[Pre] Simply Everything Plan: Required or Not?

[NM08SRT8]

Thought I would post this for you people who have concerns.

Will Sprint Require the Simply Everything Plan for the Palm Pre?

http://www.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/articleimages/Dieter%20Bohn/2009/01/Picture%201.png

Sprint has really been pushing their "unlimited data, unlimited minutes, ...unlimited everything" plan they call "Simply Everything." It's $99 per month and honestly, we are pretty big fans. It's not SERO (their not-so-secret discount plan), but it's not bad. Sprint told us that they're going to "Instinct the Pre", which basically means they plan to throw a ton of marketing muscle behind it. It may also mean something else and that something else has been a (perhaps mistaken) assumption of ours: as with the Instinct, it's possible that Sprint will require the Simply Everything plan for all Pre owners. We all know that there is a lot of downward pressure on price for smartphones ever since the iPhone 3G came in at $199 after contract, and Sprint's best method for assuring a low cost for most customers is requiring the SE plan.

Not so fast, says TreoCentral forum member intro, a quick look at Palm's product page and at Sprint's Pre press release reveals some different languages. Palm says that "A data plan is required" while Sprint counters with "Data: A $0.03/KB charge applies without a data plan." If Sprint is printing warning about how much data would cost without a Data plan, it stands to reason that they may let you buy it without one. Maybe.

It's engendered quite a discussion over in our Pre forums but the bottom line is this: it's highly likely that Sprint and Palm haven't even made the final decision on price and require plans yet. Our hunch is still that Simply Everything will be required, but we'd be relatively happy to be wrong.

Source: http://www.precentral.net/will-sprint-require-simply-everything-plan-palm-pre

[ScrapMaker]

Thought I would post this for you people who have concerns.

Will Sprint Require the Simply Everything Plan for the Palm Pre?

http://www.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/articleimages/Dieter%20Bohn/2009/01/Picture%201.png



Source: http://www.precentral.net/will-sprint-require-simply-everything-plan-palm-pre

Now, if someone had time to dig up the Instinct press release, and see how the lingo differs... hell, they might have mentioned the data cost then as well--it might be a default message to appear with data-capable devices...

Luckily, I don't care either way ;)

[NM08SRT8]

No, They clearly mentioned SEP requirements on the Instinct.

[lookitsrobss]

http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=175356&highlight=sero

:fingers:

[Noodle]

Wirelessly posted (Noodle's Phone: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320))

sounds promising.

[TheJuanJuice]

that cool, but i like my "SEData family" it really is the best thing out there. if you dont have SERO that is...

[Zeeshan]

heres my thing...personally i do have the simply everything data family plan. i dont understand why someone would WANT to buy the Pre, and not have the SEP?

Without it, you really can't access all the great features the phone has to offer. I mean, ide rather have SEP and be able to do everything the device was meant to do, rather than not have it and say, oh, i cant use sprint tv, i cant use gps, i cant use this or i cant use that. I like have SEP so i can do what i want, when i want, and im still paying one low monthly payment.

the family plan with 3000 mins for $169.99 is a great deal for 3000 mins and unlimited everything. Ive shopped other carriers, and nobody even comes close to the price...except tmobile, but theyre not 3g, so there really no comparison. ive got all 5 lines, and after corporate discount, i pay $195 a month for 5 lines, out the door after taxes and fees, way more mins than we can use, and unlimited everything. thats $39 bucks a line...you really cant beat it.

so basically what im saying is, if all you have is a PV plan with web, picture/videomail, why even get the pre? just to look "cool" when you cant even use the device to its potential?

[ScrapMaker]

I think Sprint would be making a bad business decision by not requiring the SEP, or one of it's variants.

Too many cheapasses will get the phone for a super-subsidized price, and will keep their SERO plans, which are barely over cost...

I want Sprint to succeed, and they will die if people keep abusing their generosity.

I vote for SEP. Also for the reasons Zeeshan mentioned. Who would want such an amazing device on a crippled plan?

Look at Apple/AT&T... people FLOCKED to the more expensive plans, (which gave absolutely NO BENEFIT AT ALL over the regular plans.) It was just a "fee" to get the iPhone, essentially. Here, Sprint is not doing that--they are giving you the same great service that other phones get--for the same price.

Seems fair to me--but there will always be people who expect more for less, and if they can keep SERO on this thing, then more power to 'em.

[He123321]

I have read enough blogs/threads to bet the barn on a SEP requirement for the Pre. The new Sprint is all about the $ now.

[ScrapMaker]

I have read enough blogs/threads to bet the barn on a SEP requirement for the Pre. The new Sprint is all about the $ now.

Yeah, instead of giving everything away for free...

It's the only logical business move.

[SomeKid949]

I think Sprint would be making a bad business decision by not requiring the SEP, or one of it's variants.

Too many cheapasses will get the phone for a super-subsidized price, and will keep their SERO plans, which are barely over cost...

I want Sprint to succeed, and they will die if people keep abusing their generosity.

I vote for SEP. Also for the reasons Zeeshan mentioned. Who would want such an amazing device on a crippled plan?

Look at Apple/AT&T... people FLOCKED to the more expensive plans, (which gave absolutely NO BENEFIT AT ALL over the regular plans.) It was just a "fee" to get the iPhone, essentially. Here, Sprint is not doing that--they are giving you the same great service that other phones get--for the same price.

Seems fair to me--but there will always be people who expect more for less, and if they can keep SERO on this thing, then more power to 'em.

I hope you know, pretty much the only reason SERO users are staying with sprint is because of the price. Or else, they would leave sprint (most of them) it is smart to allow it, people with SERO arent going to change to a plan that is 3x more money per month just to get a cooler phone. It is not worth it, most of the people getting this phones most likely are minors and their parents wouldn't allow $100 (I know some are cheaper) just for 1 kid in this economy. Your just mad because you didn't get the cheap $30 SERO.

BTW I have the SERO, it is the only reason I am staying with sprint, and maybe because its EVDO speeds, but that is it.

[logamus]

well i would be surprised if sprint required a sep plan, but i would be equally surprised if someone wanted this phone on a non-sep plan.

[htowngator]

I think Sprint would be making a bad business decision by not requiring the SEP, or one of it's variants.

Too many cheapasses will get the phone for a super-subsidized price, and will keep their SERO plans, which are barely over cost...

I want Sprint to succeed, and they will die if people keep abusing their generosity.

I vote for SEP. Also for the reasons Zeeshan mentioned. Who would want such an amazing device on a crippled plan?

