Which gaming system should I get?

[Nugo]

What is the best gaming system out there with regard to game availability, price, graphics, etc?

I think I'm going to treat myself to one this Xmas, but I don't want to buy another "gadget" that sits around and collects dust. I've played GameCube--Tiger Woods 2004. Lots of fun. But this time I want boxing, football, and maybe a first person shooter or flying game. Dunno yet.

What do you guys have? What do you advise? Where's the best deal?

[LoDown3]

lets just say ummm...graphics=xbox...everything else=PS2

:D

...and i approve this post

[Darkflight]

I'm going to stay out of this thread of opinion. Unfortunately my comments would be considered biased since I have every console from Nintendo 8-bit onwards except for the Neo Geo and TurboGraphx.

[dustman81]

If you want GTA: San Andreas, gotta go with the PS2. Other then that, Xbox and PS2 are pretty much equal.

[Noodle]

*sigh* I miss my Turbo Express :)

Well being a huge Playstation fan for quite some time based on games and such I would go for that.

However I myself am trying to decide the same thing and am leaning towards the Xbox.

Lately there have only been a few PS2 specific games out that I want that aren't out for the xbox.

[tuolumne]

X-Box is bulky huge, machine with not many great games....

PS Two is the size of a hardback book, and has an excellent selection of games...

[worst_name_ever]

get the game-cast; than go watch malibu's most wanted.

[Marlon_JB2]

get the game-cast; than go watch malibu's most wanted.
:hee: Classic!

Sorry I can't help Nugo... last console I got was a Playstation....when people were paying full introductory price for them! :eek:

[Noodle]

X-Box is bulky huge, machine with not many great games....

PS Two is the size of a hardback book, and has an excellent selection of games...
Oh come on now don't even try that. The origonal PS2 is damn near the same height as the Xbox. as far as games the Xbox does too.. Don't take this as a pro Xbox post... I am still a huge fan of the PS2 as my previous post in this thread.

[tbakergobucks]

I have the ps2 now and my 3 month old 2005 locked up the other day. I talked to a few managers at a video game store and they told me the ps2 is on it's 5 or 6 desing change, not sure if that's true. So I guess the Xbox might be made a little better. I'll probally get the Xbox after I get the LG 535 when it comes out. :)

[mcurtiss1970]

X-Box is bulky huge, machine with not many great games....

PS Two is the size of a hardback book, and has an excellent selection of games...

i hate the xbox's crap earpiece

[Nugo]

i hate the xbox's crap earpiece
Hee Haw! I'm accustomed, what having an 8200 and all.

[Noodle]

Ok so random semi off topc comment but wich european countries use NTSC as opposed to PAL. Been looking at a few schools and thinking about moving to London or Sweden to finish my degree so I'm curious as far as my electronics. I haven't been up to date on the info so I thought I'd ask here.

EDIT. ok so I found this link and I assume it's semi current but if anyone has any other info it's greatly appreciated.

http://www.high-techproductions.com/pal.htm

[ken_vs_ryu]

pstwo gta and gran turismo plus all of ea offerings.

[kush_14]

you said u liked CS in your other post, so xbox live has cs, and its fun

[ctnchrisw]

Go for an atari! you get to play pong.

[chucka]

What is the best gaming system out there with regard to game availability, price, graphics, etc?

I think I'm going to treat myself to one this Xmas, but I don't want to buy another "gadget" that sits around and collects dust. I've played GameCube--Tiger Woods 2004. Lots of fun. But this time I want boxing, football, and maybe a first person shooter or flying game. Dunno yet.

What do you guys have? What do you advise? Where's the best deal?

I have both and I'm happy with both. I've played Tiger Woods on Xbox and PS2 and IMHO the Xbox is better for that game. If you are into sports games i would recomend the Xbox, it has alll the EAsports games and The new ESPN games (dont let the $20 price tag fool you) and It really has better graphics than the PS2. if you want a shooter game, Halo 2 comes out next tuesday. So just what you put in your first post i would recomend the Xbox. One of the only things that keeps me holding on the my PS2 is that Gran Turismo 4 is coming out soon :).

btw, xbox has a holiday pack out now that comes with NCAA football 2005 and Topspin. Both games are really good and both are online games. all for $150.

[Nugo]

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I do not have a home phone so I suppose I won't be doing the online stuff

[Pavilion1]

Coleco Vision 64

[Strider420]

Playstation 2 has by far the biggest library as well as the most AAA titles. The X-Box has Halo, Fable and.... Halo. The gamecube is cool too, if your 12 years old.

