Leave It To Verizon

[Mustang46L]

so they came out with the new v710 yesterday and I already sold 2 at the shack.. fully featured bluetooth phone BUT you can't connect it to the PC via bluetooth so that Verizon can still make their money selling ringers.. they don't want users to download ringers from their computer to the phone..

[AnthroMatt]

In other words it isn't a fully featured phone.

Coming from Verizon, I wouldn't expect them to do anything different. Big bad VZW sucks.

[Marlon_JB2]

so they came out with the new v710 yesterday and I already sold 2 at the shack.. fully featured bluetooth phone BUT you can't connect it to the PC via bluetooth so that Verizon can still make their money selling ringers.. they don't want users to download ringers from their computer to the phone..

What's the use of the BlueTooth then?

[AnthroMatt]

None, it's a joke. I mean, BT headsets for non-BT phones have been around forever. All the VZW phone is good for is use with a headset. Stupid!

[Mustang46L]

right.. bt headset, bt speaker, and bt enabled cars..

::sigh::

[MsRandall]

If you use the pix website you can send tones to the Verizon phones....but it is not as easy as the Sprint phones are. The V710 is nice but I changed my mind on it......

[Deval]

from what I hear it kinda works ok with the TL BT system....

[AnthroMatt]

The fact is, VZW, in their neverending infinite greed, crippled the BT on that phone like no carrier ever would.

[MsRandall]

Well thats Verizon and I agree Anthromatt...Deval the contacts wont sync with the TL

[budney]

The fact is, VZW, in their neverending infinite greed, crippled the BT on that phone like no carrier ever would.

:joy: So true!

[Deval]

Well thats Verizon and I agree Anthromatt...Deval the contacts wont sync with the TL

I know...limited support...

[Draggar]

The fact is, VZW, in their neverending infinite greed,

They're a large and successful corporation in a capitalist society. Would you expect anything different?

Any company in existance is there to make money. :)

[AnthroMatt]

I do expect different, if only because no other wireless carrier does what Verizon does. But they are Verizon, see themselves as god-like, and thus do whatever they want.

[SpineDoc]

Wow even Sprint did not cripple the T608, I'm glad I stayed with Sprint.

[Donovan]

I played around briefly with the V710 and it seems like a nice phone but since it is from Verizon I figured they would have disabled the most useful parts of the phone and that seems to be the case. It's also a bit on the large side, slightly larger than the Toshiba VM4050 IIRC, despite having a lower-res screen. I'm sure people will flock to buy it but I'm just not impressed with it due to Verizon's restrictions like Get It Now and BREW. I'm sure there is going to be a lot of p.o.'d buyers of this phone once they find out what it can't do.

[srtpro]

Guys and gals, like it or not, VZ has come out with a phone that kicks anything that Sprint has come up with to date. And for the doubters, the Bluetooth enables wireless headsets, which are awesome. And the PDA synch is great, too.

Couple that with coverage way beyond what Sprint is capable of, and it's obvious to me why VZ is King of the Hill, accross the country.

For some backround, I'm not a hater. I am a long time VZ customer looking for change. But Sprints service here in the MD/DC/VA area is "veiny". For one of their biggest markets in the US, I would have expected better. The coverage on the
Beltway is fine, but on back roads and in communities like mine, the signal goes from full to one bar between floors of homes. It's completely unacceptable. VZ signal is full strenth even from corners of basements in our community......

Best signal with now, the best phone on the market, VZ has Sprint in a corner. And Sprint has some homework, and some major catching up to do...........

[AnthroMatt]

It may be a nice phone but that doesn't change the fact that had any other carrier released it, the thing would have been ten times better.

IMO the camera is the best feature (on paper). Sprint has a megapixel camera too, so what? To argue that this phone helps VZW paint Verizon into a corner is a joke. The 710 is not anywhere close to being the best phone on the market. I tend to think the GSM carriers still have the best phones.

The BT is almost useless...I have a BT headset for non-BT phones, so the wireless headset thing means almost nothing. My V600 can transfer photos, ringers, video, contacts, etc. via BT. The V710 cannot do all of that. If Sprint were to release a version of the phone as crippled as that of the one Verizon is selling, believe me I'd be just as critical of them.

[Mustang46L]

all that can honestly be said about the v710 is that it is the best phone that Verizon currently has IMO..

also..
Couple that with coverage way beyond what Sprint is capable of, and it's obvious to me why VZ is King of the Hill, accross the country.

umm, i think that Sprint PCS Free & Clear America sorta takes care of that problem for an extra $5/month. my sprint phone works everywhere my verizon did, plus other places with this plan.

[Willie_Esco23]

Guys and gals, like it or not, VZ has come out with a phone that kicks anything that Sprint has come up with to date. And for the doubters, the Bluetooth enables wireless headsets, which are awesome. And the PDA synch is great, too.

Couple that with coverage way beyond what Sprint is capable of, and it's obvious to me why VZ is King of the Hill, accross the country.

For some backround, I'm not a hater. I am a long time VZ customer looking for change. But Sprints service here in the MD/DC/VA area is "veiny". For one of their biggest markets in the US, I would have expected better. The coverage on the
Beltway is fine, but on back roads and in communities like mine, the signal goes from full to one bar between floors of homes. It's completely unacceptable. VZ signal is full strenth even from corners of basements in our community......

Best signal with now, the best phone on the market, VZ has Sprint in a corner. And Sprint has some homework, and some major catching up to do...........