Look at Apple/AT&T... people FLOCKED to the more expensive plans, (which gave absolutely NO BENEFIT AT ALL over the regular plans.) It was just a "fee" to get the iPhone, essentially. Here, Sprint is not doing that--they are giving you the same great service that other phones get--for the same price.

Seems fair to me--but there will always be people who expect more for less, and if they can keep SERO on this thing, then more power to 'em.

I think its fairly obvious you have a vendetta against SERO users and their plans they apparently abuse. However, I wonder how many people in Sprint's network are actually SERO customers. I'd venture a guess at less than 1 in 10. That's really crippling Sprint, I'm sure :rolleyes:. BTW, perhaps it's their poor ratings by comparison to their competitors? I don't know.

[NM08SRT8]

I hope you know, pretty much the only reason SERO users are staying with sprint is because of the price. Or else, they would leave sprint (most of them) it is smart to allow it, people with SERO arent going to change to a plan that is 3x more money per month just to get a cooler phone. It is not worth it, most of the people getting this phones most likely are minors and their parents wouldn't allow $100 (I know some are cheaper) just for 1 kid in this economy. Your just mad because you didn't get the cheap $30 SERO.

BTW I have the SERO, it is the only reason I am staying with sprint, and maybe because its EVDO speeds, but that is it.
lol, He said "mad because you didn't get SERO."

Listen, I think I speak for him in saying, I don't care for SERO lol.

To be honest, I feel I'm getting a better deal then you sero guys. I pay $99 for EVERYTHING, AND If it's required, I'm eligible for the Pre when it launches. I have no problem paying $99 for everything, when other carriers will cost like $50+ more for the same plan setup.

Meanwhile, you people with sero, are trying to, AGAIN, work the system to get what you want. Wanting the Pre on SERO if/when it requires SEP??? Ain't going to happen. Don't believe me? Well let's try a little experiment shall we? Go buy a Instinct (a SEP only phone) And let's try to put this on your cute sero plan... Tell me what happens, I mean, If you want. Because I already know what's going to happen, I already know the answer :)

[ScrapMaker]

I think its fairly obvious you have a vendetta against SERO users and their plans they apparently abuse. However, I wonder how many people in Sprint's network are actually SERO customers. I'd venture a guess at less than 1 in 10. That's really crippling Sprint, I'm sure :rolleyes:. BTW, perhaps it's their poor ratings by comparison to their competitors? I don't know.

Oh I have no qaulms against people wanting to save a few bucks---it's just when they start getting whiny and asking for more that I get upset.

There's really not much more to say here, other than I honestly hope Sprint makes a wise move and requires SEP... For every cheapskate SERO user that leaves Sprint, (which I doubt will happen,) a new one will come over, just for the Pre... Then Sprint can climb out of this financial problem.

Yes, yes, we know you SERO people are only here because of the price... obviously reasonable customer service, great coverage, pretty cool phones, (especially lately,) signal that penetrates buildings better, (read on it,) and faster, more reliable data aren't things to consider when picking a carrier....

[decypher44]

You anti-SERO folks are fascinating. Scrap is EVERYWHERE bashing SERO account holders. NM08SRT8 is usually just behind him.

Look, just because you two weren't able to get SERO doesn't mean you should bash those of us that do.

What SomeKid949 said is pretty damn accurate. I know the only reason I'm with Sprint is because of SERO. If I didn't get SERO, I would have stayed with AT&T with a corp discount.

If the Pre is not going to be available to those on the SERO plan, then it won't. Nothing anyone says here will make it be either way. Some will cancel their SERO to get the Pre. Most will keep the SERO and not get the Pre. And I imagine SOME may cancel Sprint altogether and go iPhone/AT&T.

So, to those SERO bashers, what does your rhetoric mean in all of this? Nothing.

[ScrapMaker]

You anti-SERO folks are fascinating. Scrap is EVERYWHERE bashing SERO account holders. NM08SRT8 is usually just behind him.

Look, just because you two weren't able to get SERO doesn't mean you should bash those of us that do.

What SomeKid949 said is pretty damn accurate. I know the only reason I'm with Sprint is because of SERO. If I didn't get SERO, I would have stayed with AT&T with a corp discount.

If the Pre is not going to be available to those on the SERO plan, then it won't. Nothing anyone says here will make it be either way. Some will cancel their SERO to get the Pre. Most will keep the SERO and not get the Pre. And I imagine SOME may cancel Sprint altogether and go iPhone/AT&T.

Sp, to those SERO bashers, what does your rhetoric mean in all of this? Nothing.


bah, I was offered SERO several times, and if I wanted it, regardless, people were handing it out shamelessly left and right on these forums... so that is not the issue...

I do find it interesting that you mention people that would switch to the iPhone... huh? If they are upset about paying for the "everything plan," then wouldn't they be MORE upset at paying for the "basic plan," but for the same price?

That's just plain confusing.

No one would be "bashing" SERO users if they weren't complaing. Simple as that. You are also right that nothing we say here will affect whether or not the phone is allowed on a SERO plan... and clearly that points out that these SERO discussions have nothing to do with the Pre--but rather people trying to justify having the plans in the first place...

I say MEH... and we will find out soon enough if you can keep your precious plans.

[decypher44]

I'm curious as to why you wouldn't want it (SERO). Honestly. For me, I use very few voice minutes. VERY few. I use messaging quite a bit, but not as much as most. My online activity is minimal. For me, it was getting a few extras at the same monthly amount I was paying to AT&T.

One point that I agree with you is anyone that has SERO whining if they won't be able to get the Pre on the plan. It is Sprint's decision. We have to accept what is offered to us.

As for the iPhone remark, the 3rd gen iPhone should be coming just after the Pre streets. If the iPhone has some good advancements, and those that have the SERO are willing to pay a larger monthly fee, then they will look at what phone is a better fit for them. For some, it could be the 3rd gen iPhone.

[NM08SRT8]

You anti-SERO folks are fascinating. Scrap is EVERYWHERE bashing SERO account holders. NM08SRT8 is usually just behind him.

Look, just because you two weren't able to get SERO doesn't mean you should bash those of us that do.

What SomeKid949 said is pretty damn accurate. I know the only reason I'm with Sprint is because of SERO. If I didn't get SERO, I would have stayed with AT&T with a corp discount.

If the Pre is not going to be available to those on the SERO plan, then it won't. Nothing anyone says here will make it be either way. Some will cancel their SERO to get the Pre. Most will keep the SERO and not get the Pre. And I imagine SOME may cancel Sprint altogether and go iPhone/AT&T.

