I Found out how to read the MSL off your phone with a DATA cable!!!!

[jaminmc]

I downloaded a program called BitPim. you can get it from http://bitpim.sourceforge.net/ It allows you to view the filesystem, and even change it. I tried it with me VM4500, and I saved the filesystem onto my laptop. I was browsing the files, and found one with The MSL for my phone. Tried it & it let me into the programming mode. gointo folder /nvm/nvm and there is a file called nvm_0002 that has the info. It has your secerity code, and then it has 2 six digit numbers after that. The 2nd one is you MSL. The first one is one you can use only once. Now if you want to activate your phone on verizon, I bet you could change the MSL to 000000, and then you could do an OTA activation, and it would put the Verizon PRL on your phone. Then all you would need it the ip settings and stuff for the data to work on verizon too. If you fry your phone by modifying this, don't blame me, I haven't tried it.

[sleepdog69]

Originally posted by jaminmc
I downloaded a program called BitPim. you can get it from http://bitpim.sourceforge.net/ It allows you to view the filesystem, and even change it. I tried it with me VM4500, and I saved the filesystem onto my laptop. I was browsing the files, and found one with The MSL for my phone. Tried it & it let me into the programming mode. gointo folder /nvm/nvm and there is a file called nvm_0002 that has the info. It has your secerity code, and then it has 2 six digit numbers after that. The 2nd one is you MSL. The first one is one you can use only once. Now if you want to activate your phone on verizon, I bet you could change the MSL to 000000, and then you could do an OTA activation, and it would put the Verizon PRL on your phone. Then all you would need it the ip settings and stuff for the data to work on verizon too. If you fry your phone by modifying this, don't blame me, I haven't tried it. How did you get it to work for the VM4500, it says is only works with the LG....

[jaminmc]

Get the 0.7-test1 versoin, thats the one I used. It has support for the 4900 and the 8100, and will read the file structure on most CDMA phones-- at least it says it will, so it worked on my vm4500.

[sleepdog69]

Originally posted by jaminmc
Get the 0.7-test1 versoin, thats the one I used. It has support for the 4900 and the 8100, and will read the file structure on most CDMA phones-- at least it says it will, so it worked on my vm4500. Got it, thanks, this sweet!!!!!

[User1485575]

I tried it with me VM4500, and I saved the filesystem onto my laptop. I was browsing the files, and found one with The MSL for my phone. Tried it & it let me into the programming mode. gointo folder /nvm/nvm and there is a file called nvm_0002 that has the info. It has your secerity code, and then it has 2 six digit numbers after that. The 2nd one is you MSL.

Hey, great tip!

I tried the bitpim-0.7-test2 program on both a 8100 and a 5350 using a straight USB cable (no box in the middle), and it works on both phones (only the file system works on the 5350).

The MSL on the 5350 is located in the "/sch/memo.dat" section, not in the /nvm/nvm section, so it may be in a different place for different model phones (I already knew my PRL, so I knew what to look for). The PRL will be in the format "00XXXXXX00", the number BETWEEN the two sets of zeros is the PRL.

BTW, I use the native Win XP.2 SP-1 drivers on each model phone furnished by the phone manufacturer to MS with the straight cable, not the Future Dial furnished one, and am able to use all the Future Dial and bitpim software with no problems.

Maybe Sprintusers can post the location directory for the PRL on different phones.

[narf]

Through trial and error I found the MSL for a Sanyo 8100.
It's in the nvm/nvm/nvm_0002 file. Look on line 80 starting on the 4th digit. The next 6 digits are your MSL, at least they worked to unlock my phone.

Very cool software! Thanks.

[gsi91j]

Reading further into the BitPim, it sounds as if it will allow you to transfer ALL files from the phone. Will this mean that you will be able to transfer the applications/games downloaded via Vision to the computer and then up to another phone? I'm assuming there will be some sort of licensing issue though. Anyone tried this?

I should be getting my data cable today :) Yippie!

[jaminmc]

I haven't been able to find the applications or ringers on the filesystem on my phone.

[orion7144]

I can not get my 4900 to connect with a straight USB cable. I only have the option for COM1.

[jaminmc]

I had to manually type in COM3 on mine because it wouldn't automatically detect it. Then it will work. I Guess I should of mentioned that. OOps.

[RadioSlacker]

Coolness! Downloads can be copied off the phone! I just got my full purchased copy of Monkey Ball off my phone, removed the expiration date (which is in the .JAD file, great security there), and re-uploaded it!

I didn't re-upload with Bitpim, though. I haven't tried any write operations with it yet.

Also, the VGA1000 has the lock code in nvm/nvm/nvm_0002 like the 8100 as listed above. You'll see the number 040793 (Sprint's default debug code), then your lock code, then a six-digit number I don't recognize, then the MSL, right there in the clear. Awesome!

[JPR]

I had to put COM3 to get anywhere with my 4900, it seemed to download, but I got this error, I can't see any data:

An unexpected exception has occurred.
Please see the help for details on what to do.

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "gui.pyo", line 148, in run
File "gui.pyo", line 89, in __call__
File "gui.pyo", line 1036, in getdata
TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not callable

Variables by last 6 frames, innermost last

Frame __bootstrap in threading.pyo at line 436
self = <WorkerThread(BitPim helper, started daemon)>

Frame run in gui.pyo at line 152
e = <exceptions.TypeError instance at 0x01B32440>
res = None
self = <WorkerThread(BitPim helper, started daemon)>
item = (<gui.Request instance at 0x01A75530>, <gui.Callback instanc
call = <gui.Request instance at 0x01A75530>
ex = <exceptions.TypeError instance at 0x01B32440>
resultcb = <gui.Callback instance at 0x01A754E0>
first = 0

Frame __call__ in gui.pyo at line 89
self = <gui.Request instance at 0x01A75530>
args = ()
d = {}
kwargs = {}

Frame getdata in gui.pyo at line 1036
count = 3
i = (<bound method GetPhoneDialog.GetWallpaperSetting of <guiwid
self = <WorkerThread(BitPim helper, started daemon)>
req = <guiwidgets.GetPhoneDialog instance; proxy of C++ wxDialog i
willcall = [(<bound method GetPhoneDialog.GetPhoneBookSetting of <guiwi
results = {'phonebook': {0: {'serials': [{'serial2': 0, 'serial1': 0,
sync = {'phonebook': 'MERGE', 'wallpaper': 'OVERWRITE', 'calendar':
st = 2

EDIT:
I can actually see the data when I do one download at a time. I can see my phone book and the phone data now.
Wow, I got my MSL now. I just followed the original instructions and viola!

[orion7144]

You said just put com3... (I am at work right now so I don't have access to my BitPim) Can you manually type that in?

[Deval]

Originally posted by RadioSlacker
Coolness! Downloads can be copied off the phone! I just got my full purchased copy of Monkey Ball off my phone, removed the expiration date (which is in the .JAD file, great security there), and re-uploaded it!

I didn't re-upload with Bitpim, though. I haven't tried any write operations with it yet.

Also, the VGA1000 has the lock code in nvm/nvm/nvm_0002 like the 8100 as listed above. You'll see the number 040793 (Sprint's default debug code), then your lock code, then a six-digit number I don't recognize, then the MSL, right there in the clear. Awesome!

how? i dont see anyway to go that on the VM4500

[testinthis]

Originally posted by RadioSlacker
Also, the VGA1000 has the lock code in nvm/nvm/nvm_0002 like the 8100 as listed above. You'll see the number 040793 (Sprint's default debug code), then your lock code, then a six-digit number I don't recognize, then the MSL, right there in the clear. Awesome!

How were you able to get into the 2nd level nvm directory without getting an error on the vga 1000?

Thanks

[RadioSlacker]

Originally posted by testinthis
How were you able to get into the 2nd level nvm directory without getting an error on the vga 1000?

I just kept trying. Hit the + sign, wait, clear out of the error box, hit the - to collapse, hit the + again, repeat until successful.

Do a hexdump on the nvm\nvm\nvm_0002 file and you see several numbers. 040793, then your four-digit personal lock code, then the six-digit one-time programming code (which is the one I didn't recognize before), then the six-digit MSL.

All downloads on the VGA1000 are in the \ams branch. I copied off some MIDI downloads from Sprint, and loaded them in Cakewalk. They had some German text in the markers and track names. I wonder what company wrote them.

Also, I finally tried some write operations. Overwriting a _jad file works. You can copy the _jad, delete the line with the expiry date, then overwrite.
Or, you can copy the _jad and _jar, give them appropriate names, edit the .jad to change the URLs, and upload them to ANY phone using the Rumkin.com uploader. ( http://www.rumkin.com/tools/sprint/upload.php )
I haven't tried this with a service-based program like MobiTV yet, though. I doubt it will be possible to mess with anything that remotely validates a license.

Out of curiosity, I tried overwriting a picture in the picture wallet so I could put my screensaver downloads on the outside. No go. BAD idea. Froze the phone when I went into the wallet. Fortunately, I saved the file I overwrote and was able to put it back. Scared the crap out of me for a minute.

Also, I just hooked up a VM4500 out of store stock, and I couldn't find the downloads. I guess it stores them differently. Its nvm\nvm\nvm_0002 file is the same though.

This is too fricking cool. I'm never going to have to call customer service to verify a customer's NAM programming again.

[schettj]

Just tried it on my vga1000 as well - sorta kinda almost works. I get many errors (like the one above) and by repeatedly retrying (collasping and then expanding the directory entry) sometimes I get in. I can't seem to get to any of the apps, but I was able to get into the pictures and save one - the jpeg format seems to be slightly non-standard (IE doesn't like it) but polyview (http://www.polybytes.com) does - so this is a way to get images off the phone.

