SEP or Everything Data Protest

[adamlee2001GXE]

Hello all,

I am aware of the "Is it required" thread. I just confirmed with an E-chat, 2 retention reps, and finally an executive services member that is IS REQUIRED. Believe me, I never call Sprint, but this got me pissed off enough to file an official complaint about this requirement.

PLEASE band together and file complaints with the Executive Services dept. (the rep told me to get more people to file complaints, and maybe it can be changed).

So, here's the number 703-433-4401 and file an official complaint that you are not satisfied that they have this requirement.

Also, if any of you members are members of other forums like precentral, or treocentral, or HOFO, copy my post please and have those members call and make official complaints.

:frustrate :Popcorn2:

[jongo]

i have the family everything data plan but not simply everything will that work?

[adamlee2001GXE]

i have the family everything data plan but not simply everything will that work?

Yes.

[Whiteboy182]

Yep it will work, any kind of unlimited data plan will work. It is the older plans that will not be compatiable.

[mrstak]

So SERO is okay then? Cuz it has unlimited data or no?

[adamlee2001GXE]

So SERO is okay then? Cuz it has unlimited data or no?

Old SERO, no. I dont know about the Everything PLUS plan, or whatever it's called.

[Dragonman]

Wirelessly posted (Touch Diamond & ic902: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11) Sprint PPC6850SP)

Please don't cross-post.

I agree with a poster in the other thread...Sprint is not going to change the requirement. They paid big bucks for the exclusive and not having data will cause csat issues due to overages...the OS is called WebOS for crying out loud.


My adice is get over it and move on and stop wasting time and energy on something that will not change.

[cwfluke]

Hello all,

I am aware of the "Is it required" thread. I just confirmed with an E-chat, 2 retention reps, and finally an executive services member that is IS REQUIRED. Believe me, I never call Sprint, but this got me pissed off enough to file an official complaint about this requirement.

PLEASE band together and file complaints with the Executive Services dept. (the rep told me to get more people to file complaints, and maybe it can be changed).

So, here's the number 703-433-4401 and file an official complaint that you are not satisfied that they have this requirement.

Also, if any of you members are members of other forums like precentral, or treocentral, or HOFO, copy my post please and have those members call and make official complaints.

:frustrate :Popcorn2:

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I'll find you 3 more reps and 5 more echat people that say it isn't required. Nothing official means nothing official. Kind of like the release date or price. But calm down until you know for sure.....because contrary to popular belief, Sprint reps don't right now. And if it DOES end up being a requirement - no amount of phone calls or signatures or complaints is going to change their mind. It is what it is unfortunately.

[eden922]

Old SERO, no. I dont know about the Everything PLUS plan, or whatever it's called.

where does it say that the old sero doesnt have unlimited data?? i have the old sero and i use the internet all the time and my monthly bill doesnt change

[adamlee2001GXE]

where does it say that the old sero doesnt have unlimited data?? i have the old sero and i use the internet all the time and my monthly bill doesnt change

Sorry, it isnt necessarily the SERO base plan, but the older vision & Powervision plans that arent accepted (whether or not it is an add-on or hard coded into the plan like SERO). Either of these services cannot be used with the PRE currently. That's why we need to PROTEST!

[rilharri]

Im sure it will be used on any of Sprints new plans, for everything data....

LOL this coming from some one that Sprint is GIVING so much LOL

60-2200 AT (1000 ADDITIONAL shared bonus minutes)/ FREE AIRAVE & SERVICE/ UL Text/ Free Pick 3/ UL Incoming/ 5PM Nights/ Free PV/ Free roaming (Confirmed with Sprint all attachables never expire)/ 23% NVP= $99 As far as we're concerned we have our own Simply Everything Shared Plan

[ndnguy85]

Sorry, it isnt necessarily the SERO base plan, but the older vision & Powervision plans that arent accepted (whether or not it is an add-on or hard coded into the plan like SERO). Either of these services cannot be used with the PRE currently. That's why we need to PROTEST!

dude cut it out.

hesse said the other day pre is targeted for business and personal use. so we have to wait and see what the plan requirement is.

[Dan]

Since I was accused of closing threads, a reminder of the rules:

Post threads in the appropriate discussion area. The Palm Pre has its own discussion, so threads regarding it and any required plan should be kept there.

Cross posting (spam posting in multiple areas) is not acceptable. You post one thread on the topic in one area and if its in the wrong area it gets moved to the right one.

As far as the device requiring a simply everything plan, its not gonna change. The only way it could change would be far lower than expected sales of the device causing a re-evaluation of the requirement.

[meatpopsicle]

I still have not seen where it's certain it requires a SEP.

I have SERO also, and have unlimited data, and I better be able to get it.

[HPLouis]

I have unlimited data too but it's not one of the newer plans.

Either way, it's only a phone. There will be a better one out several months after this one comes out. I remember the stink that was raised over the instinct and look, the Touch Diamond and Pro came out. I'd rather keep a good plan than get a phone that will be replaced by something better.

[buzzardjrt]

ya'll stop complaining. like someone else said. stick with your basic plan, they will let you. then when you get your bill and its a lot more, suck it up and pay more then you should.

they have advertised that same thing on me before when i purchased new phones and they NEVER made me switch. i switched because it was worth it for me. and made since.

this phone looks like it will be connected all the time to the internet. but do what you want.

[buzzardjrt]

another thing. those helpful customer service reps, they work on commission. it is there job to sell you on the plan because they get money. just tell them you dont want to switch

its really that simple

[ImmaSlave4U]

^ Sir, I don't think you understand. Sprint will not activate the Palm Pre on any plan except for the Simply Everything plan or one of the two Everything Data plans.

[meatpopsicle]

^ Sir, I don't think you understand. Sprint will not activate the Palm Pre on any plan except for the Simply Everything plan or one of the two Everything Data plans.

I don't think you understand that that is not substantiated unless you have link to an official sprint announcement stating so. Otherwise that statement is just as credible as the March 15th release date.

[sjones]

Sprint is doing no wrong by requiring people to have the right plans for the device, they pay a lot of money to get 1st dibs on the device, its your choice to accept their terms in getting the phone or not.

Did you see massive protests when ATT required people to have the iphone plans for iphone? NO and if there was "any" protest did it work, they are still the hottest phone on the market even with the plan price being so high, the pre will be no different.

[meatpopsicle]

Sprint is doing no wrong by requiring people to have the right plans for the device, they pay a lot of money to get 1st dibs on the device, its your choice to accept their terms in getting the phone or not.


First of all, the Pre is the first phone I've seen that I've really been excited about, and I want one badly.

I have a $30 a month Sero plan with unlimited data, texting, and nights and weekends at 6.

If you are telling me that I will be required to pay more than 2x a month for a new plan in order to have the Pre, there is no way any phone is worth doing that. And I think I speak for all Sero customers, and there are a lot.

[HPLouis]

I think they might do it. Remember the Instinct? Tons of people protested and it didn't matter. They still made the phone "SEP Required" and it still became Sprint's hottest selling phone.

Oh well, I'm not going to give up my plan for a phone. Something better will come along.

Henry

[sjones]

First of all, the Pre is the first phone I've seen that I've really been excited about, and I want one badly.

I have a $30 a month Sero plan with unlimited data, texting, and nights and weekends at 6.

If you are telling me that I will be required to pay more than 2x a month for a new plan in order to have the Pre, there is no way any phone is worth doing that. And I think I speak for all Sero customers, and there are a lot.

I HAVE 5 sero lines so I am one of those people, the plan is cheap but you might have to give it up if you want that phone, just like instinct!!!!

Your choice plan or phone?

You really think sprint will cater to sero plan owners??? lol

[dwillis19]

http://now.sprint.com/pre/?id12=iSearch_MA_010809_Pre

If you will read the fine print at the bottom of this page, which came out way back in January, it says with requires activation on Everything Plan with Data.

[grrrrrrr]

http://now.sprint.com/pre/?id12=iSearch_MA_010809_Pre

If you will read the fine print at the bottom of this page, which came out way back in January, it says with requires activation on Everything Plan with Data.

As has been stated multiple times before, this clears up nothing due to the sentence immediately following the one that you are referring to.

[dwillis19]

If you don't have any Everything plan Data charge will be 0.03$ per KB. I just checked my bill and have used 8393 on my Mogul this month and it doesn't end until the 15th. That alone for me would be 251.76$ in Data charges alone. So $20.00 per month for an Everything plan ro my current plan plus 500.00 in data charges, maybe more if Pre uses more Data. And yes I have added to my plan the Pro Pack on a Fair and Flexable Family 550 plan. But since that plan is in't offered any more I will have to upgrade to the Everything Data Family 1500 for 129.99. My current plan with addons and 2 phones is 109.99. So for 20.00 I can get the Pre and also allow my wife to have everything on her phone also. Not a bad deal when you look at it that way.

[PokerFace23]

protest!? where do you think we live? america? :D

[meatpopsicle]

In order for me to give up my Sero plan and switch to the crappy SEP plan, I will be paying hundreds of dollars more per year for roughly the same service. I'm sorry, no phone is worth that, even if it were a holodeck in your hand.

I don't make six figures, even if I did, who is dumb enough to essentially pay a $30 premium, per month, to have a cool phone?

Oh wait. I forgot the iphone. Thanks, sheeple.

