streaming live tv to A700 potentially possible?

[goblin]

ok, so here goes my very first post... i've been toying with the idea that we can stream from a tv tuner card on a computer to the MM-A700 via the Vision browser/Media Player combo...

why do i think it's possible? when you go into Media Player, Sprint TV pretty much limits you to selecting only the clips that they provide, right? well, if you check the properties of those clips, they're simply .3gp files streamed via RTSP. ok, check.

so how do we get OTHER .3gp files to stream? some other sites out there are already able to do so, and we can get to them via the Vision browser, www.zoovision.com, for example, which automatically pops open the Media Player for us when it recognizes such a link! nice, check, but this is still just video-on-demand.

so the idea is to obtain some software that will take a tv tuner card as input, and real-time encode it into .3gp format, not into a file, but into a RTSP stream. what software can do this? well, mpeg4ip for linux (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpeg4ip/) can do that and even downgrade the framerate to the supposed 15fps that the Media Player handles. check, but what's the catch.

the developers haven't included a .3gp encoding capability in the standard build, but claim to have received some contributed source code which provides that functionality. i can't find that particular source code anywhere, but have compiled the application otherwise on Fedora Core 2, and mp4live seems to work like a champ. if only i could find the .3gp code...

so, pardon my geeking out, but has anyone else given any thought to this? anyone feel like collaborating to try and get this to work?

what was my motivation? to be able to watch the red sox / yankees series from wherever i may be... :D

to summarize my idea:
tv tuner card on linux -> mpeg4ip -> .3gp -> RTSP -> Vision browser -> Media Player

EDIT: i obviously do not want MobiTV, so please don't tell me to use that. i want to be able to stream any channel i can receive on my home cable tv... :cool:

[3G Cables]

ok, so here goes my very first post... i've been toying with the idea that we can stream from a tv tuner card on a computer to the MM-A700 via the Vision browser/Media Player combo...

why do i think it's possible? when you go into Media Player, Sprint TV pretty much limits you to selecting only the clips that they provide, right? well, if you check the properties of those clips, they're simply .3gp files streamed via RTSP. ok, check.

so how do we get OTHER .3gp files to stream? some other sites out there are already able to do so, and we can get to them via the Vision browser, www.zoovision.com, for example, which automatically pops open the Media Player for us when it recognizes such a link! nice, check, but this is still just video-on-demand.

so the idea is to obtain some software that will take a tv tuner card as input, and real-time encode it into .3gp format, not into a file, but into a RTSP stream. what software can do this? well, mpeg4ip for linux (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpeg4ip/) can do that and even downgrade the framerate to the supposed 15fps that the Media Player handles. check, but what's the catch.

the developers haven't included a .3gp encoding capability in the standard build, but claim to have received some contributed source code which provides that functionality. i can't find that particular source code anywhere, but have compiled the application otherwise on Fedora Core 2, and mp4live seems to work like a champ. if only i could find the .3gp code...

so, pardon my geeking out, but has anyone else given any thought to this? anyone feel like collaborating to try and get this to work?

what was my motivation? to be able to watch the red sox / yankees series from wherever i may be... :D

to summarize my idea:
tv tuner card on linux -> mpeg4ip -> .3gp -> RTSP -> Vision browser -> Media Player

EDIT: i obviously do not want MobiTV, so please don't tell me to use that. i want to be able to stream any channel i can receive on my home cable tv... :cool:

VERY cool! The only problem I see is getting the stream into a folder or root of the Media player. Maybe that is not necessary, just put it in am html format, but I think it must be in the Media Player folder to achieve the higher quality and better frame rates? Maybe not?

[goblin]

VERY cool! The only problem I see is getting the stream into a folder or root of the Media player. Maybe that is not necessary, just put it in am html format, but I think it must be in the Media Player folder to achieve the higher quality and better frame rates? Maybe not?

that's not a problem at all (at least i don't THINK it is...). think of it this way, when you click a link in Internet Explorer which pops up Windows Media Player to play a file, the player will play the file to the best of its ability. it's the exact same thing here. within the Vision browser, do a Menu -> 7 to Go to URL and pop in a properly formatted/reflected .3gp stream or follow a link from an html page, like you said (zoovision for example), and the Media Player comes up automatically. at no point do you need to worry about the folder structure in the Media Player itself because you're never manually starting it up! :)

[3G Cables]

that's not a problem at all (at least i don't THINK it is...). think of it this way, when you click a link in Internet Explorer which pops up Windows Media Player to play a file, the player will play the file to the best of its ability. it's the exact same thing here. within the Vision browser, do a Menu -> 7 to Go to URL and pop in a properly formatted/reflected .3gp stream or follow a link from an html page, like you said (zoovision for example), and the Media Player comes up automatically. at no point do you need to worry about the folder structure in the Media Player itself because you're never manually starting it up! :)

Was thinking of it more like a bookmark. Samsung just made a neat “Media Player” shortcut with “bookmarks” in them and some of them are in folders. So yes, I think your theory would work out. Lets get it going! Maybe this app will let you do it, let me know http://stream-down.cocsoft.com/

I know it is not Linux but it may just work.