Hopefully the next rev of the software will work better - I'm gonna contact the author and offer to help debug the vga1000 interface.

Cool tool!

[RadioSlacker]

Just tried a Sanyo RL2000 and a Samsung VI660.

VI660: Same nvm\nvm\nvm_0002 MSL access. Apps accessible under \ams\
RL2000: Same MSL access, no \ams directory, no obvious (to me, anyway) download access.

Maybe the app storage access is a Samsung thing. Of course, I don't have any LG phones to test with anymore, so it could be that everyone but Sanyo has the ability to copy apps.

[Deval]

Wirelessly posted (Sanyo VM4500: Mozilla/4.0 (MobilePhone SCP-5500/US/1.0) NetFront/3.0 MMP/2.0)

Originally posted by RadioSlacker
Just tried a Sanyo RL2000 and a Samsung VI660.

VI660: Same nvm\nvm\nvm_0002 MSL access. Apps accessible under \ams\
RL2000: Same MSL access, no \ams directory, no obvious (to me, anyway) download access.

Maybe the app storage access is a Samsung thing. Of course, I don't have any LG phones to test with anymore, so it could be that everyone but Sanyo has the ability to copy apps.

i looked through all the sub menus and there was nothing there...did find the msl though...ugh! :(

[Maokh]

Nice :) :)

So who's going to decode the PRL and post it?

[jokeman3000]

Originally posted by Maokh
Nice :) :)

So who's going to decode the PRL and post it?

i've decoded prl 10021 just now pretty easily

good website : www.justalurker.com/howto.html

good tool for decoding: www.justalurker.com/prlread.zip

Hope that helps,

jokeman3000

[Xbattery]

interesting find. are you able to copy files over just like you would file explorer or is this different. I like the fact that someone has created a freeware alternative to snapsync. Now if only someone could get the gps program to work.....

[TWucker]

Wirelessly posted (AU-MIC/2.0 MMP/2.0)

so all i need is this software and a snapsync cable?

[Xbattery]

okay after fooling around with this i came across some scary things. Here are my findings within the NVM folder

NVM_0000 Line 240 = Your Phone number

NVM_0001 = Blank file ( probably a dummy file )

NVM_0002 Line 70 = Your security code

NVM_0002 Line 80 = Your MSL code ( thanks to the poster who first found this)

NVM_0003 = Data related file ( Unknown )

NVM_0004 = Smallest file , Blank file

NVM_0005 = #777 related, data transmission of modem string related

NVM_0008 + NVM_0009 + NVM_0010 = Every phone number you thought was deleted from your phone you can now find here in these files....hmmmm wonder why, why would the phone save these numbers...

NVM_0011 = weird file, contains a line of text...not messing with this

NVM_0012 = Blank file

NVM_0013 = Blank file

NVM_0014 = Blank File

NVM_0015 = Blank File

NVM_0016 = unknown data file

NVM_0017 = every word you used to search on the wap browser is stored here, This file has something to do with the T3 file input by recognizing the most common words you use as well.
NVM_0018 = spcs mail related / also #777 and #778 related ( data connection)

NVM_0019 = Blank File

NVM_0020 = Incoming or Missed Call log

NVM_0021 = Saved messages sent via messaging.sprintpcs.com

NVM_0022 = another semi blank file

NVM_0023 = This file makes me sick, its pretty apparent that its the security ticket for the Vision portion of the phone...so much for security...again

NVM_0024 = Vision log in info / saved vision configuration

With so many blank files in the file system there is room for improvement. Perhaps a PTT update....lol J/k. I would like to see someone remove the 512k restriction for games and apps on this phone, respond with your findings.

[Xbattery]

get them at

http://www.sanyo.com/wireless/techys_corner/downloads/sanyo_usb_drivers.zip

these drivers work for me and my 8100

[Xbattery]

Just by a show of hands for anyone who has backed up their phone, about how many files were you able to transfer. On my 8100 i backed up all 62 files and it came around 70k of space

On a sad note there is no way yet to back up the jar/jad files from an 8100 yet...:(...the folder just does not exist

[paran0id]

NVM_0013 = seems to contain past calendar events

NVM_0015 = looks like it contains my first few speed dial #'s


everything else seems to correspond to the previous post. I will do more research when i have more time

[Xbattery]

The 8100 is starting to puzzle me with its way of saving deleted numbers. Nubers i deleted back last june are in the NVM_0008 file. It came in handy for one number i thought i had lost

im following the bitpm site at sourceforge very religeously, thanks for the heads up to the creater of this topic

[gmp029]

Had anyone tried this with the A600 yet??? This sounds sweet!

[Xlife]

this is cool i suppose. So when can we start Johnny Depp-ing games? This is the underground forum ;)

[RadioSlacker]

Originally posted by Xlife
this is cool i suppose. So when can we start Johnny Depp-ing games? This is the underground forum ;)

"Johnny Depp-ing"? I don't get it.

[Xbattery]

he probably wants to freeload on some official sprint games

[jaminmc]

For Everyone who has thanked me for starting this thred: Your Welcome :) And to think I discovered this while at the Sundance Festival :)

[Xlife]

The "Johnnh Depp-ing" was "Pirating" joke.

....read (past tense) the rules, post edited.

[orion7144]

I have 3 4900's and one is out of the 18mth period that I am willing o try and make a RT phone if anyone can download the filesystem using this software.

[Xbattery]

huh???!!!???

[Keyser Soze]

Downloaded latest ver 7, and works found my 8100 instantly (with Snap USB cable from RS). I am able to view/edit my contacts and calender, but sadly my wallpaper and ringtone options are greyed out (and they're the only two I really wanted to access!). Any 8100 users had success accessing those two?

Thanks

[Grey]

Originally posted by Xlife
this is cool i suppose. So when can we start Johnny Depp-ing games? This is the underground forum ;)

I might suggest caution...

It seems to me that Sprint would be able to inventory any files on your phone over the air at any given time. Just a thought...

[OWJones]

I downloaded version 0.7 test 2 and it has a list of phone types, none of which are the VGA 1000 or A620. What phone type did you choose (or did you have to)?

[Maokh]

Originally posted by jokeman3000
i've decoded prl 10021 just now pretty easily

good website : www.justalurker.com/howto.html

good tool for decoding: www.justalurker.com/prlread.zip

Hope that helps,

jokeman3000

I havent been able to find the prl file ..

I have prl_0000 and prl_0001 in my 8100's nvm/prl/ directory. Both files are completely blank.

Also, does anyone know where the firmware, images, downloads, etc. sit on the 8100? I havent found them either.

[Xbattery]

some of the files on the 8100 lie in a separate file system which has yet to be decoded. the prl files are indeed blank. Does anyone own pictures of what the inside of an 8100 looks like, perhaps that could shed some light as to what memory chips are being used.

[jokeman3000]

Originally posted by Maokh
I havent been able to find the prl file ..

I have prl_0000 and prl_0001 in my 8100's nvm/prl/ directory. Both files are completely blank.

Also, does anyone know where the firmware, images, downloads, etc. sit on the 8100? I havent found them either.

PRL_0000 was not blank on my a620. Perhaps sanyo has some sort of extra protection built in?

[gsmornot]

Here is one site with pictures of the inside. It is for led conversions but there may be something for you.

http://mr-productions.com/sprintusers/8100led/

The FCC site from the PhoneScoop link.

https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=311197&native_or_pdf=pdf

There are more on the FCC site but the second link is pretty good.

[kccasey]

Originally posted by Grey
I might suggest caution...

It seems to me that Sprint would be able to inventory any files on your phone over the air at any given time. Just a thought...

I'm not really alarmed that Sprint Could inventory the files on my phone. There is nothing to hide on it. Or any phone for that matter. Why would anyone be paranoid about this anyways?

[Grey]

Originally posted by kccasey
I'm not really alarmed that Sprint Could inventory the files on my phone. There is nothing to hide on it. Or any phone for that matter. Why would anyone be paranoid about this anyways?

I was responding to the person that mentioned uploading pirated games to his phone.

[AthlonNet]

Originally posted by OWJones
I downloaded version 0.7 test 2 and it has a list of phone types, none of which are the VGA 1000 or A620. What phone type did you choose (or did you have to)?

I would like to know this also :D

[jaminmc]

Originally posted by Grey
I might suggest caution...

It seems to me that Sprint would be able to inventory any files on your phone over the air at any given time. Just a thought...
IF that were true, doen't you think they would udate your PRL at any time?

[Xbattery]

call me crazy for thinking this......but if past phone numbers were meant to be deleted, why are they still saved on the phone, sprint could get these numbers at any time and telemarket the crap out of those numbers...and you wont even know it.......could the 8100 be a trojan horse..........

[christos]

Saved ph#: I bet's it's because people come in, "I dialed this number, and it didn't save it, and I NEED it, blah blah blah". This way they can actually pull the info.

Is there any update? I too own a VM4500, and was able to view some basic info on the phone. Wish I could download the Java apps, (dog animation, games) and also figure out what format those animated screens are in...

[orion7144]

This program would probably be pretty easy to change to adapt to most of the Sanyo phones. There is a developement email list that you can get on. Probably just changing the path to were things are. If I get some time I will be able to do the 4900 since I want to be able to xfer ringtones to my other 4900's.

[tim.s]

FWIW, I couldn't get BitPim to work on my Win 2k laptop (no matter which COM was used), but it worked first try (auto) on my Win XP desktop. Might be a difference in drivers...

[Strider420]

Originally posted by tim.s
FWIW, I couldn't get BitPim to work on my Win 2k laptop (no matter which COM was used), but it worked first try (auto) on my Win XP desktop. Might be a difference in drivers...

