ppc 6600 vs. Treo 650

[dog352]

I just ordered the ppc 6600 from Business Telesales. I added it as an extra line so I can get a rebate. Hopefully, I can just cancel one of my other lines in the future so I don't have to pay too much extra. Anyhow, I hope I'm making the right choice. The one thing that gets me about this phone is that the screen is not high resolution, like the screen on the the Treo 650. It's hard to decide between the two because the Treo 650 is much more sleek and has a much better screen. Oh well, I'm patiently waiting for my ppc 6600 now.

[Fabulas]

All pocket pcs have high resolution screens! ;)

[dprout69]

I just ordered the ppc 6600 from Business Telesales. I added it as an extra line so I can get a rebate. Hopefully, I can just cancel one of my other lines in the future so I don't have to pay too much extra. Anyhow, I hope I'm making the right choice. The one thing that gets me about this phone is that the screen is not high resolution, like the screen on the the Treo 650. It's hard to decide between the two because the Treo 650 is much more sleek and has a much better screen. Oh well, I'm patiently waiting for my ppc 6600 now.
I think you mean your 6601 otherwise I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn

[jeffhas]

I just ordered the ppc 6600 from Business Telesales. I added it as an extra line so I can get a rebate. Hopefully, I can just cancel one of my other lines in the future so I don't have to pay too much extra. Anyhow, I hope I'm making the right choice. The one thing that gets me about this phone is that the screen is not high resolution, like the screen on the the Treo 650. It's hard to decide between the two because the Treo 650 is much more sleek and has a much better screen. Oh well, I'm patiently waiting for my ppc 6600 now.


Hey Dog...

Did you actually orde the 6600?...or the 6601? (Cameraless version).

I thought Sprint didn't have 6600 yet?

[dprout69]

Hey Dog...

Did you actually orde the 6600?...or the 6601? (Cameraless version).

I thought Sprint didn't have 6600 yet?

they dont - its coming mid december

[Tekara]

I just ordered the ppc 6600 from Business Telesales. I added it as an extra line so I can get a rebate. Hopefully, I can just cancel one of my other lines in the future so I don't have to pay too much extra. Anyhow, I hope I'm making the right choice. The one thing that gets me about this phone is that the screen is not high resolution, like the screen on the the Treo 650. It's hard to decide between the two because the Treo 650 is much more sleek and has a much better screen. Oh well, I'm patiently waiting for my ppc 6600 now.

Which one has the better screen is debatable. The 650 has a 320x320 square screen while the 660x has a 320x240 rectangular screen. the 660x has the physically larger screen. While the 650 has the higher dpi.

Movies will come out better on the rectangular screen than they will on the square screen. The rectangular screen won't need the black bars for 4:3 content (which most stuff is).

[xyberviri]

I have the ppc my wife has the treo

The ppc can not access vision home or a content manager like the treo can.

The treo has a better camera quality.

while the ppc has a better picture quality for things like movie playback

the ppc has a physically larger screen but the treo has better resolution. for pictures.

visually if you stick a SD card in either one you can view the picture up to at least 5 mega pix, i told my wife and she took the sd card out of the camera. so i have yet been able to play with it much.

the ppc is on windows mobile edition 2003 SE and has 128 MB of ram which is the most any sprint phone has.

the treo froze, ended up in a boot loop when hooking up the data/sync cable to my pc.

the ppc had no issues with active sync but when i installed Pocket earth it lost the aiblity to display owner information.

the treo is harder to ***ge up and harder to fix when you do,

the ppc is well windows and thats not that hard to break.

The Treo has better reception in the same location as the PPC.

Theres a long line of applications for the palm os.

Theres a long line of beta applications for the Windows Moblie edition, and a good number of alpha.(some work some dont some break your ppc)

I would say a PPC is like a PC with the same respects and down sides.
And a Treo is like a PMac with the same respects and down sides.

im glade i got my wife a palm os phone since she wont break it as often as i break my phone.

while some times i wish i had hers and she wishes she had mine.

