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I got the following from sprintpcsinfo.com:
Sanyo MM-5600: Everything You Ever Wanted To Know
Well, not really, but here are the final hardware specifications, straight from Sprint internal docs:
ARM 9 CPU
16-Bit, 240x320 Pixel QVGA Display
Qualcomm MSM6100 Chipset (Not EV-DO)
MIDP 2.0
NetFront 3.1
Qualcomm QTV 2.6.1
QCamcorder 1.4.2
QVM 3.3 (Java Virtual Machine)
Firmware OTA
Diagnostics OTA
Sprint this week gave the MM-5600 hardware basic internal approval, and has begun firmware testing.
Now view this link:http://www.cdmatech.com/solutions/products/msm6100_chipset_solution.jsp
It explains about the MSM6100 chipset.
KevinS281
12-08-2004, 07:00 PM
It will not have bluetooth. End of discussion.
Kevin
SL10
12-08-2004, 07:09 PM
It will not have bluetooth. End of discussion.
Kevin
That is what I remember reading from the internal document that Michelle pulled long ago. No bluetooth?
JoMamma
12-08-2004, 07:13 PM
From the description of the shipset, it will have luetooth, ot atleast be capale of it, and it could essentially be ev-do (or even ev-dv as mentioned) too.
"Data rates of up to 307 kbps"
"Simultaneous voice and data"
"The MSM6100 solution also features enhanced camera interfaces, MPEG-4 decoding/encoding, 2D/3D graphics acceleration, Bluetooth® wireless connectivity..."
DerRatte
12-08-2004, 07:22 PM
It says right on their website:
The MSM6100 solution also features enhanced camera interfaces, MPEG-4 decoding/encoding, 2D/3D graphics acceleration, Bluetooth® wireless connectivity, gpsOne® position location technologies, enhanced digital signal processor cores, dedicated hardware accelerators and new memory interfaces.
So it looks like it will have bluetooth. :D
dmkfl
12-08-2004, 07:44 PM
It will not have bluetooth. End of discussion.
Kevin
Are you 100% sure
ocman
12-08-2004, 08:29 PM
I don't know for sure if this particular phone will have BT or not, rumor is that it will not.
I will say that just because the chipset supports it does not mean a phone's firmware will implement it, it depends on the phone manufacturer and service providers they are working with.
JoMamma
12-08-2004, 08:34 PM
yes i understand that, im just pointing out that its bluetooth capable.. as far as hardware goes.
KevinS281
12-08-2004, 09:05 PM
No bluetooth.
Kevin
Spridell
12-08-2004, 09:06 PM
Most of the people that have the inside info have stated that the phone will not have bluetooth. It has the capacity in the chipset but it will not be enabled.
JoMamma
12-08-2004, 09:18 PM
kevin, we hear your opinion once, now, most likely it is not going to have bluetooth, but for those hopeful people, dont put the idea to rest. it is capable, therefore MAY (very slim chance) have it. but from the readings of the chipset, it may be ev-do.
tuolumne
12-08-2004, 09:19 PM
Why the hell is the 5600 being so anticipated...? I mean, T-Mobile has had a comparable device for months now...
dmkfl
12-08-2004, 09:19 PM
No bluetooth.
Kevin
y do you keep saying that with out any explanation.
dmkfl
12-08-2004, 09:23 PM
Why the hell is the 5600 being so anticipated...? I mean, T-Mobile has had a comparable device for months now...
Which one and how is it comparable?
JoMamma
12-08-2004, 09:25 PM
im guessing he means the sharp? but its not comparable... well to a point it is.. but not really.. 5600 has many more features.
oh, and its beng so anticipated because none of us (well ok like 3 are) here are on tmobile! hello, if your on att and a new phone os coming out, youd be anticipating it, even though tmo for instance already has a semi or even fully comparable phone. i would never switch carries for a phone.. thats crazy.
vikingjunior
12-08-2004, 09:30 PM
There will be no Bluetooth with this phone...Stop wasting bandwidth for these stupid posts.
Define Stupid.
JoMamma
12-08-2004, 09:31 PM
so my posts are stupid. thanks, and that says alot about your maturity. do you know im only 14? and your an adult? thats pretty sad.