Was your phone listed in the modems on the control panel? It might just be that the laptop was not recognizing your phone.

[jokeman3000]

While looking through the filesystem and yes i'll admit to this trying to remove the expiration from The Weather Channel App, i realized that we have both read and write access to the phone's file system. Now if we could only get hold of our respective original manafacturer firmwares i do believe we could hack in sms.

Dreams maybe...

but i'll be the edge of my seat for that samsung employee who happens to have a copy of the original vga1000 firmware :)

[christos]

Originally posted by orion7144
This program would probably be pretty easy to change to adapt to most of the Sanyo phones. There is a developement email list that you can get on. Probably just changing the path to were things are. If I get some time I will be able to do the 4900 since I want to be able to xfer ringtones to my other 4900's.

I signed up for it. I'm no programmer though.

I did grab a dll/exe decompiler, but am totally unfamiliar with where I could even begin to find the file/code which specifies which X to X memory addresses to pull information from off of the phone. (If data is even pulled that way...)

[orion7144]

Originally posted by christos
I signed up for it. I'm no programmer though.

I did grab a dll/exe decompiler, but am totally unfamiliar with where I could even begin to find the file/code which specifies which X to X memory addresses to pull information from off of the phone. (If data is even pulled that way...)

I will get a chance to mess around with it later this week... It is not so much about programing as it is about debuging. When you select (from what I recall last week) the ringers and screensavers it pops up with an error. That error shows the what is messed up in the program that needs to be changed. It is probably just a path that needs to be corrected for our phone. We should be able to get this pretty quickly if we could figure out where the ringers are stored.

[jdoggz]

I have a Samsung VGA1000/A620.

When I use the get data option, and select wallpapers and ringers, I get an error message: An unexpected exception has occurred.
Please see the help for details on what to do.

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "gui.pyo", line 197, in run
File "gui.pyo", line 138, in __call__
File "gui.pyo", line 1003, in getdata
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 461, in getwallpapers
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 445, in getprettystuff
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 428, in getindex
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 689, in getfilecontents
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 889, in sendbrewcommand
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 928, in _sendbrewcommand
BrewNoSuchFileException: No such file

How are you all getting your data? When I go into the filesystem, I can see all of my files, but what would I use to view them or open them?

[jokeman3000]

Originally posted by jdoggz
How are you all getting your data? When I go into the filesystem, I can see all of my files, but what would I use to view them or open them?

Don't use the "Get Data" function of the program, doesn't work on the VGA 1000. What you want to do is download via the filesystem tab. All your apps and games are under the AMS directory or something like that.. not at home so can't tell you.

as for viewing the files. Jar and Jad are java files. However the smaller of the two (Jad i believe) can be opened via notepad. The larger can be opened via Winrar. As for downloading pics, they are jpeg, however windows picture viewer, and IE do not read them. I would suggest photoshop, another user (if you go back in the thread) suggested a program that works to read the files.

If you are planning on editing the programs remember to make backups first so you don't mess up the original you purchased.

Hope that helps,

Jokeman3000

[jdoggz]

I still can't find a way to listen to the ringers!! Has anyone had any luck with this? When I look at them in the file system, they have no extension to them.

[Maokh]

Could someone send me the PRL file? I'd be interested in looking at it..

I would guess that the phonebook marks the numbers as "deleted" to avoid rewriting the entire phonebook file on the nvram over and over as new numbers are added or deleted. I know a lot of people who write database code this way.

[orion7144]

Originally posted by jdoggz
I have a Samsung VGA1000/A620.

When I use the get data option, and select wallpapers and ringers, I get an error message: An unexpected exception has occurred.
Please see the help for details on what to do.

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "gui.pyo", line 197, in run
File "gui.pyo", line 138, in __call__
File "gui.pyo", line 1003, in getdata
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 461, in getwallpapers
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 445, in getprettystuff
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 428, in getindex
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 689, in getfilecontents
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 889, in sendbrewcommand
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 928, in _sendbrewcommand
BrewNoSuchFileException: No such file

How are you all getting your data? When I go into the filesystem, I can see all of my files, but what would I use to view them or open them?

The above is how easly the program should be able to be changed to suit our phones. It gives the line # and file that we need to change to match the paths for our phones. I will be doing this this weekend and if successfull I will post it.

[Xbattery]

looking forward to that, youll be a god if you accomplish this....seriously

[SCURaja]

wow! this topic rocks! so much potential!
i tested the filesystem option on my a620 and it worked, i was able to get my msl code and change a few gcd files. Now, we should do two things:
i have a futuredial hydra cable, attached the a500 to it, I tried both ways the green and red attachments and NO luck from reading its filesystem (i want to get that aquarium screen saver onto the a620)
Next: My sis uses an a460 and I have been trying to get her some descent ringers for some time. Again I used the futuredial hydra cable..and no luck getting the filesystem. Any ideas would be GREATLY appreciated..
thanks in advanced

[RadioSlacker]

I tried the newest drivers for the hydra cable on an N400 and couldn't it get it to work even though it detected as a modem and worked for SnapSync and Dialer. I think it's the cable, though, not the phone. There are other cables out there.

[bikerjohn]

ok did eveything right and got my msl for my 8100 now what do i do with it lol

[RadioSlacker]

Originally posted by bikerjohn
ok did eveything right and got my msl for my 8100 now what do i do with it lol

Honestly, if you don't know what to do with it, you probably don't need it.

Your MSL is used to program your phone's NAM settings after the initial activation. Since I don't know a better way to describe it (I work for RadioShack, not Sprint), the NAM settings are essentially the ID settings for your phone to talk to Sprint's towers, and the MSL lets you change these settings.

There's nothing particularly useful to do to your own phone with this kind of access, except for certain troubleshooting procedures that most people would be better off calling Sprint about anyway.

In theory, if you have a phone model that's used by more than one company, and that other company allows Customer Provided Equipment, and you can find a store with a clueful technician, then having the MSL will let you flash your phone with the alternative company's firmware and roaming list so you can use it on their network. I honestly don't know if Sprint is currently sharing any models with any other domestic providers.

The MSL might come in handy if you ever change phones. Once your old phone is deactivated, you can use the MSL to erase all your programming data before giving it away or selling it.

I've gotten the MSL for my last three phones simply because it makes me feel like I have a greater degree of control over my hardware, even if I don't really need it.

[docbrown88]

Originally posted by RadioSlacker The MSL might come in handy if you ever change phones. Once your old phone is deactivated, you can use the MSL to erase all your programming data before giving it away or selling it.[/B]

You mean like those phone numbers you _thought_ you deleted? I'd sure like to know, since this program is available, that the guy I eBay my phone to can't dig up my phone book.

Is the residual phone number data kind of like how deleted stuff gets left on your hard drive until it's overwritten? Or is it more intentional by sprint/phone mfr/law enforcement?

[sanyo5500]

has anybody mastered the file systems on the sanyo scp series yet with BitPim? I need to know a few things about it. My data cable should be in the mail tomorrow, and i've already downloaded both versions of BitPim. I got big plans. I figure since the good games on sprint are hard to find for free, i'd pay for the downloads (all 2 billion of them) and rip them off my phone for future phones that i might have or to give to my friends. Good idea huh?

Has anybody done this before? What do i need to do? What cant be done? and is there anything else i need to know before i start this project?

[RadioSlacker]

Originally posted by docbrown88
You mean like those phone numbers you _thought_ you deleted? I'd sure like to know, since this program is available, that the guy I eBay my phone to can't dig up my phone book.

Is the residual phone number data kind of like how deleted stuff gets left on your hard drive until it's overwritten? Or is it more intentional by sprint/phone mfr/law enforcement?

Good question. I don't have an answer yet, and I don't know if anyone does.

I think most likely it's a simple oversight on the part of the firmware programmers. But the fact that it seems to be consistent across manufacturers appears kind of odd.

As far as erasing them yourself, I'm not crazy enough (yet) to try to edit critical files like that, since the only phone I have to test with happens to be one I'd like to remain functional. I'd think that doing a "save" operation with BitPim, overwriting the digits of deleted numbers with a hex editor, and then doing an "overwrite" would work. But like I said, that's purely hypothetical.

[randar]

Originally posted by Strider420
Was your phone listed in the modems on the control panel? It might just be that the laptop was not recognizing your phone.

Okay, so explain this to me (as if I am a 6-year old child). How do I get my phone to show up as a modem? When I install drivers and plug in the phone and cable, all I can get is a "Prolific USB-to-Serial Device (COM4)" to show up. What do I need to do to make my phone recognized by the OS (WinXP) as a modem?


Originally posted by docbrown88
You mean like those phone numbers you thought you deleted? I'd sure like to know, since this program is available, that the guy I eBay my phone to can't dig up my phone book.

Is the residual phone number data kind of like how deleted stuff gets left on your hard drive until it's overwritten? Or is it more intentional by sprint/phone mfr/law enforcement?


This part is MHO. Your hard drive on your computer stores pointers to the starting points of files when you save things (simple version). So, when you hit DELETED, you remove those pointers. The actual files don't go anywhere until overwritten. I would go ahead and say the phone memory is exactly the same. The numbers aren't stored for some nefarious purpose. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

[Maokh]

You wouldnt want to rewrite the phonebook everytime an entry was deleted.

It puts wear on the flash, and its just looking to become corrupted if the phone is powered off at the incorrect moment during the re-write. It also makes the process a lot faster....

Like all other file systems and databases, the record is just marked as "deleted". Much less destructive.