[smittythepig]

i'm 28 and i love the gamecube (metroid, zelda, prince of persia). but then again i'd also like to be able to play "Smurfs" again on my colecovision :D

[640k]

Playstation 2 has by far the biggest library as well as the most AAA titles. The X-Box has Halo, Fable and.... Halo. The gamecube is cool too, if your 12 years old.
Wow thats the worst excuse I've ever heard. XBOX has a ton of titles, and they're coming out with more all of the time. I've played games on both systems and can definitely say that they're equally good. I leaned towards the XBOX because of everything you already get with it and the graphics quality. It already has LAN and HD built in for the same price as a PS2 and you don't have to worry about memory cards to save games on.

Plus the XBOX still has its hack-a-bility. So you could potentially expand your HD to 100gb, copy games on the HD and play MP3s and vids.

Size shouldn't be an issue for anyone, what are you honestly hiding? The newer PS2 they're getting ready to release is twice as slim as the first PS2 but its a top-loading design, so whats the point? Plus you won't be able to add a HD.

I personally wouldn't buy a system just for one game, cause that will most likely be the only game you play and you just wasted $200 on console and game. GTA: SA will be out for PC and prolly XBOX soon enough. Just be patient. ;)

[640k]

i'm 28 and i love the gamecube (metroid, zelda, prince of persia). but then again i'd also like to be able to play "Smurfs" again on my colecovision :D
Someone just released one of those "all-in-one" designs for the old Intellivision games. I miss my Intellivision, those games were amazing. I think that little toy has like 25 Intellivision games on it, and its alot of the classics that were so great.

[ken_vs_ryu]

Wow thats the worst excuse I've ever heard. XBOX has a ton of titles, and they're coming out with more all of the time. I've played games on both systems and can definitely say that they're equally good. I leaned towards the XBOX because of everything you already get with it and the graphics quality. It already has LAN and HD built in for the same price as a PS2 and you don't have to worry about memory cards to save games on.

Plus the XBOX still has its hack-a-bility. So you could potentially expand your HD to 100gb, copy games on the HD and play MP3s and vids.

Size shouldn't be an issue for anyone, what are you honestly hiding? The newer PS2 they're getting ready to release is twice as slim as the first PS2 but its a top-loading design, so whats the point? Plus you won't be able to add a HD.

I personally wouldn't buy a system just for one game, cause that will most likely be the only game you play and you just wasted $200 on console and game. GTA: SA will be out for PC and prolly XBOX soon enough. Just be patient. ;)
nice argument but ps2 still wins with the library. only if you can hack the xbox to play ps2 games.

[Jonacell]

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right now...buying any system(gamecube, ps2, xbox) would be good. all that matters really is which exclusive games would you like?

[Strider420]

Wow thats the worst excuse I've ever heard.
No it's not

XBOX has a ton of titles, and they're coming out with more all of the time. I've played games on both systems and can definitely say that they're equally good. OK then tell me where the new Metal gear solid is going? What about Devil May Cry? Oh and Killzone? Final Fantasy series? GTA series? the list goes on (and on).

I leaned towards the XBOX because of everything you already get with it and the graphics quality. It already has LAN and HD built in for the same price as a PS2 and you don't have to worry about memory cards to save games on.

The New PStwo has on-board LAN also. HD is good though, I'll give you that but you still didn't mention any good games (I already mentioned Halo).

Plus the XBOX still has its hack-a-bility. So you could potentially expand your HD to 100gb, copy games on the HD and play MP3s and vids.

So you turned it to a bootleg computer?

Size shouldn't be an issue for anyone, what are you honestly hiding? The newer PS2 they're getting ready to release is twice as slim as the first PS2 but its a top-loading design, so whats the point? Plus you won't be able to add a HD.
The new PStwo is a space saver/cost-reduced version bt it will also drop in price once the PS3 hits stores (which should be very soon).

I personally wouldn't buy a system just for one game, cause that will most likely be the only game you play and you just wasted $200 on console and game. GTA: SA will be out for PC and prolly XBOX soon enough. Just be patient. ;)
Soon? Like they got GTA III this year after PS2 owners had it since 2000.

Bottom line: Find out what games you want to play and pick a system that has a good library of those games. All of this MP3 ripping to your 100Gig HD while downloaded divx movies is all fine and dandy but when you just wanna play a good game, those features become useless.
Not to mention, Japanese companies have a dislike of M$ and therefore are barely starting to bring their games over.

[640k]

OK then tell me where the new Metal gear solid is going? What about Devil May Cry? Oh and Killzone? Final Fantasy series? GTA series? the list goes on (and on).

You can't compare titles that are specifically released for one system and not the other. Sure Halo has done well for the XBOX, but what about the DOA series, Splinter Cell 2, Unreal, TOCA Race Driver 2 and Counterstrike? How about the fact that Half Life 2 and Doom III are coming exclusively to the XBOX? Its not fair to compare games that are specifically released for one console and not the other.

Gamecube has Metroid, Mario, Zelda and a bunch of other titles, but you don't see anyone else complaining about it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing PS2, its a great system, i'm just not biased towards one or the other. If you've never played any of the games specific to a console, you're really not missing anything.