The one feature i like is with a program called Beta player i can watch Divx movies on my ppc with the large screen, you can turn for left or right handed so its more like a small screen tv, and with a SD card of 2gb you can put at least 2-8 hours of Divx files on one card for when your on the go.


PPC = PC Treo = mac
nuff said.



ps. im not dissing mac, just basically they do what they do and only what they do but do it well. but a pc has every option avalible and is just as easy to break.

Edit: the screen on a ppc can be 320x240 or 240x320 full screen on all play back software goes to 320w by 240t

[Fabulas]

Thanks for a good unbiased review. :)

[josg21]

I have the ppc my wife has the treo

The ppc can not access vision home or a content manager like the treo can.

The treo has a better camera quality.

while the ppc has a better picture quality for things like movie playback

the ppc has a physically larger screen but the treo has better resolution. for pictures.

visually if you stick a SD card in either one you can view the picture up to at least 5 mega pix, i told my wife and she took the sd card out of the camera. so i have yet been able to play with it much.

the ppc is on windows mobile edition 2003 SE and has 128 MB of ram which is the most any sprint phone has.

the treo froze, ended up in a boot loop when hooking up the data/sync cable to my pc.

the ppc had no issues with active sync but when i installed Pocket earth it lost the aiblity to display owner information.

the treo is harder to ***ge up and harder to fix when you do,

the ppc is well windows and thats not that hard to break.

The Treo has better reception in the same location as the PPC.

Theres a long line of applications for the palm os.

Theres a long line of beta applications for the Windows Moblie edition, and a good number of alpha.(some work some dont some break your ppc)

I would say a PPC is like a PC with the same respects and down sides.
And a Treo is like a PMac with the same respects and down sides.

im glade i got my wife a palm os phone since she wont break it as often as i break my phone.

while some times i wish i had hers and she wishes she had mine.

The one feature i like is with a program called Beta player i can watch Divx movies on my ppc with the large screen, you can turn for left or right handed so its more like a small screen tv, and with a SD card of 2gb you can put at least 2-8 hours of Divx files on one card for when your on the go.


PPC = PC Treo = mac
nuff said.



ps. im not dissing mac, just basically they do what they do and only what they do but do it well. but a pc has every option avalible and is just as easy to break.

Edit: the screen on a ppc can be 320x240 or 240x320 full screen on all play back software goes to 320w by 240t

What did you mean by saying then ppc can not access vision home or a content manager?

I have been trying to decide which to get for over a month now. The main things that are important to me is email (i want to be able to access my outlook at work) listening to MP3, watching movies, and flexibility in installing apps (i.e. many different typs). I know palm has more aps to choose from. But i really like my windows. its just so hard........

[eman]

What did you mean by saying then ppc can not access vision home or a content manager?

The ppc6600 uses pocket internet explorer. It is not a wap browser. It is a real browser like your pc. It is like going on the internet from a PC. It is the real deal. You can purchase a wap browser if you want. I have not found a need for it though. Why would you need vision home page when you can visit the actual websites.

[centauress]

Well, the 6600 can visit WAPs, but the cookie it exchanges with Vision Home causes a 'not found' error. and if you can't visit that page, you can't acces the Content Manager.

Frankly, I find it less of a loss with that than others do. Adding wallpapers and ringtones is a lot easier when you can find things that you like and just put them on from your own computer. And, as for programs, the PPC has a more useful selection than a simple phone. Alright, you can't play JAMDAT Bowling, but is it that much of a loss?

[asanchez74]

Awesome review xyberviri, I am practically sold on the treo 650. Can you, or anyone, tell us if there is a beta player for the treo 650?