[goblin]

Was thinking of it more like a bookmark. Samsung just made a neat “Media Player” shortcut with “bookmarks” in them and some of them are in folders. So yes, I think your theory would work out. Lets get it going! Maybe this app will let you do it, let me know http://stream-down.cocsoft.com/

I know it is not Linux but it may just work.
ah i see, yeah the bookmark thing makes sense too. as for that app, it's not really what we'll need. it's more for trying to download media that providers have tried to limit to streaming-only.

i'm pretty sure that at this point, mpeg4ip is the way to go/our best bet, we just need to somehow find that .3gp encoding capability source code...

[3G Cables]

ah i see, yeah the bookmark thing makes sense too. as for that app, it's not really what we'll need. it's more for trying to download media that providers have tried to limit to streaming-only.

i'm pretty sure that at this point, mpeg4ip is the way to go/our best bet, we just need to somehow find that .3gp encoding capability source code...

I get 27 hits in Google when I search for ".3gp encoding"

[goblin]

I get 27 hits in Google when I search for ".3gp encoding"
lol, if it were that easy, i would be posting a complete solution instead of crying out for help. :D

as a side note, a site in norway is already playing with streaming live tv over 3gp... i'm having all kinds of issues with it dying after the first few frames when i load it up, but the potential is there... the wap site was "wap.nrk.no" iirc...

[jdb8167]

owhat was my motivation? to be able to watch the red sox / yankees series from wherever i may be... :DAre you sure you want to watch? Yeesh. Cool idea though.

Have you checked out Apple's free RTSP streaming server, it claims 3gpp streaming capability.
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/faq.html

[goblin]

Are you sure you want to watch? Yeesh. Cool idea though.

Have you checked out Apple's free RTSP streaming server, it claims 3gpp streaming capability.
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/faq.html
of course i want to watch, they're going to come back! :)

yeah, darwin is one of the first things that i looked at and played with, but the problem is, the Quicktime Broadcaster package that i would need in conjunction with darwin to capture the tv and compress/encode it, costs money, and it only runs on a powerpc... sorenson broadcast for windows seems like it would work, but again, more money...

[3G Cables]

of course i want to watch, they're going to come back! :)

yeah, darwin is one of the first things that i looked at and played with, but the problem is, the Quicktime Broadcaster package that i would need in conjunction with darwin to capture the tv and compress/encode it, costs money, and it only runs on a powerpc... sorenson broadcast for windows seems like it would work, but again, more money...

I have an old PowerPC I can donate (remotely of course =) and use it as the server if necessary.

[goblin]

I have an old PowerPC I can donate (remotely of course =) and use it as the server if necessary.
the powerpc would have to do it all... have a tv tuner card, perform the encoding, broadcasting, etc. don't think that i'd be able to set all that up remotely, esp. since i've never used a powerpc before... :cool:

[qwestcell]

what would be better than streaming TV on yoru phone?
streaming video off your CPU liek downloaded movies/flics that i have on my CPU, THAT would be awesome, btu i knwo potentially impossible.


and being a sox fan i too would LOVE to get sox/yankees at work csince i work at qwest til 10 PM every night :(

[3G Cables]

what would be better than streaming TV on yoru phone?
streaming video off your CPU liek downloaded movies/flics that i have on my CPU, THAT would be awesome, btu i knwo potentially impossible.


and being a sox fan i too would LOVE to get sox/yankees at work csince i work at qwest til 10 PM every night :(

There is no way my power PC could do it all. It is a 100MHz machine. hehehhee

[goblin]

what would be better than streaming TV on yoru phone?
streaming video off your CPU liek downloaded movies/flics that i have on my CPU, THAT would be awesome, btu i knwo potentially impossible.


and being a sox fan i too would LOVE to get sox/yankees at work csince i work at qwest til 10 PM every night :(
that's actually not as impossible as you may think... it's actually MUCH easier to just take a regular video file, convert it to .3gp format and just stream that out... it's the real-time conversion that's more difficult...

if you wanted to do that movie thing, you should look into Nokia's Multimedia Converter 2.0 or some other free tools out there that will create the .3gp files for you. then you could use Darwin's Streaming Server, as was suggested above, to stream them out onto the net for your phone...



There is no way my power PC could do it all. It is a 100MHz machine. hehehhee
lol, guess we can scratch that off the list... :hee:

[jdb8167]

the powerpc would have to do it all... have a tv tuner card, perform the encoding, broadcasting, etc. don't think that i'd be able to set all that up remotely, esp. since i've never used a powerpc before... :cool:I have most of the equipment needed. A decently fast 1.3 GHz G4. A good broadband connection. A dyndns IP. I also have a analog to firewire converter box. The only problem is that I need a TV tuner. My last VCR bit the dust years ago and I'm not about to move my TiVo from my living room. But a cheap VCR should do it and I bet I can get one for about $60 at Walmart. A very intriguing idea.

I think the game will be rained out tonight (10/15) so I might be able to do this over the weekend. I think I will install Darwin Streaming Server on my webserver and see what happens. This is a very cool idea. It would be cool to stream the Pats game on Sunday too (going for 20 in a row, 17 regular season in row).

[goblin]

I have most of the equipment needed. A decently fast 1.3 GHz G4. A good broadband connection. A dyndns IP. I also have a analog to firewire converter box. The only problem is that I need a TV tuner. My last VCR bit the dust years ago and I'm not about to move my TiVo from my living room. But a cheap VCR should do it and I bet I can get one for about $60 at Walmart. A very intriguing idea.