Its true, you should think about what games you'd "like" to play, but also think about the games that already go across all of the platforms and decide what platform you think the game plays better on. EA Sports is across all platforms, lots of racing games including Codemaster's great Colin McRae racing should fix most anyone's GT fix. NFS: Underground is another super game thats across all platforms.

Fact of the matter is, alot of games are released for a specific console before it makes it to the other platforms to make up for costs developing the game. Rockstar sells the GTA series on PS first because its harder to bootleg, meaning pretty much everyone has to buy it. 6 months later, they start making profit and have the ability to release it for other platforms. In the meantime, they've improved every aspect of the game and have worked out all of the bugs.

So you turned it to a bootleg computer?
XBOX IS a bootlegged computer anyway. Its just a specialized system with a hacked Win2k OS. Lots of forums devote their time to unmasking the XBOX and using it to its full potential. Some people have done it with PS2 as well, including selling HDs with Linux installed.

The new PStwo is a space saver/cost-reduced version bt it will also drop in price once the PS3 hits stores (which should be very soon).
I read in AP that the new PS2 will cost more (like $150) at first because of the redesign, and its smart marketing. Most people will buy it because they'll think its newer technology. XBOX 2 will be late coming and Sony will once again corner the market with the newer console. Its a never-ending struggle.

.02 :thumbsup:

[Crowza]

Three words: Halo 2 - Xbox

[Nugo]

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Does xbox have any boxing games?

[chucka]

xbox boxing games.

EA Sports Fight Night
knockout kings
Mike Tyson Heavyweight Boxing
Rocky

[640k]

xbox boxing games.

EA Sports Fight Night
knockout kings
Mike Tyson Heavyweight Boxing
Rocky
Whats the new one that just came out? That game is fun.

[Strider420]

You can't compare titles that are specifically released for one system and not the other. Sure Halo has done well for the XBOX, but what about the DOA series, Splinter Cell 2, Unreal, TOCA Race Driver 2 and Counterstrike? How about the fact that Half Life 2 and Doom III are coming exclusively to the XBOX? Its not fair to compare games that are specifically released for one console and not the other.

Bwaahahahah. Ok let's not compare what games are exclusive to each console to keep this "fair". Hahahaha, you made a funny.

Oh, and you just named a bunch of games that were specifically made for the PC and then ported to XBox.

Gamecube has Metroid, Mario, Zelda and a bunch of other titles, but you don't see anyone else complaining about it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing PS2, its a great system, i'm just not biased towards one or the other. If you've never played any of the games specific to a console, you're really not missing anything.

Those are first party titles developed and published by Nintendo for play only on Nintendo hardware. The games I mentioned are third party titles released by independent developers and publishers for play on whatever system they feel is best.

Its true, you should think about what games you'd "like" to play, but also think about the games that already go across all of the platforms and decide what platform you think the game plays better on. EA Sports is across all platforms, lots of racing games including Codemaster's great Colin McRae racing should fix most anyone's GT fix. NFS: Underground is another super game thats across all platforms.

Fact of the matter is, alot of games are released for a specific console before it makes it to the other platforms to make up for costs developing the game. Rockstar sells the GTA series on PS first because its harder to bootleg, meaning pretty much everyone has to buy it. 6 months later, they start making profit and have the ability to release it for other platforms. In the meantime, they've improved every aspect of the game and have worked out all of the bugs.


Most games that come out for all platforms are usually all very similar with the edge going to Xbox for graphics.

And Rockstar releases the GTA games on Sony systems because they have a long, solid relationship with Sony since the release of the original GTA on the Playstation because of Sony's no-censorship policy, back when games were thought to be for kids only. Luckily it didn't catch too much flak b/c it had mainly a cult following (which I was a part of :D ) and not too much mainstream success.

Besides, with a MOD-chip and a DVD burner, any system can become pirate-friendly.

XBOX IS a bootlegged computer anyway. Its just a specialized system with a hacked Win2k OS. Lots of forums devote their time to unmasking the XBOX and using it to its full potential. Some people have done it with PS2 as well, including selling HDs with Linux installed.


I read in AP that the new PS2 will cost more (like $150) at first because of the redesign, and its smart marketing. Most people will buy it because they'll think its newer technology. XBOX 2 will be late coming and Sony will once again corner the market with the newer console. Its a never-ending struggle.

.02 :thumbsup:

The Xbox is great for those who can't afford/don't want a PC as it let's you do a lot of stuff the PC does.
The Sony HD's w/ linux are an official product for the Japanese market only.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy a PS2 but you should know what the system can and can't do.

To the OP, you will probably be happy with any console if this is your first system. If you are a fan of certain franchises, check what console supports them (i.e. if you like Mario, go Nintendo, you want some Metal Gear? PS2 it is, etc.) and get one of those.

