Debate Mystery: Did Kerry Have Cheat Sheet?

[Banzai]

DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET?

New York Post Article (http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31273.htm)

That question was burning up the Internet yesterday after a slo-mo review of the footage showed the Massachusetts senator taking an object out of his right pocket before the first question.

Was it a cheat sheet — as some conservative bloggers claimed — or was it something innocuous?

Either way, it would violate the debate rules agreed to by both campaigns: "No props, notes . . . or other tangible things may be brought into the debate."

Many blogs offered links to the "Pocket-gate" footage. One, INDC Journal, even posted frame-by-frame stills purporting to show Kerry pulling out a notecard and placing it onto the podium.

But the mystery was solved when The Post reviewed a Fox News Channel feed from Thursday's debate: Kerry pulled out . . . a black pen.

Kerry campaign spokesman David Wade remained angry at the bloggers' guilt-by-insinuation.

"The right-wing attack machine will say anything to steal a debate do-over," he said.

"We plead guilty to having a pen."

The Bush campaign did not comment.

Video Replays (http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Movies/JFKCheat.mov)

[A tight zoom analysis of the Boston.Com feed shows Kerry pulling a mysterious item his jacket [14 seconds into video, after commerical]. Kerry appears to unfold some sort of paper seconds later, at his podium.] (http://www.boston.com/news/special/politics/debate_video/sept29/1.html)

[Ronkh]

Rules don't apply to Kerry........

[rochfo]

Good...we've finally hit the meat and potato(e)s of political discourse. I was worried that the election would hinge on the issues this year... :eyebrow:

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=271
More important, say, than a contraband pen and paper?

[Ronkh]

Good...we've finally hit the meat and potato(e)s of political discourse. I was worried that the election would hinge on the issues this year... :eyebrow:


If it hinged on actuall issues, the debates wouldnt mean a damn thing.

Track records tell all....... :joy:

[rochfo]

If it hinged on actuall issues, the debates wouldnt mean a damn thing.

Track records tell all....... :joy:

Why I fear for the American electorate...

[arpy64]

The right wing never ceases to amaze me.
First, impeaching Clinton because they couldn't beat him at the polls, then stealing the 2000 election because they couldn't beat Gore at the polls, and now they try to say Kerry cheated during the debate because they couldn't beat him.

Can the right wing just be gracious when they lose? Jesus!

[Ted]

Can the right wing just be gracious when they lose? Jesus!

Jesus was always gracious. But I understand your point.

[huntm856]

The attitude seems to be that if Bush lost the debate then it can only be because Kerry cheated.

Heck, Kerry didn't need a cheat sheet. *I* could have told you what Bush was going to say before that debate, and even if I couldn't, I could have told you after the first 10 minutes, because he was so obviously prepared only to say the two or three things he kept repeating: 'America is safer...' 'Mixed messages...' 'It's hard work...'

Pathetic.

Oh, and while we're on the subject of credibility, how about the Rebublicans making a major ad campaign out of what can only be an intentional mischaracterization of Kerry's statements regarding the U.S.'s proper position with regard to unilateralism, with the 'Global test' ads they rushed into distribution?

Again, pathetic.

[Violent J]

*I* could have told you what Bush was going to say

That there was an "errir en terrer"

muahahahahah
:joy:

[tuolumne]

If it hinged on actuall issues, the debates wouldnt mean a damn thing.

Track records tell all....... :joy:

And Bush's track record looks like what exacally...?

No alliance in Iraq...

No plan for Iraq...

Over 1000 US family's without their loved ones

Over 15000 innocent Iraqi family's without their loved ones

No plan for the economy

Wasted over $150 billion in Iraq...How would America be if we invested $150 billion into it now...?

Cops are cut from the force, after school programs are cut, VA programs are under funded...

Keep on loving your chimp...

http://socr.uwindsor.ca/~leavoy/stuff/Bush-monkey.gif

[Ronkh]

And Bush's track record looks like what exacally...?

No alliance in Iraq...

No plan for Iraq...

Over 1000 US family's without their loved ones

Over 15000 innocent Iraqi family's without their loved ones

No plan for the economy

Wasted over $150 billion in Iraq...How would America be if we invested $150 billion into it now...?

Cops are cut from the force, after school programs are cut, VA programs are under funded...

Keep on loving your chimp...




Can you say "lemming"

I knew you could.....

[tuolumne]

Can you say "lemming"

I knew you could.....

Don't want to face any of the cold hard facts do you...?

[Ronkh]

Don't want to face any of the cold hard facts do you...?


I could argue with all but 2 of your statements.

Take off your rose colored glasses, or put on an oxygen mask cuz you are suffering from hypoxia

[tuolumne]

I could argue with all but 2 of your statements.