So, to those SERO bashers, what does your rhetoric mean in all of this? Nothing.
No I'm fine with SERO, It's the users that annoy me. You guys are paying like $2 above retail of what your plan costs, AND you want a free/good deal on a phone too?!? For what? You're already saving money on your plan, shell out for a phone for once. OR just accept the fact that not everything is going to apply to you. That's all.

[ScrapMaker]

I'm curious as to why you wouldn't want it (SERO). Honestly. For me, I use very few voice minutes. VERY few. I use messaging quite a bit, but not as much as most. My online activity is minimal. For me, it was getting a few extras at the same monthly amount I was paying to AT&T.

One point that I agree with you is anyone that has SERO whining if they won't be able to get the Pre on the plan. It is Sprint's decision. We have to accept what is offered to us.

As for the iPhone remark, the 3rd gen iPhone should be coming just after the Pre streets. If the iPhone has some good advancements, and those that have the SERO are willing to pay a larger monthly fee, then they will look at what phone is a better fit for them. For some, it could be the 3rd gen iPhone.

I applaud you for not thinking that Sprint *should* let SERO people have the Pre... It should be totally up to Sprint--and no whining. Being on SERO is a priviledge that Sprint does not have to extend beyond certain perameters... Thank you for having common sense.

Why wouldn't I want SERO? First off, you are supposed to be a close, personal friend or family member, to be a SERO plan holder. I am neither of those--like many who have SERO. Secondly, it didn't meet my needs. I use 1500+ minutes a month, during the day. I use TONS of data with my corporate email, and I use GPS frequently.

Thirdly, whether or not this is true, (and I'm sure people could argue both ways,) I would feel like I am on "welfare." I would see it as the other Sprint customers picking up the slack--now, it may be the case that SERO plans are just barely OVER what they cost... but I tend to think they wouldn't be possible without people like me, paying full price... I've never received a discount on anything at Sprint--by choice--because I will never sign a contract, as long as I have a say in the matter.

[decypher44]

No I'm fine with SERO, It's the users that annoy me. You guys are paying like $2 above retail of what your plan costs, AND you want a free/good deal on a phone too?!? For what? You're already saving money on your plan, shell out for a phone for once. OR just accept the fact that not everything is going to apply to you. That's all.

Do you own Sprint stock? I'm wondering why you seem to be taking it personally. If you don't own stock, then what does it matter to you if some peope are fortunate enough to have to pay less? Does it take away from your pocketbook? Does it affect your life in any REAL way? Honestly. It just sounds like you are bitter.

I don't know you (obviously), so I'm just telling you what it sounds like to me from your posts.

From your sig, I can see you have a sweet ride that isn't exactly cheap. To me, that says that you are comfortable, financially, in your life. I'm happy for you. But some of us don't have a lot of money at the end of the month after paying all the bills. For those of us like that, SERO is a great option for us.

And if you have interest in Sprint, and their marketshare, then you should be happy that Sprint had offered up the SERO plan. As you have read, there are many that would be with AT&T, T-Mobile, etc if not for the option.

[ScrapMaker]

No I'm fine with SERO, It's the users that annoy me. You guys are paying like $2 above retail of what your plan costs, AND you want a free/good deal on a phone too?!? For what? You're already saving money on your plan, shell out for a phone for once. OR just accept the fact that not everything is going to apply to you. That's all.

Decypher sounds pretty reasonable about it... try not to give him too much grief... just remember that amongst all the whiners, there are hundreds of people who don't voice out their complaints... and quietly take what Sprint will give them. They will most likely upgrade to get the Pre--along with quite a few other people on various other plans...

So I apologize if I have grouped non-whiners in with the other crowd... Hey, you got a good deal--that's awesome... and you had a good run, which may or may not continue if you choose the Pre...

[decypher44]

Having said all that, if Sprint doesn't let me get the Pre on this plan, then I'm bailing!

Just kidding...

[ScrapMaker]

Having said all that, if Sprint doesn't let me get the Pre on this plan, then I'm bailing!

Just kidding...

Touché!

[NM08SRT8]

Decypher sounds pretty reasonable about it... try not to give him too much grief... just remember that amongst all the whiners, there are hundreds of people who don't voice out their complaints... and quietly take what Sprint will give them. They will most likely upgrade to get the Pre--along with quite a few other people on various other plans...

So I apologize if I have grouped non-whiners in with the other crowd... Hey, you got a good deal--that's awesome... and you had a good run, which may or may not continue if you choose the Pre...
Yeah, I totally agree. Like I said, SERO is fine with me, more power to you and lucky you, right? A lot of the users are snotty people, there are a good hand full of you who got your head on straight and understand the situaiton.. Not saying things like, "well, i'm going to MAKE sprint activate this phone on my account.." or "i'm going to HACK the phone to work on my account" lol, ain't going to happen..

[ManUtd7]

No one would be "bashing" SERO users if they weren't complaing. Simple as that. You are also right that nothing we say here will affect whether or not the phone is allowed on a SERO plan... and clearly that points out that these SERO discussions have nothing to do with the Pre--but rather people trying to justify having the plans in the first place...

I say MEH... and we will find out soon enough if you can keep your precious plans.

Seriously Scrap, you do have an issue with SERO. YOU bring it up in EVERY thread on the Pre. Go ahead and look. In every thread, with the exception of the Exchange related one, YOU bring up SERO and bash the users.
Even your last line above is a jab at SERO users.

No I'm fine with SERO, It's the users that annoy me. You guys are paying like $2 above retail of what your plan costs, AND you want a free/good deal on a phone too?!? For what? You're already saving money on your plan, shell out for a phone for once. OR just accept the fact that not everything is going to apply to you. That's all.

I don't need the phone to be discounted. I am willing to pay retail for the Pre to keep my SERO plan.

[ScrapMaker]

Seriously Scrap, you do have an issue with SERO. YOU bring it up in EVERY thread on the Pre. Go ahead and look. In every thread, with the exception of the Exchange related one, YOU bring up SERO and bash the users.
Even your last line above is a jab at SERO users.

Damn, I missed a thread? I'll make sure to go in there and voice my opinion on the matter. With that said, do SERO people really feel they "deserve" the cheaper plans? I've never quite understood that. Yeah, it's cool to have a cheaper plan, but I wonder how many people on SERO actually are close friends/family to a Sprint employee? :rolleyes:

I won't talk about SERO anymore, if that will make you happy. It's not like it matters one way or another, it just pisses me off when people who are getting something for nothing--expect more... Not you personally, but others who have been complaining.