[Pavilion1]

I still think the Coleco Adam would be the best choice. I mean come on, who in the world would refuse such a powerful gaming system where the power supply, to the WHOLE SYSTEM, is located in the printer!? :D

[Nugo]

Do any of these gaming systems play DVDs in progressive scan? And with S-Video? (how bout dvd-r, dvd+r, rw, etc.)

[tas1234]

OK I'm going to say something that is not against Nugo ,but this kinda thread is getting on my nerves it is just like the threads that ask "What kind of phone should get " if you want a game system pick the one you like not what every one else would want you to get,and pick the phone you want . So stop the madness, don't ask stupid questions and pick it your self ,because no one knows what you really want or really need.

OK off my soap .Sorry I had to say it was eating at me.
:rant:

Tas

[Nugo]

OK I'm going to say something that is not against Nugo ,but this kinda thread is getting on my nerves it is just like the threads that ask "What kind of phone should get " if you want a game system pick the one you like not what every one else would want you to get,and pick the phone you want . So stop the madness, don't ask stupid questions and pick it your self ,because no one knows what you really want or really need.

OK off my soap .Sorry I had to say it was eating at me.
:rant:

Tas
I'm really sorry this bothers you, but I've learned alot from what these folks are saying. It will affect my decision.

[tas1234]

I'm really sorry this bothers you, but I've learned alot from what these folks are saying. It will affect my decision.

I know we all learn alot from everyone here , sorry it does not bother me but it was just the amount of threads of what should I pick .Instead I do alot of research and read reviews.sorry

Tas

[LoDown3]

XBOX 2 will be late coming and Sony will once again corner the market with the newer console. Its a never-ending struggle.

.02 :thumbsup:

dont think sony corners the market...every1 and they momma KNEW that the ps2 was gonna be the biggest system to hit the planet (hey, kinda like it is now! :joy: ). its the sequel to the unstoppable ps1!
seemed more to me like they waited till ps2 is released to attempt to add "more, better features" to their systems...
lets seeeee, ps2 comes out and wat? like a year later we see xbox and gamecube? all i remeber hearing was all the new, better stuff added to xox and 'cube while ps2 was sellin and sellin and sellin...








and sellin... :D

[LoDown3]

OK I'm going to say something that is not against Nugo ,but this kinda thread is getting on my nerves it is just like the threads that ask "What kind of phone should get " if you want a game system pick the one you like not what every one else would want you to get,and pick the phone you want . So stop the madness, don't ask stupid questions and pick it your self ,because no one knows what you really want or really need.

OK off my soap .Sorry I had to say it was eating at me.
:rant:

Tas
i agree, and with that said go with the ps2 :D ...j/k
i feel u, but i think with this its different since theres only 3 choices, well basically 2 (xbox + ps2) cuz no-1 in there right mind past the age of 14 would EVER consider gamecube! (j/k again).
But, the focus is only on ps2/xbox rather than 2 whole companies selling a bunch of phones (samsung + sanyo) or just phones in general with all the possible choices of phones w/ features that crossover (not xclusive) and blablabla....u kno?

[Ted]

lowdown, love the new av. who is that supposed to be, barney?

[Strider420]

Do any of these gaming systems play DVDs in progressive scan? And with S-Video? (how bout dvd-r, dvd+r, rw, etc.)
Gamecube has NO DVD playback but Xbox and PS2 do offer Progressive scan DVD with S-video output. I have my PS2 hooked up via S-video and it makes a huge difference in image quality. Both systems support DVD±R but RW, I don't know for sure. PS2 also has optical audio output (not sure about Xbox).

[Nugo]

Gamecube has NO DVD playback but Xbox and PS2 do offer Progressive scan DVD with S-video output. I have my PS2 hooked up via S-video and it makes a huge difference in image quality. Both systems support DVD±R but RW, I don't know for sure. PS2 also has optical audio output (not sure about Xbox).

Outstanding. So now my last factor will be price, and I'm not sure but I think PS2 wins that. Again, thanks for your help guys. Next time I'm fishing for information, I will title it, "What do you think is the better game system," instead of, "What gaming system should I get." That, it seems, would be less likely to ruffle feathers ;)

[LoDown3]

lowdown, love the new av. who is that supposed to be, barney?
haha nah, this dancin hippo, u gotta see the whole clip, its BEEN floatin round the net for a looooooong while, u may see it around...its funny as hell tho. :hee:

anywayssss, i agree w/ strider on the S-video. i got monster cables, and they r greeeeat for the ps2. u WILL notice the difference in quality. definetly enhances graphics mang!

[Taregt]

X-Box is bulky huge, machine with not many great games....

PS Two is the size of a hardback book, and has an excellent selection of games...