[udratherbme]

I am really confused as to why, anyone, would even consider purchasing a phone of this caliber w/o wanting unlimited data:
1. you are going to need date to add apps, so based on Iphone apps, an app that is free to 7 bucks depending on the size is going to to cost almost double w/o data
2. if you are planning on using the phone for all its features i.e facebook, contact syncs, cloud... you will pay data charges there
3. where does it say its not going to constantly pull data unless you are on the phone

[Web]

But it can pull the data over Wifi. MY usage on my iphone is probably 10-20 % over Edge and 80+ Wifi...

[cwfluke]

I am really confused as to why, anyone, would even consider purchasing a phone of this caliber w/o wanting unlimited data:
1. you are going to need date to add apps, so based on Iphone apps, an app that is free to 7 bucks depending on the size is going to to cost almost double w/o data
2. if you are planning on using the phone for all its features i.e facebook, contact syncs, cloud... you will pay data charges there
3. where does it say its not going to constantly pull data unless you are on the phone

I don't think that's the issue. Many people have unlimited data on their current plan but its not an "SEP". Therefore you would still have to switch even if you HAD unlimited data. This is assuming they require the plan change.....which they haven't officially and probably won't make an official announcement about it until the official announcement of the release date. So it could be months and probably will be - but we can all speculate away.

[davidtm]

Not having a current data plan on my Sprint phone, what I've been told so far is that any of the data plans would work. So, that's about $70/mo for the smallest plan, since I'm not a big talker. One rep even told me that the data packs would apply, though I've read differently somewhere.

BTW, what are the differences between Basic and Premier Music, TV, etc?

[htowngator]

Not surprising if it ends up being true

In that case I'll wait till my contract is up at the end of this year and shop around. The difference between all carriers will be around $10/month for me instead of $30-$40 (I have the $30 SERO) if I have to switch to the cheapest SEP. I love the price of the service with Sprint b/c of this plan I have, but have had nothing but issues since day 1 with the QoS and customer support.

[meatpopsicle]

I don't think that's the issue. Many people have unlimited data on their current plan but its not an "SEP". Therefore you would still have to switch even if you HAD unlimited data. This is assuming they require the plan change.....which they haven't officially and probably won't make an official announcement about it until the official announcement of the release date. So it could be months and probably will be - but we can all speculate away.

Bingo.

This isn't an issue of being resistant to getting a data plan. It's an issue of ALREADY HAVING ONE. But there is a good chance they will force you to get a Simply Everything Plan, which is 2x more, even if I already have unlimited date (which I do).

[adamlee2001GXE]

I don't think that's the issue. Many people have unlimited data on their current plan but its not an "SEP". Therefore you would still have to switch even if you HAD unlimited data. This is assuming they require the plan change.....which they haven't officially and probably won't make an official announcement about it until the official announcement of the release date. So it could be months and probably will be - but we can all speculate away.

Bingo.

This isn't an issue of being resistant to getting a data plan. It's an issue of ALREADY HAVING ONE. But there is a good chance they will force you to get a Simply Everything Plan, which is 2x more, even if I already have unlimited date (which I do).

Bingo. Boingo. Bongo.

I have no need for all of the other ancillary services. I have no need for GPS (well I couldnt find my way of out of a wet paper bag), but I dont need it on my cell phone, nor do I need TV, or the other CRAP that comes with an "Everything" plan. Sprint's plan designs have been such a way for atleast 10 years such that you add, JUST WHAT YOU WANT. Now, they are forcing us to add what WE DONT NEED for a stupid phone.

A Nice phone, a cool phone, a neat phone. But a PLAN CHANGING stupid phone.

End rant.

[AllTeedUp]

Wirelessly posted (Touch Diamond & ic902: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11) Sprint PPC6850SP)

Please don't cross-post.

I agree with a poster in the other thread...Sprint is not going to change the requirement. They paid big bucks for the exclusive and not having data will cause csat issues due to overages...the OS is called WebOS for crying out loud.


My adice is get over it and move on and stop wasting time and energy on something that will not change.

I don't think most people are complaining about a data plan for the Pre, the issue is that you have to have a SEP plan. I have a family plan with several lines and only one line uses the web and texts. I also have 700 minutes which is more than enough. I currently have the Curve and the BB add-on pack which by the way AT&T allows you to add a data plan for the iPhone. There is no reason that Sprint shouldn't let me do the same thing with the Pre that I am doing with the Curve unless they do not see me as a profitable customer and don't mind losing me. My bill (after my company's discount) is $115 a month and I have been a Sprint customer for 7 years and have always paid on time. I will leave Sprint if the Pre requires a SEP plan as my bill would increase by $55 for the same functionality I get now and would be $20 more than getting a similar plan for the iPhone with AT&T.

[TextMailManiac]

Pre is a premium, high-end phone.

If you can afford a Pre, you can afford the appropriate SE plan to run a Pre. Especially considering the Pre is heavily subsidized by Sprint.

If Sprint offered to let SERO people put a Pre on their plan but charged them full price for the phone, there'd be a separate thread filled with angry SERO owners. Everyone wants something for nothing these days.

Here's the irony -- these phones will sell out from day one. SERO "boycotts" won't mean a hill of beans. Lots of new customers willing to get a Simply Everything plan and switch from another carrier will be willing to wait weeks to get one of these phones.

In that situation, a "boycott" by el-cheapo-plan people is just silly.

[TextMailManiac]

In order for me to give up my Sero plan and switch to the crappy SEP plan, I will be paying hundreds of dollars more per year for roughly the same service. I'm sorry, no phone is worth that, even if it were a holodeck in your hand.

I don't make six figures, even if I did, who is dumb enough to essentially pay a $30 premium, per month, to have a cool phone?

Oh wait. I forgot the iphone. Thanks, sheeple.

The iPhone is more like a $60+ per month premium for the same thing SEP gets.

I know some SERO people who endlessly complain about Sprint's "too high pricing," but still pay $60 a month for phone service and pay $150 a month for cable and internet.

I don't have either. My DSL is $10 a month, my SEP is $99, and I haven't had a landline in 8 years.

If you want the best phone, shuffle around and make some changes.

SERO and its relatives are deep-discount plans. Walmart customers cannot complain that they're not getting Nordstrom amenities like the latest, coolest phones.

[cwfluke]

The iPhone is more like a $60+ per month premium for the same thing SEP gets.

I know some SERO people who endlessly complain about Sprint's "too high pricing," but still pay $60 a month for phone service and pay $150 a month for cable and internet.

I don't have either. My DSL is $10 a month, my SEP is $99, and I haven't had a landline in 8 years.

If you want the best phone, shuffle around and make some changes.

SERO and its relatives are deep-discount plans. Walmart customers cannot complain that they're not getting Nordstrom amenities like the latest, coolest phones.

I don't think there's a single person on this whole site that isn't fully aware of your deep-seeded hatred of SERO customers or anyone that has a lower-priced plan. We got it bro - we're cheap, we complain, we shop at Wal-mart, we can't read, we don't talk so good, we're inferior to you and your high priced plan. You can move on to another thread now. Thanks! :tu:

Unless of course you have something of VALUE to add - which would be a welcomed change of pace!!!

[TextMailManiac]

I don't think there's a single person on this whole site that isn't fully aware of your deep-seeded hatred of SERO customers

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Unless of course you have something of VALUE to add - which would be a welcomed change of pace!!!

Value... you mean like paying my own way, getting the appropriate plan for the appropriate price, not demanding freebies I didn't pay for all the time, that sorta thing? :laughing::laughing::laughing:

[meatpopsicle]

The iPhone is more like a $60+ per month premium for the same thing SEP gets.

I know some SERO people who endlessly complain about Sprint's "too high pricing," but still pay $60 a month for phone service and pay $150 a month for cable and internet.

I don't have either. My DSL is $10 a month, my SEP is $99, and I haven't had a landline in 8 years.

If you want the best phone, shuffle around and make some changes.

SERO and its relatives are deep-discount plans. Walmart customers cannot complain that they're not getting Nordstrom amenities like the latest, coolest phones.

Your wrong. I am a Sero $30 a month customer precisely SO I can afford cool phones and other stuff. It's absolutely silly to think expensive phones and plans are hand in hand.

[NM08SRT8]

It's also silly for you to think that while you get special treatment over others, you still can have what everyone else can get.

Here is how I see it

Pay regular prices - Trade off: Eligible for Special devices that are released.

On SERO plans - Pay less - Trade off: Exempt from some "perks" such as special phones that require a special plan.

So you pay for a cheaper plan, be glad, we don't get to.. which is fine because we're having the last laugh here

[grrrrrrr]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:



Value... you mean like paying my own way, getting the appropriate plan for the appropriate price, not demanding freebies I didn't pay for all the time, that sorta thing? :laughing::laughing::laughing:

I defy you to find me one person on this board that has a SERO plan and has DEMANDED that they be aloud to have the Pre or any other so-called "freebies" that you refer to.

You and your cronies like Scrap and N8MAHDKIGDIUGWD. or whatever the hell his name is need to really relax with all of the SERO-bashing. I think it's been made abundantly clear that anyone on this site that has a SERO plan will gladly accept the Pre if it's made available to us and if not, then so be it. We'll either make the decision to switch plans or decide that a fancy-shmancy new phone like the Pre simply isn't worth giving up the discount that SERO affords.

Honestly, I don;t see what your vendetta is. It hold no water. You come on here and bash SERO user and make things up about those planholders like saying they want something for nothing or they feel they are entitled to freebies even though they have a deep-discount plan. None of your arguments hold any water.