I think the game will be rained out tonight (10/15) so I might be able to do this over the weekend. I think I will install Darwin Streaming Server on my webserver and see what happens. This is a very cool idea. It would be cool to stream the Pats game on Sunday too (going for 20 in a row, 17 regular season in row).
nice, give it a shot, and let us know how it goes... as for mpeg4ip, it doesn't look like the developer is planning on adding the functionality that i'm talking about anytime soon:
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1106957&forum_id=59136
but i'm still going to play around and see what i can do...

Go Sox! Go Pats!

[goblin]

looks like the functionality may be getting added sooner than expected:
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1106957&forum_id=59136

By: Robert Szelepcsenyi - robsze
RE: about H263
2004-10-16 12:16
I have had almost full support for 3gp since the beginning of this year. I just did not have time to submit it. Unfortunately, at that time I added 3gp support the current version was 0.9.9, so the code is mostly out of date.

Recently, I got live 3gp streaming working on a Nokia 6230 phone. Now i am extending it to other types of 3gp enabled phones, e.g. smartphones with RealOne player.
some guy already has the mpeg4ip solution working with his nokia 6230! :)

[ctnchrisw]

I tried encoding a video to 3gp in quick time, but I get "unspecified error" going to the link. Does anyone know the mime type for 3gp, I think that may be my problem.

edit: video/3gp and nope no go :|
edit 2: oh you have to use rtsp... any rtsp servers for linux that support 3gp?

[goblin]

yep, Darwin Streaming Server...
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/

but are you encoding the video in real-time coming off of a tv tuner card?
or are you just creating video-on-demand .3gp files?

[ctnchrisw]

yep, Darwin Streaming Server...
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/

but are you encoding the video in real-time coming off of a tv tuner card?
or are you just creating video-on-demand .3gp files?
Im starting out with video on demand. Might look into real time once I get a new pc built, since the tuner is in this one and wouldnt work good with me using it at the same time lol duron :S

[eclipxe]

M2Stream is currently working on this as we speak. We have had a few private contracts to develop this technology and will be rolling it into our consumer software by Jan.

:)

[maxfieldd]

M2Stream is currently working on this as we speak. We have had a few private contracts to develop this technology and will be rolling it into our consumer software by Jan.

:)

My A700 just got a little cooler because you said this. Are you going to be offering cotent, or is it going to be server oriented similer to your glorious current service?

[goblin]

M2Stream is currently working on this as we speak. We have had a few private contracts to develop this technology and will be rolling it into our consumer software by Jan.

:)
same question to you as to the previous member then... is your technology going to allow streaming from a tv tuner card? or just the ability to stream prerecorded video files like you allow streaming of mp3s? if it's the live tv that i've been talking about, then VERY COOL. how much would this software cost?

[zaphod]

There is a user here on this forum, SpineDoc, who claims to be doing this very thing right now. I read this thread because I thought maybe he would chime in, but not so far. PM him.

[goblin]

There is a user here on this forum, SpineDoc, who claims to be doing this very thing right now. I read this thread because I thought maybe he would chime in, but not so far. PM him.
nah, very different from what we're trying to do...
he's got the new smart phone and is able to view his snapstream beyondtv server using the built-in internet explorer interface... much too easy to do it that way... :-)

[zaphod]

nah, very different from what we're trying to do...
he's got the new smart phone and is able to view his snapstream beyondtv server using the built-in internet explorer interface... much too easy to do it that way... :-)Ah, sorry, MM700 vs A700. I wish manufacturers would use NAMES rather than obscure model numbers to identify phones. It's really hard to keep them all straight :huh:

[3G Cables]

Ah, sorry, MM700 vs A700. I wish manufacturers would use NAMES rather than obscure model numbers to identify phones. It's really hard to keep them all straight :huh:

That was not the confusion. He is using a Smartphone which is not an MM700 or A700. The MM-A700 and A700 are the same phone.

[SpineDoc]

nah, very different from what we're trying to do...
he's got the new smart phone and is able to view his snapstream beyondtv server using the built-in internet explorer interface... much too easy to do it that way... :-)

......... :)

[Maokh]

Be sure to add the word MM7400 to the thread topic as well. That site works great.

[elbombillo]

If it does work on your phone do you think it will work on the Sanyo VM4500 or treo650? If you show me how to set it up I will host the Playboy channel for everyone. I have an extra computer with a tv tunner and cablebox.

[ctnchrisw]

If it does work on your phone do you think it will work on the Sanyo VM4500 or treo650? If you show me how to set it up I will host the Playboy channel for everyone. I have an extra computer with a tv tunner and cablebox.
only works on the mm phones

[Maokh]

VERY cool! The only problem I see is getting the stream into a folder or root of the Media player. Maybe that is not necessary, just put it in am html format, but I think it must be in the Media Player folder to achieve the higher quality and better frame rates? Maybe not?

You want a media player menu like SprintTV/etc? No more WAP pages?

That is very easy to do. Just make an MCD.

[A six double 0]

But wouldn't you also have to have something like a licence agreement with the networks, to rebroadcast their signal?

[ctnchrisw]

But wouldn't you also have to have something like a licence agreement with the networks, to rebroadcast their signal?
How are they going to find out? Its only gonna be you accessing your own content, not making a site with copyrighted materials for everyone to use.

