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Bohemian Iconoclast
09-11-2004, 08:35 AM
At first glance, the topic of this thread may seem humorous. It is anything but.

From the site savebetamax.org (http://savebetamax.org):

Why Save Betamax?
The short version: We're organizing a call-in day to Congress on September 14 to oppose new legislation that would undermine the Betamax decision (INDUCE Act). Sign up on the right.

Here's why: The Betamax VCR died more than 15 years ago, but the Supreme Court decision that made the Betamax and all other VCRs legal lived on. In Sony vs. Universal (known as the Betamax decision) the Court ruled that because VCRs have legitimate uses, the technology is legal—even if some people use it to copy movies. Of course, the movie industry was lucky it lost the case against VCRs, because home video soon became Hollywood's largest source of revenue. And the freedom to use and develop new technology that was protected by the Betamax decision set the stage for the incredible growth in computer technology we've seen in the last few decades.

Hollywood is Trying to Kill Betamax
The Betamax ruling is the only thing that protects your right to own a VCR, tape recorder, CD-burner, DVD-burner, iPod, or TiVo. It's that important. But new legislation that's being pushed through the Senate by lobbyists for the music and movie industries would override the Betamax decision and create a huge liability for any business that makes products which can copy sound or video. This legislation (formerly known as the INDUCE Act) would essentially give Hollywood veto power over a huge range of new technologies. And if they get this power, they'll definitely use it: just as they tried to stomp out the VCR in the 70's and 80's, the music and movie industries want to force all content to go through their own restricted channels.

From where I sit, the most powerful thing on this site is what Fred Rogers (yup, *that* Mr. Rogers) said during the original Betamax hearings:

"I have always felt that with the advent of all of this new technology that allows people to tape the 'Neighborhood' off-the-air, and I'm speaking for the 'Neighborhood' because that's what I produce, that they then become much more active in the programming of their family's television life. Very frankly, I am opposed to people being programmed by others. My whole approach in broadcasting has always been 'You are an important person just the way you are. You can make healthy decisions.' Maybe I'm going on too long, but I just feel that anything that allows a person to be more active in the control of his or her life, in a healthy way, is important."

Also mentioned on the site is how Sony (creator of the Betamax video format) is now on the other side because of Sony Pictures' membership in the MPAA and their record companies' membership in the RIAA..........


---->Go to the site and register so you can join the call-in day, September 14.

Do it now! Only three days remain. (http://savebetamax.org)

SL10
09-11-2004, 10:50 AM
Long time, no see! ;-) Well, I doubt that this will become law! There are many who will oppose it big time! Plus I believe any law like it would be in conflict with the 1st admendment, if it did past! I am sure, us, SU members could contact our respected Congressmen and say "no f'en way"! :-\

goodeye18
09-11-2004, 07:15 PM
hahahahahaha sorry this is freaking hilarious. hahaha

Bohemian Iconoclast
09-12-2004, 09:58 AM
Long time, no see! ;-) Well, I doubt that this will become law! There are many who will oppose it big time! Plus I believe any law like it would be in conflict with the 1st admendment, if it did past! I am sure, us, SU members could contact our respected Congressmen and say "no f'en way"! :-\

There *ARE* many who oppose it, but your congresscritters think this issue is off the radar, and by the time you figure out what happened, it will be too late.

It's like the file sharing lawsuits, only worse.

As to the first amendment, how does that apply? Downloading intellectual property is not covered. If it was *your* intellectual proerty (meaning you are artist, producer, whatever) then you might have a case.....

Bohemian Iconoclast
09-14-2004, 01:52 PM
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Today Is The Day. This is a Senate bill, but as it may well pass, you are urged to call House members to kill this there. Phone numbers can be found at Congress' website (http://thomas.loc.gov).

Ted
09-14-2004, 02:28 PM
psy... get a grip. no one cares. beta is dead. and copyright is unenforcable at the individual level. the only thing the media companies can do is make some noise and go after high profile targets. moral of the story: don't be a high profile target

dustman81
09-14-2004, 07:26 PM
psy... get a grip. no one cares. beta is dead. and copyright is unenforcable at the individual level. the only thing the media companies can do is make some noise and go after high profile targets. moral of the story: don't be a high profile target

You're missing the point. This bill will kill the right to make technology that can copy sound or video. If this passes, the RIAA/MPAA will release a whole new standard of technology that is totally incompatible with what is out there today. And you'll have to pay an exbortant amount to get it and then only use it they want they want you to, i.e. no "time shifting" technology. Or technology that can skip commericals or copy music. Fair use? Not anymore if this passes.