It all boils down to your ill-conceived notion that you are subsidizing all SERO plan-holders because you happen to have opted to pay for a more expensive plan. That was your choice. Just as trying to get the most economical plan that they could was the choice of those with SERO.

Get over yourselves already. You run around these boards taking every possible chance to take a shot at SERO and its owners. Your arguments are old and tired. And I don't think I'm the only one that is sick of your rhetoric already.

[NM08SRT8]

I defy you to find me one person on this board that has a SERO plan and has DEMANDED that they be aloud to have the Pre or any other so-called "freebies" that you refer to.

You and your cronies like Scrap and N8MAHDKIGDIUGWD. or whatever the hell his name is need to really relax with all of the SERO-bashing. I think it's been made abundantly clear that anyone on this site that has a SERO plan will gladly accept the Pre if it's made available to us and if not, then so be it. We'll either make the decision to switch plans or decide that a fancy-shmancy new phone like the Pre simply isn't worth giving up the discount that SERO affords.

Honestly, I don;t see what your vendetta is. It hold no water. You come on here and bash SERO user and make things up about those planholders like saying they want something for nothing or they feel they are entitled to freebies even though they have a deep-discount plan. None of your arguments hold any water.

It all boils down to your ill-conceived notion that you are subsidizing all SERO plan-holders because you happen to have opted to pay for a more expensive plan. That was your choice. Just as trying to get the most economical plan that they could was the choice of those with SERO.

Get over yourselves already. You run around these boards taking every possible chance to take a shot at SERO and its owners. Your arguments are old and tired. And I don't think I'm the only one that is sick of your rhetoric already.
If that's the case, why are there still SERO vs Everything Plan threads being made, such as this one of you people *****ing about what you cannot get?? I think you are far from "accepting" the possibility of not being eligible for the phone. If you want the phone bad enough, You will do what is required of you to get it.. It's that simple. You think people *****ed about the iPhones plan when it came out? And cried cried cried about having to pay extra just to have the same functions as they had before? Sure!, But look at the phone now, one of the hottest selling phones since the Razr was first released and people are willing to pay what it costs to have it.

[TextMailManiac]

I defy you to find me one person on this board that has a SERO plan and has DEMANDED that they be aloud to have the Pre or any other so-called "freebies" that you refer to.

Again, the whole thread is a complaint-fest that people who receive deeply discounted plans don't get access to the latest and greatest -- along with a threat of a "boycott."

As for the rest of your "I'm so tired of your criticism," last I checked, people weren't all required to have a uniform opinion completely in agreement with yours. If you think ceaseless browbeating is going to get me to suddenly say "yeah, you're right, SERO users should get the same access, service and perks as full-paid," you're barking up the wrong tree, dog! ;)

[TextMailManiac]

people are willing to pay what it costs to have it.

Pretty much.

There's a bit of a double-standard here.

On one hand, some of the loudest shouters on the thread are warning that LOTS of people are in SERO and they're all gonna leave if they don't get what they want... On the other hand, when people point out that Sprint has too many people on super discount plans, they come by and point out that SERO is a tiny proportion of the userbase.

If folks want the phone, get the appropriate plan! It's really not that hard. Sprint doesn't owe anybody a pony or an exemption from its pricing model for new hot hardware "just because."

[meatpopsicle]

Fair enough. A good plan will always trump any phone. Every time.

[TextMailManiac]

For some, perhaps. Not for the people who will be lining up at the door for this phone. It would be downright foolish of Sprint to trade away revenue from new full-paid subscribers with limited supply of handsets to keep angry deep discount plan holders happy... especially given that so many of them seem to slam Sprint at every opportunity (just look at this thread for example).

[grrrrrrr]

If that's the case, why are there still SERO vs Everything Plan threads being made, such as this one of you people *****ing about what you cannot get?? I think you are far from "accepting" the possibility of not being eligible for the phone. If you want the phone bad enough, You will do what is required of you to get it.. It's that simple. You think people *****ed about the iPhones plan when it came out? And cried cried cried about having to pay extra just to have the same functions as they had before? Look at the phone now, one of the hottest selling phones since the Razr was first released and people are willing to pay what it costs to have it.

The thread op said nothing about SERO and that he felt he deserved the Pre. He said that he was opposed to Sprint possibly making it such that a current customer with a plan that isn't a SEP but that does include unlimited data could be blocked out from getting this phone. Being opposed to something doesn't mean that you feel entitled to that thing.

You and your posse have a rebuttal for everything. I'm not going to engage you in any sort of dialogue about this because you have proven in the past that it is not possible to get through to you.

You make a blanket statement like, "I think you are far from "accepting" the possibility of not being eligible for the phone.". How can you debate someone who fails to understand certain rudimentary things like the fact that making blanket statements makes it impossible to carry on a dialogue where the other party shows that they are open to the subject being debated.

You guys have stood firm together in your belief that SERO (and more specifically, its owners) are the devil-incarnate. More power to you. I guess it's better to stand for something than to just sit idly by. I'm glad that this has given you a purpose and a crusade to spend your time on this forum defending. It would just be nice if you guys would be able to see more than just your side of the issue.

Have a nice day.

[TextMailManiac]

You and your posse have a rebuttal for everything. I'm not going to engage you in any sort of dialogue about this because you have proven in the past that it is not possible to get through to you.


Of course!

We're all paid Sprint agents.

Our sole agenda is to rob you of the premium services, premium handsets, premium customer care and premium amenities that you deserve as a discount account holder and assign them only to full-paid customers.

And of course you will not "engage in any dialogue," as you haven't shown a willingness to do so -- ever. Why trumpet something that's blatantly obvious? ;)

If you want the handset, get the plan. If you don't want it, don't get it. Simple. Easy. Reasonable.

The lower blood pressure you'll have from not demanding special exceptions will also extend your life.

[grrrrrrr]

Of course!

We're all paid Sprint agents.

Our sole agenda is to rob you of the premium services, premium handsets, premium customer care and premium amenities that you deserve as a discount account holder and assign them only to full-paid customers.

And of course you will not "engage in any dialogue," as you haven't shown a willingness to do so -- ever. Why trumpet something that's blatantly obvious? ;)

If you want the handset, get the plan. If you don't want it, don't get it. Simple. Easy. Reasonable.

The lower blood pressure you'll have from not demanding special exceptions will also extend your life.

Thank you for making my point for me. And quite emphatically I might add.

[NM08SRT8]

Listen, every SERO customer thinks they are the police.. You get the badge and think you're an exception to the rule.. No way. there are some who have their head on striaght, and when I say some, I mean SOME..

I make my "blanket statements" because everyone is saying this, Everyone has this same "free for me" mentality. Talking about, "I'm on SERO, I'm poor, I can't afford a new more expensive plan." Well, then maybe buying a new phone isn't a wise financial decision either. Let alone having a cell phone anyways.

Here is how I see it. The site says, "Requires activation on a Everything Plan." Then starts to talk about the price per KB if you don't have a data plan. Contradicting right? So there IS hope. That's all that has been said/released by Sprint about this.

For sales, it would be smart if Sprint just said, "Listen, this phone is hot, we want everyone to have it, therefore, we will make sure a Data plan of $15 or $25 is mandatory on any plan (like it was for iPhone users who had plans pre-iPhone launch of $20 for the iPhone data package). That way we can all live in harmony. I mean, BlackBerry does this and look at them, right?

If the majority of SERO people weren't so stubborn and thought they should be entitled to everything, tons of these threads wouldn't be created and we would all enjoy ourselves.

[meatpopsicle]

It has nothing to do with entitlement. I am vehemently against "special higher priced plans" just to sell a phone. It's retarded and a very anti-consumer practice. I will never have an iphone because i feel this way.

"Oh you want THAT phone? Well we tack on an extra $20 a month if you want THAT phone" - that's BS, and I will boycot, badmouth, and slam any company that does it in any industry, irregardless of what I am currently paying.

[NM08SRT8]

It has nothing to do with entitlement. I am vehemently against "special higher priced plans" just to sell a phone. It's retarded and a very anti-consumer practice. I will never have an iphone because i feel this way.

"Oh you want THAT phone? Well we tack on an extra $20 a month if you want THAT phone" - that's BS, and I will boycot, badmouth, and slam any company that does it in any industry, irregardless of what I am currently paying.
So you think Blackberries are retarded for requiring such a thing? Seriously, obviously this is going to be the new standard for newer cell phones, so I would say, you better get used to it.

[meatpopsicle]

So you think Blackberries are retarded for requiring such a thing? Seriously, obviously this is going to be the new standard for newer cell phones, so I would say, you better get used to it.

If it's required to have a plan you may not need that costs more, then yes.

It's very much like if you walked on to a car lot and they said "Oh you want that car? That particular model requires you buy the extended warranty for $3k or we ca't sell it to you". And you replied "Well but, I really don't mind paying for repairs past the warranty". And they said "Sorry, an extra 3k for something you don't need or you can't have the car".

I would much rather the phone company's just come right out and say "Ok for this particular phone, you have to just pay an extra $15 a month to have it, regardless of what plan you have". At least that would feel a little more honest.

[NM08SRT8]

Actually, I think this would be more accurate..