Touchless21
12-08-2004, 09:43 PM
Guys, who really cares about BT? If the phone has it, it will have it, if it doesn't it won't. Even if it does ain't anybody going to use it that much, it'll just be something to brag about if the phone has it or something to complain about if the phone doesn't have it. Just wait till the phone comes out.
KevinS281
12-08-2004, 09:44 PM
Because I looked at the marketing brief before I left work today ... the thing that shows all the specs on the phones ... pictures of it, battery life, the dimensions of the box it comes in, etc. ...
Kevin
dmkfl
12-08-2004, 09:49 PM
so my posts are stupid. thanks, and that says alot about your maturity. do you know im only 14? and your an adult? thats pretty sad.
Right on the money :hee:
Touchless21
12-08-2004, 09:50 PM
Right on the money :hee:
LOLLLL :hee:
SL10
12-08-2004, 09:53 PM
Because I looked at the marketing brief before I left work today ... the thing that shows all the specs on the phones ... pictures of it, battery life, the dimensions of the box it comes in, etc. ...
Kevin
Not only that but 1 other forum member that works for SPCS stated it had no bluetooth in it, Cruniz300.
JoMamma
12-08-2004, 09:55 PM
Just out of curiosity, why the hell would you want to knoe the demsions of the box? What does THAT do for you? "Oh, now i can store my box in that little space left i have in my drawer!"
edit: oh and im not trying to contradict you by saying it WILL have bluetooth, because like i said once before, its a very slim to none chance it will, but it IS possible. atleast according to the chipset details.
SL10
12-08-2004, 09:56 PM
so my posts are stupid. thanks, and that says alot about your maturity. do you know im only 14? and your an adult? thats pretty sad.
14? Ain't it past your bedtime then? :huh:
JoMamma
12-08-2004, 09:57 PM
14? Ain't it past your bedtime then? :huh:
first of all, i dont really have a bed time, i just cant go to bed too late as i need to wake up for school, and seond, its only 9 o clock.
SL10
12-08-2004, 09:59 PM
Define Stupid.
Stupid=stating a question over and over when an answer is given? :hee:
SL10
12-08-2004, 10:03 PM
first of all, i dont really have a bed time, i just cant go to bed too late as i need to wake up for school, and seond, its only 9 o clock.
You are lucky when I was 14 I had to be in bed at 8 pm every nite to wake up for school.
SL10
12-08-2004, 10:08 PM
Guys, who really cares about BT? If the phone has it, it will have it, if it doesn't it won't. Even if it does ain't anybody going to use it that much, it'll just be something to brag about if the phone has it or something to complain about if the phone doesn't have it. Just wait till the phone comes out.
Some people can't wait is the problem. Speculation runs wild around here, I guess?
MacQix
12-08-2004, 10:20 PM
I switched to sprint this last summer. In the process I gave up my Bluetooth phone, and thus some devices that I had purchased to use with that technology. I had hoped that SPCS would have some phones with Bluetooth in the near future. It would seem that not only am I wrong, but every phone they get that is able to have it, they nerf the option.
Why? What logical reason would they have for doing this? Is it because they don't keep track of the data useage, or because they don't think people want it? I would stongly disagree with both. They have the technology to keep track of this, and PEOPLE WANT IT.
Come on folks, it's time we spoke up. Let Sprint know what we as the consumer of their product want. If they aren't willing to fork it over, then vote with your money. Move to another carrier.
-Qix
SL10
12-08-2004, 10:37 PM
I switched to sprint this last summer. In the process I gave up my Bluetooth phone, and thus some devices that I had purchased to use with that technology. I had hoped that SPCS would have some phones with Bluetooth in the near future. It would seem that not only am I wrong, but every phone they get that is able to have it, they nerf the option.
Why? What logical reason would they have for doing this? Is it because they don't keep track of the data useage, or because they don't think people want it? I would stongly disagree with both. They have the technology to keep track of this, and PEOPLE WANT IT.
Come on folks, it's time we spoke up. Let Sprint know what we as the consumer of their product want. If they aren't willing to fork it over, then vote with your money. Move to another carrier.