[inteller2]

Originally posted by jaminmc
I downloaded a program called BitPim. you can get it from http://bitpim.sourceforge.net/ It allows you to view the filesystem, and even change it. I tried it with me VM4500, and I saved the filesystem onto my laptop. I was browsing the files, and found one with The MSL for my phone. Tried it & it let me into the programming mode. gointo folder /nvm/nvm and there is a file called nvm_0002 that has the info. It has your secerity code, and then it has 2 six digit numbers after that. The 2nd one is you MSL. The first one is one you can use only once. Now if you want to activate your phone on verizon, I bet you could change the MSL to 000000, and then you could do an OTA activation, and it would put the Verizon PRL on your phone. Then all you would need it the ip settings and stuff for the data to work on verizon too. If you fry your phone by modifying this, don't blame me, I haven't tried it.

"I USED A HEX EDITOR TO EDIT THE FILE ,WORKED FINE, BUT WHEN YOU TRY TO OVERWRITE IT , YOU GET AN ERROR MESSAGE WHICH BASICALLY SAY'S THE FILE IS LOCKED.

[sanyo5500]

any luck finding the ams directory on sanyos?

[bryan5511]

If you get your MLS I have heard that you can spoof you phone number.

[sanyo5500]

Originally posted by bryan5511
If you get your MLS I have heard that you can spoof you phone number.

"lucy... u got some splainin to do!"

could you splain what dat means. "spoof". sounds like your making your phone magically disappear.

[Maokh]

heheheh...go ahead and change the number....

this i got to see :)

Better call SPCS and arrange a warranty shipment ahead of time

[wp3gi]

Can someone post the PRL file?

[Xbattery]

remember when you ask for anything software related its a felony on sprintusers.com...lol

BTW did any of you hear about a nasty rumor on readylinkusers.com, a website dedicated to preventing piracy and mp3 use is doing random port searches on any user that logs on. the site is called Grayzone.com ( posing as pair.sneakers.com). Somehow they ping your ip address through this site. I read something about this on peerguardians forums regarding its ip blocking software. I hope this is not true. I joined that board not too long ago and the crew over there seems very cool for the most part

In the meantime be careful what you say or do on these boards, but remember that expirimentation and exploration create a better knowledge of what we hold against our ears.

I hope that BitPim becomes a powerfull freeware tool for us to upload ringers and pics to our phones, but after doing some research about "filesystems"...youre actually voilating sprints terms of agreement on reverse engineering ( that includes even hex editing your phonebook ). I hope that one of the creators of BitPim is reading this so that their program does not become a big controversy. As of today I have become less fond of BitPim ( only due to lack of sanyo support ) in favor of my good ol copy of snapmedia...BTW that pic of janets boob is on my rl2500 as a background pic.

[missnglnk]

Ok. /nvm/$SYS.ESN has the ESN (bit-swapped?) plus 87 bytes of padding (all ones).

The first 4 bytes are your ESN, it looks like: CC DD AA BB

Flip that around to AA BB CC DD and it'll match the ESN on the back of your phone.

But the ESN is followed by 8 more bytes. What are those?

[missnglnk]

Originally posted by Xbattery
NVM_0023 = This file makes me sick, its pretty apparent that its the security ticket for the Vision portion of the phone...so much for security...again

[/B]

This file contains the URL to short mail, and SSL signing certificates for companies who are allowed to generate SSL certificates such as Verisign, eTrust, Thawte, etc. It's not anything sensitive.

In Internet Explorer, go to Tools/Internet Options. Click on the Content tab and then click on Certificates. Then browse through the Intermediate Certification Authorities and Trusted Root Certification Authorities tabs.

Just like IE will warn you when you go to a site signed by a SSL signer other than the ones it has in those two tabs, your phone will either warn you or not display the page (most likely since it doesn't have enough room to save certificates all day).

[Xbattery]

missinglink, tread these waters carefully if you are continuing to view your phones filesystem. I quit researching with bitpim when someone put me onto some highlighted terms on the spcs user agreement.

"We may suspend your use of Premium Services without prior consent or notice if we have reason to suspect fraudulent or unauthorized use of your premium services account, but we will make no assurances that we will suspend your account." - RL2500 handbook page 57

So for those out there who are hex editing the expiration dates ( all you samsung users ) youre in threat of loosing your vision account and sprint does not have to alert you, but sprint MAY let you still keep your main account without termination. And they highly ephasize the word "may".

Being thast Premium content is visible to any owner using BitPim on a phone other than a sanyo, accessing and editing the source of your jad/jar files is considered unauthorized use. I will be making a thread putting some of the legal terms located in your handbook in "laymans" terms sometime within today. It may seem like mumbo jumbo in the back of your handbook, but these are laws that sprintpcs has been granted is expected to be understood whether you have read them or not.

Chances are if you had done something wrong and say " i didnt know" the rep youre speaking to will pull the good ol' " SPCS Terms of Agreement " speech...

[Maokh]

I dont think there is any facility for sprint to perform routine checks on what content exists on your handset, and in what form.

[Xbattery]

In the same faction that sprint has the ability to locate your whereabouts even after you have shut down the location service, the same rules apply to vision. Ever notice how when you start an app the up/down arrows start to move, they do this even if you have selected "network always unavailable" through the games option screen. T-Mobile has proven that it can erase downloaded content without the users permission though its sidekick 2 way pager. Even in the user agreement sprint states that it can erase information in your phone without contacting you first.

[StevenJW]

Originally posted by Xbattery
I will be making a thread putting some of the legal terms located in your handbook in "laymans" terms sometime within today.

I look forward to this thread. You are 'warning' people not to do things that, in my opinion, are not wrong. Analyzing what is on your phone or backing up the data for your personal use is fair. I agree that stealing software (by porting to unlicensed users or modifying expiration codes) is wrong. I am interested in your interpretation of what is allowed, what is not, and why.

[Analog]

Originally posted by Xbattery
missinglink, tread these waters carefully if you are continuing to view your phones filesystem. I quit researching with bitpim when someone put me onto some highlighted terms on the spcs user agreement.

"We may suspend your use of Premium Services without prior consent or notice if we have reason to suspect fraudulent or unauthorized use of your premium services account, but we will make no assurances that we will suspend your account." - RL2500 handbook page 57

So for those out there who are hex editing the expiration dates ( all you samsung users ) youre in threat of loosing your vision account and sprint does not have to alert you, but sprint MAY let you still keep your main account without termination. And they highly ephasize the word "may".



Eh, whatever.

Keep pumpin', guys. Let me know when you figure out how to up/download videos from a VM4500 with BitPim. Aw, yeah!

[missnglnk]

I could care less about premium content, I'm more interested in the phone internals. I'd love to see what the assembly code looks like.

[Philwinkle]

Could Xbattery please be more paranoid?

[Xbattery]

'winkle, so youre saying instead i should advocate hacking the "fuxor" out of a sanyo phone and report my findings to the immediate public with total disregard to violating multiple sprint policies.

You seem not to be bothered by the fact anything wrong is illegal, but to each is his own

Feel free to do what you want from your phone, dont be too concerned with "paranoia", go ahead contribute something to this thread while you can.

[missnglnk]

Paranoia can be your friend in certain situations.

[Strider420]

Originally posted by Xbattery
In the same faction that sprint has the ability to locate your whereabouts even after you have shut down the location service, the same rules apply to vision. Ever notice how when you start an app the up/down arrows start to move, they do this even if you have selected "network always unavailable" through the games option screen. T-Mobile has proven that it can erase downloaded content without the users permission though its sidekick 2 way pager. Even in the user agreement sprint states that it can erase information in your phone without contacting you first.

1st off, Sprint does not have the ability to locate your "whereabouts" at all. If they could, then why can't they find the phone I left on the bus?

As far as the "moving arrows" are concerned, ever try running a game/app w/ vision disabled? Guess what, it still works. Sprint states a lot of things that "can" and "may" happen mostly to cover their own arses.

[Xbattery]

First strider, you call the BUS companies depot to find your phone, not sprint. And if your phone was not found, then someone probably shut it off for you and sold it on ebay.

Secondly use the search button, sprint can find your location...even without location services, there are plenty of topics on "triangulation", a method normally used by law enforcement to locate a persons whereabouts when a call is made

Read your phones manual strider...very carefully

[Strider420]

Originally posted by Xbattery
First strider, you call the BUS companies depot to find your phone, not sprint. And if your phone was not found, then someone probably shut it off for you and sold it on ebay.

Secondly use the search button, sprint can find your location...even without location services, there are plenty of topics on "triangulation", a method normally used by law enforcement to locate a persons whereabouts when a call is made

Read your phones manual strider...very carefully

This question was rhetorical as I have never lost my phone. I just wanted to illustrate that the location services are inaccessible to anyone, including Sprint (at this point), with the exception of 911 in cities where E911 has been implemented. If this "triangulation" was already available, than anyone who has lost thier phone could easily recover it by having Sprint give them the location of their phone (after they have proven ownership of course) after reporting it lost or stolen.

By the way I always read my manual and know everything that my phone is/isn't capable of so the one in need of search button, my friend, is you. Try looking up "GPS API" and you will learn that Sprint hasn't made the tools to access any of the phones GPS data as of yet.

[sanyo5500]

Originally posted by Analog
Eh, whatever.

Keep pumpin', guys. Let me know when you figure out how to up/download videos from a VM4500 with BitPim. Aw, yeah!

let me know too!

[sanyo5500]

Originally posted by Strider420
This question was rhetorical as I have never lost my phone. I just wanted to illustrate that the location services are inaccessible to anyone, including Sprint (at this point), with the exception of 911 in cities where E911 has been implemented. If this "triangulation" was already available, than anyone who has lost thier phone could easily recover it by having Sprint give them the location of their phone (after they have proven ownership of course) after reporting it lost or stolen.