I'll use my car for example since it's a high performance vehicle

"Sir, The SRT8's and 300c's will require Premium fuel, the Limited V6 can take regular"

If I wanted the premium car, I had to pay for premium gas, $100 oil changes, $700 brake pads, $1200 for four replacement tires, etc etc. I know this is what's required to own the car, therefore I deal with it. Hell, people with Mclaren F1's have a $10,000 maintenance every several months, their Ceramic rotors are that much alone to replace. It's like I've said a million times, "you gotta pay to play"

[meatpopsicle]

Actually, I think this would be more accurate..

I'll use my car for example since it's a high performance vehicle

"Sir, The SRT8's and 300c's will require Premium fuel, the Limited V6 can take regular"

If I wanted the premium car, I had to pay for premium gas, $100 oil changes, $700 brake pads, $1200 for four replacement tires, etc etc. I know this is what's required to own the car, therefore I deal with it. Hell, people with Mclaren F1's have a $10,000 maintenance every several months, their Ceramic rotors are that much alone to replace. It's like I've said a million times, "you gotta pay to play"

Ok, we'll run with your analogy.

All of that's true except I already have those parts, and that fuel, at a much better cost, and the dealer is trying to tell me I have to buy THEIR parts and THEIR fuel at THEIR Cost, if I want the car -even though it's all the same.

[adamlee2001GXE]

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All y'all need to chill out. I had no idea it would blossom into a "you're too cheap, because you have a cheap plan & you have no business buying an expensive multi-media phone".

The intent of this thread was to motivate people to contact Sprint because we already likely have these services, just not this special plan. I already have a data plan, why do I need crap I don't need?

[NM08SRT8]

Then you should just stick with what you have then.. if you can't afford this option. You pay a premium to have premium things.

[adamlee2001GXE]

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The point is, there is absolutely no need. What I have will do what they need.

[meatpopsicle]

Then you should just stick with what you have then.. if you can't afford this option. You pay a premium to have premium things.

Would you have bought your car if the dealer forced you to buy gas only from them at 30% higher prices? Even if it was the same gas being sold everywhere else? Would your "premium" logic still apply?

[ImmaSlave4U]

This isn't an issue of being resistant to getting a data plan. It's an issue of ALREADY HAVING ONE. But there is a good chance they will force you to get a Simply Everything Plan, which is 2x more, even if I already have unlimited date (which I do).

So, let me get this straight. For some reason, you were granted an unprecedentedly cheap plan called SERO. And you want to continue paying $30 when everyone else has to pay advertised rates? Well, then you can keep your old phone.

Get over yourself and your unfairly cheap plan. I'll be glad if Sprint requires a Simply Everything or Everything Data plan for the Palm Pre. They did it with the Samsung Instinct, and so I switched from Fair & Flexible to Everything Data 900. It's still cheaper than the other companies...I really think you need to get over feeling entitled to such an outrageously cheap plan.

[NachoB]

Pre is a premium, high-end phone.

If you can afford a Pre, you can afford the appropriate SE plan to run a Pre. Especially considering the Pre is heavily subsidized by Sprint.
I AM NOT A SERO CUSTOMER. Now that that's out of the way...

How is the Pre anymore "premium" or "high-end" than my 700P other than my 700P isn't as new as the Pre?

I pay for voice, text messaging, and unlimited data (which is always connected with ChatterEmail). How is this any different than what would be required of the Pre? AFAIK I won't have to switch plans (or hope I won't anyway).

[cwfluke]

oops - double post

[AllTeedUp]

I AM NOT A SERO CUSTOMER. Now that that's out of the way...

How is the Pre anymore "premium" or "high-end" than my 700P other than my 700P isn't as new as the Pre?

I pay for voice, text messaging, and unlimited data (which is always connected with ChatterEmail). How is this any different than what would be required of the Pre? AFAIK I won't have to switch plans (or hope I won't anyway).

I agree with you but my feeling is Sprint is going to make the wrong decision and force SEP plans for this phone. They seem to do whatever they can to get customers to leave and go to other carriers. I don't the extra minutes of a SEP plan or the web/texting on all my lines. This time next year, I can leave without an ETF. I just hope my Curve lasts that long.

[NM08SRT8]

Once again, You all forget to realize that other carriers have done the same thing Sprint has. Hell, att grows exponentially every year or quarter and they have two phones at least that require special plans (Berry and Apple). You make it seem like you're going to leave from Sprint and avoid this.. lol. You're going to leave one carrier, go to another that doesn't offer your little SERO plans, have to pay more regardless and for what? To try and stick it to Sprint that they just lost a customer because of their bad plan decision requirements for a few phones? You're the one who ultimatly got suckered into leaving to another place and paying more..

I just don't understand all of your mentalities..

[Dragonman]

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I am NOT against SERO. I gave away so many referrals when Sprint gave us unlimited I couldn't give anymore (so it turned not to be unlimited after all)

That being said I have no problem with an SEP only requirement for the Palm Pre if it actually happens. This has not been communicated to us yet but it wouldn't surprise me. One of the biggest reasons Nextel looked so attractive to Sprint was it's highest in the industry ARPU (average rate per Unit) This metric is closely watched by shareholders and Wall Street. Getting more people off deeply discounted plans increases ARPU and the companies value.

Sprint's attempt to stem the flow of customer losses via SERO did help some, but in the end is still losing over a million subs a quarter.

The Palm Pre has the potential to be the hottest handset since the Iphone. Why WOULDN'T they require a higher priced plan (even if only a little)

At least they aren't requiring you pay extra $ above SEP like ATT did with the Iphone



Protest all you want but IMHO it WON'T change.

[cwfluke]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Value... you mean like paying my own way, getting the appropriate plan for the appropriate price, not demanding freebies I didn't pay for all the time, that sorta thing? :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Just as I suspected.......still nothing of value to add to the conversation!!! :tu:

Your gross generalization implying non SE plan holders (and more specifically SERO plan holders) are cheap, less informed, and somehow less of a person than you and other SEP holders is way off point. That would be like me assuming that all SEP holders are pompous, arrogant, self-righteous *****E$ based solely on the tone of your posts. I know this isn't true however and wouldn't dream of berating any of them solely based on their godforsaken cell phone plan. I mean, come on.......enough's enough.

If you want the phone bad enough, You will do what is required of you to get it.. It's that simple.

I agree completely. It boils down to the fact that its ultimately Sprint's decision. If they want to require an Everything plan (or some variant) then there's no amount of protest or complaining that will change their mind. This thread actually wasn't started about SERO plans - it was about ALL non SE plans. I'm willing to bet that non SE plans make up the majority of Sprint customers. This is why I think, personally, it would be a mistake for Sprint to require a plan change. I think they would sell more Pre's, get more people locked up for 2 more years and add all of the new customers that change carriers FOR the Pre and get them to sign up for a SE plan. Sure there will be people who change their existing plans to get the Pre, but I would be willing to bet that there are more that will not. These people then become more likely to jump ship to another carrier even if they end up spending more money elsewhere. If Sprint's willing to carry a customer at $40, $50, $60 a month which they clearly are now, why not use a phone to lock them up for two more years?? Don't subsidize it, subsidize it less....there are plenty of options they can take.

If Sprint does require a plan change, I'll be disappointed. I won't ***** and complain and demand that I have one because I feel "entitled" to it. Seems like a nice phone that does everything I want a phone to do, and I'd really like to have it. If I can somehow justify spending an extra $1200+ over the course of 2 years to get it, I certainly will. If I can't, I'll just have to make due........for a while anyway :hee: SERO plans are eventually going to go by the wayside - as well as heavily subsidized plans (which there are FAR more of than SERO plans). However berating people for attempting to hold on to them as long as they can......I just don't understand that logic. It takes all kinds though I suppose. :circle:

[HPLouis]

Once again, You all forget to realize that other carriers have done the same thing Sprint has. Hell, att grows exponentially every year or quarter and they have two phones at least that require special plans (Berry and Apple). You make it seem like you're going to leave from Sprint and avoid this.. lol. You're going to leave one carrier, go to another that doesn't offer your little SERO plans, have to pay more regardless and for what? To try and stick it to Sprint that they just lost a customer because of their bad plan decision requirements for a few phones? You're the one who ultimatly got suckered into leaving to another place and paying more..

I just don't understand all of your mentalities..

I think this is what Sprint is banking on. Think about it...the precedent has already been set. It is known that people are willing to pay more for what they want (i.e. IPhone and BlackBerry) and this has already worked with the Instinct. That phone requires a plan change also and it became Sprint's hottest selling phone. The Pre might just follow in the Instinct's footsteps.

They might not care as much for the complaints of the old plans and SERO. I could complain all I want, where am I gonna go and get a plan like I have now? Same with SERO. Sprint knows this and they know that no matter how much we complain, we'll still stay because there are other phones and the others carriers cost more.

[Web]

Boy, a lot of people are getting all bend out of shape over an UNKNOWN.

:Popcorn2: Lets see, what else can we rant about? :Popcorn2:

[cwfluke]

I think this is what Sprint is banking on. Think about it...the precedent has already been set. It is known that people are willing to pay more for what they want (i.e. IPhone and BlackBerry) and this has already worked with the Instinct.

A couple things I think a few people forget though -

1) Palm is NOT Apple. They just don't have the same following, plain and simple. It will not be as big of a deal as the iPhone release was and the phone just isn't as "revolutionary" as the iPhone was........at that time.

2) The economic status of this country in June of 2007 is FAR different than it is now and than it will be in June of 2009. As trivial as it may seem to some, people are cutting back where they can I think on the whole.

Regardless, I'm sure Sprint has teams of people making these decisions that know WAY more about how to push phones, plans, etc. than any of us do. And whatever decision they do make, I'm sure they'll have plenty of data and research to back up that decision. I'm guessing it won't just be a flip of a coin.

