[Treo 650] it's official, Sprint disabled bluetooth....

[kaila]

on this phone. Read the otherwise good review here -> http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/474-1.htm

[NoClones]

I donno about that. Sprint is the only provider getting this phone when it comes out. And it clearly states (Another source) that it will have bluetooth.

[belerek]

From what I understand, Bluetooth will work w/ the Treo 650. However, for Sprint, they've disabled the BT "profile" that will allow you to use the 650 as a modem for other devices. The profiles for BT headsets & sync'ing w/ other BT devices are still in place, so they should work.

The phone is still capable of being used as a modem, so hopefully someone will write a program that will take place of the disabled profile.

[mcurtiss1970]

I have little problem with carriers removeing the phone as a modem. I *do* have a big problem with removing the ability to sync with outlook which is what Verizon did with the v710.

not sure if the removed pieces control both of these....

[NoClones]

From what I understand, Bluetooth will work w/ the Treo 650. However, for Sprint, they've disabled the BT "profile" that will allow you to use the 650 as a modem for other devices. The profiles for BT headsets & sync'ing w/ other BT devices are still in place, so they should work.

The phone is still capable of being used as a modem, so hopefully someone will write a program that will take place of the disabled profile.

Well, if what you understand is correct... I don't understand how it will have bluetooth but Sprint's version won't. Sprint is the only carrier picking up this phone.

[imtravis]

Maybe PDANet will work w/BlooToof. I hate how Sprint bastardizes BlooToof.

[belerek]

Well, if what you understand is correct... I don't understand how it will have bluetooth but Sprint's version won't. Sprint is the only carrier picking up this phone.

There is a GSM version of the T650, so Verizon & Cingular will be carrying it as well. A lot of the Sprint users on the TC forum are considering moving to Verizon b/c the GSM version is rumored to have EDGE capability.

I don't think you understood my post. It's not a matter of the phone having or not having BT, it's more like what profiles of BT does the phone have? For Sprint, the phone will be able to use BT headsets and sync with other BT devices. If you still don't know what I'm saying, read the BT section of this page:
http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/474-2.htm

[NoClones]

Are you sure there's a GSM version ? PC Magazine states only Sprint will be offering this phone.
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I'm not sure I'd believe Sprint has disabled bluetooth. Considering the partnership with Ford Motor Co. to intregrate bluetooth phones into their cars... ?

[imtravis]

I believe Sprint is the only one offering the T650 this year. Next year I'm sure we'll see other providers jumping in, just like w/T600.

[Ted]

on this phone. Read the otherwise good review here -> http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/474-1.htm

what a suprise. does anyone who doesn't use the phone as a modem care about this?

[coolemt]

When will Sprint be putting the phone out?

[Deval]

There is a GSM version of the T650, so Verizon & Cingular will be carrying it as well. A lot of the Sprint users on the TC forum are considering moving to Verizon b/c the GSM version is rumored to have EDGE capability.

I don't think you understood my post. It's not a matter of the phone having or not having BT, it's more like what profiles of BT does the phone have? For Sprint, the phone will be able to use BT headsets and sync with other BT devices. If you still don't know what I'm saying, read the BT section of this page:
http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/474-2.htm
why would Verizon have the GSM version? :confused: they are CDMA last time I checked

[belerek]

Are you sure there's a GSM version ? PC Magazine states only Sprint will be offering this phone.

Here you go... http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=60222&highlight=treo+650+edge
or http://www.palmone.com/us/products/smartphones/treo650/treo650_gsmdsheet.pdf


I'm not sure I'd believe Sprint has disabled bluetooth. Considering the partnership with Ford Motor Co. to intregrate bluetooth phones into their cars... ?

I guess you didn't understand my posts then. Maybe the other users can do a better job.

[Deval]

hey no need to mock someone cuz they cant understand....but basically what you are saying is that DUN is disabled, but OBEX and OPP (i believe) along with HeadSet and HandsFree should work?

[belerek]

why would Verizon have the GSM version? :confused: they are CDMA last time I checked

I know for sure there will be a GSM version of the phone, but I guess I have Verizon & Cingular mixed up. (Sorry, I've been a lifetime Sprint user.)
Just FYI, the TC forum users are expecting it to be on Verizon as well, since they do carry the T600.

Thanks for correcting me on the VZ GSM/CDMA issue :) .

[belerek]

hey no need to mock someone cuz they cant understand....but basically what you are saying is that DUN is disabled, but OBEX and OPP (i believe) along with HeadSet and HandsFree should work?

There was no sarcasm in that post. My BT knowledge is limited at best.
But yes, that's what the TC article is saying.