I'm glad to hear that you are willing to pay for the unsubsidized phone, and that's exactly what I intend to do as well. Just remember, your shiny new Pre won't be worth much if Sprint goes out of business from everyone being on SERO ;)

[NM08SRT8]

Seriously Scrap, you do have an issue with SERO. YOU bring it up in EVERY thread on the Pre. Go ahead and look. In every thread, with the exception of the Exchange related one, YOU bring up SERO and bash the users.
Even your last line above is a jab at SERO users.



I don't need the phone to be discounted. I am willing to pay retail for the Pre to keep my SERO plan.
But like I said, read my last post above this one..

[NM08SRT8]

Damn, I missed a thread? I'll make sure to go in there and voice my opinion on the matter. With that said, do SERO people really feel they "deserve" the cheaper plans? I've never quite understood that. Yeah, it's cool to have a cheaper plan, but I wonder how many people on SERO actually are close friends/family to a Sprint employee? :rolleyes:

I won't talk about SERO anymore, if that will make you happy. It's not like it matters one way or another, it just pisses me off when people who are getting something for nothing--expect more... Not you personally, but others who have been complaining.

I'm glad to hear that you are willing to pay for the unsubsidized phone, and that's exactly what I intend to do as well. Just remember, your shiny new Pre won't be worth much if Sprint goes out of business from everyone being on SERO ;)
I would have fun just with the Inductive charging system lol

[NM08SRT8]

If sprint does require a sep plan, that wouldnt just leave out sero customers, but all those with grandfathered plans....fair n flex, free n clear,etc. i highly doubt they will...they didn't do it for the new htcs, treo pro. im sure if the instink didn't require a sep plan, they would have seen an increase in sales. then those customers who didn't have a sep plan, used addl features of the phone, increase in revenue, maybe even switch to a sep plan.
yeah ive got sero, 6 lines.
This is why I get the way I get..

Do you see ManUtd7??? See why ScrapMaker and I go ballistic?

[ScrapMaker]

If sprint does require a sep plan, that wouldnt just leave out sero customers, but all those with grandfathered plans....fair n flex, free n clear,etc. i highly doubt they will...they didn't do it for the new htcs, treo pro. im sure if the instink didn't require a sep plan, they would have seen an increase in sales. then those customers who didn't have a sep plan, used addl features of the phone, increase in revenue, maybe even switch to a sep plan.
yeah ive got sero, 6 lines.

Anything is possible, but the reason the HTC products did not require the SEP is because they are marketed, (falsely,) to the business user.

I have a feeling that Sprint will view the Pre as more of a "prosumer" device--rather than a business/corporate user. Similar to the Instinct or iPhone user base.

Your guess is as good as mine as to what will really happen with this SERO debacle, but either way, we will have one hell of a phone! Well, those who are willing to switch, if necessary, that is...

[abarrera]

lol, He said "mad because you didn't get SERO."

Listen, I think I speak for him in saying, I don't care for SERO lol.

To be honest, I feel I'm getting a better deal then you sero guys. I pay $99 for EVERYTHING, AND If it's required, I'm eligible for the Pre when it launches. I have no problem paying $99 for everything, when other carriers will cost like $50+ more for the same plan setup.

Meanwhile, you people with sero, are trying to, AGAIN, work the system to get what you want. Wanting the Pre on SERO if/when it requires SEP??? Ain't going to happen. Don't believe me? Well let's try a little experiment shall we? Go buy a Instinct (a SEP only phone) And let's try to put this on your cute sero plan... Tell me what happens, I mean, If you want. Because I already know what's going to happen, I already know the answer :)

:haha: totally agreed!!!!!!!

[patchs]

I wouldn't have left VZW for Sprint if it wasn't for SERO.
So, Sprint gets my $30 they wouldn't be getting if it wasn't for SERO.
I helped 4 other people leave their cell companies for Sprint and SERO, that's another $150 (one got the $50 plan) a month Sprint gets instead of their competitors.
So, including myself, Sprint is getting $4,320 over 2 years from 5 customers they didn't have before SERO.
SERO was a way for Sprint to steal customers away from their competitors.
The original SERO Web site was easily accessible, heck the password was on it.
Still, I called a Sprint CS rep and asked if I could get SERO. He said yes.
It's worked out great for me.
I don't want the SE plan, I already own a Garmin GPS so I don't need Sprint's.
I have a Slingbox, so I don't need Sprint TV.
I already own all the music I like so I don't need Sprint Music.
I don't need SE, all I need is 500 voice minutes, unlimited text and data.
If I can get that for $30, why should I want a plan that triples my cost for things I really don't need?
As for the Pre, if I could get the $150 for fulfilling my 2 years, great, if not, I understand and I'll pay retail.

[ScrapMaker]

As for the Pre, if I could get the $150 for fulfilling my 2 years, great, if not, I understand and I'll pay retail.

Assuming you can activate it. That's the whole argument/debate going on here. I'm sure most SERO users would gladly pay full retail price for the phone to keep their plans.

[decypher44]

Assuming you can activate it. That's the whole argument/debate going on here. I'm sure most SERO users would gladly pay full retail price for the phone to keep their plans.

Scrap is right. You may be able to buy the Pre at retail - MAY - but activating it on a SERO plan is an entirely different story.

Yeah, I'll be bummed if I can't get it on my plan, but it won't be the end of the world. My Centro is still going strong. Plus, if my life revolved around what wireless phone I had, I would be a sad, sad man.

[johnny hotsauce]

These debates over SERO, SEP and EP's are starting to get a bit futile and childish.

Let's just go with facts for right now, when the Instinct was released there was specific language listed on the Instinct teaser site that clearly stated that an Everything Plan would be required in order to activate an Instinct.

On the current Pre teaser site there is no language that stipulates any plan requirement besides the verbiage that states that a $0.03/KB charge applies without a data plan. Please click on the below link and go to the bottom of the page and check out the fine print for yourself.

http://now.sprint.com/pre/?id12=CHP_Masthead_010809_Pre

This basically says that either Sprint hasn't decided on a SEP/EP type plan requirement for the Pre or there will be no requirement.

Why don't we just kill the speculation and then just wait it out and see what happens. If SEP/EP is required so be it, if not so be it as well. Life will go on and this is just a phone, one hell of a sweet phone but still a phone.

Since there is no solid evidence what the requirement will be can we all please stop the useless flame fest and bickering?