[AllTeedUp]

Once again, You all forget to realize that other carriers have done the same thing Sprint has. Hell, att grows exponentially every year or quarter and they have two phones at least that require special plans (Berry and Apple). You make it seem like you're going to leave from Sprint and avoid this.. lol. You're going to leave one carrier, go to another that doesn't offer your little SERO plans, have to pay more regardless and for what? To try and stick it to Sprint that they just lost a customer because of their bad plan decision requirements for a few phones? You're the one who ultimatly got suckered into leaving to another place and paying more..

I just don't understand all of your mentalities..

I wouldn't mind an add-on plan like AT&T requires for the iPhone or Sprint requires for the BB. I currently have a Curve with the BB plan. The issue is that Sprint won't let you add-on for the Instinct or allegedly the Pre. Switching to AT&T and getting the iPhone would be $55 cheaper for me than getting one of the family SEP plans with Sprint. The issue here isn't just SERO plans.

[NM08SRT8]

Yeah, I mean, IMO, It would be a good idea for Sprint to give the option, but on the same token... I see several ways a SERO customer can get this phone

1) Get an Everything Plan, and check if you're eligible for a corporate discount from your employer.
2) Get a Sero Everything Plan (They are out there I think)
3) Get a Sero Everything Plan, AND your Corporate discount.
4) They might let SERO customers in on the action of being able to get this phone.

Like I said in a previous post, The wording contradicts itself on the Pre page by Sprint. I'll post it again..

"Requires activation on a Everything Plan with Data: A $0.03/kb charge applies without a data plan"

So... They say you need to have a Everything Plan WITH data, aren't all everything plans supposed to include data? Secondly... They list how much you would get charged if you DON'T have data, kinda telling people, the Data is optional. So they are almost implying that they have everything plans WITH and WITHOUT data, because they tell you how much you'll be charged if you don't get the data. So it's not mandatory. Get it?

It's not about what you say, it's about how you say it and word it.. So this is why I think there is still hope for you SERO guys

[Web]

Everything messaging --- has no data with it :Popcorn2:

[NM08SRT8]

Ah, well there ya go, It's still cheaper right?

[meatpopsicle]

So, let me get this straight. For some reason, you were granted an unprecedentedly cheap plan called SERO. And you want to continue paying $30 when everyone else has to pay advertised rates? Well, then you can keep your old phone.
Nope, you don't have it straight. The SERO plan was very easy for ANYONE to sign up for, for over 2 years. Everyone I know knew about it. Everyone I know signed up for it. It was all over the net in every bargain forum. I am sorry if you didn't hear about it, but don't try to say SERO customers are in any way privileged for just being better informed than you.

Get over yourself and your unfairly cheap plan. I'll be glad if Sprint requires a Simply Everything or Everything Data plan for the Palm Pre. They did it with the Samsung Instinct, and so I switched from Fair & Flexible to Everything Data 900. It's still cheaper than the other companies...I really think you need to get over feeling entitled to such an outrageously cheap plan.

Ok, you are cleary bitter for not knowing that absolutely anyone could sign up at www.sprint.com/sero for 2 years, for the plan I have. Anyone can still get Sero, it's just different now. So I think it is you that needs to get over yourself.

I have unlimited data. If you think it's fair that sprint charge anyone whatever they like for the privilege of having a particular phone, simply because you CHOOSE to pay higher rates, or weren't smart enough to get a lower one, then that sounds like your personal issue.

Lots of people have unlimited data plans that aren't SEP or SERO. You can hope they all have to pay extra too, to feel better.

[jschu22]

It seems like this debate will never end. Protest? This is a company we are talking about here, not an elected body. With that your one and only "protest" is in the form of not supporting them with your wallet. Sprint's objective is to make money and allowing this phone on a SERO plan would do very little to increase their revenue. Certainly not as much as if they had certain plan requirements- such as a SEP.

I understand the desire to spend as little as you can while having the device you want. This isn't always possible but that doesn't mean an atrocity has taken place. The only thing Sprint owes anyone is what was agreed upon when you signed your contract.

[meatpopsicle]

I am not advocating any protesting. There are a ton of customers out there that already have unlimited data in their plans, and they aren't going to pay more per month just to have a neat phone.

One of the primary reasons the iphone requires a special "iphone" plan is that Apple demanded they get a cut of subscriptions on their phones as well (another reason it only ended up on one carrier).

If Sprint's primary goal with the Pre is to bring in NEW customers, then their SEP only plan may make sense. But it's pretty clear there are tons and tons of current Sprint customers that will not change their already unlimited data plans to pay more just to have a phone.

[jschu22]

Sprint's primary goal is to make money. Certainly bringing in new customers contributes to this but the current name of the game is ARPU- average revenue per user. SERO was a tool in increasing the number of customers, but is obviously counterproductive to increasing ARPU. Understanding this is key to understanding why a carrier would put certain plan requirements on some phones.

[AllTeedUp]

Sprint's primary goal is to make money. Certainly bringing in new customers contributes to this but the current name of the game is ARPU- average revenue per user. SERO was a tool in increasing the number of customers, but is obviously counterproductive to increasing ARPU. Understanding this is key to understanding why a carrier would put certain plan requirements on some phones.

I don't think Sprint even knows it's primary goal. Whatever it is, they're not achieving it. They used to the the cheapest, except for SERO that's not the case anymore. I know a lot of people that have swtiched carriers to AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile but I don't know one person that has switched to Sprint, only the other way around. It just seems like Sprint is good at angering it's current customers and disappointing shareholders.

[kamboy360]

I don't understand why people are protecting Sprint so much. I mean I highly doubt any of the people on here is a Sprint's executives son. All the guy did was try to do something about the required everything plan. If you think about it, Sprint isn't looking out for its customers. I have an unlimited powervision plan which has the same benefit of the sprint everything data plan but now I have to pay more for the same service just to get the Palm Pre. Since when did everyone get so wealthy that they can afford to pay more for no reason? We are in a recession and it is only natural for people to worry about the price of the plan.

[adamlee2001GXE]

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I don't understand why people are protecting Sprint so much. I mean I highly doubt any of the people on here is a Sprint's executives son. All the guy did was try to do something about the required everything plan. If you think about it, Sprint isn't looking out for its customers. I have an unlimited powervision plan which has the same benefit of the sprint everything data plan but now I have to pay more for the same service just to get the Palm Pre. Since when did everyone get so wealthy that they can afford to pay more for no reason? We are in a recession and it is only natural for people to worry about the price of the plan.

Exactly.

[jschu22]

I don't understand why people are protecting Sprint so much. I mean I highly doubt any of the people on here is a Sprint's executives son. All the guy did was try to do something about the required everything plan. If you think about it, Sprint isn't looking out for its customers. I have an unlimited powervision plan which has the same benefit of the sprint everything data plan but now I have to pay more for the same service just to get the Palm Pre. Since when did everyone get so wealthy that they can afford to pay more for no reason? We are in a recession and it is only natural for people to worry about the price of the plan.

Don't buy it then. Thats all anyone is saying. The point that everyone, that is accepting of Sprint's stance, is making is you have a choice still but if you want a particular device then youre going to have to change your plan. Although undesirable, this isnt unreasonable. Dont make the mistake of thinking that we are "protecting Sprint"- more like we understand the situation.

[Bibbin]

I want to start by saying that I have some SERO lines, a coupla SEPs (yeah, the $99 ones), and many lines with variations between the two. That said, if perchance Sprint pulls an Instinct maneuver with the Pre, the only way I'd personally feel comfortable enough to succumb to the requirement would be if Sprint were to provide a technological justification for such an attachment(it really makes no difference the price plan)

I have no problem with attaching device use with any plan so long as there is technological support for the requirement. There's something about the "because I said so," explanations for these linkages that I, given my personality, rebel against.

We all know the Blackberry requirements and we accept them because, they're technologically necessary. Plus, I've heard that the justification for the Instinct was because of the "visual voicemail" feature. However, if you think back, that explanation surfaced quite late in the game. As I recall, the original reason was something like, ".so that you may enjoy all the features the phone has to offer...":irked: Bull!!! Then Sprint goes even further by rigging its system to only allow activation with certain plans. At that point, where was the technological justification?

So, bottom line, if there's a true reason, I'm in. If it's just some willy nilly ploy to hype a device and get the public into a salivary frenzy only to parley that into revenue, I'm out.

[HPLouis]

Don't buy it then. Thats all anyone is saying. The point that everyone, that is accepting of Sprint's stance, is making is you have a choice still but if you want a particular device then youre going to have to change your plan. Although undesirable, this isnt unreasonable. Dont make the mistake of thinking that we are "protecting Sprint"- more like we understand the situation.

I agree. We're not protecting Sprint, we're just accepting of the situation (if it does happen). There were tons of people complaining about the Instinct and the forced plan change. People threatened and even tried to activate Instincts on other plans but they all failed. Check the past threads in the Instinct subforum. It got heated in there and Sprint still forced the plan change.

I've come to accept that I'm nothing more than just a paying customer to Sprint. I'm not anymore special than the next guy. I could complain all I want and Sprint will do what Sprint wants to do.