Verizon having sprint painted into a conner?? what a joke. Verizon brings out one good phone and all of a sudden they have better handsets then any sprint have?? Yea right. Must not have seen the A700 that's coming in a few day or weeks. Havvent heard about the MM Line of sprint phone coming out have you?? Verizon still has not even released there version of the VM4050 Yet!!!! They got one good phone this entire year. And sprint has over 5-6 great phone that came out already not counting the 5-6 more ones that are still planned for this year. C'mon man they disabled the Bluetooth between your phone and your PC what's the freakin point then??? Sprint would never do something as verizon did with this phone. And trsut once sprint brings out the rest of it killer app. phone verizon will look outdated in the handset department liek they always do. But your right Verizon does have wider coverage than sprint, with sometimes stronger reception. But question?? if you feel so strongly about verizon then why are you on these boards then?? go find a Verizonusers.com board or something. We don't need you telling us verizon is king of the hill or an other BS like that here.

[srtpro]

Well, I agree that VZ is painfully slow to come out with new phones. And that is why I was looking to come to Sprint. But a neighborhood rep gave me a phone to enable me to compare signals. I had both phones side by side for three days. And I came to the conclusion that in MY area, the VZ signal was significantly better.

As for cool phones, Moto already has one that kicks the V710 butt (the Razor), but it will be a long time till we see that one here, I think.

I really wanted to give up my VZ account, but just can't based on my home signal. Now if those repeater things worked and were free, it could probably work. But they're not gonna be free.

[chrisplchs]

Well, I agree that VZ is painfully slow to come out with new phones. And that is why I was looking to come to Sprint. But a neighborhood rep gave me a phone to enable me to compare signals. I had both phones side by side for three days. And I came to the conclusion that in MY area, the VZ signal was significantly better.

As for cool phones, Moto already has one that kicks the V710 butt (the Razor), but it will be a long time till we see that one here, I think.

I really wanted to give up my VZ account, but just can't based on my home signal. Now if those repeater things worked and were free, it could probably work. But they're not gonna be free.

Althought many of us might say verizon is better it depends. in a digital signal world, one bar and 4 bar is pretty much all the same. Having no bars, then yes, thats is totally bad. Unless we are comparing analog signals, then the number of bars on the cell phone makes no difference. the difference in strength of bars could be do to that the company sends out signals at a higher amplitude, which results in more power, thus a stronger signal. But that is kind of like living below power lines if you ask me.

[pdx77]

Well, I agree that VZ is painfully slow to come out with new phones. And that is why I was looking to come to Sprint. But a neighborhood rep gave me a phone to enable me to compare signals. I had both phones side by side for three days. And I came to the conclusion that in MY area, the VZ signal was significantly better.

As for cool phones, Moto already has one that kicks the V710 butt (the Razor), but it will be a long time till we see that one here, I think.

I really wanted to give up my VZ account, but just can't based on my home signal. Now if those repeater things worked and were free, it could probably work. But they're not gonna be free.
How were you comparing signals on the phone? Were you just looking at the bars?

[Willie_Esco23]

Althought many of us might say verizon is better it depends. in a digital signal world, one bar and 4 bar is pretty much all the same. Having no bars, then yes, thats is totally bad. Unless we are comparing analog signals, then the number of bars on the cell phone makes no difference. the difference in strength of bars could be do to that the company sends out signals at a higher amplitude, which results in more power, thus a stronger signal. But that is kind of like living below power lines if you ask me.

Yeah that's completly true. For me in my building no companies can receive signals within my building lobby and elevator. But only verizon gets some kinda of signal. I know this because when ever my sprint phone roams it's on there network mostly. But just cuz it get's 1 bar does'nt mean a call can be completed. And once I get into my apartment digital roam still indicates 1-2 bars. But soon as my phone switches to sprint it's a solid 3 bars all day. Bars mean nothing but I tested my phone in the debug menu on both 1900mhs CDMA and 800CDMA. verizon signals will show 4 bars even while your phone is operating @ -.88dbm. Were as sprint will show 2-3 bars @ this dbm level. For sprint your signal needs to be @ least -77-79dbm to display a full signal. So that just goes to show you can;t just go by bars to determine that a phone is working better. Different companies have different criteria for showing signal stength. But overall sprint sound quality is alot higher than verizon is even if it's operating with 1-2 bars. With verizon if your signal gets that low then you get some static or dropped calls.

[Nugo]

Yeah that's completly true. For me in my building no companies can receive signals within my building lobby and elevator. But only verizon gets some kinda of signal. I know this because when ever my sprint phone roams it's on there network mostly. But just cuz it get's 1 bar does'nt mean a call can be completed. And once I get into my apartment digital roam still indicates 1-2 bars. But soon as my phone switches to sprint it's a solid 3 bars all day. Bars mean nothing but I tested my phone in the debug menu on both 1900mhs CDMA and 800CDMA. verizon signals will show 4 bars even while your phone is operating @ -.88dbm. Were as sprint will show 2-3 bars @ this dbm level. For sprint your signal needs to be @ least -77-79dbm to display a full signal. So that just goes to show you can;t just go by bars to determine that a phone is working better. Different companies have different criteria for showing signal stength. But overall sprint sound quality is alot higher than verizon is even if it's operating with 1-2 bars. With verizon if your signal gets that low then you get some static or dropped calls.

I didn't know this; now I see why Verizon looks so much stronger; they have done gone and freaked the requirements for Signal Bar change. Aye yih yih.

[Willie_Esco23]

I didn't know this; now I see why Verizon looks so much stronger; they have done gone and freaked the requirements for Signal Bar change. Aye yih yih.
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Now see if you were even abloe to do this debug test screen on a verizon phon you be able to see this. The only conclusion I can get from it is testing on my sprint phone while digital roaming off there network. And it's pretty obvious I get better coverage from sprint in my apartment than verizon. And the funny thing is they have a very elaborate tower set up liek 2 buildings from mines ( About 200-300 feet away. ) With there analog amps antennas and everything. And sprint has 1 tower about 10 blocks from my builiding and another one about 5 blocks. And I get a clearer more pristine calls then when my phone is on digital roam with verizon in my apartment. But there amps coverage is great in my apt. I tested a few times sounds very clear with minimal static. ATT amps sucks big time. I can immediately tell wether my phone is on ATT's amps or verizon's just by the static level. ATT's amps has lots of static even when your phone has 4 bars. But liek I was saying before in digital celluar bars dont mean much unless you have no bars@ all, With sprint as long as you have 1 bars you should be able to make calls just fine. This also depends on what phone you have also. If you have any of those older sanyo's that over rate the signal you may be i trouble. 1 bar on those phone may mean zero or just no signal @ all. But diff. companies get better coverage in diff. area's, just because I dont get as good as verizon coverage as you do within your area does'nt mean that your will be as bad as mines.