It's pretty sad that my first post in about 9 months has to be a plea for us to stop this useless bashing. :indiff:

[patchs]

Assuming you can activate it. That's the whole argument/debate going on here. I'm sure most SERO users would gladly pay full retail price for the phone to keep their plans.

I was talking if I couldn't get a discount on the Pre for having SERO.
I know if it's a SE plan, it won't activate.

[ManUtd7]

This is why I get the way I get..

Do you see ManUtd7??? See why ScrapMaker and I go ballistic?

No. He brings up a valid point. Instinct probably would have sold more units if it didn't require SEP right off the bat. Further, once these new clients found out the additional features they could use with the Instinct (Sprint TV, GPS, Sprint Music, etc.) they probably would have either switched to a SEP or added data packages onto their existing packages.
Buy requiring the plan right off the bat they did discourage people from switching. Yes this worked for the iPhone and AT&T, but Apple already had a reputation "for getting it right the first time." Samsung (which I know you have owned plenty of in the past) did not. Low speaker volume, signal issues, etc.; coupled with the fact it did not have the already popular tie in to iTunes for music or the multi-touch "wow" factor limited the draw of the Instinct. Hence they should have released the phone without the SEP requirement to initially draw the consumer in. Let the consumer realize they are being limited to all the features of the phone and upgrade on their own. If nothing else they would have still increased their subscriber numbers or locked in renewing customers (reducing churn).

[NM08SRT8]

No. He brings up a valid point. Instinct probably would have sold more units if it didn't require SEP right off the bat. Further, once these new clients found out the additional features they could use with the Instinct (Sprint TV, GPS, Sprint Music, etc.) they probably would have either switched to a SEP or added data packages onto their existing packages.
Buy requiring the plan right off the bat they did discourage people from switching. Yes this worked for the iPhone and AT&T, but Apple already had a reputation "for getting it right the first time." Samsung (which I know you have owned plenty of in the past) did not. Low speaker volume, signal issues, etc.; coupled with the fact it did not have the already popular tie in to iTunes for music or the multi-touch "wow" factor limited the draw of the Instinct. Hence they should have released the phone without the SEP requirement to initially draw the consumer in. Let the consumer realize they are being limited to all the features of the phone and upgrade on their own. If nothing else they would have still increased their subscriber numbers or locked in renewing customers (reducing churn).
Upgrade on their own? They wouldn't because they would still be using their "everything for free" perks, only paying like $20 for 10000000 minutes minus their corporate discount. Sprint would of still lossed. They offered the Instinct for so cheap because of the plan requirements.

Take the iPhone for example, do you have any idea how much that phone would cost retail? Over $700+ just for the smallest version (roughly). The phone is so cheap, and is cheap now because you pay $30 a month for "3G" speeds vs 2G speeds, being $20. So.. what does that do? Pay more in long run so you can pay less up front. And that's exactly what they did. Yes, they pay that because they want the iPhone right? Well, why can't it be the same for other carriers? If you want the Pre, which I'm going to say, is pretty much Sprints "iPhone", if you wanna be technical about it, look at the OS designer, Screen style/type, internal storage, etc. So why can't it be like that for other carriers besides at&t?

[ManUtd7]

Upgrade on their own? They wouldn't because they would still be using their "everything for free" perks, only paying like $20 for 10000000 minutes minus their corporate discount. Sprint would of still lossed. They offered the Instinct for so cheap because of the plan requirements.

Take the iPhone for example, do you have any idea how much that phone would cost retail? Over $700+ just for the smallest version (roughly). The phone is so cheap, and is cheap now because you pay $30 a month for "3G" speeds vs 2G speeds, being $20. So.. what does that do? Pay more in long run so you can pay less up front. And that's exactly what they did. Yes, they pay that because they want the iPhone right? Well, why can't it be the same for other carriers? If you want the Pre, which I'm going to say, is pretty much Sprints "iPhone", if you wanna be technical about it, look at the OS designer, Screen style/type, internal storage, etc. So why can't it be like that for other carriers besides at&t?

1) As you and Scrapmaker have pointed out before, we don't get "everything" now and won't be able to unlock the full potential of the Pre w/o a SEP. I don't get (worthwhile) Sprint TV or Navigation now on SERO. I'm also not allowed to used a corp discount anymore

2) There were existing AT&T customers paying full price and upgrading their plans for the 1st gen iPhone when it was released. It was approx $600 for the 4gb version. And again the reason being Apple's rep. Samsung and Palm (no longer) garner that respect in the consumer market. Palm loyalist right now are in the same position Mac Apple loyalist were in pre- iMac, iPod, etc. I guarantee you that if Apple would have released the iPhone before rebuilding their image with iMac/iPod/OS X, AT&T would have not been able to have any success forcing people pay for a premium plan to use the iPhone.

My point being on the above is....Samsung (Instinct) and Palm (now) with the Pre due not garner the same respect as Apple on their products due to either:
a) Having an inconsistent record on phone quality (Samsung); or
b) Disappointing several times in recent history with their outdated products (Palm).

Now while there is still a relatively strong Palm fan base, I still believe it would be a mistake for Sprint to force a premium plan (which SEP really is compared to ALL of there other plans besides SERO) if they want to appeal to wider base of consumers. Again, neither Sprint nor Palm have the same reputation as AT&T and Apple did during the iPhone's release. Yes I know AT&T had lacking rep. for data services on their network then (and still now) but they did not have the albatross around their neck that Sprint has had for 4-5 years now.

In the end, and god this is long, we just might have to agree to disagree on this subject. I know you and I are not in the business in getting into flame wars on message boards.

[ScrapMaker]

I do agree that Sprint would have sold more Instincts, and WOULD sell more Palm Pre phones if they did not require the SEP. On the other hand, I still know a LOT of people who have the Instinct. They would have to sell 3 times more phones to make up for the revenue difference of the plans.

Anyways, Johnny is right. No point in fussing. We don't really know what's going to happen, but the language is different in the press release... Perhaps SERO people will be blessed with this phone--perhaps not. Let's stop arguing about it, and furthermore, please, no whining if we find out that it DOES require the SEP.

Thanks!

-Steve

[ndnguy85]

it's not all about sero customers. i doubt they make up any significant part of sprint's customers. when it started getting out of hand, they took out the "good sero."

as much of a deal the SE family plans are, i dont want to pay that much monthly. i dont features to be forced on me just because it's a good deal.

i am happy with my 1000 min powerpack plan for 4 lines for ~70 bucks monthly. and yes it's loaded.

as far as the pre, i think the difference between that and the instinct requiring plans is, palm also wants to keep the business side happy. instinct was def a consumer phone so sprint knew they could do watever they wanted.