[kamboy360]

It is completely fine that you have accepted the situation. However, don't bash the people that have not accepted it. I mean how can one say that it is ridiculous to have a SERO plan? The person was merely trying to get his point out. Maybe a "protest" was not the most rational way, but what can one do? However, I have been reading the posts and accepted a long time ago that unlimited data would be required on the Palm Pre. I mean it has universal search and is on a WEB OS. Therefore, any unlimited data plan should suffice, but since Sprint has to maximize profits (bit of a contradictory statement considering Sprint's economic situation), they charge more for no reason.

[kalibar]

I might be probing for baseless speculation here, but has anyone heard of any official justification for requiring an SEP on the Pre? Is there some legitimate reason for it, or is it just a blatant cash grab because they can get it?

I remember hearing on the Instinct that the tougher plan was enforced because of the visual voicemail features, and that it needed to do some kind of persistent data thing that could "only be allowed" on the more expensive plan.

[Darrion88]

I might be probing for baseless speculation here, but has anyone heard of any official justification for requiring an SEP on the Pre? Is there some legitimate reason for it, or is it just a blatant cash grab because they can get it?

I remember hearing on the Instinct that the tougher plan was enforced because of the visual voicemail features, and that it needed to do some kind of persistent data thing that could "only be allowed" on the more expensive plan.

Hi Kalibar,

I believe there's a video out there where a Palm exec (from CES) mentions Visual Voicemail is not going to be included on the phone at least at launch. Additionally, here's a link to precentral's coverage speculating it will happen after launch but to expect a 3rd party solution. My guess is no as I'd think they'd have mentioned by now but it wouldn't be out of the question.

Regarding being forced onto a higher plan, I'm with everyone that takes issue with this and am a bit amazed that there's so much support for Sprint pricing these plans at whatever they see fit.

In reading some of these posts, they're so partisan to Sprint I'm beginning to think their billing system has grown sentient and is posting on its own forum.

On a serious note, I'd be curious to know what the average user cost is to a network provider. If you're an insider send me a PM on it as I've always been curious on this. I'm willing to bet a profit is being generated even on the lowest cost plans (ie. Sero).

Regarding those who suggest protesting with your wallet and just leaving, that's exactly what we've been seeing for the past two years, why analysts think Sprint is in serious danger of either a takeover, bankruptcy or further losing market share. I completely agree that a company has a right to a profit however the thing that some are forgetting is every customer that is lost is hurting Sprint, both in loss in revenue and in negative press (Q4 08 1.3 mil users, & $1.6 mil loss).

The Instinct wasn't the game changer Sprint hoped it would be (best seller of all time on their Network and yet, they don't want to say what those numbers were) and they spent $100 million marketing it. They plan to spend even more on selling the Pre. Selling it to as many users as possible will help both Palm and Sprint. Especially right now, Sprint should not be doing anything that loses them customers. Let's not forget there are a lot of people that aren't just on Sero but other older plans that may want to upgrade their phones but won't accept being forced onto a $70 plus plan. This isn't the time to being pushing them away. Let's also remember this isn't the iPhone they're selling that has a user base loyal enough that they'll pay a premium to use it.

I think its pretty certain at this point they're asking for the Everything Plan upgrade. When they first posted the Pre info it only mentioned the $ 0.03 / per kb cost. It was about 3 wks ago they added the Everything Plan required line. I don't see them bending on this and expect the $0.03 cost to drop off as soon as a release date is announced.

For these reasons I fully agree with stating this to Sprint. I personally think you're doing them a favor by telling them this is an issue to you. In 6 months time we'll see the phone available on other carriers who will allow it with older plans and Sprint will likely follow suit. As someone who likes Sprint, I can't help but feel if they force the plan upgrade on folks they'll be making a serious mistake to allow customers interested in upgrading to slip away from them. Again, don't forget, it's not just Sero users but ALL users.

[NM08SRT8]

First paragraph... Where's the link?

And yeah it's apparent this isn't the iPhone, but you can't comment on loyalties or fanbases when the phone hasn't even been released, all that is still a toss up.

[HPLouis]

It is completely fine that you have accepted the situation. However, don't bash the people that have not accepted it. I mean how can one say that it is ridiculous to have a SERO plan? The person was merely trying to get his point out. Maybe a "protest" was not the most rational way, but what can one do? However, I have been reading the posts and accepted a long time ago that unlimited data would be required on the Palm Pre. I mean it has universal search and is on a WEB OS. Therefore, any unlimited data plan should suffice, but since Sprint has to maximize profits (bit of a contradictory statement considering Sprint's economic situation), they charge more for no reason.

I agree that we shouldn't be bashing the people that have not accepted it. I'm not doing that but I noticed that when SERO is mentioned, it brings forth some strong emotions.

My personal feelings are that Sprint really doesn't care about retaining customers. They care more for their stockholders and Wall Street. There were tons of people protesting the Instinct plan change. You can go to the Instinct subforum and check past posts and see it for yourself. People threatened to leave but Sprint didn't budge. Sprint will do what they want to do, no matter how much we complain.

In the end, I think the people that have accepted this realize that there's more to life than cell phones. It's a waste of time trying to fight Sprint over a phone that will be obsolete in 6 months. What matters is the plan that you're on. If you're on a hot plan like SERO, keep it and don't change it for any phone. There will be better ones out there.

[NM08SRT8]

I agree that we shouldn't be bashing the people that have not accepted it. I'm not doing that but I noticed that when SERO is mentioned, it brings forth some strong emotions.

My personal feelings are that Sprint really doesn't care about retaining customers. They care more for their stockholders and Wall Street. There were tons of people protesting the Instinct plan change. You can go to the Instinct subforum and check past posts and see it for yourself. People threatened to leave but Sprint didn't budge. Sprint will do what they want to do, no matter how much we complain.

In the end, I think the people that have accepted this realize that there's more to life than cell phones. It's a waste of time trying to fight Sprint over a phone that will be obsolete in 6 months. What matters is the plan that you're on. If you're on a hot plan like SERO, keep it and don't change it for any phone. There will be better ones out there.
They don't..? So they came out with some of the best priced plans just for ****s and giggles? They have some of the fastest data speeds that i've experienced, AND their plan is far superior then others. I think that statement is stupid that they aren't trying to keep customers.

[AllTeedUp]

They don't..? So they came out with some of the best priced plans just for ****s and giggles? They have some of the fastest data speeds that i've experienced, AND their plan is far superior then others. I think that statement is stupid that they aren't trying to keep customers.

So you think the SEP plans for the best priced out there? Have you looked at the family plan options? Way more minutes and features than most families need.

Between forcing SEP plans for the Instinct and now the Pre (speculating) they are losing customers left and right. There are cheaper options out there than Sprint now (SERO excluded) and there coverage around Boston is inferior to their competition.

[meatpopsicle]

So you think the SEP plans for the best priced out there? Have you looked at the family plan options? Way more minutes and features than most families need.

Between forcing SEP plans for the Instinct and now the Pre (speculating) they are losing customers left and right. There are cheaper options out there than Sprint now (SERO excluded) and there coverage around Boston is inferior to their competition.

That's true. If sprint forces SEP for the Pre, it would make more sense for me to switch to T-mobile and get a G1. Cheaper plan, cheaper phone.

[HPLouis]

They don't..? So they came out with some of the best priced plans just for ****s and giggles? They have some of the fastest data speeds that i've experienced, AND their plan is far superior then others. I think that statement is stupid that they aren't trying to keep customers.

They are listening to shareholders and Wall Street first. Not saying that they are wrong in doing that because in the end, that's who they answer to, but I know that I'm just another number to them. Everyone is just a number. Even Dan Hesse said in interviews that they want to shed some customers.

Remember, just last year Sprint sent letters to some customers getting rid of them?

[NM08SRT8]

Yeah and you know the reason for that.. Sure that may have been a bad move for them, so no argument there.

If you guys are so against what Sprint is doing, why are you staying? It's cheaper to pay the $200 etf, or new Pro-rated fee then to stick out your 2yr contract and continue to pay "high prices" that Sprint has to offer.

If some of you wanna go to T-Mobile, go right ahead you know? None of us are stopping you. Hell, go pre-paid if it makes you feel like you're sticking it to the man and that you're under complete control.

Crying about what you want and can't get isn't going to give it to you any sooner or faster. Make the proper actions and efforts to do what is required of you to do as a customer. Like said before, Sprint has nowhere in its contract that you should have any and every phone available when you look at the plan you're on. It is what it is... it may change soon, or in the future but as far as we know right now, what you hear is what you see and that is what it's going to be.

Hell, I would be glad to see all of you switch carriers, means less *****ing that me and the others have to hear coming from you all who want it all. I've had my fair share of experience with another carrier just recently (at&t) and it wasn't anything special. I feel more at home with Sprint and was glad I didn't good coverage at my office so I could have a reason to switch back to Sprint, where with my blackberry, I get pretty much full bars everywhere.

I had one of the best plans on this site out of everyone Paid for nothing but a grandfathered $40 3000 a/t min plan that I still got 25% off of monthly, I gave that up to get the Instinct and haven't' looked back since. After having at&t and seeing what I had to pay for the iPhone, 900 mins, unl text and data, n&w @ 7pm, $150 was kinda steep.. made me appreciate what Sprint had to offer as far as their $99 SEP plan was concerned and I'm here now, happy and more then willing to shell out the cash to pay for what I'm getting. As a reward, I'm able to get two phones that others can't get (Instinct and Pre).

[meatpopsicle]

Nothing is set in stone. I'll wait till the Pre comes out, see if I can get it on my plan. If not, I'll weigh my options then.