[ill]

hows the progress? i read through this thread yesterday and decided to give it a try..video on demand. i set up darwin on windows xp, wasn't fun, got it working though. i can't get it to work on the phone though. error 415. have you gotten it to work ctnchris? i tried 3gp, .mp4, m4a, and mov....i couldnt get darwin to work behind my router though so i'll have to work at that still.

[goblin]

the CVS version of mpeg4ip now has the .3gp/h.263/AMR output capabilities that i was talking about! if "CVS" has absolutely no meaning for you, then just wait for the official mpeg4ip version 1.2 coming out in a couple of weeks which will include those capabilities... i do not have the spare hardware right now to do the full testing, but i have compiled the CVS code just fine under Fedora Core 3 (linux)... you can choose the tv tuner card as input, select the output formats and framerates (this is key, since our media players only do 15fps)... darwin streaming server works just fine under Fedora as well... if only i had a spare machine... :cool:

[3G Cables]

the CVS version of mpeg4ip now has the .3gp/h.263/AMR output capabilities that i was talking about! if "CVS" has absolutely no meaning for you, then just wait for the official mpeg4ip version 1.2 coming out in a couple of weeks which will include those capabilities... i do not have the spare hardware right now to do the full testing, but i have compiled the CVS code just fine under Fedora Core 3 (linux)... you can choose the tv tuner card as input, select the output formats and framerates (this is key, since our media players only do 15fps)... darwin streaming server works just fine under Fedora as well... if only i had a spare machine... :cool:

What would be the spare machine minimum requirements?

[goblin]

What would be the spare machine minimum requirements?

to run Fedora Core 3, at a MINIMUM you need a pII 400MHz, 1.1GB HD, 256MB RAM, but consider that mpeg4ip will require much more than that... i would probably say something like at least a pIII 1GHz, 20GB drive, 512MB RAM would be a good building platform... naturally, it would also need a supported tv tuner card and a broadband connection...

[ctnchrisw]

hows the progress? i read through this thread yesterday and decided to give it a try..video on demand. i set up darwin on windows xp, wasn't fun, got it working though. i can't get it to work on the phone though. error 415. have you gotten it to work ctnchris? i tried 3gp, .mp4, m4a, and mov....i couldnt get darwin to work behind my router though so i'll have to work at that still.
lol I skimmed the apple page and cant even find the download link. I cant test anything right now because my pc died and I had to format and install windows on my linux box so I could use my design programs. Newegg has so far sent me two bad motherboards, hopefully the next will work.

[steveholtam]

Cool stuff in this thread! Keep posting progress reports please. This sounds like a very cool application for our phones. I have an extra PC that sounds like it would work, but VERY little experience with linux (just enough to install a larger drive in my Tivo).

Steve

[dapaine]

whats the latest on this guys? I have been trying to get video on demand but dont know much about hosting a streaming server???

[ctnchrisw]

anyone get anywhere with this? I finally got off my ass and got linux back in my pc, so im gonna try messing with it soon

[VoXPCS]

I'm thinking of trying this myself now, I don't fully understand what type of file my phone would have to download. .3gp I know but What would trigger the multimedia player to run?

[goblin]

I'm thinking of trying this myself now, I don't fully understand what type of file my phone would have to download. .3gp I know but What would trigger the multimedia player to run?
the multimedia player would get started if the linked URL called for the rtsp protocol, specifically something like:

rtsp://servername.domainname.com/filename.3gp

i haven't had any time/spare machines to play with this yet either, but i'll try to help you guys test it out if you have any theoretical questions... :)

[jrholod]

Goblin, sounds like you might need another liniux user around. I've read your post and I'm very intersted in helping it move along. I have the A700. I have the tuner card, also. I would like to experiment with converting a few of my fav mp3's and ogg's to 3pg's. I run a web server out of the basement as well. Not good for computing or streaming (166 pentium, drake 9.2 server with command-line only) but I could host a converted 3pg file.

I'll be experimenting with this sometime this week.

What can I do to help you?

[Sandiegodude]

Let's get this bad boy off the ground!!!!

[eunice3]

I'm thinking of trying this myself now, I don't fully understand what type of file my phone would have to download. .3gp I know but What would trigger the multimedia player to run?


Have you had any luck I am also a member on 3gzro (beta), we have video_clips but I just can't figure it out please help!!!!!!!!! :(

[ScrapMaker]

I was wondering when Exclipse was gonna chime in!!

mmmm m2video

[KevC84]

It is now April and still no information on this streaming media. What's going on?? Did everyone give up? C'mon don't give up now. I love this forum, so many smart heads and lots of great information. I would have thought someone would have had something up by now. I wish I could help. I have a TV Tuner on my PC and a broadband connection but I don't know how to run a server and my PC does not run Linux so I guess I can't. I have the MM-5600.

[ScrapMaker]

yes it is 100% possible.

[TheDarkAbyss]

Ya gotta be careful with Helix on a windows system because windows firewall will block the ports necessary to connect, so make sure they are unblocked, dont know which they are on your system, depends on what you set them to be.
There are other rstp streaming programs, i do not recommend using a windows machine. if ya got linux or a mac you're better off

[sitlet]

i tried helix server, but i didnt have the right license to stream mp4 files. so i got darwin server from apple and i got it to work perfectly. i will be making a COMPLETE how to in the next day or so to post on here for everyone. i know there is another how to thread in the other forum, but that one didnt explain it too well

[ctnchrisw]

i tried helix server, but i didnt have the right license to stream mp4 files. so i got darwin server from apple and i got it to work perfectly. i will be making a COMPLETE how to in the next day or so to post on here for everyone. i know there is another how to thread in the other forum, but that one didnt explain it too well
was this ever posted?