[sheureka]

I don't get the preference for the Treo over the 6600 - particularly now with it being fairly certain that the 6600 will have a software upgrade so that it will be able to use EVDO. If games are your concern, go to pocketgear.com and look at all the games available for the PPC. And if you're into movies and have Tivo, you can watch anything you've Tivo'd on the PPC using WMP - you'll never be able to do that on the Palm. It's also much faster than the Treo and has lots more memory so everything runs more easily. I guess I just don't get it. - sheureka

[Calvin&Hobbes]

If you are trying to decide between the treo and the PPC-6600, here is a post I posted on another similar thread:

The both have pros and cons....a lot of them greatly depend on your needs, wants, likes, and perspective. Bottom Line is that if you know what you want and have done your research to what each one has to offer or not to meet those needs, then you are going to be happy.

For myself, I was a Treo 600 lover for over 10 months...and truelly did love my Treo. I have now been a PPC-6601 & 6600 owner for nearly 8 months now. For my personal needs, there is no doubt that the 6600 was the best choice for me. The reasons I really like the 6600 over the 650:

Large Screen. After living with the ability to view landscape while browsing the web or reading a spreadsheet, I would have a hard time going back to a smaller square screen.
Large amounts of Memory. I love to be able to install whatever program I want to in memory and not fear for running out of room.
Being able to install any program in Memory or on SD card without 3rd party software solutions. With Palm several programs are forced to loaded into main memory taking up valuable real estate that you would have rather installed on an SD card if given the choice.
Wealth of software included out of the box
BT works great out of the box

Reasons I like the 650 over the 6600:

Number one is form factor. I do not find the 6600 to be too big for me, but the form factor of the Treo is smaller and has the keyboard always exposed (but you do give up a bigger screen for this).
Palm OS. This is a pro or con depending on your current 3rd party software you own or if you like Palm over PPC or not
Good development community. Palm has a strong software development community which is often help to help resolve bugs or specialized utilities.

Bottom line.....6600 wins hands down for me in helping to meet the specialized demands of my job.

But please do not take my word for it because they are both good phones, so please take the time to see which one is right for you....you will thank yourself for the little extra time before laying down your credit card....

Here are several reviews / threads over at TreoCentral ( the Treo site on te net) that I posted as a Treo Lover who just bought a PPC-660x. There are a lot of responses from both sides as well. Please note that many of the comments for cons for both phones are prior to the last updates that fixed a vast amount of these issues for both phones:

Using 6601 On the Road for Week.....
http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=62661

Review of the PPC-6600
http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=73957

Innocent 650 vs 6601 Business Trip Showdown
http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=66714

Here are some threads talking about 650 vs 6600 at PDAphoneHome ( the 6600 site on the net):

PPC6601 or Treo650
http://www.pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=339118&highlight=650#post339118

PPC-6600 worth it?
http://www.pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=309106&highlight=650#post309106

PPC6601 vs Treo650
http://www.pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=288713&highlight=650#post288713

If you have some common questions about the 6600 that you want to check out prior to making your decision (like software available, FAQs, what accessories are available, etc..) then browse through the links posted in this thread:

Must Read Threads for PPC-6600 Newbies!!!!! (and anyone else who wants to be in the know!)
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48609

PPC-6600 / PPC-6601 / XV6600
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=168

If you want to see all the latest with the Treo 650 then browse through here:

Treo 650 Hardware
http://discussion.treocentral.com/forumdisplay.php?f=70

This should give you at least 50 pages for your reading pleasure that will probably give more information than you bargained for when you asked the question! :p:

[Khaymer]

I don't get the preference for the Treo over the 6600 - particularly now with it being fairly certain that the 6600 will have a software upgrade so that it will be able to use EVDO. If games are your concern, go to pocketgear.com and look at all the games available for the PPC. And if you're into movies and have Tivo, you can watch anything you've Tivo'd on the PPC using WMP - you'll never be able to do that on the Palm. It's also much faster than the Treo and has lots more memory so everything runs more easily. I guess I just don't get it. - sheureka


This discussion will mostl likely be moved off this thread but I am curious abouthte satement of being able to watch Tivo'd items on the PPC. can you provide some insight on that or a direction to go to find information?