Nobody is complaining, or crying, or whining. You need to relax and take a pill, bud. We are just speculating on what the true cost of the Pre is going to be. Obviously everyone will make the choice that's right for them. The more Sprint demands of it's customers to let them have the Pre, the less customers are going to say "Ok". It's a simple fact.

[AllTeedUp]

Yeah and you know the reason for that.. Sure that may have been a bad move for them, so no argument there.

If you guys are so against what Sprint is doing, why are you staying? It's cheaper to pay the $200 etf, or new Pro-rated fee then to stick out your 2yr contract and continue to pay "high prices" that Sprint has to offer.

If some of you wanna go to T-Mobile, go right ahead you know? None of us are stopping you. Hell, go pre-paid if it makes you feel like you're sticking it to the man and that you're under complete control.

Crying about what you want and can't get isn't going to give it to you any sooner or faster. Make the proper actions and efforts to do what is required of you to do as a customer. Like said before, Sprint has nowhere in its contract that you should have any and every phone available when you look at the plan you're on. It is what it is... it may change soon, or in the future but as far as we know right now, what you hear is what you see and that is what it's going to be.

Hell, I would be glad to see all of you switch carriers, means less *****ing that me and the others have to hear coming from you all who want it all. I've had my fair share of experience with another carrier just recently (at&t) and it wasn't anything special. I feel more at home with Sprint and was glad I didn't good coverage at my office so I could have a reason to switch back to Sprint, where with my blackberry, I get pretty much full bars everywhere.

I had one of the best plans on this site out of everyone Paid for nothing but a grandfathered $40 3000 a/t min plan that I still got 25% off of monthly, I gave that up to get the Instinct and haven't' looked back since. After having at&t and seeing what I had to pay for the iPhone, 900 mins, unl text and data, n&w @ 7pm, $150 was kinda steep.. made me appreciate what Sprint had to offer as far as their $99 SEP plan was concerned and I'm here now, happy and more then willing to shell out the cash to pay for what I'm getting. As a reward, I'm able to get two phones that others can't get (Instinct and Pre).

Well I have $800 in ETFs otherwise I would stich to AT&T and the get the iPhone as it would be cheaper than having the Instinct/Pre on a SEP family plan with Sprint. Once my contract I'm leaving unless the Pre doesn't require a SEP plan and I can keep my fair/flexible family plan. Why are you so defensive of Sprint? Is Dan Hesse a relative? This is an internet message board, people either complain or try to help one another. You're doing neither. If you don't want to protest the requirement for a SEP plan, go to a different forum.

[stuckatwork]

If you guys are so against what Sprint is doing, why are you staying?

I don't understand your anger. I don't know where people are saying that they're "so against what Sprint is doing." Lots of people, including myself, are saying that no phone is good enough to convince us to pay more than double for a plan, when our current plan gives us everything we already need and more.

If I can't get the pre or pro on my SERO plan, I'll get a different phone. If I can't get any phone on my SERO plan, I'll probably leave Sprint. Sprint can do what they want, but I'm not going to change my plan to buy a phone.

[meatpopsicle]

He's already pretty much made it clear that he despises people on SERO or any other good plan, that's why he defends sprint.

[AllTeedUp]

He's already pretty much made it clear that he despises people on SERO or any other good plan, that's why he defends sprint.

Funny thing is that I have a regular family plan!

[HPLouis]

There's nothing wrong with people being on SERO. To be honest, if I didn't have a family plan, I'd love to be on it. Congrats to all of them. They were able to negotiate a better plan. Now do they have a right to compain, of course they do. Is it fruitless......only time will tell. My opinion is that it is but that's only my opinion and my opinion doesn't matter. I know that Sprint will do what it wants to do and they will only care about their bottom line and what the shareholders and Wall Street have to say. They don't care if I take my five lines over to ATT. I'm not special to them. I realize this. Almost everyone on my family plan wanted and Instinct and they also want a Pre. I told them that I'm not willing to change plans for a phone. They'll have to wait for another hot phone to come out or just get their own plan.

I feel a hot plan is more important that a hot phone.

[grrrrrrr]

I feel a hot plan is more important that a hot phone.

That is the single-most succinct and accurate statement contained in any post in any thread on this message board. Kudos to you and I couldn't agree more.

[ImmaSlave4U]

You're clearly bitter [that you're not on SERO]

Bitter? I wouldn't throw stones if I were you. While SERO sounds like something I very much would have been interested in having known about it, I'm certainly not bitter because I didn't. I have the Everyting Data 900 plan for $89.99 and I'm fine with that. And it means I'm able to buy the Palm Pre without throwing a fit like yourself! http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/images/smilies/rockon.gif

When was SERO widely available? Just curious. I know that if I would have gone with SERO, and the Palm Pre came out requiring an Everything plan, I know I would upgrade because I did it for my Instinct...from Flair & Flexible to Everything 900. I pay more, but I get more...and I have the phone I wanted. What a concept! http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

[meatpopsicle]

Bitter? I wouldn't throw stones if I were you. While SERO sounds like something I very much would have been interested in having known about it, I'm certainly not bitter because I didn't. I have the Everyting Data 900 plan for $89.99 and I'm fine with that. And it means I'm able to buy the Palm Pre without throwing a fit like yourself! http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/images/smilies/rockon.gif

When was SERO widely available? Just curious. I know that if I would have gone with SERO, and the Palm Pre came out requiring an Everything plan, I know I would upgrade because I did it for my Instinct...from Flair & Flexible to Everything 900. I pay more, but I get more...and I have the phone I wanted. What a concept! http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

I'm certainly not throwing a fit, maybe you confused my post for a mirror?

SERO plans (the one I'm on) were easy for anyone to sign up for them until last June. The only catch is, they weren't advertised, it was word of mouth only. Just like the SERO plan currently is, it just isn't nearly as good now.

If it turns out that I can not get a Pre without changing plans, I'll be sad, but I'll get over it. A good plan is always better than a good phone, and I'll remember that as I continue to save $720 more than you are, per year, instead of having cool phones.

[ImmaSlave4U]

If it turns out that I can not get a Pre without changing plans, I'll be sad, but I'll get over it. A good plan is always better than a good phone, and I'll remember that as I continue to save $720 more than you are, per year, instead of having cool phones.

Save your money and keep an old phone. You're free to do that. I guess it's clear that we, as consumers, have different priorities. Although saving $720 dollars sounds all good, I don't think I'd choose to do that if I were you. I guess it comes down to the fact that I just don't mind paying standard rates for plans and being able to use new phones.

[NM08SRT8]

I'm certainly not throwing a fit, maybe you confused my post for a mirror?

SERO plans (the one I'm on) were easy for anyone to sign up for them until last June. The only catch is, they weren't advertised, it was word of mouth only. Just like the SERO plan currently is, it just isn't nearly as good now.

If it turns out that I can not get a Pre without changing plans, I'll be sad, but I'll get over it. A good plan is always better than a good phone, and I'll remember that as I continue to save $720 more than you are, per year, instead of having cool phones.
What is this, a Geico commercial? "I just saved $720 a year by switching to SERO, So easy... A caveman can do it"

[meatpopsicle]

Ahh... I love it when cheap people talk

I'm almost convinced, at this point, that you are barely old enough to drive, and your daddy bought you that shiny car. That's the only possible explanation for being so obtuse.

Either that, or you are just another troll.

[kamboy360]

Yeah and you know the reason for that.. Sure that may have been a bad move for them, so no argument there.

If you guys are so against what Sprint is doing, why are you staying? It's cheaper to pay the $200 etf, or new Pro-rated fee then to stick out your 2yr contract and continue to pay "high prices" that Sprint has to offer.

If some of you wanna go to T-Mobile, go right ahead you know? None of us are stopping you. Hell, go pre-paid if it makes you feel like you're sticking it to the man and that you're under complete control.

Crying about what you want and can't get isn't going to give it to you any sooner or faster. Make the proper actions and efforts to do what is required of you to do as a customer. Like said before, Sprint has nowhere in its contract that you should have any and every phone available when you look at the plan you're on. It is what it is... it may change soon, or in the future but as far as we know right now, what you hear is what you see and that is what it's going to be.

Hell, I would be glad to see all of you switch carriers, means less *****ing that me and the others have to hear coming from you all who want it all. I've had my fair share of experience with another carrier just recently (at&t) and it wasn't anything special. I feel more at home with Sprint and was glad I didn't good coverage at my office so I could have a reason to switch back to Sprint, where with my blackberry, I get pretty much full bars everywhere.

I had one of the best plans on this site out of everyone Paid for nothing but a grandfathered $40 3000 a/t min plan that I still got 25% off of monthly, I gave that up to get the Instinct and haven't' looked back since. After having at&t and seeing what I had to pay for the iPhone, 900 mins, unl text and data, n&w @ 7pm, $150 was kinda steep.. made me appreciate what Sprint had to offer as far as their $99 SEP plan was concerned and I'm here now, happy and more then willing to shell out the cash to pay for what I'm getting. As a reward, I'm able to get two phones that others can't get (Instinct and Pre).

You are completely out of line. I don't know why you are defending Sprint so much. You are exaggerating our concerns about the required SEP plan. For the people wondering, the Palm Pre site says "Activation required with a Sprint Everything with data plan" I don't care what the sentence after it says. It is just like the Instinct where you can't activate your phone unless you switch your plan. It is ridiculous for Sprint to require a new, more expensive plan when many people have the same benefits of the new plan on their current plan. You can go and be happy with your plan. If you are so happy, then why are you worried about the others that aren't happy?

