonder what you'd get if you compared the average mass of the OL and DL of the 2004 Pats vs the 76 Steelers. Or the average height, mass, and 40 times of the defensive backs and wide receivers of the two teams.

I'm willing to bet that the 04 Pats are, according to the stats, bigger, stronger, and faster on average than the 76 Steelers.

I'd also like to see all of the starters from both teams stand in line for a team photo with their shirts off. I wonder which team will look more imposing.
agreed...
And anyone can wave around the steroids flag, but obviously thats not always the case.
Compare any position and each player including the backups will probly have the upperhand anyways. Its just how things go, we get better with time.
I dont like the Pats, but kno they'll beat any1...