[srtpro]

How were you comparing signals on the phone? Were you just looking at the bars?

While the Sprint was giving me only 1-2 bars, I wasn't that concerned after reading stuff here. But then I tried calls and got repeatedly dropped. Weird thing is, signal is full (and calls are clear) upstairs in my house, as well as outside just a few feet up the driveway. My next door neighbor, whos house is slightly higher elevated, has no problems. So it seems to be the elevation that effects the calls.

[Willie_Esco23]

While the Sprint was giving me only 1-2 bars, I wasn't that concerned after reading stuff here. But then I tried calls and got repeatedly dropped. Weird thing is, signal is full (and calls are clear) upstairs in my house, as well as outside just a few feet up the driveway. My next door neighbor, whos house is slightly higher elevated, has no problems. So it seems to be the elevation that effects the calls.


reception is geograpical also. And your house may be the reason for your poor signals. I know my building is the reason why I can't ever get a full signal or any signal when in my building lobby. Because it blankets ever cell providers signal except for verizon. But calls can seldomly be made, but if I'am on the phone talkin and it's in digital roam it will hold onto the call even in the elevator.

[im_greg_p]

Their's no signal were I live, South of Upper Marlboro

Verizon converted their tower at Mt. Harmony from analog to digital but and now it doesnt have as much range.

[srtpro]

So I guess the question remains. Why does VZ seem to have full, clear coverage where other carriers struggle, for whatever reason. This is not unique to my home. I know of plenty of other people that "have no choice" but to stick with VZ because their home signal is strong, and the rest arre mariginal, at best. If some of these carriers share towers, as I've read here, then I really don't understand.

[AnthroMatt]

I know of places where VZW fails and Sprint works. I know of places where VZW fails and ATT works...

[Willie_Esco23]

So I guess the question remains. Why does VZ seem to have full, clear coverage where other carriers struggle, for whatever reason. This is not unique to my home. I know of plenty of other people that "have no choice" but to stick with VZ because their home signal is strong, and the rest arre mariginal, at best. If some of these carriers share towers, as I've read here, then I really don't understand.

Like I said reception is geographical. There places where other carriers will work and one will strugle or vice versa. I live in NYC and my reception is just as good as verizon's is. But you also gotta relize that verizon uses mostly 800Mhz CDMA and sprint uses only 1900Mhz CDMA. Lower frequency bands can penetrate deeper then higher bands. That may be the reason why you get a higher siganal within your home then sprint does. You can even test this on your cordless telephone. 2.4Ghz phones work better than 900Mhz phones in open space situation's but when walls and doors and other things come into play you'll notice your 900Mhz phone will work better in getting thru walls. And that is most likely the reason for verizon's better signal. But with them using 800Mhz CDMA mostly they have to put up more towers to sustain there networ cuz the range is not there. So when ever a verizon rep tells well we have more cell sites setup then any other carrier you can respond by saying it's cuase you need more towers then any one else in oder to operate. I belive they use 1900Mhz PCS in less populated area's for range and use 800Mhz in more populated city areas.

[jared982]

WOW. And i thought my 5.8 GHz phone was good. Oh well.

[Willie_Esco23]

WOW. And i thought my 5.8 GHz phone was good. Oh well.

In reality no one needs a 5.8Ghz phone in there house. Unless you live in a mansion with very spacious land. If you live in an apartment or house chances are you 900Mhz phone is good enough. But how ever these 2.4 and 5.8Ghz phones have digital spread spectrum. I dont kno what it does but it sounds good. I'am pretty sure someone here knows what the hell that means. But besides if you have DSL you can'y use it with a phone higher than 900Mhz anyway. But as I was saying before lower frequency bands penetrate walls alot better but have shorter range then higher bands. And that's one reason why verizon get's better reeption indoors then sprint does. But they have to put @ least maybe 4-5 more towers in a certain area then sprint does becuase of this limited range of 800Mhz towers. I looked digital spread spectrum on this site if anyone is interested. http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question326.htm.
But if verizon seems better suited for your needs then go with them. But if your calls arent dropping with sprint then I dont see the need to change. But if they are then if you still wanna stay with sprint look into a repeater that should fix things very well. But if you dont feel like spending the cash for it then go with what ever works for you.

[tuolumne]

In reality no one needs a 5.8Ghz phone in there house. Unless you live in a mansion with very spacious land. If you live in an apartment or house chances are you 900Mhz phone is good enough. But how ever these 2.4 and 5.8Ghz phones have digital spread spectrum. I dont kno what it does but it sounds good. I'am pretty sure someone here knows what the hell that means. But besides if you have DSL you can'y use it with a phone higher than 900Mhz anyway. But as I was saying before lower frequency bands penetrate walls alot better but have shorter range then higher bands. And that's one reason why verizon get's better reeption indoors then sprint does. But they have to put @ least maybe 4-5 more towers in a certain area then sprint does becuase of this limited range of 800Mhz towers. I looked digital spread spectrum on this site if anyone is interested. http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question326.htm.
But if verizon seems better suited for your needs then go with them. But if your calls arent dropping with sprint then I dont see the need to change. But if they are then if you still wanna stay with sprint look into a repeater that should fix things very well. But if you dont feel like spending the cash for it then go with what ever works for you.

digital spread spectrum means that the signal is constantly changed over different channels. I use my 2.4 ghz Panasonic thoughout my house and I have DSL and 802.11g...?