I personally am getting the PPC-6600 tomorrow and am upgrading from an SCP-8801 so I am looking forward to the funtionality change. I have demo'd boththe treo 650 and the PPC 6600 and found the 6600 to be more what I am looking for. I will have some more input after a few days. I am eager to get my new phone.

[FloorMatt]

Tivo To Go: http://www.tivo.com/1.2.14.asp

[sheureka]

This discussion will mostl likely be moved off this thread but I am curious abouthte satement of being able to watch Tivo'd items on the PPC. can you provide some insight on that or a direction to go to find information?You need Tivo Desktop 2.1 and WMP10 (desktop) to make this work but this is all you have to do then.

1. Transfer the Tivo file to your computer.
2. Add the Tivo file to the library in WMP (I just add my whole Tivo folder whenever I transfer new programs).
3. Either cradle your PPC or insert a card reader in your computer (you should see "Sync List" on the far right hand column now).
4. Drag the files you want to add to the sync list.
5. Click on the sync tab and you should see the program you added in the left column and your device in the right column.
6. Click "Start Sync" - mine usually then says it may not have enough room on the device, but the only time that was really true was when I experimenting to see how much I could squeeze into a 256MB card.
7. The program shows the progress, both with the sync (actually decoding) and copying to the card and/or device.
8. The process generally seems faster than real time and more than one program can be set up at a time. The syncing and copying is done program by program, so if there is not enough space for all of the programs on the card only the last one will fail.

If you need more information feel free to pm me. - sheureka

[HiTEC]

You could also convert the video format to DiVX or MPEG4 and watch it on the Treo650 too. I have 4 DVD's worth of movies on my SD card in my Treo right now and use the free TCPMP player to watch my DiVX movies.

[eman]

This discussion will mostl likely be moved off this thread but I am curious abouthte satement of being able to watch Tivo'd items on the PPC. can you provide some insight on that or a direction to go to find information?

I personally am getting the PPC-6600 tomorrow and am upgrading from an SCP-8801 so I am looking forward to the funtionality change. I have demo'd boththe treo 650 and the PPC 6600 and found the 6600 to be more what I am looking for. I will have some more input after a few days. I am eager to get my new phone.
Screw Tivo......If you have a tv tuner card hooked up to your cpu you can stream any cable channel to your ppc live and for free!

[centauress]

WMP 10 is able to link with the newer TIVO units and rip the programs to your PPC. Then you watch from your handheld...

[sheureka]

Screw Tivo......If you have a tv tuner card hooked up to your cpu you can stream any cable channel to your ppc live and for free!Not on planes or hospitals (which is where I always end up watching my Tivo'd movies) - sheureka

[bjork_rules]

I have the ppc my wife has the treo

The ppc can not access vision home or a content manager like the treo can.

The treo has a better camera quality.

while the ppc has a better picture quality for things like movie playback

the ppc has a physically larger screen but the treo has better resolution. for pictures.

visually if you stick a SD card in either one you can view the picture up to at least 5 mega pix, i told my wife and she took the sd card out of the camera. so i have yet been able to play with it much.

the ppc is on windows mobile edition 2003 SE and has 128 MB of ram which is the most any sprint phone has.

the treo froze, ended up in a boot loop when hooking up the data/sync cable to my pc.

the ppc had no issues with active sync but when i installed Pocket earth it lost the aiblity to display owner information.

the treo is harder to ***ge up and harder to fix when you do,

the ppc is well windows and thats not that hard to break.

The Treo has better reception in the same location as the PPC.

Theres a long line of applications for the palm os.