-Qix
Not every1 needs bluetoof technology unless you own a car with BT, maybe? I see many ppl. my age (45 btw) that just want a basic no frills phone. It seems only tech junkies need BT phones?
MacQix
12-08-2004, 10:53 PM
Not every1 needs bluetoof technology unless you own a car with BT, maybe? I see many ppl. my age (45 btw) that just want a basic no frills phone. It seems only tech junkies need BT phones?
Although I agree that not everyone needs BT, for those who want it they shouldn't nerf the technology out of it. I find that the "dumbing down" of a product for the masses is rediculous. What point does it have? If the extra features are there some would actually learn to use it, and others who didn't need / want it wouldn't use it...
I am going to give SPRINT another 4 or 5 months, then I can justify a switch back to T-Mobile, or Cingular where I can get not only a phone with BT but a phone that will work in Europe. I'll pay the Termination fee, so SPCS will get my money, but at the same time, they will be loosing potential income from me that they could have had for YEARS to come.
Hey sprint: Stop looking at the short term gains, and take care of your existing customers. While I know that they will always be around in one form or another, what's $150 (Early term fee) vs. $85 a month for x number of years??
-Qix
SL10
12-08-2004, 11:30 PM
Although I agree that not everyone needs BT, for those who want it they shouldn't nerf the technology out of it. I find that the "dumbing down" of a product for the masses is rediculous. What point does it have? If the extra features are there some would actually learn to use it, and others who didn't need / want it wouldn't use it...
I'm going to give SPRINT another 4 or 5 months, then I can justify a switch back to T-Mobile, or Cingular where I can get not only a phone with BT but a phone that will work in Europe. I'll pay the Termination fee, so SPCS will get my money, but at the same time, they will be loosing potential income from me that they could have had for YEARS to come.
Hey sprint: Stop looking at the short term gains, and take care of your existing customers. While I know that they'll always be around in one form or another, what's $150 (Early term fee) vs. $85 a month for x number of years??
-Qix
Well, get the ETF ready. Cuz SPCS isn't going to be your cup of tea then.
KevinS281
12-09-2004, 11:49 AM
Just to add more fuel to the fire ... the Samsumg A700 uses the same chipset ... oh and it doesn't have bluetooth either ...
Kevin
SL10
12-09-2004, 12:04 PM
Just to add more fuel to the fire ... the Samsumg A700 uses the same chipset ... oh and it doesn't have bluetooth either ...
Kevin
That is true. But SPCS could enable at least one Sanyo or Samsung to be BT active. At least to make some folks happy.
mcurtiss1970
12-09-2004, 12:10 PM
That is true. But SPCS could enable at least one Sanyo or Samsung to be BT active. At least to make some folks happy.
Sprint enable? Sprint doesn't build phones...you know that. either samsung and sanyo don't make CDMA BT phones (which they likely do in Japan and mainland Asia), or sprint doesn't care either way.
SL10
12-09-2004, 12:18 PM
Sprint enable? Sprint doesn't build phones...you know that. either samsung and sanyo don't make CDMA BT phones (which they likely do in Japan and mainland Asia), or sprint doesn't care either way.
And you know my post didn't mention SPCS manufactoring phones. My post intention was for SPCS to allow Sanyo and or Samsung to release at least one model with BT active in it to plez the masses.
mcurtiss1970
12-09-2004, 12:23 PM
And you know my post didn't mention SPCS manufactoring phones. My post intention was for SPCS to allow Sanyo and or Samsung to release at least one model with BT active in it to plez the masses.
and my contention is that either Samsung or Sanyo don't do BT on CDMA phones, or Sprint doesn't care either way. I highly doubt it's Sprint not allowing either of those two companies to produce a BT phone. i'm sure tuolumne will find me some website with a CDMA samsung that has BT, but i've never seen one.
on a side note, I can only imagine what Sprint would charge for a BT enabled 4500-type phone.
lgmayka
12-09-2004, 05:06 PM
From the description of the shipset, it will have luetooth, ot atleast be capale of it, and it could essentially be ev-do (or even ev-dv as mentioned) too.