[Sim-X]

so they came out with the new v710 yesterday and I already sold 2 at the shack.. fully featured bluetooth phone BUT you can't connect it to the PC via bluetooth so that Verizon can still make their money selling ringers.. they don't want users to download ringers from their computer to the phone..
verizon blows anyway, don't know why people have them

[mobilyte]

i've had verizon for 5 yrs and sprint for almost 2 yrs, i use my verizon for all my voice calls and my sprint is only used for tethered data with my laptop. i wont get into comparing customer service because customer service generally sucks throughout the entire industry ;), but in my home area, verizon has the upper hand reception wise. there are places i go where sprint provides better reception, and some places where they both are sub-par.

i might be different from a lot of the forum members that have sprint service, i dont need fancy phones that will open my garage door, walk the neighbor's dog, etc...i'm like most consumers that just need something that reliably makes/receives phone calls. i'd rather have the extra battery life instead of a color screen, shoot i'd still be using my 3 yr old samsung T300 if it werent stolen along with my woman's purse while we were on vacation!

a guy's gotta make some sacrafices to maintain the 4 figure monthly golf habit right?

[Mustang46L]

In reality no one needs a 5.8Ghz phone in there house.

I will have to disagree with this one.. Many people have wireless networks in their house now days that work on a 2.4Ghz signal. That basically means that you can't have 2.4Ghz phones in your house, and many people don't want to move backwards to 900Mhz.

Also, just because the frequency band is higher doesn't mean that it has a farther range. Anyone that has actually done testing will find out that a 2.4Ghz phone actually has better range than a 5.8Ghz. The 5.8Ghz are clearer and offer more channels, but would have to actually boost the power output to match the range of 2.4Ghz phones.

[srtpro]

I will have to disagree with this one.. Many people have wireless networks in their house now days that work on a 2.4Ghz signal. That basically means that you can't have 2.4Ghz phones in your house, and many people don't want to move backwards to 900Mhz.

Also, just because the frequency band is higher doesn't mean that it has a farther range. Anyone that has actually done testing will find out that a 2.4Ghz phone actually has better range than a 5.8Ghz. The 5.8Ghz are clearer and offer more channels, but would have to actually boost the power output to match the range of 2.4Ghz phones.


I completely agree. I did extensive cordless phone testing with my last purchase. I tried all the phones from Best Buy/Circuit City that had the options I was looking for (DSS, speakerphone, easy swap battery, to name a few). Vtech, ATT, Panasonic, and many others. NONE of the 2.4 or 5.8 phones could match the range of my old 900 DSS phone. But I did find one that came real close. Believe it or not, a 2.4 from Radio Shack. More features and better sound quality/range than the most expensive phones I tried.

In general, my finding have been that the higher the frequency, the less the range, at least in the cordless home phone arena.

[Willie_Esco23]

Wirelessly posted (VM4050/132.037 UP.Browser/6.2.2.4.e.1.100 (GUI) MMP/2.0)

In reality no one needs a 5.8Ghz phone in there house.

I will have to disagree with this one.. Many people have wireless networks in their house now days that work on a 2.4Ghz signal. That basically means that you can't have 2.4Ghz phones in your house, and many people don't want to move backwards to 900Mhz.

Also, just because the frequency band is higher doesn't mean that it has a farther range. Anyone that has actually done testing will find out that a 2.4Ghz phone actually has better range than a 5.8Ghz. The 5.8Ghz are clearer and offer more channels, but would have to actually boost the power output to match the range of 2.4Ghz phones.

Well I may have had a few things miscoscrued. But as I was saying lower frequncies get better penetration then higher ones.

[srtpro]

I played around briefly with the V710 and it seems like a nice phone but since it is from Verizon I figured they would have disabled the most useful parts of the phone and that seems to be the case. It's also a bit on the large side, slightly larger than the Toshiba VM4050 IIRC, despite having a lower-res screen. I'm sure people will flock to buy it but I'm just not impressed with it due to Verizon's restrictions like Get It Now and BREW. I'm sure there is going to be a lot of p.o.'d buyers of this phone once they find out what it can't do.

I think you guys are being a little too critical. I have the V710, and it simply blows the Sprint offerings away right now. The screen IS bigger than the Toshiba, but it is NOT lower res. 262,000 TFT. The screen is beautiful. Next, a full duplex speaker phone with very loud volume is awefully nice once you have it (borrow someones V710 and try it). The high res camera, and the video will be beneficial to some that are into taking pics with their phones. I prefer a good dig camera. As for BT, you need to look at what Moto phone-tools does. You'll be amazed. Synch and downloads can be done wirelessly. Let alone connecting to your PDA wirelessly. The nicest feature for those that haven't used it is wireless headsets. Nice ones like Jabra 250 have a pretty good range. Leave your phone in the kitchen and make and receive calls around the rest of the house (by voice command). Leave your phone in your computer bag, and make and receive calls all the way to work.

True, it's not the smallest phone in the world, which is actually good for people that don't like small screens or keypads. I put my wifes new Samsung a670 on my belt, and then my V710. Guess what, you can not feel 1/2 oz difference!!! Oh, and just to mention, 710 owners don't actually need to wear their phones if they don't want to (BT) :D

Either some of these folks here are incredibly lazy, or maybe just a little jealous. "Crippled" is hardly an accurate word for this phone. It is simply the best phone on the US market right now, bar none. I realize that will change in a couple months, but don't critisize until you see the stuff this thing has going for it. On top of all it's gadgets, what is really nice is that it performs great as a phone (yes, these things still are used for calls). Crystal clear reception, very loud earpiece and full duplex speaker.

[SL10]

I want one of those future phones that were used in a tv show called "Earth's Final Conflict". =)

[Majjic Johnson]

I think you guys are being a little too critical. I have the V710, and it simply blows the Sprint offerings away right now. The screen IS bigger than the Toshiba, but it is NOT lower res.