[sitlet]

sorry for not posting the how-to. ive been really busy lately with school wrapping up and an accident i got into last week. tommorow (thursday) is my last day of school, so i will work on it tommorow night hopfully.

[goblin]

btw, not sure if everyone knows this, but the fox news channel is now broadcasting live stream via sprint tv, not just few-minute clips anymore!

[3G Cables]

btw, not sure if everyone knows this, but the fox news channel is now broadcasting live stream via sprint tv, not just few-minute clips anymore!

I know, and it’s awesome! Now we need to figure out how to do the same thing using our own server and our own source such as satellite TV =) I would be willing to supply the source since I have pretty much 500 channels =)

[ScrapMaker]

there are several companies, (that I personally know of,) that are almost done with this very thing... not to mention the ability to stream any movie on your hdd to your phone

this will take off big with the release of EV-DO network-capable phones.

[3G Cables]

there are several companies, (that I personally know of,) that are almost done with this very thing... not to mention the ability to stream any movie on your hdd to your phone

this will take off big with the release of EV-DO network-capable phones.

Please post here when any of those companies have the software ready to sell.

[ScrapMaker]

I'd love to, but I'd probably get banned, being associated with them and all... I've already been threatened before, for just mentioning the product.

[3G Cables]

I'd love to, but I'd probably get banned, being associated with them and all... I've already been threatened before, for just mentioning the product.

All you have to do is say "I know of a product that will do this and it is ready" and people will PM you if interested. That is not against the rules.

[ScrapMaker]

k I'll do that then.

[Clash]

well, using the helix server and encoder, I've been able to encode my own .3gp files and stream them (not live, but pre-encoded 3gp files.... still lots of fun though (watching family guy is a blast, hehe).), but when I've tried to use "Helix Mobile Producer 10 Live" instead of the "Offline version", I (think) that I've been able to point to the correct .SDP file (No 404 Error - File not Found), but I always get an error "RTSP Error 408: Server timed out. The web page or document you requested was not returned in a timely manner. Please try again." Any ideas?

BTW, I've been using these as reference guides:

http://docs.real.com/docs/mobileproducer10/HelixMobileProducer10.pdf

http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2327.html

I am just wondering if it is the cell and/or the Sprint Media Player... although the tags that they have at the bottom (for the sprint media player) do remind me of how you can add information to .SDP files... hmm...

[ctnchrisw]

btw, not sure if everyone knows this, but the fox news channel is now broadcasting live stream via sprint tv, not just few-minute clips anymore!
yeah, too bad it buffers every 2 seconds for me

[scott_high]

I looked at the Darwin, but want to be able to do it on XP. Has anyone else tried to figure out how to use videolan client? You can read about it at videolan.org. There is a client that acts as a server. There is another product called videolan server, but looks to be an older product. The videolan client is our best bet to use as a streamer. I have successfully used it to stream live DV from my camcorder to windows media player, ala windows media encoder. It support .3dp and rtsp, but I can't seem to get the two to work together. Not sure if it is possible or not. Those of you with a little more know how, might want to take a look at it. It runs on XP and alot of other platforms as well.

Hope we can get this going. I have found some J2ME programs that will do this.

[netjunnkie]

www.orb.com and it is free. all you got to do is have a broadband connection and a tv card. so they say.

Though I have not tried it yet I will hope it does what it says it does

[scott_high]

We want to stream using the built in player in the multimedia phones

[ScrapMaker]

no, orb streams to the sprint media player in the phone.

unfortunately doesn't work very well.. as I tried EVERYTHING... and I'm even in the industry...

[Timmy11]

So I just found this thread...is it a lost cause or are we still working on it? I am trying to do it just for a live audio stream from the line in port on my computer. Anyone got anything?

[ScrapMaker]

Timmy11, that's something m2audio has been working on for a while, and I'm not sure if it's in the latest release, but it's ready as far as I know...

the reason for it was mainly playing satellite radio from the computer to the cellphone.

[Clash]

Eh, I tried the Orb service.... it worked for audio, but for video, it'll just load up (for me at least) the MM Player for a sec and then it will go back to the web browser :-|

[nzaw4]

Yes orb works with the mp3's nice, and the pics acutally get resized to fit in my pictuers, yea i got a 3gp file that's for the 5600 tried to load it, when to the MM player but RSTC timed out or something. anyways really cool. seems really close to finding something that willwork!

[nzaw4]

whoa acutally i got a 3gp file working, i just downloaded http://digidownload.libero.it/klitecode/mirror/quicktimealt147.exe, and i loaded this family guy clip, it runs, , i get a picture and sound but the picture isnt right all missized and eveyrthing, but hey just another step closer

[ScrapMaker]

wow, you actually got orb to work? I tried for days, until I just gave up.

[nzaw4]

yea, acutally i did, just cant find the correct type of video to play on my 7400.