By the way I always read my manual and know everything that my phone is/isn't capable of so the one in need of search button, my friend, is you. Try looking up "GPS API" and you will learn that Sprint hasn't made the tools to access any of the phones GPS data as of yet.

dont worry about man... they are in their 20s with gray hairs.

[stellaphile]

Anyone had any luck reading the MSL off of a slider. I just bought a Bell Mobility slider off ebay, and ofcourse the MSL has already been set and I have no idea what it is. Thanks broheems

[Lion]

I tried my A600 with a straight through USB cable under both Win2k and Linux. With both OSs, the phone is recognized as a a serial device. And the result is that in both cases the phone would crash a few seconds after clicking the [+] Filesystem button. The phone would turn off without the standard 'shutdown' sequence.

I notice that the logging indicates that the program is trying to set "Brew Mode", which AFAIK, is not available on these phones. We use JME, not BREW. Don't know if this is relevant or not.

Also, in inspecting the logs, it looks like the program DOES successfully send a command to the phone, BUT, the phone must not like it and bombs.

[shdwx14]

My g/f wants to activate her inactive Sanyo 8100 on VZW's network, even though only the voice feature is all she'll get out of it. I read earlier in teh post that you can get the MSL, which is awesome. Once I get the MSL wouldn't I just be able to put it in and change the phone setting to as needed in the VZW location that we are in and then do a *22800 (since I live in the Michigan area) and then the phone would be active? I saw someone say that you might be able to change the one-time MSL to all zero's but is that needed (I'm nervous about doing that and messing the phone up) since I can get the other MSL and get into the secret settings on the phone? Thanks for all of your help in advance!
Also, I doubt Sprint would do this, but if I were to call Customer Care would they give me the MSL? I really doubt it, but it was worth asking. It just seems like since my g/f owns the phone she should be able to get it.

[missnglnk]

Originally posted by Strider420
This question was rhetorical as I have never lost my phone. I just wanted to illustrate that the location services are inaccessible to anyone, including Sprint (at this point), with the exception of 911 in cities where E911 has been implemented. If this "triangulation" was already available, than anyone who has lost thier phone could easily recover it by having Sprint give them the location of their phone (after they have proven ownership of course) after reporting it lost or stolen.

By the way I always read my manual and know everything that my phone is/isn't capable of so the one in need of search button, my friend, is you. Try looking up "GPS API" and you will learn that Sprint hasn't made the tools to access any of the phones GPS data as of yet.

That is completely idiotic. Why should Sprint waste thousands of dollars, hours of manpower, and hours of equipment use for each lost cell phone? From a business standpoint, it's more economical to give the user a new phone (assuming they had insurance) or make them pay for a new phone (which most people without insurance will do anyway).

Sprint hasn't made the GPS functions available because it's not part of the MIDP 1.0 specification. Nokia, Sprint, Sun and several other team members are still implementing JSR-179. When MIDP 2.0 is released on new phones, then you'll have location based services.

It's not a matter of Sprint holding onto GPS APIs to make your life harder. Jeez, read up on some of this stuff before running your mouth or at least remember that stuff does occur behind the scenes that you have no clue about.

[Maokh]

Law enforcement has always had access to triangulation facilities, even ghetto AMPS and TDMA had some pretty usable systems. But none of this can be accessed without a warrant by outside agencies.

Yes, even CDMA is included. Its not as accurate as E911 specifications however.

A SprintPCS employee with proper access (perhaps an engineer) could determine the location of a handset, but this would not only be against company policy, but border on illegality.

[Xbattery]

so strider420......where is your defense....
( the sound of silence )

[Maokh]

Strider420 wasnt incorrect in his post.

There is no realistic way for a CSR to determine where a handset is at a given time.

[Strider420]

Originally posted by missnglnk
That is completely idiotic. Why should Sprint waste thousands of dollars, hours of manpower, and hours of equipment use for each lost cell phone? From a business standpoint, it's more economical to give the user a new phone (assuming they had insurance) or make them pay for a new phone (which most people without insurance will do anyway).

Sprint is already adding GPS location services so its not like they wasted thousands (I'm sure it's a bit more than a few G's)just to find your phone but as a side effect, the technology could be used to perform the aforementioned action and find your phone for you. Which, by the way, as shocking as it might seem, Sprint might do as I have had them jump through many a hoop in order to help locate my friend's lost phone. Please make sure you understand my post fully before running to the keyboard (I know your idea might escape you but be patient).

Originally posted by missnglnk
Sprint hasn't made the GPS functions available because it's not part of the MIDP 1.0 specification. Nokia, Sprint, Sun and several other team members are still implementing JSR-179. When MIDP 2.0 is released on new phones, then you'll have location based services.

It's not a matter of Sprint holding onto GPS APIs to make your life harder. Jeez, read up on some of this stuff before running your mouth or at least remember that stuff does occur behind the scenes that you have no clue about.

Again please reread my previous post as it seems you did not understand completely. I stated that Sprint hasn't made the tools available as I know that only Midp2.0 gives Java apps access to the phones gps services. The reason I posted "search for GPS API" is that I know this search string will provide the necessary information. I'm not one to make personal attacks on people so I suggest you keep yor post as intellingent sounding as possible and avoid making assumptions about what "I don't have no clue about".

[Strider420]

Sorry if I sounded rude.

[missnglnk]

In your original post, you surround triangulation in quotes as if you're skeptical to its existence and continue with further sarcasm. My point is the equipment, manpower, and respective financial resources required to perform a SINGLE triangulation event is again, much more valuable than a single subscriber's phone.

How can Sprint not have access to location information yet be able to pass it to the respective public safety organizations? The E911-enhanced phones use gpsOne (http://www.snaptrack.com) to determine their location before transmitting it to Sprint's equipment which then passes it to the responsible E911 call center.

You can't just swap out MIDP 1.0 and 2.0 on a phone. It requires you to replace the firmware, and once again a business decision looms. Rather than tie up Sprint stores around the country updating firmware (not PRLs) and waste money on manpower, just include it in newer phones. Again, why should Sprint give developers a propietary method for accessing the location of the phone now, when they know it's going to change later, which will force developers to recode all their apps? The demand will still be there, developers can wait once the standard is established.

And lastly, why should Sprint allow CSRs to access the location of the phone? That would be a major privacy concern challenged by the public. Why should a CSR tell a subscriber where their lost/stolen phone is? So the CSR can send them into harm's way and let Sprint have a lawsuit on their hands?

For a lost or stolen phone, Sprint will never give you the location. They'll pass it off to law enforcement to go retrieve the phone, or at the most, the insurance carrier for your phone, but not you. So this whole thing is a moot point.

[white02wrx]

i DL the latest version of bitpim and with my sanyo 5500 can;t fig out how to access all the info if it is possible with my phone. can someone please tell me what steps and setting i need to view what everyone else is talking about.
thanks

[white02wrx]

i DL the latest version of bitpim and with my sanyo 5500 can;t fig out how to access all the info if it is possible with my phone. can someone please tell me what steps and setting i need to view what everyone else is talking about.
thanks

[Guy]

Wirelessly posted (AU-MIC/2.0 MMP/2.0)

I'll have 2 try this out 2morrow!

[Strider420]

Originally posted by missnglnk
In your original post, you surround triangulation in quotes as if you're skeptical to its existence and continue with further sarcasm. My point is the equipment, manpower, and respective financial resources required to perform a SINGLE triangulation event is again, much more valuable than a single subscriber's phone.

How can Sprint not have access to location information yet be able to pass it to the respective public safety organizations? The E911-enhanced phones use gpsOne (http://www.snaptrack.com) to determine their location before transmitting it to Sprint's equipment which then passes it to the responsible E911 call center.

You can't just swap out MIDP 1.0 and 2.0 on a phone. It requires you to replace the firmware, and once again a business decision looms. Rather than tie up Sprint stores around the country updating firmware (not PRLs) and waste money on manpower, just include it in newer phones. Again, why should Sprint give developers a propietary method for accessing the location of the phone now, when they know it's going to change later, which will force developers to recode all their apps? The demand will still be there, developers can wait once the standard is established.

And lastly, why should Sprint allow CSRs to access the location of the phone? That would be a major privacy concern challenged by the public. Why should a CSR tell a subscriber where their lost/stolen phone is? So the CSR can send them into harm's way and let Sprint have a lawsuit on their hands?

For a lost or stolen phone, Sprint will never give you the location. They'll pass it off to law enforcement to go retrieve the phone, or at the most, the insurance carrier for your phone, but not you. So this whole thing is a moot point.

Well said. I wasn't aware that it was against Sprint's policy to give out info like that to the account owner. I've had reps do stuff like that so I guess they were just ignorant to policy or didn't care. As far as GPS is concerned, we wont probably won't see anything w/ the current phones as we all know Sprint is about updating handsets. My main point however was that Sprint doesn't know where you are and neither do they care. Unless you are as wanted as bin laden, you don't have to worry about Sprint tracking you down and your girlfriend finding out your at your baby's mama's house making a booty call.

[Guy]

Tried it today w/ my A600, no luck. ***!?!?

[NeonElixir]

Say I download this software for my 5500... what exactly can I use it for other than to obtain my MSL? Thanks.

[Xbattery]

basically nothing as of yet, there is no sanyo support

[tim.s]

Originally posted by NeonElixir
Say I download this software for my 5500... what exactly can I use it for other than to obtain my MSL? Thanks. If it works like the other Sanyo's you can only back up your contacts and calendar information - no access to pictures, ringers, or downloads.

[Analog]

I tried it with my 5500 and it couldn't do anything except browse some of the raw data in the filesystem.

[sanyo5500]

Originally posted by Analog
I tried it with my 5500 and it couldn't do anything except browse some of the raw data in the filesystem.

get snapmedia 1.6 do the .ini trick and you can download the pictures and the video from the 5500.