First off the only reason xbox is a huge and bulky machine is because it has a 50 gb hd in it the kills memory cards (as in the playstation 2 where you have to go out and buy memory cards for 15+ dollars). Also has 4 player spot(great for when u have friends over vs the 2 playstation has)And for the Lack of great games you obviously have never played and Xbox! They Have Halo, splinter cell, Knights of the Old Republic, Ghost recon(i could go on forever) All the same sports games, better fps, and Xbox live is a hell of alot better than the crappy Playstation live system. Now i admit that the Xbox does have a lack in rpg games whereas the Playstation has the final fantasy series and many other RPG games that i wish i had right now. But the xbox does have better software and better graphics which is why it is big and bulky and personally i don't really plan on taking my xbox everywhere so i don't care how big the size of it is! I am not against Playstaion though i am planning on buying there new handheld when it comes and just my second ps2 this week :p

[Taregt]

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I do not have a home phone so I suppose I won't be doing the online stuff

In regards to the phone, Xbox live doesn't take dial up anyways it is all broadband so if you have cable or dsl you can use it, And after through reading through the thread at least twice i go back to the previous post and reiterate that the xbox is a better gamer choice, don't buy a system to play dvds, the playstation gets messed up and you end up having to send it in to be refurbished(i know this from personal experience also many of my friends have had to send theirs in also) And with the xbox you have to buy a dam controller, now i may not now much about phones but games are my thing and i really recomend the XBOX unless you are all about the rpgs :)

[640k]

First off the only reason xbox is a huge and bulky machine is because it has a 50 gb hd in it the kills memory cards
Since when? Last I checked the HDs were only 8gb and only a few were 10gb, but with only a 8gb partition. Its not "big and bulky" because of the HD. They could have put a 2.5" HD in there and got the same results. They did the design to cut costs, and because of airflow problems. The DVD drive isn't proprietary (to xbox) and can be replaced with any drive (even without hacking). Its not cramped in there, but it certainly isn't spacious.

Anyway to say that the size of the case is because the drive is so large (even if it IS 50gb) is ridiculous.

Also has 4 player spot(great for when u have friends over vs the 2 playstation has)
Yeah thats true, but again its not what is causing the size of the unit. Anyway, PS2 can use splitters and run 4 people on a game. But honestly, how many times do you have 4 people that want or can play a game AT THE SAME TIME?? If you're playing more than one person, chances are you're networked or on Live.

But the xbox does have better software and better graphics which is why it is big and bulky
Again another bad statement. The hardware that controls the graphics are merely NVIDIA which are at best, lacking. It just so happens that there are more readily available programmers to program in a PC environment than Sony's graphic system. I've heard that the graphics system (Emotion System?) is so difficult to program for, that they're only now catching up in quality compared to the xbox. XBOX is dumping NVIDIA for ATI next release anyway.

But again, the video is built in to the hardware (like PS and PS2) and software surely isn't going to make the size of the system any larger.

[tuolumne]

First off the only reason xbox is a huge and bulky machine is because it has a 50 gb hd in it the kills memory cards (as in the playstation 2 where you have to go out and buy memory cards for 15+ dollars). Also has 4 player spot(great for when u have friends over vs the 2 playstation has)And for the Lack of great games you obviously have never played and Xbox! They Have Halo, splinter cell, Knights of the Old Republic, Ghost recon(i could go on forever) All the same sports games, better fps, and Xbox live is a hell of alot better than the crappy Playstation live system. Now i admit that the Xbox does have a lack in rpg games whereas the Playstation has the final fantasy series and many other RPG games that i wish i had right now. But the xbox does have better software and better graphics which is why it is big and bulky and personally i don't really plan on taking my xbox everywhere so i don't care how big the size of it is! I am not against Playstaion though i am planning on buying there new handheld when it comes and just my second ps2 this week :p
Doesn't have GTA SA, GT3 or GT4, the getaway, the final fantasy seiries...has the same sports games, and a much better controller...

Granted, the X-box does seem to have *minorly* better graphics, and the build in HDD...

[LoDown3]

ps2...need i say more?

ask people in like... india, if they ever heard of an xbox... see how they look at u funny (especially if they dunno english) :D
j/k

[Noodle]

I love the GTA series and it's starting to make a nice showing on the xbox, I also love the Final Fantasy and Silent Hill series, and then there is the Gran Turismo series... those are all great game but even still being a long time PS or PS2 fan I'm going to get an Xbox within the next couple of days. I'm not going retail though unles it's used (either Pawn Shop or EB or other used game stores)

I'll straight up admit it I wanna mod it and have a bigger hard drive and other options available aside from M$'s only options. I don't believe in pirating games but I do like to be able to get the most out of my technology.