Theres a long line of beta applications for the Windows Moblie edition, and a good number of alpha.(some work some dont some break your ppc)

I would say a PPC is like a PC with the same respects and down sides.
And a Treo is like a PMac with the same respects and down sides.

im glade i got my wife a palm os phone since she wont break it as often as i break my phone.

while some times i wish i had hers and she wishes she had mine.

The one feature i like is with a program called Beta player i can watch Divx movies on my ppc with the large screen, you can turn for left or right handed so its more like a small screen tv, and with a SD card of 2gb you can put at least 2-8 hours of Divx files on one card for when your on the go.


PPC = PC Treo = mac
nuff said.



ps. im not dissing mac, just basically they do what they do and only what they do but do it well. but a pc has every option avalible and is just as easy to break.

Edit: the screen on a ppc can be 320x240 or 240x320 full screen on all play back software goes to 320w by 240t
Good information. Also remember that the Treo has about TWICE the battery life of the PPC.

[Calvin&Hobbes]

Good information. Also remember that the Treo has about TWICE the battery life of the PPC. Twice the battery life would an exaggeration. Of course if you had your 6600 constantly looking for beam, BT, WIFI, 3 different email accounts checked every 4 minutes, screen on the brightest setting, and talked for 2 ½ hours straight.....then yes I would agree. :rolleyes:

Certainly the 650 does have better battery life, but the 6600 can easily make it through the average person's day. I am more of a power user, so I am constantly doing data transfer, checking my email every 15 minutes, have BT running most of the time, and talk a fair amount. I can easily make it to 4 or 5 pm without any top off.

The cool thing about the 6600, is it is the fastest charging PDA phone I have ever had. I have found that even a quick top with the car charger while running to get lunch is often times the only extra juice I need.

But since my job depends on my staying on contact, I have taken all the same precautions that I took when I had my Treo:

I have a spare battery
I have a car charger
I keep a wall charger at work or at my hotel when on the road.
I have a AA battery pack as a backup in extreme situations

It is all about knowing your usage habits and your phone. With very little planning, I have never had a single issue with battery life with either the Treo or the 6600.

[Master of Troy]

I have owned both. The 6600 first. It kept resetting on me. Probably a software issure. When it resets "hard", you loose everything; apps, data, everything.

I now own a 650. It uses flash rom to store all apps, data. I still get a few resets (software), however, with the treo, no data loss at all for me. :cool:

That single difference has saved me more than once out in the field.

[Calvin&Hobbes]

I am not sure if you were aware when you owned the PPC-6600, but it has 64 mb of Flash Rom. I very rarely have resets, and when I do it is mostly some 3rd party game or something.

But with so much internal store that can survive any hard reset, I find it very comforting while on the road. What I do is keep my must have work docs, spreadsheets, etc... there. I also installed Sprite (backup software) there with a full nightly backup on my SD card. So if I have to hard reset, as soon as it comes back on factory fresh, I already have all my work docs there. Then with 3 clicks I am fully restored to where I was the night before, no matter where I am. Like you this was a major factor that drew me in, but towards the PPC-6600 instead of the 650 due to the larger amounts of Flash ROM available.

[Master of Troy]

[QUOTE=Calvin&Hobbes]I am not sure if you were aware when you owned the PPC-6600, but it has 64 mb of Flash Rom. I very rarely have resets, and when I do it is mostly some 3rd party game or something.

I missed that. How do you store apps in the flash rom by itself? Everytime I had a "hard reset" I lost all apps, data, everything. Sure I would resync and my data was back, but I would have to spend quite abit of time reloading all the apps.

With the Treo 650, if I do a clean restart, when I sync, all apps and data are returned. Don't get me wrong, I loved the 6600. After the 3rd and final hard reset in that devices career, I was so frustrated and sick of it, I moved to the Treo.

Like I said, I must of missed it. My resets were disasters. Reading your post and seeing how you handle the resets makes sense. I think I will investigate your backup procedure for the Treo. I think there is software for palm that does that. Makes me want to try the 6600 again!