[Matt]

Wirelessly posted (A Six Hundred: AU-MIC/2.0 MMP/2.0)

As if getting the MSL is so difficult to get.

[steveymacjr]

Wirelessly posted (A500: VM4050/132.037 UP.Browser/6.2.2.4.e.1.100 (GUI) MMP/2.0)

Hey anything for the 4050? Thanks

[zjdo]

how about treo600?
can i use bitpim to extract msl for sprint treo600?
i desperately need the msl code,any info highly apprecitated

[aitech]

Originally posted by sanyo5500
get snapmedia 1.6 do the .ini trick and you can download the pictures and the video from the 5500.

Care to share the .ini "trick" ? :)

[poopsieflys]

version .4 was just released. Haven't tried it yet, hopefully sanyo support???

[R2X]

Any idea's if you could turn a 40-- into a rl phone by putting the software from the rl version on it?

[Matt]

Wirelessly posted (A Six Hundred: AU-MIC/2.0 MMP/2.0)

This thread cracks me up.

[dumwaldo]

Originally posted by zjdo
how about treo600?
can i use bitpim to extract msl for sprint treo600?
i desperately need the msl code,any info highly apprecitated

if you can explain to me why you "desperately need" the MSL i will tell you step by step EXACTLY how to get the MSL.

peace,
dumwaldo

[zjdo]

how can i use a through usb data calbe to extract msl code in sprint treo 600?

i need the code to use treo 600 in a china's cdma network.

[vmgeek]

cool.........

[rrussell50]

has anyone figured out how to change the MSL to all 000000 so i can use it with another carrier for OTA activation ?

i was able to take the file off the phone change it (nvm_002) but i cannot load it back onto the phone

[bask0g]

i used the msl code on my phone to change my vision login to be that of my wife's phone...and it worked. i was able to login to vision. we are on a shared plan. can sprint detect this?

also, will sprint know it is going to my phone and not hers? my phone doesn't have vision but hers does. i don't want to get some outrageous charge for using vision.

[Bohemian Iconoclast]

Originally posted by rrussell50
has anyone figured out how to change the MSL to all 000000 so i can use it with another carrier for OTA activation ?

i was able to take the file off the phone change it (nvm_002) but i cannot load it back onto the phone

That's playing with fire. There are "a thousand" details in the provider's chip. MSL is only one of them.

[dataman]

Originally posted by bask0g
i used the msl code on my phone to change my vision login to be that of my wife's phone...and it worked. i was able to login to vision. we are on a shared plan. can sprint detect this?

also, will sprint know it is going to my phone and not hers? my phone doesn't have vision but hers does. i don't want to get some outrageous charge for using vision.

how do u change your vision login in a 8100

would you please share it with us!

[TknCareOfBsnss]

Originally posted by jdoggz
I have a Samsung VGA1000/A620.


File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 461, in getwallpapers
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 445, in getprettystuff
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 428, in getindex
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 689, in getfilecontents
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 889, in sendbrewcommand
File "com_lgvx4400.pyo", line 928, in _sendbrewcommand
BrewNoSuchFileException: No such file


im surprised no one picked up on this

lgvx4400??

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/zoom.php?p=214&g=1

odd or just me?

[delta53]

I was wondering if I am able to upload java games into my sprint vga 1000 phone through my data cable? Secondly, is any java game compatible with this phone? Lastly, where can I get free games that works?




Thanks


also, with the bowling game that comes with the phone, the full game can be unlock, if, in the .jad file, true is changed to false in the line "demo=true". How creative of them.

[ifi]

Which phone type to use for VI660?

Thanks!

[johnequickiii]

This may sound totally noob, but what is an MSL?

[Deval]

Originally posted by johnequickiii
This may sound totally noob, but what is an MSL?

its in the faq... www.sprintusers.com/faq

its the lock code used to get into menu settings which you shouldnt touch

[johnequickiii]

My phone keeps restarting almost every time I do stuff on the net. Is there anything I can do besides getting it flashed?

Also, If I do need it flashed, Is there any way for me to download everything off of the phone?

Can I do it with bitpim?

Thanks for your answers.

[dfwtxpatrick]

I breezed through this post looking for more information on the RL7300.

I have a data cable that charges and works w/ the 4900/8100/5300/5400/5500/7200 & 7300.

My newest version of the BitPim doesn't seem to do anything w/ these phones other than get the phonebook and calendar.

Does anyone know if it will be updated w/ the information for me to get my downloads as well?

Pls let me know.

Thanks.

[CMSterling]

haha ok kids, this is all very interresting and funny, but you're all just stating the obvious.

if you can't get your phone to connect (via COM ports, etc.) then you probably don't know enough about computers/programming/etc to be messing with your phone.

for those of you blabbing about the MSL code, that was one of the first things i found on accident while playing with the .7 beta of BitPim -- was it really that difficult for you to double-click the right node in the filesystem browser?? haha

reguardless - i'd be interrested to talk to some people who ACTUALLY KNOW a thing or two about programming and reverse engineering. i know quite a few languages myself, but unfortunately Python is not amoung them (why would anyone use this trash!?)

anyway, im using some crap USB cable i payed $5 for on eBay - i downloaded the USB drivers from FutureDial, they worked fine (XP recognizes the SCP-5500 anyway without it) and was able to do phonebook and calender operations seemlessly.

i used some API in VisualBasic and ENABLED those stupid radio buttons for PICTURES & RINGERS, it actually enabled the whole block of checkboxes next to it (the ADD/REPLACE), however -- this is the sad part -- it still crashed/errored when i tried to sync it.

i was thinking of porting this whole application to VB or C++, anyone interrested?? let me know if you know Py and we'll put something together...



oh and for people XBattery, listen - i payed around $250 for my 5500, and i love it. but realize that I PAYED FOR IT, so it's MINE and i will mess with it and it's games/software/etc HOWEVER I WANT because i own it. maybe you borrowed your phone or stole it or something so you feel bad for doing "illegal" things with it, but shut up and live a little. at an average of $1 per ringtone, i DONT THINK SPRINT IS HURTING for your little tetris game...



OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE, THE FUTURE IS OPEN-SOURCE

[ifi]

i was thinking of porting this whole application to VB or C++, anyone interrested?? let me know if you know Py and we'll put something together...
OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE, THE FUTURE IS OPEN-SOURCE
I'm interested in porting - let me know how can I help.

Experience:
Python = None
VB/VC++ = 6 Years

[Why]

...
i used some API in VisualBasic and ENABLED those stupid radio buttons for PICTURES & RINGERS, it actually enabled the whole block of checkboxes next to it (the ADD/REPLACE), however -- this is the sad part -- it still crashed/errored when i tried to sync it.

If the code for the Picutres and Ringers existed, don't you think the developers would have enabled those stupid radio buttons.


i was thinking of porting this whole application to VB or C++, anyone interrested?? let me know if you know Py and we'll put something together...

Why?

Someone who has the time and energy to port BitPim to something else, could make incredible improvements to it by just working with the Python. It probably takes just a few hours to learn enough Python to be useful.

[acarney]

call me crazy for thinking this......but if past phone numbers were meant to be deleted, why are they still saved on the phone, sprint could get these numbers at any time and telemarket the crap out of those numbers...and you wont even know it.......could the 8100 be a trojan horse..........


This may also be for safey reasons and what not.... FBI/CIA raids a house and collects cell phones and what not and then are able to look at phone numbers called... yes they can do this server side, but also client side can't hurt...

[Xbattery]

This may also be for safey reasons and what not.... FBI/CIA raids a house and collects cell phones and what not and then are able to look at phone numbers called... yes they can do this server side, but also client side can't hurt...

FBI Agents and CIA agents would never sit at the same dinner table, and its bad enough that even though these two organizations dont talk to each other like we want them to ( thus something like this could have prevented Spetember 11th, as Mrs Rice said to the panel )

Case and point It can come in handy for the phone to retain phone numbers, but why not make an "undelete" option, some of us are consistently storing and erasing phone numbers.

Perhaps someone handy enough with bitpim source code can create a GUI that would allow you to recover lost phonenumbers.

[CaliSurfer008]

Ok...I got the MSL code for my phone...but now what?

How can i use it?

I'm selling my phone on ebay and want to completely erase everything from it...


thanks

[jhargentos]

Startac 7760 CDMA - How to read or find the MSL for my phone?

I bought for someone who used to have SprintPCS

[jaminmc]

Startac 7760 CDMA - How to read or find the MSL for my phone?

I bought for someone who used to have SprintPCS
You might have to talk to sprint. I think that Bitpim only works with 3g cells. You can always try :)

[Touchless21]

So has anyone taken their phone to another carrier or had another carriers phone to Sprint?

[jaminmc]

What???? Someones wants to use a sprint phone for another network?????? Don't say that, Don't EVER say that!!!! Hehe
I haven't tried it personally. I have no reason to leave Sprint yet.

[Kodiake]

If you are having a problem with your com3 settings, you can go into the control panel and go to the Device Manager and go to the properties for your com ports and reset the com number of com1 to something like com4. Then go to the Modem settings and on advanced port settings and select Com1 as your modem. Now your usb cable will be Com1. Reboot the computer after you do that then you can unlock your phone. You can always go back and reset your com ports afterwards so they will have the old port numbers. I hope this helps you.

Kodiake

[Kodiake]

sorry replied to wrong message lol

[Tranceport]

What???? Someones wants to use a sprint phone for another network?????? Don't say that, Don't EVER say that!!!! Hehe
I haven't tried it personally. I have no reason to leave Sprint yet.