Take off your rose colored glasses, or put on an oxygen mask cuz you are suffering from hypoxia

I should have know... :eyeroll:

[Ronkh]

I should have know... :eyeroll:


And mebbe you should have known too........

But you didnt. that is why there are leaders, and there are folowers.......

[tuolumne]

And mebbe you should have known too........

But you didnt. that is why there are leaders, and there are folowers.......

Wow! Some more nonesense from Ronkh...! What else is new :eyeroll:

[Ronkh]

Wow! Some more nonesense from Ronkh...! What else is new :eyeroll:


Well the good thing is, in 4 more years you'll be able to vote. :joy:

Hopefully by then, you'll learn to differentiate between fact and fiction.

[SL10]

Well the good thing is, in 4 more years you'll be able to vote. :joy:

Hopefully by then, you'll learn to differentiate between fact and fiction.
Differentiate between fact and fiction, in what regard? Please clairify? :hee: Or maybe it is the hanging chad for Bush vs. the paper and pen issue for Kerry that wins the election? LOL!

[Ronkh]

Differentiate between fact and fiction, in what regard? Please clairify? Or maybe it is the hanging chad for Bush vs. the paper and pen issue for Kerry that wins the election? LOL!


Now lets use some logic here....

Do you really mean to tell me that in the bingo capitol of the world :hee: people don't know how to punch a piece of paper ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :rolleyes:

No try and dispute that.


<---- waiting for the mental midgets to defend themselves.......

[Admiral Kirk]

Since I've got nothing better to do at the moment but watch a frame-by-frame breakdown of Kerry's approach to his podium, it does appear, in a single frame, that he pulls out something...and it's too big to be a pen. Maybe it was a nude pic of Theresa Heinz or something. Maybe a crossword puzzle.

It doesn't matter.

[Ronkh]

Since I've got nothing better to do at the moment but watch a frame-by-frame breakdown of Kerry's approach to his podium, it does appear, in a single frame, that he pulls out something...and it's too big to be a pen. Maybe it was a nude pic of Theresa Heinz or something. Maybe a crossword puzzle.

It doesn't matter.


Well if integrity means nothing, I guess you may be right. If integrity matters then your statement is errant

[Ronkh]

Since I've got nothing better to do at the moment but watch a frame-by-frame breakdown of Kerry's approach to his podium, it does appear, in a single frame, that he pulls out something...and it's too big to be a pen. Maybe it was a nude pic of Theresa Heinz or something. Maybe a crossword puzzle.

It doesn't matter.


Whoa there. Tough choice between Hillary or Theresa. :huh:

[arpy64]

Whoa there. Tough choice between Hillary or Theresa. :huh:
Come on, Ron. Fess up. Don't all Republicans secretly have a thing for Hillary? You know, intelligent, educated, powerful women are really what conservatives want, right?

[Ronkh]

Come on, Ron. Fess up. Don't all Republicans secretly have a thing for Hillary? You know, intelligent, educated, powerful women are really what conservatives want, right?



She's skawary......

Besides, Hillary and I would prolly be chasing the same women.

Mebbe ted wants her ?!?!!?!?!!??! :rolleyes:

[arpy64]

She's skawary......

Besides, Hillary and I would prolly be chasing the same women.

Mebbe ted wants her ?!?!!?!?!!??! :rolleyes:
Now that's funny. :joy:

And ted's into women???? Holy Sh-t
"their kids would have hooves"
--Michael Bolton in Office Space

Had to say it.

[tuolumne]

Well the good thing is, in 4 more years you'll be able to vote. :joy:

Hopefully by then, you'll learn to differentiate between fact and fiction.

You obiously havn't demonstrated any common sense in the way your voting :eyeroll:

[Admiral Kirk]

Well if integrity means nothing, I guess you may be right. If integrity matters then your statement is errant

Certainly integrity has value; however, I think both candidates have done their fair share of demonstrating various ways in which they are lacking in this area. Besides, if enough information to win a presidential debate on foreign policy can fit on a tiny piece of paper...then the solution must be quite simplistic.

Granted, if there were something like statistical figures or data on the sheet (which would make him look intelligent for seeming to be able to know off the top of his head) then he must have misplaced that paper sometime during the debate...he misquoted at least a couple figures.

Maybe it was a nude pic of Jim Lehrer.

[Ronkh]

Now that's funny. :joy:

And ted's into women???? Holy Sh-t
"their kids would have hooves"

Had to say it.


Are you my dahhhhhhhdy

[Ronkh]

You obiously havn't demonstrated any common sense in the way your voting :eyeroll:


Ok, junior. Keep believing your mentors...... :p