Troy

[Crouton]

What apps are you guys installing that you're getting hard resets? My 6600 hasn't had a hard reset since I bought it in February. While I do periodic backups to be safe, I've never needed to restore from one.

[Master of Troy]

How does one determine which app is causing the reset? I suspected Adobe Reader. The last "hard reset" (lost everything) was when I went to use the phone to call me wife. It started to dial and then poof, screen goes black, it comes back with the opening procedure to calibrate the screen with the stylus. My fears were verified, all data was gone. It was as if the device was just taken out of the box.

Than happened a total of 3 times with various software installed to try and find the answer. I didn't have anyway of a restore thru a card at the time. (My fault?) Perhaps, but it shouldn't do that. Matter of fact, I took the 1st device back, exchanged for another. The second one was doing great until about 30 days into it. It had the same software installed. No games, just a database, pdf reader, and my contacts and calendars. If the 6600 was a better experience for me, I would still have it.

My experience being a former palm owner, guided me to the Treo 650. As stated previously, if it resets, I loose nothing. No restore solution needed. That's just the experience I have had.

[bcoutlander]

Well, I have been using the 6600 for a couple of days now and I have to say that am impressed by PPC phone edition. The reason I have a 6600 is that my 650 started acting up(vision and email not working properly) and the tech on the phone suggested a 6600. So I am giving it a try. Phone wise it is not as good as my 650 but I primarily used my 650 for data and this is where the 6600 seems to outshine my 650. Pocket Outlook does a great job of working with my imap work account. Pocket IE is pretty slick; also i am going to try out thunderhawk soon.

You probably couildn't go wrong with either one. The big pluses I see for the 6600 are:
that email and the web work much better out of the box than on the 650
the 6600 is capable of EVDO, just need to see if SPCS will offer an official software upgrade to enable this
you can use a SD wifi card unlike the Treo 650.

The pluses for the 650:
much better one-handed operation
better battery life
better camera
smaller

So, it all depends on what you are looking for. I am starting to lean towards the 6600 since I use my 535 for voice and pictures; plus I am hoping for EVDO on the 6600. If I had to use only one device, and no other phone though, I would without a doubt go with the 650 since it is smaller and functions much better as phone in my experience. So let's see if I am still happy with the 6600 in a week or will I go back to the 650.

[Jaggrey]

Well I'm in this same predicament (except I'm comparing to the rumored 6700). As much as I like my 535, I want a smarter phone.

I liked my Treo 600 back when I had one, even though I went through 3 of them. How are the 650 users holding up? A friend of mine really likes his. It kinda seems that the 6600 may be a little too much for me, as I won't have it as a 2nd phone (like alot of people seem to have) and it seems that they concentrated alot on the phone aspect of the Treo. I remember liking the one-handed operation (which helps it feel less like a PDA) and I also remember feeling that the camera was near-worthless. The camera seemed much more polished on the 650 for the 2 minutes that I played with it. How's the camera compared to the 535 bcout?

Any idea if Costco still has the 650s? That's definitely another issue.

[bcoutlander]

Well I am back to using the Treo 650 now. While the 6600 is a nice device I couldn't stand how it would take several extra steps to do things that I could do with the Treo fairly quickly. ie: having to slide up to use the keyboard, navigating links on web pages, PocketWord and PocketExcel are not even close to Docs to Go on the Treo

Plus, the battery-life and camera quality(of the 6600) are pretty abyssmal when compared to the Treo 650. And the 6600 really feels like a brick after using a 650 for 6 months.

Jagg,
Camera on the Treo is good enough for moblogging and emailing quick shots to people but not good enough to print out. Which is why I usually have my 535 with me 100% of the time because the best shots from it do print out pretty decently at 4x6 or smaller. And we don't always have our Elph with us and I like being able to take quick pics of our 7 week old girl.