[Fhantazm]

xbox-hands down. All the PS2 fanboys will try to steer you away, with promises of much greener grass. HOWEVER, the green grass is mearly gobs of money lining Sony's pockets from all the extras you have to purchase to make it **CLOSELY** equivalent to the xbox. I have both consoles and by accident have Nascar 2004 and Madden 2004 for the xbox and ps2. The difference in graphics between the consoles ALONE could make most people instantly make the xbox purchase. Hope this helps. :)

[Taregt]

Since when? Last I checked the HDs were only 8gb and only a few were 10gb, but with only a 8gb partition. Its not "big and bulky" because of the HD. They could have put a 2.5" HD in there and got the same results. They did the design to cut costs, and because of airflow problems. The DVD drive isn't proprietary (to xbox) and can be replaced with any drive (even without hacking). Its not cramped in there, but it certainly isn't spacious.

Anyway to say that the size of the case is because the drive is so large (even if it IS 50gb) is ridiculous.


Yeah thats true, but again its not what is causing the size of the unit. Anyway, PS2 can use splitters and run 4 people on a game. But honestly, how many times do you have 4 people that want or can play a game AT THE SAME TIME?? If you're playing more than one person, chances are you're networked or on Live.

I often have more than 4 people in my house just for this reason, i am a gamer and i always have my friends over playing Halo, Ghost Recon, Counterstrike(system link) and random fighting games. And that is without being networked on live, Also i like playing Crimson Skies on live with my friends over cause it is a 2 player live game, and Nhl Rivals which is a 4 person live game and is fun to play!

Again another bad statement. The hardware that controls the graphics are merely NVIDIA which are at best, lacking. It just so happens that there are more readily available programmers to program in a PC environment than Sony's graphic system. I've heard that the graphics system (Emotion System?) is so difficult to program for, that they're only now catching up in quality compared to the xbox. XBOX is dumping NVIDIA for ATI next release anyway.

So just because Sony has a system that is harder to program it is unfair to say Xbox has better graphics? And that isn't even fact it is something that you "heard"? And so the programmers for Xbox know how to program better, and that is why the Xbox graphics are better thanks for clearing that up for me...

But again, the video is built in to the hardware (like PS and PS2) and software surely isn't going to make the size of the system any larger.

It also has the built in broadband capabilty, 4 controller slots, granted they could of made it smaller if they really wanted to. Man again i state if you are buying a game system due to the size of it you have no idea what you are doing. And the Xbox does have better graphics asking any programmer out there and he will tell you that. Look at the Chronicles of Riddick for example. And i also stated that the if you wanted the final fantasy series you would need to buy the ps2(and gta and gt). I never said the ps2 was a lousy system settle down i just bought my second one. I find that i have alot less problems with my xbox and i like not having to buy memory cards over and over, and having to erase old saves just to play new games. And about the hard drive sorry it is 5 gb not 50 a typo. But honestly i'm not saying my opinion is right or that anyone elses is wrong i just have been playing games since atari and have owned every system except for Sega Cd(i didn't get one :( )and i feel that i have a very valid opinion that most hardcore gamers share :p

And i am not even going to respond to LoDown3's statement...

[Taregt]

Sorry got impatient and click the submit button 2 many times :(

[LoDown3]

And i am not even going to respond to LoDown3's statement...
good, cuz i thnk most people realized it was a joke... :rolleyes:
anyways, i'm pleased with my ps2, dunno wat "problems" people highlight. as for xbox, its cool and all, but i just like ps2 better...its a gamers game system...for gamingly game times playing many games

[640k]

good, cuz i thnk most people realized it was a joke... :rolleyes:
anyways, i'm pleased with my ps2, dunno wat "problems" people highlight. as for xbox, its cool and all, but i just like ps2 better...its a gamers game system...for gamingly game times playing many games
Alot of people disquality the xbox because of the PC-like graphics, whereas they compare PS2 as having more arcade-style graphics.

So just because Sony has a system that is harder to program it is unfair to say Xbox has better graphics? And that isn't even fact it is something that you "heard"? And so the programmers for Xbox know how to program better, and that is why the Xbox graphics are better thanks for clearing that up for me...
I never said it was unfair, I merely stated that the programmers just don't know enough about the abilities and limitations of the Emotion System like they do with NVIDIA. The good thing about the XBOX, is the graphics will always appear superior to PCs because programmers only have to program specifically towards one type of hardware system, instead of accomodating for any situation.

I got some good feedback from PS2 developers who are also having a hard time with the new hardware. In fact, to get an idea of just how bad the situation is, check out this article on MSNBC, which discusses the difficulties that even the most experienced of console programmers are having in learning how to code for the PS2.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/ps2vspc.ars I don't know how old this article is, but its a perfect example of how its been a difficult struggle. The latest PS2 games have done an excellent job catching up with the XBOX.

It also has the built in broadband capabilty
I think all of the newer original design PS2s have LAN capabilities now, and so do all of the newest redesigned PS2s. "Integrated Ethernet port: Go online and play with your friends—the built-in Ethernet and analog modem port make it easy," from Circuit City.