[ScrapMaker]

it's not all about sero customers. i doubt they make up any significant part of sprint's customers. when it started getting out of hand, they took out the "good sero."

as much of a deal the SE family plans are, i dont want to pay that much monthly. i dont features to be forced on me just because it's a good deal.

i am happy with my 1000 min powerpack plan for 4 lines for ~70 bucks monthly. and yes it's loaded.

as far as the pre, i think the difference between that and the instinct requiring plans is, palm also wants to keep the business side happy. instinct was def a consumer phone so sprint knew they could do watever they wanted.

Seeing your avatar is driving me crazy! Every morning, I look at my M1 sitting on my desk--and remember what it was like to NOT have my phone crash, and to have the best cameraphone on any American handset--aside from the recent 5mp etc... even better than the Diamond and Touch Pro...

Just don't know if I can go back to being less-connected... I'm an addict, damnit!

[laursifer]

PLEASE keep your SERO arguments in the SERO thread:
http://sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=180907

[Dragonman]

Wirelessly posted (Touch Diamond & ic902: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11) Sprint MP6950SP)

If sprint does require a sep plan, that wouldnt just leave out sero customers, but all those with grandfathered plans....fair n flex, free n clear,etc. i highly doubt they will...they didn't do it for the new htcs, treo pro. im sure if the instink didn't require a sep plan, they would have seen an increase in sales. then those customers who didn't have a sep plan, used addl features of the phone, increase in revenue, maybe even switch to a sep plan.
yeah ive got sero, 6 lines.

True, but those phones weren't Sprint exclusives. Sprint spent $100 million advertising the Instinct. Getting the exclusive from Palm couldn't have been cheap.

[johnny hotsauce]

Here's my 2 cents on this and it might only be worth half as much ;)

I have a feeling that an Everything Plan variation won't be required for the Pre but a minimum requirement of a data plan will be, which makes total sense since this device will be extremely data centric.

Here's my rationale on this but I could always be wrong. Palm's have been traditionally business type devices but have had a consumer following as well. Most corporations that may consider this device for employee/business use aren't going to be too keen on providing an Everything Plan for use with this phone. Not because of the cost of an Everything Plan but because of device capability. Everything plans include pretty much everything but the kitchen sink as far as bolt on options for plans and most companies don't encourage their employees to use their company phones as personal toys to stream music and videos, play music from your SD card or internal storage or use the phone for a personal GPS device. In most cases they basically allow their employees to use their phones for business calls and allow data for e-mail, connecting to an exchange server or for some texting if needed.

Considering the business demographic can potentially be pretty large my feeling is that Palm would prefer to think of those needs first before the average consumer base.

I'm sure the simple answer to that dilema would be to have business accounts have one requirement and consumer accounts have an Everything Plan requirement but that answer isn't always as simple as it sounds. There are many business customers out there (like me) that have consumer accounts and plans that expense their phone every month because the company doesn't officially want to have contracts or official plans on their books. I know my company audits my monthly bill to make sure my plan fits their requirement for company use and also to make sure that there's nothing on there that shouldn't be like ringtone downloads, etc and if there is they make sure I pay for those things they don't allow.

Again, this is just my speculation and thoughts and not a wish for what plan I "think" should be required for this device. As Dragonman mentioned, Sprint most likely paid Palm a good amount of money for the exclusive and I'm sure that part of that agreement will be Palm's input of what the minimum plan requirements should be for the Pre.

As for me, I can't wait to get my hands on one of these things (no matter what plan I need to have).

:Popcorn2:

[Darkflame808]

I think Sprint is joining up with palm because it is beneficial to both companies.

Palm has just as much to gain by going with sprint then sprint does going with palm.

What palm needs is to sell phones, What sprint needs is to gain customers. Looking at it from a network prospective you got all the major players with their own pick of the nest devices.

AT&T has Iphone
Tmobile has the G1
Sprint has the Instinct
Verizon has the Storm

Look at it from palms prospective, You want to sell phones. Phones phones phone it's all about phones.

Do you go up against Apple? Who clearly has a loyal fanbase?
Do you go up against the G1? Another big contender in a new os market
Do you go up against the Storm? Possibly? but given verizon's pricing structure the cost of your phone may seem sweet but verizons cost for service may leave a lot to be desired.
Do you go up against the instinct? Sure why not? The instinct was a overhyped and a let down in many peoples eyes. This essentially means that once again sprint doesn't have a glory phone on their network.

Now when you read the reviews about sprint you'll consistently see the flaws pertain to CS. Not Call quality or data speeds. Sprint has the fastest 3G network in my experience. Maybe not the best latency but pure bandwithwise hands down goes to sprint.

Palm has everything to gain by releasing this phone for sprint. Even if sprint becomes a network failure, if the pre sells it gives palm a large footprint into pushing their next web-os device to whichever carrier will want it. Other carriers can look at the pre on sprint and say wow. For this webcentric device is really where the future lies. It's no longer about being a mobile device but rather a mobile companion that truly organizes your life. To truly bring the world to your fingertips and be smart enough to think ahead for you based on the context of what you are doing.

Other carriers will see the true power of what can be done. The G1 stands a stronger contender to this throne then does Apple due to the way their business markets are.

You look at verizon. The network carrier themselves play big brother over what a phone can or can't do.

Apple plays big broher to what a phone can or can't do.

The G1 said Here's a phone, do whatever the hell you want with it. Great for developers but until Tmobile flips 3g nationwide they are still in the backrunning.

Sprint has demonstrated they are all about giving you the most bang for your buck. Of course they cut back on CS funds to help push this business model but honestly, How often does someone need to deal with CS? Why even bother calling them and dealing with the waiting and the language barriers when you can just email them and be done with it.

Palm and sprint seem to me to be the best combination for this momentous launch.

With that in mind, I'm glad to be a part of the board, I look forward to many nice discussions with you guys in the future!

Have a great day!

Damn my first post and I was way off track. I forgot to add that if sprint knows what they are doing, They would allow sero to snag this phone. It would give them the free advertising. I don't know how many times i've seen people brag about having sero. Now they can brag about sero (which you can't get anymore. 30$ one anyway) and brag about the pre by demoing it for everyone they come across (which you CAN get)

This is why sprint should let sero get the phone, it's good for sprint, and it's good for palm.

[johnny hotsauce]

With that in mind, I'm glad to be a part of the board, I look forward to many nice discussions with you guys in the future!