The build quality of the 650 seems to be fine; I have had mine for 6 months with now issues, my vision was fixed through software reset. From what I have read the later batches are doing better than the first few, also alot of the non-hardware issues have been resolved with the latest firmware patches. Some people have complained that the volume is to low, I haven't had that problem, but that can be remedied with a program called VolumeCare which makes the Treo VERY loud. I went ahead and bought for the times I want to listend to my voicemail with the windows down in my car. Also, the developer is really responsive so I think it good to reward folks who do great work. I would say go for the 650 over the 535 if you won't miss the better camera because it is simply amazing all the things you can do with the Treo.

[Jaggrey]

yea i really enjoy the camera on the 535. I went on a business trip about a month ago and it was my 1st time in that city (Chicago). The majority of the pictures were taken with my 535, and most of them came out looking pretty sweet! Other than that, I don't use the MM functions (tho I benefit from the AAC ringers) and I've found that I use the card less and less unless I'm pulling stuff off a PC via card reader, in which case the phone is just the carrier. Can you do MP3 / AAC ringers on the Treo?

I guess I'm finding that I want a little more functionality out of my phone, like the scheduling features for example. Reliability and reception are key tho, this is my only phone with no landline so I need to be able tof ully rely on it... something that I didn't feel I could do on the Treo 600.

[Jordan]

TCPMP is the beta player for Palm OS. Made by the same people and everything. I love the 650, wish I still had it. Oh well, my new 7400 is good enough for me :)

[Jaggrey]

What does TCPMP do?

EDIT: searching is fundamental :p I searched over at TreoCentral.

[JRider]

What does TCPMP do?

EDIT: searching is fundamental :p I searched over at TreoCentral.

For those who don't have the motivation to do a search... TCPMP is an open-sourced, free media player for the Palm OS. It is very stable while playing all kinds of codecs; including DivX, XviD, MP3, and many more.

Here's a quick link: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/about

[Jaggrey]

sweet... one last question: as far as custom ringtones, I've read they have to be WAV, MIDI, or AMR. Is there any issue with either phone playing these? Seems that the average AAC file is a little less than 100 KB depending on length, which means a WAV of equal length and quality would be about 1 MB. Does either phone hesitate wtih that? Are there any reliable 3rd party programs that allow you to use MP3 or AAC?

[Jordan]

sweet... one last question: as far as custom ringtones, I've read they have to be WAV, MIDI, or AMR. Is there any issue with either phone playing these? Seems that the average AAC file is a little less than 100 KB depending on length, which means a WAV of equal length and quality would be about 1 MB. Does either phone hesitate wtih that? Are there any reliable 3rd party programs that allow you to use MP3 or AAC?

Try using pocket tunes and lightwave, it will allow you to use ur mp3's on the SD card as ringtones :) But you do need to purchase both of these applications for it to work!

[Jaggrey]

Try using pocket tunes and lightwave, it will allow you to use ur mp3's on the SD card as ringtones :) But you do need to purchase both of these applications for it to work!
sweet... does it work well? Any hiccups?

[Scott Eagleson]

What about the 6700 vs. the 650? I am currently a 650 user having all sorts of problems w/Biz connect and e-mail. It has gotten so bad that it has affected Outlook on my laptop. I'm thinking about getting the 6700 and starting from scratch. i need the web and e-mail. Otherwise frankly I'd just buy a $25.00 phone.

[Jaggrey]

Why don't you try another program? Maybe VersaMail or Chatter?

[Scott Eagleson]

The Versa Mail worked fine, however it is not up to the minute. It only works when you Sync and download e-mail. Biz connect is Sprints answer to up to the minute e-mail. You can be on the road for a week w/o Syncing and get and respond to your e-mail. Un fortunatly now I remove biz connect and versa mail has been affected. It now will not work.....

[Jaggrey]

Hmm.... I guess you could try doing a hard-reset. There's gotta be another way tho....