[ScrapMaker]

orb should be able to stream any video

that means you didn't get it to work

[nzaw4]

?? no i got it 2 work, the 3g2 file i am streaming just donst fit the "screen" i get the sound, and a part of the video. So Yes i Guess i DID get it to work with that file. Just need the correct type of Conversion...... Andyrm2001 got a 3g2 file that worked perfectly, i just need to kno the settings of that converion, i tried all the 5600 spec's on converting a 3gp file. i got it 2 work, just need it so i can acutally view it normally, instead of partially and with like green on the screen. the sound while the "video" playing is great. so acutallt Yes i got it to Work

[Clash]

Wirelessly posted (sanyo 7400: Mozilla/4.0 (MobilePhone MM-7400/US/1.0) NetFront/3.1 MMP/2.0)

From My Understanding On Orb's Message Board, 3gpp Has Not Yet Been Implemented Yet, But Real Be Soon... Until Then I Will Just Keep Streaming Video Through The Helix Server And Mobile Encoder Stuff... I Have Had Them Running For A While.

[ScrapMaker]

what kind of fps do you get on that old 7400?

[nzaw4]

i have no idea on how many fps, but a good example of what i see if you have a 7400, is at http://www.geocities.com/andy2001rm/ his site streams flawlessly on my 7400, wayy faster than mobi, and just as good as sprinttv if not better, so i assume atleast 15 fps

[Chris Price]

Orb's problem right now is they aren't post-processing for 3GPP very well. They're leaving it to the codec and hopeful it all comes out right. An easy way to check is to pull up the Orb stream from 3GPP in QuickTime (Mac, the Win version will probably tap the same codec) and see how it comes out.

Anyways, Orb and Sprint are partners now... I can't say what that means here, but, I'll let you draw conclusions on your own...

[3G Cables]

Orb's problem right now is they aren't post-processing for 3GPP very well. They're leaving it to the codec and hopeful it all comes out right. An easy way to check is to pull up the Orb stream from 3GPP in QuickTime (Mac, the Win version will probably tap the same codec) and see how it comes out.

Anyways, Orb and Sprint are partners now... I can't say what that means here, but, I'll let you draw conclusions on your own...

Orb kicks ass! However it works on very few phones. At least the ones I have tried. Many phones *work* with it but only allow for picture view and such but to get the streaming video going I have only found 1 phone that it works on. The PPC from Sprint.

Is there any other phones that support streaming video? Is there a list someone has compiled somewhere?

[Chris Price]

Orb listened... read more below...

http://orb.blogs.com/orbcasting/2005/08/ituneslike_popu.html

[ScrapMaker]

posting a blog as a source really doesn't do much for me.

blogs are worthless, informationless, un-supported, and a waste of time for readers. (most of the time)

[Chris Price]

posting a blog as a source really doesn't do much for me.

blogs are worthless, informationless, un-supported, and a waste of time for readers. (most of the time)

That is Orb's official site, in case you didn't notice, where they confirmed PCS Intel's reporting that Orb is now compatible with Sprint TV phones.

I think your bias against blogs has blinded you in this matter.

[3G Cables]

That is Orb's official site, in case you didn't notice, where they confirmed PCS Intel's reporting that Orb is now compatible with Sprint TV phones.

I think your bias against blogs has blinded you in this matter.

Bolgs are fine and Chris, I appreciate your posts. However I know first hand that it is not true. It "works" so technically they are correct. But you can only use the streaming video function with one phone that I know of. In fact I know it will *not* work on the Samsung A800, LG PM325, and many other MM phones I tried. Sure it works to view pictures but not listen to mp3 or watch any streaming TV. =( Wish it did.

The only Sprint phone I got it working with (all functions was the PPC-6600)

[Chris Price]

The PM-325 is not a MM-class phone. It doesn't support 3GPP to begin with.

As to the MM-A800, I haven't tested that one yet. I've only tried it on a MM-535, however, the standards are universal between Sprint TV phones, so, it sounds like a web backend hurdle in Orb's web interface, there's nothing in the codecs or the phone that would intentionally block it.

The only function that is being attempted to support at this time is Live TV streaming. I just want to make it clear that MP3 and stored video streaming will not work at this time due to codec problems.

In other words, at this point I'd say give it some time. Orb is updating their page daily at times, weekly at worst, so, it's only a matter of time before every MM-class phone will work.

[3G Cables]

The PM-325 is not a MM-class phone. It doesn't support 3GPP to begin with.

As to the MM-A800, I haven't tested that one yet. I've only tried it on a MM-535, however, the standards are universal between Sprint TV phones, so, it sounds like a web backend hurdle in Orb's web interface, there's nothing in the codecs or the phone that would intentionally block it.

The only function that is being attempted to support at this time is Live TV streaming. I just want to make it clear that MP3 and stored video streaming will not work at this time due to codec problems.

In other words, at this point I'd say give it some time. Orb is updating their page daily at times, weekly at worst, so, it's only a matter of time before every MM-class phone will work.

Yea, I am aware of the 325 situation but someone said they got it working so I tested it for S’s and Giggles.

Later I will test the 535. Sounds promising but not from what I have experienced thus far.

I tested the streaming TV functions with the channels they had available by default. They only worked on the PPC-6600.

AWESOME idea and I know they are close!

[ScrapMaker]

it only works on PDA phones as far as I'm aware... since the company I'm involved with is a direct competitor... I have to use crap like orb to get a feel for it...

orb sucks unless you use a pda phone... on that note, it works wonders on the audiovox 6600!