Welcome! :headbang2

[htowngator]

I wouldn't have left VZW for Sprint if it wasn't for SERO.
So, Sprint gets my $30 they wouldn't be getting if it wasn't for SERO.
I helped 4 other people leave their cell companies for Sprint and SERO, that's another $150 (one got the $50 plan) a month Sprint gets instead of their competitors.
So, including myself, Sprint is getting $4,320 over 2 years from 5 customers they didn't have before SERO.
SERO was a way for Sprint to steal customers away from their competitors.
The original SERO Web site was easily accessible, heck the password was on it.
Still, I called a Sprint CS rep and asked if I could get SERO. He said yes.
It's worked out great for me.
I don't want the SE plan, I already own a Garmin GPS so I don't need Sprint's.
I have a Slingbox, so I don't need Sprint TV.
I already own all the music I like so I don't need Sprint Music.
I don't need SE, all I need is 500 voice minutes, unlimited text and data.
If I can get that for $30, why should I want a plan that triples my cost for things I really don't need?
As for the Pre, if I could get the $150 for fulfilling my 2 years, great, if not, I understand and I'll pay retail.

A-f'ing-men. Why do SERO haters act like I'm supposed to be the one that's grateful? I left att (who'd I'd had for 5 years) to get SERO so Sprint got a new customer and att lost one. That's a big net savings for Spring, IMO. I even got my friend to switch from vzn to Spring with SERO as well as my wife's plan from att.

The way I see it, I gained Sprint 3 new customers that they didn't have. And yes, SERO was easy to get and Sprint was more than happy to sign me up. Now you haters think I should not act like it's unfair to take it away?

As I've said multiple times, w/o SERO it is almost negligible in price for me to go to vzw or att who both have much better coverage, reliability, etc. If Sprint wants to lose a customer then that's their choice.

[sfhub]

Requiring SEP isn't just about that special employee plan either. There are many Sprint customers on F&F (Fair and Flexible) and F&C (Free and Clear) plans that keep them because over the years the plan evolved into something they are happy with.

The big deal with requiring SEP is that *everyone* who isn't currently on SEP needs to change plans, which could entail higher pricing for the same or less features or losing features and spending many calls trying to get them back. There is a comfort factor people get when they can get a new phone and keep their existing plan exactly as it is. This comfort factor decreases the barriers for adopting a new platform and will contribute to the success of the Pre.

[patchs]

Requiring SEP isn't just about that special employee plan either. There are many Sprint customers on F&F (Fair and Flexible) and F&C (Free and Clear) plans that keep them because over the years the plan evolved into something they are happy with.

The big deal with requiring SEP is that *everyone* who isn't currently on SEP needs to change plans, which could entail higher pricing for the same or less features or losing features and spending many calls trying to get them back. There is a comfort factor people get when they can get a new phone and keep their existing plan exactly as it is. This comfort factor decreases the barriers for adopting a new platform and will contribute to the success of the Pre.

This may be the smartest post on this thread.

[ScrapMaker]

Requiring SEP isn't just about that special employee plan either. There are many Sprint customers on F&F (Fair and Flexible) and F&C (Free and Clear) plans that keep them because over the years the plan evolved into something they are happy with.

The big deal with requiring SEP is that *everyone* who isn't currently on SEP needs to change plans, which could entail higher pricing for the same or less features or losing features and spending many calls trying to get them back. There is a comfort factor people get when they can get a new phone and keep their existing plan exactly as it is. This comfort factor decreases the barriers for adopting a new platform and will contribute to the success of the Pre.

I can understand your concerns. I had a great grandfathered Vision plan, and I happily traded it for $99 SEP. Now I have no worries whatsoever. I don't have to look at my minutes, or anything.

It's awesome.

[TK011391]

I can understand your concerns. I had a great grandfathered Vision plan, and I happily traded it for $99 SEP. Now I have no worries whatsoever. I don't have to look at my minutes, or anything.

It's awesome.

what about someone like me? i use barely any minutes, text a ton, and medium usage of data.

all for 17.50+TEP

dont hate, not sero, but on an F&C family plan with my parents. im the only one of 4 who texts and use data. i pay for my line($10) and texting ($7.50) and data(free) which was offered to me. i didnt call sprint repeatedly or anything. i payed for my own phone a 755P. being a college student how economical is it to go from paying $17.50+TEP to $99+TEP? and yes even though the pre might be expensive i pay for it with my own money cuz i choose to. i wouldnt mind paying more up front cuz i dont pay much for my plan. but i have had so many of my friends switch to Sprint I hit the referral limit. so dont tell me sprint isnt making money off me. cuz they are!

[htowngator]

what about someone like me? i use barely any minutes, text a ton, and medium usage of data.

all for 17.50+TEP

dont hate, not sero, but on an F&C family plan with my parents. im the only one of 4 who texts and use data. i pay for my line($10) and texting ($7.50) and data(free) which was offered to me. i didnt call sprint repeatedly or anything. i payed for my own phone a 755P. being a college student how economical is it to go from paying $17.50+TEP to $99+TEP? and yes even though the pre might be expensive i pay for it with my own money cuz i choose to. i wouldnt mind paying more up front cuz i dont pay much for my plan. but i have had so many of my friends switch to Sprint I hit the referral limit. so dont tell me sprint isnt making money off me. cuz they are!

Exactly, I use a ton of data and messaging, but barely any minutes (maybe 300 or so per month). Just to get the minimum SEP even with corp discount I'd have to add $22/month and get 50 less minutes on top of it. What's the point?

[ndnguy85]

Seeing your avatar is driving me crazy! Every morning, I look at my M1 sitting on my desk--and remember what it was like to NOT have my phone crash, and to have the best cameraphone on any American handset--aside from the recent 5mp etc... even better than the Diamond and Touch Pro...

Just don't know if I can go back to being less-connected... I'm an addict, damnit!

lol. at work people are like oh still have that brick phone?

i had it since dec 05.

i HAVE to get a new phone soon and I have really really high hopes for the pre.

don't want a blackberry or any windows mobile stuff.

centro's keyboard is tiny and it feels cheap.

[grrrrrrr]

Here's what it ultimately boils down to. We are all consumers. What is the ultimate goal of the consumer? To feel like you have gotten the best deal possible for the cheapest price possible. If you feel like you've attained this then congratulations. Sprint is a business. They hope to bring in as much money as possible for the products and services that they offer.

I am a SERO plan holder. In my mind, I have achieved the best deal that I could possibly have procured given the services that I receive from this plan and the price that I pay. Additionally, as a consumer, I am going to continue to try to get the best deal for myself to feel that I have continued to maintain or better yet, increase the "perceived value" that I feel that I am getting from my current agreement with Sprint.