"Data rates of up to 307 kbps"
"Simultaneous voice and data"
These two capabilities are not EV-DO and EV-DV. Rather, they are both characteristic of the ill-fated 1xRTT Release A that Sprint foolishly and maddeningly decided to skip.
tuolumne
12-09-2004, 06:51 PM
and my contention is that either Samsung or Sanyo don't do BT on CDMA phones, or Sprint doesn't care either way. I highly doubt it's Sprint not allowing either of those two companies to produce a BT phone. i'm sure tuolumne will find me some website with a CDMA samsung that has BT, but i've never seen one.
on a side note, I can only imagine what Sprint would charge for a BT enabled 4500-type phone.
Yup...
The upcomming i640, i730 and i550 will all include Blue Tooth...
Samsung is looking to go with the next best thing, wifi, to replace Blue Tooth next year
mcurtiss1970
12-09-2004, 06:53 PM
Yup...
The upcomming i640, i730 and i550 will all include Blue Tooth...
Samsung is looking to go with the next best thing, wifi, to replace Blue Tooth next year
but nothing currently right?
i'd be curious on who adopts the wifi standard so early when BT is already pretty dominant
tuolumne
12-09-2004, 06:58 PM
but nothing currently right?
i'd be curious on who adopts the wifi standard so early when BT is already pretty dominant
I am sure that there are some CDMA devices in Asia with BT, but I don't want to look them up...
Samsung will be deploying a wifi device on Sprint next year
Jaggrey
12-09-2004, 08:03 PM
Yup...
The upcomming i640, i730 and i550 will all include Blue Tooth...
Samsung is looking to go with the next best thing, wifi, to replace Blue Tooth next year
The Samsung i550 does not include bluetooth.
Jaggrey
12-09-2004, 08:10 PM
These two capabilities are not EV-DO and EV-DV. Rather, they are both characteristic of the ill-fated 1xRTT Release A that Sprint foolishly and maddeningly decided to skip.
What makes the decision so foolish and maddening? Sprint said so themselves that they didn't feel a need to implement that technology because the existing network (data side) wasn't even being utilized to it's full potential because of the phones.
At first I thought they were crazy too, but what they said 1st became apparent when I had the Treo 600 and I saw how fast the web was on there. Even on their newer MM phones, it shows that the current network is capable of streaming video and audio. What do we need faster speeds for if what we already have isn't even being completely utilized?
My pennies...
lgmayka
12-10-2004, 12:55 AM
What makes the decision so foolish and maddening? Sprint said so themselves that they didn't feel a need to implement that technology because the existing network (data side) wasn't even being utilized to it's full potential because of the phones.
Sprint's explanation is of course nonsensical, for three reasons:
1) The fact that Sprint is rolling out EV-DO illustrates conclusively that Sprint indeed believes there is a market for speeds faster than the pokey 1xRTT Rel 0 that we have today.
2) The fact that Sprint periodically makes reckless threats against those who use their phones as modems, and specifically claims that modem-style users are hogging bandwidth and crowding out everyone else, demonstrates that their data service is near capacity. Unless, of course, Sprint is willing to concede that its attempts to curb modem-style usage are merely a clumsy marketing ploy to encourage customers to buy PC cards instead and subscribe to overpriced data-only plans.
3) Even totally ignoring the increased data speed of 1xRTT Rel A, its ability to handle voice and data simultaneously makes its deployment well worthwhile. It is simply absurd that if I am waiting for an important call, I cannot safely check my email while waiting, for fear of missing the voice call during a data transfer.
I stand by my contention that Sprint's unwillingness to deploy 1xRTT Rel A was foolish and maddening.
rochfo
12-10-2004, 01:38 AM
What makes the decision so foolish and maddening? Sprint said so themselves that they didn't feel a need to implement that technology because the existing network (data side) wasn't even being utilized to it's full potential because of the phones.
At first I thought they were crazy too, but what they said 1st became apparent when I had the Treo 600 and I saw how fast the web was on there. Even on their newer MM phones, it shows that the current network is capable of streaming video and audio. What do we need faster speeds for if what we already have isn't even being completely utilized?
My pennies...
Don't argue with him...he's always right. :hee:
aitech
12-10-2004, 01:43 AM
BT on a Sprint phone? :hee: That's funny. I will prolly be in shock the day it happens...