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/27/sprint-telecom-subscriber-markets-equity-wireless_32.html

This article clearly states that Sprint customers aren't happy. Sprint should be helping out it's customers as much as possible in this economy. Would they rather "maximize" profits or lose customers due to poor service. How about they look out for their customers first, rather than luring them into a more expensive plan. Sound like home to you guys?

However, don't get me wrong, I am staying with Sprint. I just feel that they should be doing more for their loyal customers.

[NM08SRT8]

I'm almost convinced, at this point, that you are barely old enough to drive, and your daddy bought you that shiny car. That's the only possible explanation for being so obtuse.

Either that, or you are just another troll.
Yup, you're right on both accounts.. I am a 23yr old guy who is barely old enough to drive.. And even tho I own my own marketing business, My daddy bought me my shiny new car.

Or, I am a troll who is proud I'm on my plan, and doesn't see why Sero people have to have such a fit. Yep, You got me all figured out don't ya buddy

[ImmaSlave4U]

What is this, a Geico commercial? "I just saved $720 a year by switching to SERO, So easy... A caveman can do it"

Haha!http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/images/smilies/rotfl.gif

Someday his phone will be a brick, just like what a caveman would use.

[NM08SRT8]

You are completely out of line. I don't know why you are defending Sprint so much. You are exaggerating our concerns about the required SEP plan. For the people wondering, the Palm Pre site says "Activation required with a Sprint Everything with data plan" I don't care what the sentence after it says. It is just like the Instinct where you can't activate your phone unless you switch your plan. It is ridiculous for Sprint to require a new, more expensive plan when many people have the same benefits of the new plan on their current plan. You can go and be happy with your plan. If you are so happy, then why are you worried about the others that aren't happy?

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/27/sprint-telecom-subscriber-markets-equity-wireless_32.html

This article clearly states that Sprint customers aren't happy. Sprint should be helping out it's customers as much as possible in this economy. Would they rather "maximize" profits or lose customers due to poor service. How about they look out for their customers first, rather than luring them into a more expensive plan. Sound like home to you guys?

However, don't get me wrong, I am staying with Sprint. I just feel that they should be doing more for their loyal customers.
Listen, kiddos.. It's like this

- You chose Sprint, not the other way around
- They offer very good plans, both SERO and advertised SEP's
- If they want to make requirements for certain phones, thats their business..
- No where is there a rule stating that Sprint is not supposed to do this
- Other carriers are doing this, so get used to it. This is the NWO of Cellular Phones
- If you don't like it, leave! Simple as that.

[Noodle]

Yes it sucks if Sprint is going to force plan changes for a phone, I personally don't think it is right if your current plan has data on it and say in my case I don't use Sprint TV,Sprint Music, or Sprint Nav. Having a data pack that includes these things should not be required just because a phone supports it.

If I ever want to use those features I will switch my data plan or pay the casual usage for those features. As far as the Pre I would love the phone but I find it rediculous to switch your plan for a phone. I'll be more than happy to use something else and keep a plan that fits not only me but my wallet.

And no I'm not on a SERO plan.

[AllTeedUp]

Listen, kiddos.. It's like this

- You chose Sprint, not the other way around
- They offer very good plans, both SERO and advertised SEP's
- If they want to make requirements for certain phones, thats their business..
- No where is there a rule stating that Sprint is not supposed to do this
- Other carriers are doing this, so get used to it. This is the NWO of Cellular Phones
- If you don't like it, leave! Simple as that.

Name one other carrier that requires all the lines on a family plan to have web/texting to get a particular phone.

[NM08SRT8]

I just now realized you have an apple log in your avatar. It all makes sense now. So nevermind, I'm no longer confused about your thinking (or lack thereof).
LOL, yeah, good eye. It's about time you caught on. I'm a closet iPhone user lmao

Too bad I don't! lol.

[NM08SRT8]

Yes it sucks if Sprint is going to force plan changes for a phone, I personally don't think it is right if your current plan has data on it and say in my case I don't use Sprint TV,Sprint Music, or Sprint Nav. Having a data pack that includes these things should not be required just because a phone supports it.

If I ever want to use those features I will switch my data plan or pay the casual usage for those features. As far as the Pre I would love the phone but I find it rediculous to switch your plan for a phone. I'll be more than happy to use something else and keep a plan that fits not only me but my wallet.

And no I'm not on a SERO plan.
I totally agree. I'm not against the Sero plan, just the people using it are so weird. I personally feel they should allow everyone to use the damn phone, even if it is just a data package add on. But when I hear, "I got sero, I want this too, and I'm going to protest and cry and not pay my next months bill if I dont get it" makes me sick. ***, Protest?? Boycott?? what are we, hippies from the 60's and 70's? Varuca Salt (sp) from Willy Wonka? Anyways, I'm unsubscribing to this thread. I've said enough here, Good day people and the best of luck to you all. Hopefully in the end, we all get to enjoy the phone. But this isn't worth getting in trouble over.

[jraskal]

Ok before I say what I have to say I would like to acknowledge:

1. Yes YMMV on what reps will say
2. Yes I also believe that if you want a Premium phone you should cough up and pay what is stated on the requirements.
3. This (may) be speculation
4. Blah blah blah blah

So I got an unsolicited called from Sprint today about my account, asking if I was happy with my account, and having no problems I said yes. The rep then asked if I had any questions, at which point I decided to ask about my account and the Pre. Since I have original SERO I don't want to leave my plan.

She then explained that you just need an unlimited data plan, and that should work with your account. She said that the SERO plans were different because they offer the same features as the Simply Everything Plans.

I then countered by saying that I heard the Pre will have similar Plan requirements similar to the Instinct. To which she then revealed she has up to 10 people (family, friends, etc.) signed up for SERO underneath her (original SERO-she did specify) and one of the people are successfully using and have activated an Instinct on their account without a SEP.

Point: There can be hope to activate your phone without a SEP, but then again this could be due to the account being underneath the rep's name.

[meatpopsicle]

It's pretty simple for me. My contract is up June 20th. I'll call sprint, tell them I want to be able to buy the pre, and I'm not paying for a more expensive plan to do it. I'll let retentions decide if they want to keep me and my three lines, or not. No sweat off my back.

[ImmaSlave4U]

It's pretty simple for me. My contract is up June 20th. I'll call sprint, tell them I want to be able to buy the pre, and I'm not paying for a more expensive plan to do it. I'll let retentions decide if they want to keep me and my three lines, or not. No sweat off my back.

:rolleyes: Oh, really? You're now threatening to leave Sprint if you don't get what you want?

What happened to this:
I'm certainly not throwing a fit. If it turns out that I can not get a Pre without changing plans, I'll be sad, but I'll get over it. A good plan is always better than a good phone, and I'll remember that as I continue to save $720 more than you are, per year, instead of having cool phones.

Saving your fit-throwing till June 20th, eh? :rolleyes:

[kamboy360]

Any chance NM08SRT8's marketing business is the nation's only private Sprint marketing business? lol. You sir, are a joke. Sorry I don't have a six figure income like you. Oh, actually I just might and worrying about paying more for no reason doesn't make me a cheap a**. So thank you for unsubscribing to this thread you are doing everyone a favor. Your opinion and inaccuate rants have made you look like a fool.

[meatpopsicle]

:rolleyes: Oh, really? You're now threatening to leave Sprint if you don't get what you want?

What happened to this:


Saving your fit-throwing till June 20th, eh? :rolleyes:

I don't see how that's a fit at all. It's a simple equation:

-I like the Pre
-I want the Pre
-I like my Plan more than the Pre
-If I can get the G1 and a comparable plan on T-Mobile, why would I stay with Sprint if they want me to spent 2x more to get the Pre?

In summary: The company that gives me the best combination of good plan and coolest phone gets my business. Is anyone else any different? This is what I'll tell the retentions person.

Really not hard to understand. I don't owe sprint anything, and I'm not loyal to them, nor should I be.

When/if the retentions person says "sorry, we can't do that" I won't yell, I won't scream, I won't call them names, I won't say anything other than "Oh. Well thanks for trying, please go ahead and cancel my service. Have a nice day".

It's all simple linear logic, my friend. Please tell me where the "fit" part is.

[jschu22]

I just now realized you have an apple log in your avatar. It all makes sense now. So nevermind, I'm no longer confused about your thinking (or lack thereof).

So those that choose to use an Apple product all lack intelligence?

[meatpopsicle]

So those that choose to use an Apple product all lack intelligence?

No I wouldn't say that.

But I've found through much personal experience that Apple users/fans exist on an entirely different plane of reasoning and set of priorities than I do, so there is no sense in really having much discussion with them.

[Matt]

You sir, are a joke.Your opinion and inaccuate rants have made you look like a fool.

You sir, are banned for a week. Anyone else care to play today?

and enough of the "Blah blah blah Apple users suck".

I am not in the mood for trolls today.

[jschu22]

No I wouldn't say that.

But I've found through much personal experience that Apple users/fans exist on an entirely different plane of reasoning and set of priorities than I do, so there is no sense in really having much discussion with them.

You just referenced a lack of thinking on his part. Your words, not mine so yes- you did say that. Please explain yourself.

And of course, your "experience" encompasses the majority of Apple product users.

[Matt]

You know what. If you people want to flame each other, go off topic and make snide little remarks you can do it elsewhere.

Closed!