Um, try again. 230x320 (Toshiba) > 176x220 (V710)

If you've got some new math that can extract your foot from your mouth, please share it with us.

[srtpro]

Um, try again. 230x320 (Toshiba) > 176x220 (V710)

If you've got some new math that can extract your foot from your mouth, please share it with us.

My bad...I was going by the number of colors 710=262,000 4050=260,000

[Quatre]

If you use the pix website you can send tones to the Verizon phones....but it is not as easy as the Sprint phones are. The V710 is nice but I changed my mind on it......


how can we get the Moto v710 to work on Sprint network?

[Quatre]

Guys and gals, like it or not, VZ has come out with a phone that kicks anything that Sprint has come up with to date. And for the doubters, the Bluetooth enables wireless headsets, which are awesome. And the PDA synch is great, too.

Couple that with coverage way beyond what Sprint is capable of, and it's obvious to me why VZ is King of the Hill, accross the country.

For some backround, I'm not a hater. I am a long time VZ customer looking for change. But Sprints service here in the MD/DC/VA area is "veiny". For one of their biggest markets in the US, I would have expected better. The coverage on the
Beltway is fine, but on back roads and in communities like mine, the signal goes from full to one bar between floors of homes. It's completely unacceptable. VZ signal is full strenth even from corners of basements in our community......

Best signal with now, the best phone on the market, VZ has Sprint in a corner. And Sprint has some homework, and some major catching up to do...........


wait a min, lets not get carried away here. If VZ works better in your back woods area that is fine, you are stuck with them and have had to endure years of having crappy phones and waiting a year or more after sprint to get the same technology. This is the first good phone vz has gotten and only because they are lucky that Moto made it for them.
Moto is not exclusive to sprint.

In my area Sprint gets the better signal then verizon and Verizon has been trying to catch up for years especially with phones so to say sprint has some major catching up to do just because VZ finally got one good phone after years of sprint have multiple good phones way better then anyting vz had and way way before they ever get anyting even close.

In fact as good as this Moto phone is and ppl that want it including myself the fact that it is on VZ is the whole reason we aren't getting it. VZ is that bad in mulitple ways and we are much better off with sprint even with a worse phone we realize which will prob only be for a month before all teh new sprint phones come out and they will prob also get the Moto phone as well.

The only way i would get the Moto 710 now is to fix it to work on Sprint network dont dont get too VZ proud there buddy.

[Quatre]

I think you guys are being a little too critical. I have the V710, and it simply blows the Sprint offerings away right now. The screen IS bigger than the Toshiba, but it is NOT lower res. 262,000 TFT. The screen is beautiful. Next, a full duplex speaker phone with very loud volume is awefully nice once you have it (borrow someones V710 and try it). The high res camera, and the video will be beneficial to some that are into taking pics with their phones. I prefer a good dig camera. As for BT, you need to look at what Moto phone-tools does. You'll be amazed. Synch and downloads can be done wirelessly. Let alone connecting to your PDA wirelessly. The nicest feature for those that haven't used it is wireless headsets. Nice ones like Jabra 250 have a pretty good range. Leave your phone in the kitchen and make and receive calls around the rest of the house (by voice command). Leave your phone in your computer bag, and make and receive calls all the way to work.

True, it's not the smallest phone in the world, which is actually good for people that don't like small screens or keypads. I put my wifes new Samsung a670 on my belt, and then my V710. Guess what, you can not feel 1/2 oz difference!!! Oh, and just to mention, 710 owners don't actually need to wear their phones if they don't want to (BT) :D

Either some of these folks here are incredibly lazy, or maybe just a little jealous. "Crippled" is hardly an accurate word for this phone. It is simply the best phone on the US market right now, bar none. I realize that will change in a couple months, but don't critisize until you see the stuff this thing has going for it. On top of all it's gadgets, what is really nice is that it performs great as a phone (yes, these things still are used for calls). Crystal clear reception, very loud earpiece and full duplex speaker.

first of all the screen is not bigger then the Toshiba it is the same 2.2". Secondly, it is most definately lower res 176x128 or whatever as opposed to the Toshibas 240x320. All else about the phone is fine especially the speaker phone is great i'm sure i've used other moto full duplex speakrs and I miss it on nextel. Noone has argued that the phone is not good. We mostly all love the phone and we aren't saying its the phones fault its crippled BT.

Its Verizon who we despise and refuse to switch to even for this phone that we mostly all love.

Ideally i think most of us including myself would like to find a way to get this phone to work on sprint network. Why would we wnat to pay for txt msgs and web use etc. on verizon when we get vision free on sprint etc etc.

So get it straight guy. We love the phone. We hate Verizon.

[Quatre]

My bad...I was going by the number of colors 710=262,000 4050=260,000

wrong again. they are both 262k colors and supposedly resolution matters a lot more then number of colors at that point.

[Deval]

how can we get the Moto v710 to work on Sprint network?


short answer...you cant...long answer...not worth it...

[mbrenner]

I am confused here, What part of the bluetooth did they disable? People say that you can use headsets, and wirelessly sync (contacts, calendar). So it is just uploading and downloading ringers, picts that are disabled and laptop connections to the internet through the phone.

Remember that regardless of how cool the phone is at sprint we cannot use our phones with a laptop to make internet connections. Even if this is technically possible, it is outlawed. People may do it, but really this cannot be considered a "feature" since it is a violation of your contract. Similarly if you hacked your phone so you didn't pay for your calls, but it was technically possible, it is still not a "feature", and really stealing service.

Remember that sprint does allow laptop connections with a data plan for $85 and a data card. If you are connecting with a vision phone and paying 15, 5 or nothing for vision than techically this is stealing service and cannot be considered a service.

Since most all vision phones are technically capable of supporting laptop connections as they were designed, and using them this way is not allowed then didn't Sprint effectively cripple vision on every phone? At least verizon allows laptop connections.