I'm thinking about doing this, around holiday promo time to vzw. Thank god for bitpim =]


eppitek: I believe you can only access the games/apps with Samsung phones.

[Noodle]

So I have read through here and all I can find when I hook up my 5350 and use Bitpim is all 0 where my MSL should be. There is also a 9 digit # near the end of the same nvm_0002 file... I also looked in the sch memo.dat file as well where someone else with the 5350 mentioned earlier and found nothing. Any help would be great

[Kodiake]

So I have read through here and all I can find when I hook up my 5350 and use Bitpim is all 0 where my MSL should be. There is also a 9 digit # near the end of the same nvm_0002 file... I also looked in the sch memo.dat file as well where someone else with the 5350 mentioned earlier and found nothing. Any help would be great


If the 2nd set of 6 digits on the 2nd line of the nvm_002 file is 000000 then your phone should already be unlocked. You can test it by pressing ##000000 on the keypad then press the menu button and scroll down to Save Phone number and hit menu again. This will take the phone into service programming mode. If you don't know much about this I wouldn't mess with it though or you could cause your phone to not get service.

Kodiake

[geishaslave]

Just a summary of my results with:

BitPim 7.13
Mac OS 10.3
Windows XP sp1a
Sanyo SCP-6200
FutureDial USB cable (Radio Shack, actually a Prolific USB-serial converter)
Future Dial USB drivers in Win XP
MacOSX Prolific USB driver

WinXP--
The 6200 was recognized by ALL Sanyo phone choices in BitPim.
Based on the log, BitPim successfully communicated in BREW mode.
NOTE: Had to power cycle phone for each change in phone type.
Was able to DL file system, phone book and calendar.
Used com3 usb serial from Browse button, wouldn't work if Futuredial entry was chosen.

MacOSX--
6200 only recognized if SCP-4900 chosen as phone type.
As with WinXP, BitPim connected with phone in BREW mode.
Same issue with having to restart phone for each change in phone type.
Was able to DL file system, phone book and calendar.
Chose usb serial entry from Browse button-- Prolific driver choice and native Mac USB did not work.

OK so I have what I need to unlock phone.

BTW, I asked Sprint for the SIM subsidy codes for both my phones since they are mine, I bought them, have fulfilled the 2 year contract and beyond. Sprint replied, and I quote, "Sprint does not give out unlock codes."

I also agree that the BitPim crew is going to start getting heat if they make the software too much like UPST.

[rock0n4ever777]

has anyone done this on the treo?
what do i have to set my phone as?

[BlackCherryCola]

Anyone with an A620/VGA1000 have success with uploading pics to the phone through bitpim? Focus works fine but I would really like to upload through my PC. Everytime I send pics all I get is a red triangle with an exclamation mark in it, instead of my pic. (it is resized, and it is JPG format) Im sure its something small and stupid im missing, but if anyone could point out my ignorance that would be just great.

Oh yeah and Im gonna flog a dead horse real quick, that whole little offshoot on GPS, Triangulation, ect... had me thinking that maybe Sprint was the 2nd sharpshooter on the grassy knoll with magic ice bullets. lol :D

[CrucialConcepts]

Whats up... Guys Im new to the board.

I read over your posts, down loaded BitPim the Dev. version and was able to sync my cell phone. Everything was able to down load except the wall pappers...

As anyone gotten the wall paper to work?

Another question I see the ringers are a .qcp format where can I get a program to convert midi or waves to this format?

[BlackCherryCola]

Whats up... Guys Im new to the board.

I read over your posts, down loaded BitPim the Dev. version and was able to sync my cell phone. Everything was able to down load except the wall pappers...

As anyone gotten the wall paper to work?

Another question I see the ringers are a .qcp format where can I get a program to convert midi or waves to this format?


as far as your 1st question goes, it kinda depends on what u mean by "gotten the wall paper to work"; Were you able to pull the files off your phone and just can't read them? Were you not able to copy the files to your pc? or were you not able to find your wallpapers in the file system?

Im gonna guess you mean copying the files over and to do that go to the Filesystem tab and click the litte plus in the box. Expand whichever files your pics are in, select your pic right click it and hit save then just choose a file on your PC to save it to.

For your second question try these:

http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6605

http://forum.sprintusers.com/showthread.php?t=48444

Hope this answers your questions, P.S. reading through the help files in BitPim should answer most of your questions.

[CMSterling]

If the code for the Picutres and Ringers existed, don't you think the developers would have enabled those stupid radio buttons.


Why?

Someone who has the time and energy to port BitPim to something else, could make incredible improvements to it by just working with the Python. It probably takes just a few hours to learn enough Python to be useful.



Actually there was code for those undeveloped features... as a programmer, i also disable certain features in a release when they are not fully tested. but considering bitpim is in BETA, it only makes sense to test out and crash the heck out of it to see what happens... the final point and result being LEARNING.

and as easy as Python is, it does not compare in functionality to a lot of the other languages out there today. porting it to say VB.NET would create a huge advantage over the GDI and COM alone, and the program could be more quickly and effectively developed. so no, incredible improvements would take hours longer and many more lines of code to accomplish in Py rather than a more sophisticated language.

[CMSterling]

some people here were talking about activating your SCP, Samsung, etc. "SprintPCS" phones on another network (such as Verizon). as i have had some experience with this, i'll tell you as much as i know:

1 - the short answer: yes. you can activate a "sprint" phone on the Verizon network. myself and another sprint employee actually had the vice-versa working as well - a (Verizon) Motorola V60p, which is the Verizon PTT or Push-To-Talk, alternate to Sprint's ReadyLink. the voice worked perfectly, although it took a bit longer to find a signal. the ptt obviously would not work, or any data reception at all for that matter. another thing about that phone (it sucks, btw), is that it constantly searches for a PTT signal (RL does this every 5 seconds), only the V60 dies in about 1 and 1/2 hours, while using ptt intermittently... well, you can turn off the 1X service and then the phone lasts about 4 days. i did this for a customer once and he had sprint's (voice only) service, using the v60p with 1x disabled.

2 - the long(er) answer: no. doing this could have very negative results, including termination of your sprint account. but more/equally importantly, the phone itself is severely disabled (i.e., the data reception, etc). i'm not sure exactly how it recieves the signal - maybe it only looks in the roaming section of the prl, and since VZ is a roaming partner, it gets a signal? i don't know exactly, but the few phones we modified seemed to work, with no additional charges to the people's respective monthly bills. i don't even know if sprint can tell if the phone is not a native spcs phone, or if it only knows by MSL + phone# prefix.

[pardon me if posting this is breaking any TOS on this site, but...] when i used the Verizon EROES system, i was able to manually modify a person's (newly activated) phone number. typically each provider buys a block of prefixes (for instance, SprintPCS has 764- and 384- which are almost all used up now, i think). so technically sprint can see if you have a number that's not one of theirs, they could seemingly tell it was not a PCS number. on the other hand, like i said, if i manipulated EROES, as long as the number was not taken, i could manually put in a number of my choosing, and therefore give the [Verizon/Motorola] phone a [SprintPCS] number.

crazyness. :eek:

[joe123]

i used the msl code on my phone to change my vision login to be that of my wife's phone...and it worked. i was able to login to vision. we are on a shared plan.

Oh Man, this is COOL :D

How has it been working for you so far?

[SKiPDoG]

So has anyone taken their phone to another carrier or had another carriers phone to Sprint?

in the past I have taken the Sprint Kyocera 2235 phones, recieved the MSL and changed them over to a local unlimited CDMA carrier and they worked no problems, I'm about to attemt to obtain the MSL to a Sanyo vm4500 and program it to the same local carrier, they dont care what phone you have as long as it will work on their system, so if the project works I will let everyone know.

[hk0i]

has anyone with the Sanyo 5500 been able to actually see any data on their phone like in the calandar, phone book, etc. tabs? Mine is only showing the files in the File System.

(I don't know if anyt of this was mentioned but here it is)
And one of the files (haha) had all of my text messages in it all jumbled up. (This made reading it quite entertaining) this was in nvm_0017 these are the text msgs I didn't delete.

in nvm_0027 I found a bunch of deleted text messages written out in plain text

file #0028 also is the "Canned Msgs"

I'd really like to know about copying files over though.

I take back what I said about seeing files the developmental release works better for me. But you have to pick your phone model specifically.

[joe123]

I downloaded a program called BitPim. you can get it from http://bitpim.sourceforge.net/

Will it work with the VM4050 Phone?

[DJRhinox]

How were you able to get into the 2nd level nvm directory without getting an error on the vga 1000?[QUOTE]
WELL YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW TO USE THE PROGRAM PROPERLY. I WORK FOR SPRINT AS A TECH/ FLASHER. I KEEP MY REAL NAME OUT OF IT SO I DO NOT LOOSE MY JOB. THERE ARE VERY EASY WAYS OF DOING IT I USE AN A620 AKA A VGA1000. I WILL RELEASE THE INFORMATION ON THE PROPER USE OF THE PROGRAM TO GET THE MSL OFF ANY SPRINT PHONE. FOR A $10 DONATION THRU PAYPAL. SEND TO UNREAL_PRODUCTIONS@MSN.COM AND YOU WILL GET AN EMAIL WITH ALL THE INFO YOU NEED TO KNOW. AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT IT IS. IF I DONT KNOW. I CAN FIND OUT EASY ENOUGH AT WORK

[Bohemian Iconoclast]

WELL YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW TO USE THE PROGRAM PROPERLY. I WORK FOR SPRINT AS A TECH/ FLASHER. I KEEP MY REAL NAME OUT OF IT SO I DO NOT LOOSE MY JOB. THERE ARE VERY EASY WAYS OF DOING IT I USE AN A620 AKA A VGA1000.