[Deval]

Yeah most likely they will make one for them as well, considering the success of the Treo600...I like the 650, but for my usage, its not worth the money

[belerek]

I agree w/ you. I may just go for the old T600 and save some money until a better Treo is available.

[Deval]

I like this one though...considering what it can do, its worth it, for business users and those who need the palm capabilities...I'll save up for the 5600!

[Jmyeosf]

the CDMA version will have higher resolution video capture than the GSM version

[coolemt]

So does anyone know why Sprint disable the bluetooth feature for the T650?

[Kinetic2k3]

bluetooth should be enabled just without a lot of OBEX profiles most likely...sort of like the pm 325...it does have the DUN profile tho....

[coolemt]

Can you say that in English lol.. OBEX? DUN?

[NoClones]

belerek---
You take take your attitute toward me somewhere else. Make your post more clear next time and proof it so it makes sense!
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[Deval]

Can you say that in English lol.. OBEX? DUN?
DUN - dialup networking (modem usage)
OBEX - object exchange (syncing contacts and whatnot)

[belerek]

belerek---
You take take your attitute toward me somewhere else. Make your post more clear next time and proof it so it makes sense!

This is funny. I really had nothing against you until your post just now. If you read my response to Deval, you'd know my remark to you was in no way sarcastic. I was trying to explain the concept of BT profiles. If you didn't understand it, well... sorry. Maybe someone who has more knowledge of BT can do a better job explaining.

As for proof, did the links I posted provide enough of it?

I mean you no disrespect, but your curt responses to me have me leaning the other way.

[belerek]

bluetooth should be enabled just without a lot of OBEX profiles most likely...sort of like the pm 325...it does have the DUN profile tho....

It does have the DUN profile? I thought it didn't. Can you site your sources? I'd love it if it did :).

From the TC article:
Unfortunently, Bluetooth on the Sprint unit that I had access to appears to be crippled. What Sprint has apparently done is turned off the ability for the Treo 650 to act as a modem for other devices, such as laptops or other PDAs. This is done using a Bluetooth profile called Dial Up Networking. In our conference call with Greg Shirai, we had been warned that some carriers may do this, as they do not support appropriate pricing plans. In the Sprint unit I worked with, there was no mention of Dial Up Networking. However, on an unbranded GSM unit shown in video created for broadcast journalists, it is clearly shown in a screenshot that Dial Up Networking support can be turned on and off. The lack of this option in the Sprint unit suggests that it will not even be a feature. Luckily, the hardware should still support it, so it is likely that all we need is a enterprising developer to create a fix for it.

[NoClones]

Maybe I expect to much from people, I don't attack others with smart ass comments because they misread a post, especially when it was my mistake for making the post uncomprehendable (sp). So, I'll leave it at that.

[belerek]

Maybe I expect to much from people, I don't attack others with smart ass comments because they misread a post, especially when it was my mistake for making the post uncomprehendable (sp). So, I'll leave it at that.

I still really don't know where I "attacked" you. I've already apologized for the statement that may have sounded sarcastic (which it wasn't). But I'm fine w/ letting bygones be bygones. If you still have a beef, pm me.

[ddpg]

Hopefully it will support the bluetooth serial profile... if it does, there may be a way to write some software to run a PPP connection over a bluetooth serial link with a laptop/desktop.

[Murcielago]

Maybe PDANet will work w/BlooToof. I hate how Sprint bastardizes BlooToof.
What? Sprint's only BT phone had full BT profiles. DUN, file transfers, headsets, automobile pairing, etc. Please explain.

Also, the Nokia phones have been cracked to work with #777, so I doubt that it will take long to enable BT DUN on the 650, even if it comes disabled from Sprint.

[HockeyFan]

From info released today the 650 will have:

Powered by the Palm OS 5.4 and an Intel PXA270 312 MHz processor
23 MB of memory
Built-in Bluetooth Wireless Technology provides the ability to wirelessly synchronize with Bluetooth-enabled desktop or laptop computers and easily connect with Bluetooth headsets and car kits (sold separately)
Embedded VGA-quality 2X digital zoom camera with video capture and playback capabilities.
A built-in SD I/O slot can be used for viewing pictures and sharing large data files between other devices with SD I/O and using the built-in MP3 player for playing music directly from the phone.
Candy-bar design has been refined with an improved backlit QWERTY keyboard with larger, flatter keys and high-resolution color display for improved visibility in sunlight.
Up to five hours of continuous digital talk time and over two weeks of digital standby time.

[Touchless21]

There is a GSM version of the T650, so Verizon & Cingular will be carrying it as well. A lot of the Sprint users on the TC forum are considering moving to Verizon b/c the GSM version is rumored to have EDGE capability.