[3G Cables]

it only works on PDA phones as far as I'm aware... since the company I'm involved with is a direct competitor... I have to use crap like orb to get a feel for it...

orb sucks unless you use a pda phone... on that note, it works wonders on the audiovox 6600!

ok, if Orb is crap then what is an alternative? Vaporware does not count. It must be something available now.

[Chris Price]

Yea, I am aware of the 325 situation but someone said they got it working so I tested it for S’s and Giggles.

Later I will test the 535. Sounds promising but not from what I have experienced thus far.

I tested the streaming TV functions with the channels they had available by default. They only worked on the PPC-6600.

AWESOME idea and I know they are close!

Whoa... I think that's your problem. The "default" channels are internet TV channels. Those are not supported, and will not work because they cannot be converted to proper 3GPP streams.

Orb only works with LIVE TV on MM-class phones. The kind where you have to have a capture card in your computer streaming cable or satellite TV from your PC.

[ckool17]

ZOOVISION.COM now has 3 full length older movies, including Night of the living Dead in its entirety streemed to your phone

[ScrapMaker]

I doubt your battery would last 30 minutes though... can you bookmark your place in the movie? or fast-forward?

[3G Cables]

Whoa... I think that's your problem. The "default" channels are internet TV channels. Those are not supported, and will not work because they cannot be converted to proper 3GPP streams.

Orb only works with LIVE TV on MM-class phones. The kind where you have to have a capture card in your computer streaming cable or satellite TV from your PC.

Ok, I will test that when I get a chance but why do most MM phones not support even simply mp3 playback?

[3G Cables]

I doubt your battery would last 30 minutes though... can you bookmark your place in the movie? or fast-forward?

Still waiting for the alternative for the *crappy* Orb program?

[Chris Price]

Ok, I will test that when I get a chance but why do most MM phones not support even simply mp3 playback?

Downloading, saving, and then playing back an MP3 it does. But, Orb is centered around streaming audio and video, and MM-class phones will stream 3GPP audio, but not MP3 audio.

Eventually, Orb will have new codecs that will facilitate MP3 to 3GPP conversion. Trust me, getting one set of codecs (MPEG2 to 3GPP) is a lot easier than making a program that supports MP3, MP4, AAC, MPEG1, MPEG4, DIVX, WMV, QuickTime (and all QT codecs), etc, etc. Orb will get to that, it just will take some more time.

[Chris Price]

I doubt your battery would last 30 minutes though... can you bookmark your place in the movie? or fast-forward?

Again, at this time Orb will only work with LIVE TV on Sprint TV phones. The media player plays it like a Sprint TV stream. Now, you do have the option from within the Orb phone menu to record, but you cannot pause and replay Live TV... it's just not a part of the 3GPP spec to send that info back to the sever.

As to the battery, most Sprint TV phones can get well over an hour, and most over 90 minutes of Live TV before needing a recharge, and of course there are also extended batteries for most MM-class phones.

[3G Cables]

Downloading, saving, and then playing back an MP3 it does. But, Orb is centered around streaming audio and video, and MM-class phones will stream 3GPP audio, but not MP3 audio.

Eventually, Orb will have new codecs that will facilitate MP3 to 3GPP conversion. Trust me, getting one set of codecs (MPEG2 to 3GPP) is a lot easier than making a program that supports MP3, MP4, AAC, MPEG1, MPEG4, DIVX, WMV, QuickTime (and all QT codecs), etc, etc. Orb will get to that, it just will take some more time.

Ok, makes sense. So I need to interface my satellite TV to my home PC then I can stream the audio and video from that since it goes through the Orb app which makes it 3GPP right? Then it will work on any MM phone because it sees it like a SprintTV or MobiTV stream right?

[Chris Price]

Ok, makes sense. So I need to interface my satellite TV to my home PC then I can stream the audio and video from that since it goes through the Orb app which makes it 3GPP right? Then it will work on any MM phone because it sees it like a SprintTV or MobiTV stream right?

It should, the Orb 3GP file meets Sprint TV specs. I've only tried it on the 535 (and PPC-6600), but I would be shocked if it didn't work on other MM phones... the 535 never is more compatible than other phones, the browser doesn't even post-process the file, so it can't be the 535's openwave implementation.

Just make sure your card works with Orb per their site.

I'd go to a Sprint Store to test them out there... but the local affiliate (UbiquiHell™) Sprint Store and I are at war, I've even had their store removed from the Sprint Store Locator online...

[3G Cables]

It should, the Orb 3GP file meets Sprint TV specs. I've only tried it on the 535 (and PPC-6600), but I would be shocked if it didn't work on other MM phones... the 535 never is more compatible than other phones, the browser doesn't even post-process the file, so it can't be the 535's openwave implementation.

Just make sure your card works with Orb per their site.

I'd go to a Sprint Store to test them out there... but the local affiliate (UbiquiHell™) Sprint Store and I are at war, I've even had their store removed from the Sprint Store Locator online...

I have a corporate Sprint store less than a mile from me. A brand new one that just opened a few months ago in Hollywood, CA. The tech there is pretty good however he told me EV-DO has been out for a long time now and that the PPC-6600 is EV-DO compatible without any hacks including the PRL hack. Is this true?
I dont think so but that would be awesome!
:fingers:

[Chris Price]

No, Sprint has confirmed to PCS Intel an update will be required, and will be offered. Sprint says that it will not be able to release it until 2006 likely, but, SPI Labs (part of Sprint PCS Info) is confident we will be able to release an unofficial update shortly after the launch of consumer EV-DO.