Man again i state if you are buying a game system due to the size of it you have no idea what you are doing
Anyway, I was merely stating that the information you supplied as to why the XBOX "is so large" was wrong. Just trying to help you out. ;)

[Noodle]

The thing with the ps2 online play is it's free... however it's also limited to being supported only by the company that makes the game. For instance EA games are run on EA servers. Sony doesn't have any central servers for all games. The Xbox does but it costs money. I do also like how the PS2 has out of the box DVD support for people who may not still have a DVD player.

Unfortunately M$ likes to nickle and dime it's customers such as not letting dvd playback be standard and requiring the remote pack.

Someone else earlier said that the DVD drives are just standard DVD drives that you can buy for any computer. That's actually not true. A regular DVD drive for a computer can't directly read an Xbox game and this is because of the way the Xbox drives read the data. A regular computer DVD drive reads from the outside of the disc to the inside. The Xbox drive actually reads from the inside of the disc to the outside. This is why you have to jump through some hoops to "backup" Xbox games as opposed to just popping them into your computer and using your favorite burning software.

[Fhantazm]

A regular computer DVD drive reads from the outside of the disc to the inside. The Xbox drive actually reads from the inside of the disc to the outside.
This is not accurate. A standard computer DVD drive(as well as home dvd drives) read the data from the inside out, just like a CD. The only time it reads outside in, is on a layer change.

Heres a link if you doubt me.
http://www.baykomm.bayer.de/en/exhibition_rooms/information_technology/frameset.html?page=c_sps_hightech

[640k]

This is not accurate. A standard computer DVD drive(as well as home dvd drives) read the data from the inside out, just like a CD. The only time it reads outside in, is on a layer change.

Heres a link if you doubt me.
http://www.baykomm.bayer.de/en/exhibition_rooms/information_technology/frameset.html?page=c_sps_hightech
Yeah I thought that seemed off. Someone said that PS discs were this way too, but I always understood the "protection" as actually being the ROM images on that separate layer that you speak of. For instance, burn a PS/PS2 disc. You can. But it won't work. Thats why the "hacked" ROM imaged CDs for PS systems works, but you have to have the right stuff to load the ROM into memory or a memory card. XBOX kind of works off of the same principle. I think the reading from the opposite direction, actually has to do with the "hidden" ROM image that most computers and imaging software misses.

Fhantazm, does this sound accurate? I think I've got it right.

[Fhantazm]

Yeah I thought that seemed off. Someone said that PS discs were this way too, but I always understood the "protection" as actually being the ROM images on that separate layer that you speak of. For instance, burn a PS/PS2 disc. You can. But it won't work. Thats why the "hacked" ROM imaged CDs for PS systems works, but you have to have the right stuff to load the ROM into memory or a memory card. XBOX kind of works off of the same principle. I think the reading from the opposite direction, actually has to do with the "hidden" ROM image that most computers and imaging software misses.

Fhantazm, does this sound accurate? I think I've got it right.
Actually that sounds right to me! :)

[Noodle]

Ok I must have gotten them backwards the way I listed it then. I know it has somthing to do with that though as why you can't just pop an Xbox game into a regular PC DVD (http://www.adsrve.com/linkredirect.php?h=23,37049240,sprintusers.com,0) drive or DVD burner and have it read

EDIT: Ok here is a quote I found on another forum

"PC drive reads TOC on layer 1 when the "real" TOC of xbox disc is on layer 2...
Layer 1 on xbox disc contains a DVD video compatible datas..."

Wich is why it would then read from the outside to the inside of the disc because of the TOC being on the second layer.

[640k]

Ok I must have gotten them backwards the way I listed it then. I know it has somthing to do with that though as why you can't just pop an Xbox game into a regular PC DVD (http://www.adsrve.com/linkredirect.php?h=23,37049240,sprintusers.com,0) drive or DVD burner and have it read

EDIT: Ok here is a quote I found on another forum

"PC drive reads TOC on layer 1 when the "real" TOC of xbox disc is on layer 2...
Layer 1 on xbox disc contains a DVD video compatible datas..."

Wich is why it would then read from the outside to the inside of the disc because of the TOC being on the second layer.
Yeah but that doesn't have anything to do with the hardware. MS went for cost saving componenets in this config. The software knows where to look for the information. I need to do a little more research, but last I knew, changing the DVD had no effects... but I could be wrong. I'll check when I have time.

[Noodle]

I could be wrong as well, I haven't personally tried it, I'm just going off info from friends and various xbox modding sites.

By the way I just strayed from my usual PS loving self and picked up a used xbox from a local game store, I must say I love it and can't wait to "upgrade" it and get the full potential out of it. I will miss the Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, etc series but then again the Xbox still has some great games.

I picked it up for $65 with a used copy of Metal Gear Solid 2 and I loved the game when I played it on my friends PS2 and it looks just as good on the Xbox. Now I just have to go out and drop more money on some other games.

[640k]

I could be wrong as well, I haven't personally tried it, I'm just going off info from friends and various xbox modding sites.