I don't think you understood my post. It's not a matter of the phone having or not having BT, it's more like what profiles of BT does the phone have? For Sprint, the phone will be able to use BT headsets and sync with other BT devices. If you still don't know what I'm saying, read the BT section of this page:
http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/474-2.htm

Verizon is CDMA. The 650 will have EDGE for GSM. All the carriers will get the 650. I think Sprint will get it first this time around though.

[Noodle]

What? Sprint's only BT phone had full BT profiles. DUN, file transfers, headsets, automobile pairing, etc. Please explain.

Also, the Nokia phones have been cracked to work with #777, so I doubt that it will take long to enable BT DUN on the 650, even if it comes disabled from Sprint.
sorry a bit off topic but since when has the 6225 been #777 useable? I know a buch of people were messing with it for ir #777 but I haven't seen anything about even data cable #777 use

[mikec]

sorry a bit off topic but since when has the 6225 been #777 useable? I know a buch of people were messing with it for ir #777 but I haven't seen anything about even data cable #777 use

i second that...who has a 6225 working with #777?

impossible, we've been told.

[lgmayka]

i second that...who has a 6225 working with #777?

impossible, we've been told.
rpmoose reports success using the DKU-5 data cable:

http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42748&page=8

And dennispg reports success using infrared:

http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42748&page=7

[rodloos]

I agree w/ you. I may just go for the old T600 and save some money until a better Treo is available.

if you are interested in the T600, and have a Fry's Electronics near you, they have been selling the Treo 600 and Samsung i500 (new before rebate) for around $449 and $499 (I looked at both, can't remember which was which price), I guess to help clear them out before the new models come in.

[DJenders]

Just talked to my guy at Sprint, they are looking at launching Nov 20-25th and that DUN will be enabled with a software patch. AWESOME NEWS!

Dennis.

[IdlePaw]

To expand on DJenders news:

http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/481-1.htm

[Darkflight]

Well everyone did have to keep in mind the Treocentral article was based on a 'beta' version and not a official one so yes, the pr folk could be right that it can be enabled later which should keep you all happy for now...

[Ti-maniac]

Who cares? It's still gonna be a bad ass phone and everyone who likes PDA's, the Treo in particular, with BT will still buy it...only hardcore tech dorks will shy away from it cause of the lack of DUN profile...and that represents a VERY SMALL % of the total customer base...Get off the BT bashing. You asked for BT, now everyone's *****ing cause they can't use it as a modem. Get over it, buy an air-card or EV-DO card when they come out.

I'm then part of that small percentage. Without BT on the 650 or any other model for that matter, it just is not a viable option. BT enabled PCSVision is an absolute must for me to connect my laptop.

Sprint provides two basic services of significance -- phone, and Vision. If I don't have BT to get rid of the cable when I use vision, I will just continue to use my old A500 with a cable. iSync and other things just are not that important to warrant the conversion. Why bother?? If the large percentage thinks it is worth it then I feel sorry for them.

[morningstar1844]

I saw somewhere the last two days that one of Sprints' Exe's said that they will be release a patch to enable the dun. Saw it on Brighthand of similar web site like treonauts. Hope this is true. I don't plan to use it with a laptop but I am glad that other Sprint users will benefit from this feature be enabled!


Good Luck hope the posting is true!


hey no need to mock someone cuz they cant understand....but basically what you are saying is that DUN is disabled, but OBEX and OPP (i believe) along with HeadSet and HandsFree should work?

[Touchless21]

Weird, when you think about it. the Treo650 will be Sprint's 1st mainstream phone equipped with Bluetooth. SE doesn't count b/c it wasn't mainstream (regular customers never knew about it, and most still don't know you can buy it).

[labluver]

I think you are right about DUN not being loaded into the phone but I think you are wrong about OBEX. Here is a link to Sprints announcement of the Treo 650 (http://www3.sprint.com/PR/CDA/PR_CDA_Press_Releases_Detail/0,3681,1112251,00.html ) There you will find this quote ( Built-in Bluetooth® Wireless Technology provides the ability to wirelessly synchronize with Bluetooth-enabled desktop or laptop computers and easily connect with Bluetooth headsets and car kits (sold separately).) I think they are just leaving out the modem script. This should be pretty easy to fix (for someone who writes that sort of stuff anyways). Has anyone tried the program PDANet? This may be the solution. It doesn't work for the Mac, only PC's :mad:

[labluver]

PDA Net says it will release a version for the Treo 650 in the next couple of weeks and that they are considering support for BlueTooth. :D Only problem is that it doesn't work on Macs! :furious:

[billcrothers]

I saw a patch on this forum to fix the DUN on the treo 650 but can't find it now! Anyone know where I can find it?

[imtravis]

It's not here, but you can get it from shadowmite's website.