[3G Cables]

No, Sprint has confirmed to PCS Intel an update will be required, and will be offered. Sprint says that it will not be able to release it until 2006 likely, but, SPI Labs (part of Sprint PCS Info) is confident we will be able to release an unofficial update shortly after the launch of consumer EV-DO.

I thought the dude was misinformed and I was insisting on it with him but he wouldn’t back down and insisted EV-DO has been released and the PPC-6600 with its latest firmware update has it. I told him, that’s strange, this PPC-6600 as the store demo does not have an EV-DO icon and we are in an EV-DO area as shown on the map on the Sprint website for high speed data in orange. So he got thought it may not have the latest firmware upgrade. So he flagged the PPC for an update and we pulled down the latest update. Then I tried Orb again, it worked but it was obvious it was not EV-DO nor any EV-DO icon was on the phone. Funny thing is, those TV stations we talked about earlier, the default ones, DID work. But I guess that makes sense since they were being played through the Windows Media Player and not a Sprint phone MM player.

So the BIG question, when will the consumer launch of EV-DO happen? Or any of your educated guesses or speculation?

[Chris Price]

It would make sense to launch it on Day 1... September 2nd... but any date in September to October is in play. It could be delayed if some launch phones slip, Sprint wants a robust launch and it can't just be the 6700.

[3G Cables]

It would make sense to launch it on Day 1... September 2nd... but any date in September to October is in play. It could be delayed if some launch phones slip, Sprint wants a robust launch and it can't just be the 6700.

Thanks for the info! I am sure you will have it on Sprintpcsinfo.com when it is ready.

[Chris Price]

Not to be promoting, but the news is on PCS Intel. SPI is for R&D (unofficial PPC-6600 updates for example) and consumer advocacy (ranting about Sprint not fixing FOTA in non-1.1 FOTA phones).

[3G Cables]

Not to be promoting, but the news is on PCS Intel. SPI is for R&D (unofficial PPC-6600 updates for example) and consumer advocacy (ranting about Sprint not fixing FOTA in non-1.1 FOTA phones).

I understand :) On that note, I think that Sprint is not allowing for end users to FOTA because they fear of the update being grabbed and disassembled by a hacker and getting their proprietary firmware info which could be used for malicious intent. They make such a huge stink about their security so this is my guess.

[goldenzeus]

i have found and open source emulator mac os x emulator that runs mac os x on pc
http://pearlpc.sourceforge.net

[eclipxe]

i have found and open source emulator mac os x emulator that runs mac os x on pc
http://pearlpc.sourceforge.net

Why not just install OSX directly on Intel hardware and dualboot?
www.osx86project.org

[Chris Price]

Because that would be illegal :)

Anyways, what does Mac/PearPC have to do with this thread?

[Chris Price]

I understand :) On that note, I think that Sprint is not allowing for end users to FOTA because they fear of the update being grabbed and disassembled by a hacker and getting their proprietary firmware info which could be used for malicious intent. They make such a huge stink about their security so this is my guess.

But Sprint is allowing end users to FOTA, their devices simply need the Update Phone SW option... and if you really wanted to track down the FOTA URL you can. But, the binaries are solid files, you'd have to waste a lot of phones to hex edit something to even show some form of a change.

[ScrapMaker]

how the hell did this get to osx dualboot? amazing.

[goldenzeus]

u can user apple to stream videos to your phone since it supports 3gp

[Chris Price]

u can user apple to stream videos to your phone since it supports 3gp

Wow... I guess it's hard to open Windows Media Player or QuickTime for Windows...

Anyways, that would only work for people running Linux on 10 GHz PCs...

[will_z32]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/4.0 (MobilePhone MM-7400/US/1.0) NetFront/3.1 MMP/2.0)

You Use Darwin To Stream Not Osx.

[keerthi]

Hi
I'm trying to install mpeg4ip on FC2 but having problems. iI'm trying to build mpeg4ip-1.4 from source. However,'./bootstrap' gives the following report :

checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no
*** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
*** The test program compiled, but did not run. This usually means
*** that the run-time linker is not finding GLIB or finding the wrong
*** version of GLIB. If it is not finding GLIB, you'll need to set your
*** LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable, or edit /etc/ld.so.conf to point
*** to the installed location Also, make sure you have run ldconfig if that
*** is required on your system
***
*** If you have an old version installed, it is best to remove it, although
*** you may also be able to get things to work by modifying LD_LIBRARY_PATH
.
.
.

checking for ESD - version >= 0.2.8... no
*** Could not run ESD test program, checking why...
*** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
*** exact error that occured. This usually means ESD was incorrectly installed
*** or that you have moved ESD since it was installed. In the latter case, you
*** may want to edit the esd-config script: /usr/bin/esd-config

and towards the end :

+ set +x
MP4Live is not installed (requires V4L2 - check log)

Did u install GTK+ and its dependecies from sources or rpms?? Which versions should I install?? Any idea how I can clear the errors above?? I have installed v4l2 rpms for FC2 from atrpms.net. Y is it still asking for V4L2 support?? Please help.

Keerthi