[Shyne]

Its Verizon who we despise and refuse to switch to even for this phone that we mostly all love.



I don't think too many people will leave Sprint for one phone. But if this turns into a trend, with Verizon continuing to get better phones than Sprint, then you can expect people to leave.

Verizon is not THAT bad, some of you just love to bash what you don't have. Whether it's another carrier, or another phone. :eyeroll:

Fact is the v710 is the best cell phone available in the US, and it's not available to us (Sprint PCS users). If Sprint doesn't want to start getting the best phones (like they used to do?), then I will most definately consider leaving.

[AnthroMatt]

I love to bash Verizon because they were the worst "utility" company I have ever had the "pleasure" of doing business with. ;)

[Quill]

I for one am not about bashing Verizon or the phone just because I don't have them. I could have a sweet government employee plan through my father in law with a great price on that V710.
I'm not impressed with the phone. Period. And I don't hope to see it on Sprint. I hope to see an LG slider phone with MP cam and Bluetooth and speakerphone. Oh, wait, we're supposed to get that...
And of course, any Bluetooth phone that comes out is going to be limited on Sprint or Verizon. But why couldn't Sprint put together a Bluetooth package akin to what they did with the MM package for the a700? Just a thought. I have no idea if it's feasable, but I'm curious.
Anyway, it's one good phone. At least half of Verizon's lineup are phones Sprint has had for at least six months before Verizon got them...now, a full-duplex speakerphone, I dig that...but beyond that it's not worth switching for...
Heck, I've got till December till my contract runs out. I'm sure we'll have forgotten about this phone by then because what else is around the bend for Verizon that might be worth talking about...?

[winger]

from what I hear it kinda works ok with the TL BT system....
Yo Dev. Yes, my buddy and his new wifey left SPCS for Stinkular and all he raves about (besides his cool TL) is how he can use their BT fones in their TL.

[Deval]

Yo Dev. Yes, my buddy and his new wifey left SPCS for Stinkular and all he raves about (besides his cool TL) is how he can use their BT fones in their TL.

yeah....BT is pretty cool...

[srtpro]

wrong again. they are both 262k colors and supposedly resolution matters a lot more then number of colors at that point.

Well, this is where I got my info:

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=352

Whatever...........

[Quatre]

short answer...you cant...long answer...not worth it...

I have read about ways to make sprint phones work on verizon which was usually the more in demand and not vice versa because there was never any good phones on verizon worth using on sprint but i'm sure ifyou can do it one way you can do it the other.

some ppl might think its very worth it to be able to use the moto v710 on sprint keeping their unlimited vision etc and not having to switch to verizon and their crappy plans.

[Quatre]

I am confused here, What part of the bluetooth did they disable? People say that you can use headsets, and wirelessly sync (contacts, calendar). So it is just uploading and downloading ringers, picts that are disabled and laptop connections to the internet through the phone.

Remember that regardless of how cool the phone is at sprint we cannot use our phones with a laptop to make internet connections. Even if this is technically possible, it is outlawed. People may do it, but really this cannot be considered a "feature" since it is a violation of your contract. Similarly if you hacked your phone so you didn't pay for your calls, but it was technically possible, it is still not a "feature", and really stealing service.

Remember that sprint does allow laptop connections with a data plan for $85 and a data card. If you are connecting with a vision phone and paying 15, 5 or nothing for vision than techically this is stealing service and cannot be considered a service.

Since most all vision phones are technically capable of supporting laptop connections as they were designed, and using them this way is not allowed then didn't Sprint effectively cripple vision on every phone? At least verizon allows laptop connections.


how do you hack teh phone so you dont' pay for calls? :hee:

[Quatre]

I for one am not about bashing Verizon or the phone just because I don't have them. I could have a sweet government employee plan through my father in law with a great price on that V710.
I'm not impressed with the phone. Period. And I don't hope to see it on Sprint. I hope to see an LG slider phone with MP cam and Bluetooth and speakerphone. Oh, wait, we're supposed to get that...
And of course, any Bluetooth phone that comes out is going to be limited on Sprint or Verizon. But why couldn't Sprint put together a Bluetooth package akin to what they did with the MM package for the a700? Just a thought. I have no idea if it's feasable, but I'm curious.
Anyway, it's one good phone. At least half of Verizon's lineup are phones Sprint has had for at least six months before Verizon got them...now, a full-duplex speakerphone, I dig that...but beyond that it's not worth switching for...
Heck, I've got till December till my contract runs out. I'm sure we'll have forgotten about this phone by then because what else is around the bend for Verizon that might be worth talking about...?


I'll take a Moto like the 710 and a flip phone any day over any LG phone especially a slider. And we know verizons phones are crap and they get 6mo after sprint ( they still haven't gotten the Toshiba) but that is why this caught us off gaurd and we are mad about it. we aren't used to them having even one good phone And i'm sorry i have to agree it is thee best phone for USA on any provider. The only thing it doesnt' have to basically be my perfect phone is the resolution of the toshiba. It does have the same screen size though and its better then the tosh i have to sadly admit in every other way. And it has higher res then the sanyo4500 and better then that in every way as well. So i'm pissed its better then both phones i have.

[Quill]

I'll take a Moto like the 710 and a flip phone any day over any LG phone especially a slider. And we know verizons phones are crap and they get 6mo after sprint ( they still haven't gotten the Toshiba) but that is why this caught us off gaurd and we are mad about it. we aren't used to them having even one good phone And i'm sorry i have to agree it is thee best phone for USA on any provider. The only thing it doesnt' have to basically be my perfect phone is the resolution of the toshiba. It does have the same screen size though and its better then the tosh i have to sadly admit in every other way. And it has higher res then the sanyo4500 and better then that in every way as well. So i'm pissed its better then both phones i have.