When the rest of the world has neural-network, fusion battery phones, then MAYBE we in the US can expect too see BT... :)
rochfo
12-10-2004, 01:44 AM
The Samsung i550 does not include bluetooth.
Here's hoping they allow SDIO implementation for both Bluetooth/WiFi. I'll believe it when I see it, although I'm beginning to lose faith that this phone will even see the light of day.
rochfo
12-10-2004, 01:46 AM
BT on a Sprint phone? :hee: That's funny. I will prolly be in shock the day it happens...
When the rest of the world has neural-network, fusion battery phones, then MAYBE we in the US can expect too see BT... :)
1. ...so the EV-DO transisiton is merely a patch to get to where they want to be and have wanted to be from the start, EV-DV...
2. ...Same goes for data usage, why allow you unlimited access to jam the network when they state that you have to switch to a data plan specifically designed for the use you covet.
3. That's what they developed voicemail for. :eyeroll: Your call isn't that important...and the person calling you will leave you a message if it turns out to be as such. The truth of the matter is that when you called them you probably had to leave a message too.
1) So we agree that Sprint's contention (in skipping 1xRTT relA) that there was no market for faster speeds was false.
2) So we agree that Sprint's contention (in skipping 1xRTT relA) that its data network was underutilized anyway was also false.
3) Anyone who believes that voicemail is an acceptable substitute for an important voice call has apparently never dealt with frightened children, frantic parents, suspicious boy/girl-friends, busy doctors and other professionals, impatient clients, etc. I am frankly amazed that anyone would even make such a claim.
Add to that the fact that Sprint's voicemail notification is sometimes delayed by minutes or hours. :eyeroll:
lgmayka
12-11-2004, 05:53 AM
1. ...business is what drives most data traffic, not consumers such as yourself...
2. ...Release A does NOTHING for data speed, only simultaneous operation of both voice and data.
3. ...Imagine the 1970's...the 60's...the 50's...
The purpose of my post was to address Jaggrey's contentions. I'll repeat them from his post:
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"Sprint said so themselves that they didn't feel a need to implement that technology because the existing network (data side) wasn't even being utilized to it's full potential because of the phones.
"At first I thought they were crazy too, but what they said 1st became apparent when I had the Treo 600 and I saw how fast the web was on there. Even on their newer MM phones, it shows that the current network is capable of streaming video and audio. What do we need faster speeds for if what we already have isn't even being completely utilized?"
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1) I think we agree that business had, and still has, a great interest in data speeds beyond the 144 or 153 kb/s of 1xRTT rel 0.
2) 1xRTT rel A increases data speed to 288 or 307 kb/s. Though "only" a doubling of speed, many customers consider this the difference between "higher dialup" and "lower broadband." That is, the customer-perceived difference is quite significant.
3) I can imagine life without indoor plumbing or automobiles too, but I have no desire to live that way. A cellular carrier that tells its customers, "Our service is good enough for the 1950s," may have trouble keeping its subscriber base.
jh101_7
12-11-2004, 09:28 AM
You are quite the fool...
3. Yes, voicemail was developed merely for being able to return calls to those "important" callers who missed you. That's it, nothing more. Imagine a world without answering machines, voicemail...hell...cellphones. Imagine the 1970's...the 60's...the 50's. There may have been answering machines but, how many people had them? Not many. What about the days when you had to hit the bank, not the ATM, the teller at the bank on Friday afternoon otherwise you had no cash for the weekend...we survived. Think about how worried those frightened children, frantic parents, suspicious boy/girl-friends, busy doctors and other professionals, impatient clients would have been back then...oh yeah, they dealt with it.
Yes but the world in much much different today than it was in the 70's...the 60's...or even the 50's.
lgmayka
12-11-2004, 04:25 PM
GPRS, as a technology, supports the presentation of an incoming call even during a data transfer--the data transfer is supposed to be smoothly suspended for the duration of the call, then resumed afterward. The GPRS carriers of multiple countries, from Zambia and Serbia to the Czech Republic and the UK, assure their customers that they will never miss an incoming call due to an ongoing data transmission. Oddly enough, however, American GPRS customers testify that their carriers do not implement this capability--in other words, they miss incoming calls during data transfers just as CDMA customers do. I have found no good explanation why.
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