By the way I just strayed from my usual PS loving self and picked up a used xbox from a local game store, I must say I love it and can't wait to "upgrade" it and get the full potential out of it. I will miss the Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, etc series but then again the Xbox still has some great games.

I picked it up for $65 with a used copy of Metal Gear Solid 2 and I loved the game when I played it on my friends PS2 and it looks just as good on the Xbox. Now I just have to go out and drop more money on some other games.
GT is fun, and truthfully, no one missed Final Fantasy before it was re-released. I get my GT fix out of Colin McRae (for realism) and NFS (for fun).

[Noodle]

I haven't played the NFS on the Xbox but I loved them on the PS and the PC

I'm probably going to drop about $100 to $120 in the next week or so on games :) Pre-played of course for most of them because that way I can get more. I'm looking at the Silent Hill Xbox port, Splinter Cell either 1 or 2 doesn't matter to me really they both are cool. Madden 2005, Probably Star War Knights of the Old Republic, and if I can find it somewhere World Championship Rugby. Maybe Midnight Club also since I loved that game on my friends PS2 when I played it.

*sigh* so many games, so little time (and money :D) The last gaming system I had was the origonal Playstation and it died about 6 months ago. I'm like a little kid in a candy store now that I have a new system of my own as opposed to playing stuff randomly at friends places.

[Nugo]

That's my fear; gaming takes hours and hours. After all this, I think I might just skip after all. I used to spend alot of hours gaming (granted cheaper than nightclubs or drugs, yet equally productive).

Even Epicuris said, "moderation." Unfortunately, that takes discipline that I don't have.

[640k]

(granted cheaper than nightclubs or drugs, yet equally productive).
Speak for yourself ;) People who have unproductive nights at nightclubs are either not trying, or shouldn't leave the house.

[Nugo]

Speak for yourself ;) People who have unproductive nights at nightclubs are either not trying, or shouldn't leave the house.
HAHAHA :joy:

[Fhantazm]

Nugo,
I have already replied, but from your post in the Halo thread, I feel the need to reply again. :) I have a PS2(Kids) and an Xbox(Mine and my GF's). My GF has never seen an Xbox up until the time I bought mine. Before I could even ask her, she said that the Xbox is the BEST gaming system she has ever played. She said the graphics are much better than the PS2 and the playability is better. Remember, this coming from a girl! She and I spent 4 hours playing Halo 2 last night and she said that Halo 2 is definitely the best game she has ever played! Nugo, I HIGHLY reccomend the Xbox. Superior graphics, superior controllers(up for debate), superior upgradability.

[abby]

[QUOTE]The new PStwo is a space saver/cost-reduced version bt it will also drop in price once the PS3 hits stores (which should be very soon). [QUOTE]


I hate to say it but the PS3 won't be released until 2006 and in my opinion that is not very soon!

[640k]

[QUOTE]The new PStwo is a space saver/cost-reduced version bt it will also drop in price once the PS3 hits stores (which should be very soon). [QUOTE]


I hate to say it but the PS3 won't be released until 2006 and in my opinion that is not very soon!
Hmm.. last I heard it was going to be for the 05 xmas season, but who knows. Sony might take a "hit" and let the xbox come out first, so they can gain capital with their PSP.

[Nugo]

Nugo,
I have already replied, but from your post in the Halo thread, I feel the need to reply again. :) I have a PS2(Kids) and an Xbox(Mine and my GF's). My GF has never seen an Xbox up until the time I bought mine. Before I could even ask her, she said that the Xbox is the BEST gaming system she has ever played. She said the graphics are much better than the PS2 and the playability is better. Remember, this coming from a girl! She and I spent 4 hours playing Halo 2 last night and she said that Halo 2 is definitely the best game she has ever played! Nugo, I HIGHLY reccomend the Xbox. Superior graphics, superior controllers(up for debate), superior upgradability.
I understand. The only thing I fear now is how much time I will kill playing games. But I have almost a month off from school between early Dec. and early Jan., so it might be fair. I'm just afraid it would eat into my study time or whatever once I get rolling again. Uggggh. Anybody know any tricks on how to moderate yourself on gameplay (besides the obvious which is working for me)?

[LoDown3]

I understand. The only thing I fear now is how much time I will kill playing games. But I have almost a month off from school between early Dec. and early Jan., so it might be fair. I'm just afraid it would eat into my study time or whatever once I get rolling again. Uggggh. Anybody know any tricks on how to moderate yourself on gameplay (besides the obvious which is working for me)?
haah tru, it can cut in, but u wont get too into it during school... BUT u'll definetly b pleased during the between-semester break mang, espcially with every1 back and online/playing multiplayer sh*t etc....

personally, I cant wait to SlamDUnk contest against the fellas in Live05! :joy:
gonna b crazy fun and hot as sh#t haha...