I appreciate your willingness to come here and help.....

I WILL RELEASE THE INFORMATION ON THE PROPER USE OF THE PROGRAM TO GET THE MSL OFF ANY SPRINT PHONE. FOR A $10 DONATION THRU PAYPAL. SEND TO...

Here is where you lose me. You want to keep your name out of it so you don't lose your job, yet you will risk a MUCH stiffer penalty to make a lousy ten bux off "proprietary trade secrets."

Care to explain your logic in plain English? I would be most interested to hear it....

[CMSterling]

How were you able to get into the 2nd level nvm directory without getting an error on the vga 1000?[QUOTE] I WORK FOR SPRINT AS A TECH/ FLASHER. ... FOR A $10 DONATION THRU PAYPAL.

WHAT YOU ARE, DJRhinox, is a f'n IDIOT, and you should shut the hell up right now... this information is FREE and not some proprietary thing that you alone hold the key to.

To whomever asked the initial question: search the boards, there are detailed instructions on how to retrieve the MSL code... it usually requires a hex editor, and you have to reverse the hex and convert it... if you're using Visual Basic, it actually does the reversal for you when it reads in Binary, i think... i don't remember exactly.

***

INFORMATION IS FREE, ESPECIALLY ON THE INTERNET, AND YOU SHOULD CONSIDER ANYONE TRYING TO SELL PUBLIC INFO A THREAT TO YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, AND AN INSULT TO YOUR INTELLIGENCE AND INTEGRITY.

[amaiman]

Wow, thanks for pointing me at BitPim...Been looking for a program to look into my phone for some time now.

Have an LG 5350 which has become a cluttered mess (too many ringtones) and some other problems (a PRL list containing all zero's thanks to the Sprint store not restoring it after flashing my phone), and some other stuff, now I can look/change all of it.

Was amazed at how easy it was to find the MSL, security, and vision passwords in plaintext (already had them anyway, though). Now I know how those sites that sell codes do it.

[mrroboto]

I have been reading through these threads hoping to find help in modifying or obtaining the firmware for my phone. I have a sanyo 8100 and at my house I get only enough of a signal to remain on sprint service...not enough to actually have a conversation or send/recieve data. From time to time it will kick over to digital roam and have an excellent signal, but due to the faint sprint signal, it usually won't stay on roam long.

From what I understand they use a simple penalty schedule in their code for switching out of sprint to roam, which is most likely buried deep in the firmware. Does anyone out there know anything about this?

I know this may not be possible, but I've gotta ask, right?

[Paulamerica]

Hello people, I just bougth the sanyo 5500 phone(recycler.com) I love the phone, but when I tried to activate it, I was told that the phone listed as lost or stolen, so they are not going to activate my new phone. If it is any way to replayce my existing unit with this one even it is listed as stolen in their data base?? can I may be change my esn# so the phone could be used, how do I do it??? Thanks

[amaiman]

Wirelessly posted (LG 5350: LGE-LX5350/1.0 UP.Browser/6.1.0.6.1.106 (GUI) MMP/2.0)

Hello people, I just bougth the sanyo 5500 phone(recycler.com) I love the phone, but when I tried to activate it, I was told that the phone listed as lost or stolen, so they are not going to activate my new phone. If it is any way to replayce my existing unit with this one even it is listed as stolen in their data base?? can I may be change my esn# so the phone could be used, how do I do it??? Thanks

No. It is not possible to change the ESN on a phone. That would allow people to easily impersonate other peoples phones. Try to get a refund, you will have to buy a valid phone. If the phone is too cheap to be true, it probably is.

[Chris S.]

Anyone succesful with the Kyocera 6035?

[kccasey]

Wirelessly posted (LG 5350: LGE-LX5350/1.0 UP.Browser/6.1.0.6.1.106 (GUI) MMP/2.0)



No. It is not possible to change the ESN on a phone. That would allow people to easily impersonate other peoples phones. Try to get a refund, you will have to buy a valid phone. If the phone is too cheap to be true, it probably is.

Actually the only way to have a Different ESN is by Gutting out another phone of the same model and stuff. Some people go on eBay and buy someone elses Broken Phone and just swap out the Motherboards.

[nooge]

So has anyone taken their phone to another carrier or had another carriers phone to Sprint? they wont do it for you because the contract the phones, and sell below cost

[jaminmc]

I have been reading through these threads hoping to find help in modifying or obtaining the firmware for my phone. I have a sanyo 8100 and at my house I get only enough of a signal to remain on sprint service...not enough to actually have a conversation or send/recieve data. From time to time it will kick over to digital roam and have an excellent signal, but due to the faint sprint signal, it usually won't stay on roam long.

From what I understand they use a simple penalty schedule in their code for switching out of sprint to roam, which is most likely buried deep in the firmware. Does anyone out there know anything about this?

I know this may not be possible, but I've gotta ask, right?
Just get a Samsung A700, or a740. These phones don't hold on to a sprint signal to it's death till it switches to roam, and if it is still not switching over, then use the nifty "Force Roam" option, and it will digitally roam untill you restart your phone, or change the option (Since Digital roam is in your area& priority in your prl)

Otherwise your other option would be to modify your PRL to have the digital roam at a higher priority in your PRL, and set it at Sprint only to use sprint, and auto for the digital provider you are on..... I highly discourage that option, because you can f@# up you phone.

I have the A700, and it is the best phone I have ever had for roaming. If there is a super weak sprint signal, and a strong digital roam signal, it goes to digital roam until there is a good sprint signal. ALSO it DOESN'T look for a sprint signal when you place a call while roaming. I HATED that on my vm4500. I'd have a good roam signal, then place a call and get a weak sprint sig that would dropp. RRrrrrrgg! Not anymore with my a700 though! This has been my best phone so far!

[kewlazme]

I could care less about premium content, I'm more interested in the phone internals. I'd love to see what the assembly code looks like.

Agreed.. im waitin for someone to decompile the assembly code and make a new interface for my sanyo 8100.. so we're not forced to have the worthless "MEMO" button hard coded on the right soft key :evil:

[bigsupersquid]

WOW this is awesome!!!
The first reference I have found in over a month for a USE for my $30 data cable!
Stupid old FutureDial doesn't support my phone for anythign but the phone book!
JAMINMC, YOU ROCK!!!

[bigsupersquid]

Oh, booger.
Turns out my Samsung SPHA660 is unsupported by the Bitpim software, and it cannot detect the phone's presence.
It was nice to see that some of you can use it, anyway.
Back to the ol' drawing board.

[Laughing Man]

Does anyone know what I can do if I have BitPim and a data cable for a PM-A740?

[bigsupersquid]

IF that were true, doen't you think they would udate your PRL at any time?
AS IF!
lack of PRL updates costs you more $$$ for a bad roaming list, why would they fix it without special request?
It took me a month to get them to tell me about PRL updates after many complaints of bad signal within 2 miles of a cell tower (not theirs, of course), now I have to ask specifically to get updates, they have told me that sprint will NOT inform you if an update is avaliable without you asking for it.
:(

[bigsupersquid]

This question was rhetorical as I have never lost my phone. I just wanted to illustrate that the location services are inaccessible to anyone, including Sprint (at this point), with the exception of 911 in cities where E911 has been implemented. If this "triangulation" was already available, than anyone who has lost thier phone could easily recover it by having Sprint give them the location of their phone (after they have proven ownership of course) after reporting it lost or stolen.

By the way I always read my manual and know everything that my phone is/isn't capable of so the one in need of search button, my friend, is you. Try looking up "GPS API" and you will learn that Sprint hasn't made the tools to access any of the phones GPS data as of yet.
hmph, they mean not accessible to DEVELOPERS. Their roadside assistance 'service' can locate you to give directions to the tow truck, for example. I've researched it thoroughly, the phones are capable, only sprint doesn't allow programmers access to the LBS (GPS) services. The phones have been trackable with the embedded GPS for at least three years, and I don't mean cell tower triangulation, either.

[avalon]

hmph, they mean not accessible to DEVELOPERS. Their roadside assistance 'service' can locate you to give directions to the tow truck, for example. I've researched it thoroughly, the phones are capable, only sprint doesn't allow programmers access to the LBS (GPS) services. The phones have been trackable with the embedded GPS for at least three years, and I don't mean cell tower triangulation, either.http://www.shaftek.org/blog/archives/000139.html
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52772

[bigsupersquid]

http://www.shaftek.org/blog/archives/000139.html
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52772
been there, done that.
my phone is only midp 1.0, but I've read MANY complaints on the sprint website developers section about how the $400 versign cert is worthless and at least two sprint techs there (hung and thompson) both say that sprint DOES NOT ALLOW access to those APIs on sprint phones. Very recent posts from Thompson.

[Blacqdymun]

I downloaded a program called BitPim. you can get it from http://bitpim.sourceforge.net/ It allows you to view the filesystem, and even change it. I tried it with me VM4500, and I saved the filesystem onto my laptop. I was browsing the files, and found one with The MSL for my phone. Tried it & it let me into the programming mode. gointo folder /nvm/nvm and there is a file called nvm_0002 that has the info. It has your secerity code, and then it has 2 six digit numbers after that. The 2nd one is you MSL. The first one is one you can use only once. Now if you want to activate your phone on verizon, I bet you could change the MSL to 000000, and then you could do an OTA activation, and it would put the Verizon PRL on your phone. Then all you would need it the ip settings and stuff for the data to work on verizon too. If you fry your phone by modifying this, don't blame me, I haven't tried it.
:wavey: Hi Everyone!

Can you tell me how to speed up My Web Browser on the MM7400? I did it on a previous phone, I used BitPim to get my MSL code, but don't