I understand where you're coming from. I really like clamshell phones myself, but I'd love to have a slider. I know that doesn't appeal to everyone, but a slider with BT appeals to me more than the Moto...I've been trying to go smaller since I had the 4900 (and no I don't want the a680 because it lacks a speakerphone) and I like LGs, whatever anyone else may think of them.

I'm not mad Verizon got a good phone. I've thoroughly enjoyed reading all the threads over there salivating over the thing, then pissing and moaning over the thing, then coming up with ways to hack it. I'm not saying it's not a great phone, I'm just saying I'm not impressed.

Personally I think the best phone available for any carrier in the U.S. is the Moto a630...now that is a cool phone. Different strokes for different folks.

[LoanShark]

Verizon and Sprint phones can be used on each other's networks for voice calls because CDMA is cross compatible. Qwest used to activate Verizon and Sprint phones on their network if the customer was able to get the proper unlock codes. But, data features are not compatible. Sprint and Verizon have completely different ways of allowing users to surf and access the web, Pix, Flix, and all that other crap.

This thread is hillarious with all the arguing about nonsense. I love arguing nonsense though, so let me pipe in. The screen on the Verizon phone looks awesome. It looks bigger, brighter, and prettier than the Toshiba 4050, even though it's lower resolution. The optical illusion of beauty on the phone is related to its size, shape, and design. The sound is excellent, and if you're in to surfing Verizon's lousy wireless web using your plan minutes, it's a great phone. Also, if you have access to the special memory cards it uses and a 2.5-3.5mm stereo phone jack adapter, you can listen to MP3's on it. Personally, I would rather make some sacrifices to stay with Sprint. I use the mobile web at least 20 times a day, send a couple of SMS, receive a good 40-50 per day, and upload 50-100 pictures a month. Verizon would charge me $300 a month if I wanted to do all of this on their network. Not to mention evenings at 7pm. Yes, over the entire country, Verizon has better coverage in more areas, especially when traveling to local yokel places. Personally, I am not a truckdriver and I stay in major metropolitan areas most of the time, hating backwoods country folk, and therefore have no trouble with sevice whatsoever. I have also never seen that guy walking around asking, "Can you hear me now?" on a Sprint commercial. Yes, I can hear you a**hole!

Digital Spread Spectrum is the only way to secure your cordless phone conversations. Analogue phones, regardless of frequency, can be intercepted with the right equipment. Plain digital phones have greater FCC restrictions on RF output and can be demodulated with a computer and the right software, so their range and security are limited. DSS phones are allowed to put out tons of RF, so of course the signal is going to travel farther. Range is largely dependent on the quality of the antenna and engineering in the phone. 2.4ghz should theoretically travel farther. This is great if you don't mind radiating your head. 2.4Ghz when pumped up high enough also heats your food. It shouldn't affect DSL in any way, shape, or form. 1.9Ghz signals should actually require more towers because the signal is broadcast at a lower wattage and doesn't tend to carry as far. Verizon's problem is that they are the merger of a number of smaller companies with semi-incompatible networks and systems, which has resulted in a slew of problems. Sprint was all built by the same people using the same equipment, and the Sprint dude isn't nearly as ugly as the Verizon dude, though I wouldn't hang out with either of them, unless I was getting paid by the hour.

[Deval]

I have read about ways to make sprint phones work on verizon which was usually the more in demand and not vice versa because there was never any good phones on verizon worth using on sprint but i'm sure ifyou can do it one way you can do it the other.

some ppl might think its very worth it to be able to use the moto v710 on sprint keeping their unlimited vision etc and not having to switch to verizon and their crappy plans.

you will have an expensive voice phone...thats all you will have if you try to use the v710 on sprint

[kp2575]

Ok let me say a couple of things. First of all there is going to be a software patch that will allow the Bluetooth to work with your pc according to a few websites that I have read.

And as far as Bluetooth not being on Sprint they are very skiddish about releasing a bluetooth phone for security purposes. There are security issues in rest of the world reguarding this and I think a lot of cell phone companies are worried about it. What would you rather have people complaining about not getting a blue tooth phone or people freaking out because their information off of their phones was stolen?

Now I have worked for both Sprint and Verizon at this point in my career as a tech. I worked for Verizon on the east coast and sprint on the west. When it comes to network strength in a major city you can go with just about any carrier. Verizon in the backwoods is usually a lot stronger then most networks.

In the south AT&T is probably the strongest from what I have seen from internal maps espically in Florida. As far as Sprint goes I think they release the a lot of cutting edge tech that Verizon does not jump on. No one cell company is perfect some are absolute garbage (T-mobile) but I think most of the large companies are all going to offer something the other doesn't, you just have to pick what is right for you.

[Strider420]

stop lying or else i'll punch you in the head
Aren't you the little e-thug now.

[Quatre]

[QUOTE=LoanShark]Verizon and Sprint phones can be used on each other's networks for voice calls because CDMA is cross compatible. Qwest used to activate Verizon and Sprint phones on their network if the customer was able to get the proper unlock codes. But, data features are not compatible. Sprint and Verizon have completely different ways of allowing users to surf and access the web, Pix, Flix, and all that other crap.

This thread is hillarious with all the arguing about nonsense. I love arguing nonsense though, so let me pipe in. The screen on the Verizon phone looks awesome. It looks bigger, brighter, and prettier than the Toshiba 4050, even though it's lower resolution. The optical illusion of beauty on the phone is related to its size, shape, and design. The sound is excellent, and if you're in to surfing Verizon's lousy wireless web using your plan minutes, it's a great phone. Also, if you have access to the special memory cards it uses and a 2.5-3.5mm stereo phone jack adapter, you can listen to MP3's on it.