And with a pro big-business Republican Congress and President, this may actually have a chance to pass.

Ted
09-14-2004, 09:34 PM
You're missing the point. This bill will kill the right to make technology that can copy sound or video. If this passes, the RIAA/MPAA will release a whole new standard of technology that is totally incompatible with what is out there today. And you'll have to pay an exbortant amount to get it and then only use it they want they want you to, i.e. no "time shifting" technology. Or technology that can skip commericals or copy music. Fair use? Not anymore if this passes.

And with a pro big-business Republican Congress and President, this may actually have a chance to pass.

ahhhh... dustman... thanks for raising the other side of the issue. i had not considered it. makes this a valid point.

however, for myself, i will do what i wish and the record industry and media companies can go f&@k themselves.

Tarbash
09-15-2004, 12:36 AM
No matter what new technology comes out to limit what we can do, someone else will figure a way around it. I'm not losing sleep over it.

twistedpac79
09-15-2004, 01:00 AM
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Yea The RIAA Can Blow Me. They Need To Get A Life. I Will Still Get Stuff For Free. Thats Why I Love http://www.supernovia.org

twistedpac79
09-15-2004, 01:02 AM
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:)

twistedpac79
09-15-2004, 01:04 AM
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B L O W M E M R B U S H

twistedpac79
09-15-2004, 01:07 AM
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What Is This World Coming Too?

Bohemian Iconoclast
09-15-2004, 10:31 AM
ahhhh... dustman... thanks for raising the other side of the issue. i had not considered it. makes this a valid point.

however, for myself, i will do what i wish and the record industry and media companies can go f&@k themselves.

There are those of us that believe our freedoms are being removed from us piece-by-piece.

If this is true, and you do what you wish, then you play right into the totalitarians' hands.

....just one guy's opinion....

I could be wrong......

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WHY THE BETAMAX DECISION MATTERS:

That decision saved the VCR. The argument went that the only reason to have the record function on a VCR (other than home movies) was to record copyrighted material, which the industry saw as always being wrong. Time-shifting (recording to watch later) wasn't initially given any weight at all.

If we hadn't had the Betamax decision, a lot of technology (CD-burner or TiVo, anyone?) NEVER would have happened.


--------> The darkly ironic part is that the company that brought us the Betamax format is now a major player in both the movie and recording industries. They now want to strip a right they fought *FOR* and won....

Talk about waffling on an issue.....

twistedpac79
09-15-2004, 11:59 AM
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Its All About Money. No One Cares About Our Freedoms. No Matter What Laws Get Passed. I Will Still Do What I Please. And No One Or No Company Will Stop Me. I Will Not Play Into Their Games.

twistedpac79
09-15-2004, 12:01 PM
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Only God Can Judge Me.

mcurtiss1970
09-15-2004, 12:02 PM
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Only God Can Judge Me.
that's wonderful :rolleyes:

Bohemian Iconoclast
09-15-2004, 12:39 PM
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Only God Can Judge Me.

The issue isn't you getting busted as much as.....


......all the stuff that either won't get invented or released because the creator is afraid of being sued, going to jail, or both.

A good example is 321 Studios, maker of DVD Xcopy. Fair Use law (http://fairuse.stanford.edu/) says you have the right to make a backup for archival purposes, and 321 had safeguards in the software that helped prevent "unauthorized duplication."

"They've ceased operations," said Michael Page, an attorney with Keker & Van Nest, who represented 321 Studios. "They couldn't afford to do business and fight all the legal fights. They essentially got sued out of existence."

Wired News article documenting the end of 321 Studios (http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,64453,00.html)

Bohemian Iconoclast
12-11-2004, 06:10 PM
They couldn't do it through legislation (this term), so it moves on to the Supreme Court.

Source (http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBM85BPK2E.html)

 
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