Wow, it looks better then the Toshiba 4050 screen even though it is lower resolution? I find that hard to believe but I will have to check it out. that part sounds good to me. I think it is clear that for several reasons mostly including the fact that that vision with the web txt msgs even pic mail etc is better with sprint and the fact that Sprint is coming with some phones that will be as good or better then it namely the Sanyo5600 which looks to be the best of the tosh and the 5500 and then some in one having the same size screen as the Toshiba and this moto v710 but it will have the 240x320 res making it a qvga screen like the tosh that the moto doesnt' have plus speakerphone ( has anyone found out for sure if its going to be full dup) and if so if even then it will work/sound as good as motos i doubt but still. Sprint guy told me the 5500 is full dup and i dont think it is and if it is its a bad sounding one though better then the tosh.

Anyway, again i think the Moto v710 is definately not worth switching to sprint but what about just keeping sprint and getting the v710 wich cheapest verizon plan just for using for mobile to mobile with other verizon users. Because i have both the Tosh and the Sanyo vm4500 with add a phone but i still can't really use 2 on same network so i let my wife use the sanyo so we can have txt msging , pic mail, ( i got rid of vid mail after the free 2 mo trial) and free mobile to mobile because she is on verizon. It ends up only being like $6/mo extra which i prob can't beat with even teh cheapest plan on verizon but still it might be better for me.

For one I use the Tosh and never use the sanyo even though the whole reason i got both was to get the best out of both but i can only use one on same network again. Even though the sanyo is better in some ways and has more features i chose to use the tosh as my main phone because the screen is unbeatable. So basically she lucks out having her verizon phone and the sanyo arguably the better of the 2 between it and the tosh. All because she wouldn't switch to sprint and i wouldn't switch to verizon. But obviously this deal isn't so great for me as i never use the sanyo so i'm stuck with this tosh phone with nice screen but crappy speaker etc.

I'm thinking the better option for the main goal of free mobile to mobile would be to drop my extra sprint line and just get the cheapest verizon plan with the v710 just for use of free mobile to with her and and other freinds/fam with verizon. Of course then i'm not making as much use of the screen for web and can't send any pictures unless i just do one now and then and pay the per pic fee but i doubt it. can just look at pics on the phone which what ppl do half the time. Of course then i wouldn't have pic mail with her as we have on sprint from phone to phone which comes in handy but hey if she pays for it on verizon then i will in the meantime i'd keep it on sprint and send to her email. whcih btw is there a way to send it to a verizon phones email and they will get it as pic, i think i tried and this doesnt' work.

We also wont have txt msgs besides her limited amount if any on her verizon phone to my sprint with unlimited txt msg. Verizon should really have free mobile to mobile txt msging to other verizon customers in addition to voice calls.

Anyway clearly for txt msg , pics etc. it wont be as good of a setup but that is due to her cheap plan and not having pic mail etc or enough txt msgs not that i blame her because of the prices on verizon for that. Regardless for me it will be better because if i'm paying i mine as well be the one with 2 phones 1 on each carrier then paying for her to have that. its more or less like me keppign sprint and her paying for me to have verizon with the best phone for it with unlimited web, pic mail and txt msg because thats what she has with teh my sanyo.

At least for now it would be a better deal for me and i could drop the extra line on sprint for now and maybe sell one of my sprint phones. Then when new one(s) come out for sprint i can readd a second line.

this really isn' tthe ultimate solution but it will be a way i can try this phone out and enjoy use of it without leaving sprint and losing my plan etc. and how i can have 2 phones on 2 diff carrier instead of her.

[Willie_Esco23]

Wirelessly posted (VM4050/132.037 UP.Browser/6.2.2.4.e.1.100 (GUI) MMP/2.0)

Yeah but the phone also feels pretty cheap plastic. And does not have a better ear peice than the vm4050. Its more like the 4500 muddy.

[tuolumne]

Well, this is where I got my info:

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=352

Whatever...........

phone scoop is not the best place to get releaible info...

color count doesn't matter as much as resolution does...

[srtpro]

phone scoop is not the best place to get releaible info...

color count doesn't matter as much as resolution does...

Not according to the post directly above. He thinks the "lower" resolution 710 looks better than Toshibas screen. I haven't seen both side by side, but I will say the 710 is very impressive.

[Quatre]

Not according to the post directly above. He thinks the "lower" resolution 710 looks better than Toshibas screen. I haven't seen both side by side, but I will say the 710 is very impressive.

yeah I will have to look at it side by side with my Tosh. i can't imagine it looking as good as the Tosh when it is at a significant lower res let alone better then it.

[Tnaihed Ertauq]

and now verizon got the toshiba too. though a year late they are still lucky to even get this phone on top of having the 710 we dont. sucks . leave it to verizon

sprint is said to be getting a next gen moto phone in jan. at lesat according to one store rep. who knows. with that and the 5600 sprint will be back in the phone wars and hopefully be back on top.

a Best buy person said that they market each carrier by their strengths and one of them for sprint was best phones. this hasnt' held true lately but i'm routing for them to get this strength back and maintain it.

[mrmajestic96]

In other words it isn't a fully featured phone.

Coming from Verizon, I wouldn't expect them to do anything different. Big bad VZW sucks.
Check it out, i was a customer service rep for verizon wireless. They control the market. They have a contract with sprint and thats where their pcs service comes from!!! Bet nobody knows that! I have personally seen parts of the contract even though nobody talks about it. Thought people would like that one!!!

[Tigrrre]

Wirelessly posted (Samsung-SPHA680 AU-MIC-A680/2.0 MMP/2.0)

you mean their pcs roaming agreement?

[Marlon_JB2]

This thread brings back memories. :) However, I doubt Verizon has any agreement with Sprint except one for roaming.

[mrmajestic96]

Verizon has a contract allowing them to use all of sprints pcs towers. 2 years ago when I saw it they said that Sprint made more money off of that contract then they make off of all of their own customers. I dont know much more than that really. I worked for a call center that was employed by verizon and the verizon big wigs always came around checking on us and some of them were party boys. They would go out drinking with the training supervisors at our center and one of them showed our supervisors this info. I saw a little of the paper work myself, but not the whole thing.