If Sprint offers the Pre for a higher price to any non-SEP planholders then I will probably take advantage of that and buy this phone at a higher price in order to keep my current plan. If Sprint opts to offer the Pre only with a SEP then my "perceived value" tells me that it will not be worth it to switch to a SEP just to be able to have this phone.

This choice and "perceived value" differs from person to person. Some people may decide that for them buying the Pre and switching to a SEP offers them the best deal that they can get for the money. It's a personal choice.

Bottom line. Sprint makes business decisions based on making money. That's common sense. Consumers will always (and they should because they have the right to do so) gravitate towards getting themselves the best deal possible. It's not greed. It's common sense.

[cwfluke]

Consumers will always (and they should because they have the right to do so) gravitate towards getting themselves the best deal possible. It's not greed. It's common sense.

That's what the SERO haters out there don't understand. They think everyone is trying to screw Sprint over somehow - which is far from the truth. If you don't at least attempt to get the best deal possible (in not only cell phone plans but anything you purchase) you would be making a very ignorant decision. I really don't think a lot of people will be changing plans if it doubles their monthly cost just for the right to use a particular phone. But as was stated earlier, its simply a matter of personal choice. Sprint has to do what they feel they have to do in order to make the most money and consumers will react in kind. Personally, they will have to pry my SERO plan out of my cold dead hands! No phone, not the Pre, not the iPhone, not any Android phone, is worth $800-$1000 extra over the life of a 2-year contract.

[ScrapMaker]

lol. at work people are like oh still have that brick phone?

i had it since dec 05.

i HAVE to get a new phone soon and I have really really high hopes for the pre.

don't want a blackberry or any windows mobile stuff.

centro's keyboard is tiny and it feels cheap.

Isn't the keyboard very similar?

That's what the SERO haters out there don't understand. They think everyone is trying to screw Sprint over somehow - which is far from the truth. If you don't at least attempt to get the best deal possible (in not only cell phone plans but anything you purchase) you would be making a very ignorant decision. I really don't think a lot of people will be changing plans if it doubles their monthly cost just for the right to use a particular phone. But as was stated earlier, its simply a matter of personal choice. Sprint has to do what they feel they have to do in order to make the most money and consumers will react in kind. Personally, they will have to pry my SERO plan out of my cold dead hands! No phone, not the Pre, not the iPhone, not any Android phone, is worth $800-$1000 extra over the life of a 2-year contract.

People think data is free. The "oh, but I hardly use any minutes at all--just gigabytes upon gigabytes of data each month," defense really isn't--a defense, at all.

Yes, go after the best deal possible, because that was capitalism is all about. Do realize, however, that if everyone on Sprint was using SERO, they would have sunk already. It's the other people, (us,) who are compensating for your cheaper plans.

If SERO didn't exist, theoretically, Sprint could offer the SEP for less... Would you SERO people pay $69.99 for a SEP? (fully unlimited?)

[laursifer]

Here is where the SERO "defenders" are misunderstanding the SERO "haters," I think...

First, let's put this out there: SERO was never intended to be as widespread as it became. It was intended for Sprint employees to use for family, close friends and--as a last resort--to close a deal they might otherwise lose. Due to poor management of the plan on Sprint's end, and abuse of handing it out by Sprint employees, SERO went buckwild and, with a small amount of effort, any Tom, **** or Jane could get the plan.

Second, SERO was never--and has never--been intended to be available for any device on Sprint's network. From the beginning, it was limited to select phones. This was made clear from Sprint from the start.

Where the so-called SERO "haters" have a problem is when Sprint customers on the SERO plan whine & complain at and about Sprint when they can't have their SERO plan on any phone they want. Some of them even resort to 'threatening' Sprint, saying they're going to leave Sprint if they can't have SERO on x-device. Those who accept that they may not be able to have x-phone with their SERO plan, and do so with dignity... those aren't the ones who cause these great debates.

To my knowledge, people aren't complaining about people because they have SERO. You got yourself what is, for your needs, a fantastic plan. Some SERO subscribers just need to accept that you sometimes can't have your fantastic plan with a certain fantastic phone--that's part of the SERO deal, so when people constantly complain about Sprint for not making certain phones available with SERO, it's going to annoy some people, yes. If they're disappointed with it, that's one thing. But some people just don't let it go, as if Sprint is doing them some sort of injustice, when many of them have a plan that sorta was never intended for them in the first place.

[patchs]

Isn't the keyboard very similar?



People think data is free. The "oh, but I hardly use any minutes at all--just gigabytes upon gigabytes of data each month," defense really isn't--a defense, at all.

Yes, go after the best deal possible, because that was capitalism is all about. Do realize, however, that if everyone on Sprint was using SERO, they would have sunk already. It's the other people, (us,) who are compensating for your cheaper plans.

If SERO didn't exist, theoretically, Sprint could offer the SEP for less... Would you SERO people pay $69.99 for a SEP? (fully unlimited?)

If Sprint offered SERO to everyone, they would probably take 20 percent of the competition's business.
Heck with Boost offering unlimited voice, text and data for $50, we're geting closer to it.
But since SERO is no longer offered, we'll never know.
You SERO haters are barking up the wrong tree, it's Sprint you should be angry at.
And I'll say it one more time, myself and 4 others left other carriers for Sprint and SERO. That's more than $150 a month that Sprint is getting they didn't have without SERO.
We get the point, non-SERO subs don't like SERO.
Grow up and get over it.
Or start a I hate SERO thread and post on it.

[ScrapMaker]

Here is where the SERO "defenders" are misunderstanding the SERO "haters," I think...

First, let's put this out there: SERO was never intended to be as widespread as it became. It was intended for Sprint employees to use for family, close friends and--as a last resort--to close a deal they might otherwise lose. Due to poor management of the plan on Sprint's end, and abuse of handing it out by Sprint employees, SERO went buckwild and, with a small amount of effort, any Tom, **** or Jane could get the plan.

Second, SERO was never--and has never--been intended to be available for any device on Sprint's network. From the beginning, it was limited to select phones. This was made clear from Sprint from the start.

Where the so-called SERO "haters" have a problem is when Sprint customers on the SERO plan whine & complain at and about Sprint when they can't have their SERO plan on any phone they want. Some of them even resort to 'threatening' Sprint, saying they're going to leave Sprint if they can't have SERO on x-device. Those who accept that they may not be able to have x-phone with their SERO plan, and do so with dignity... those aren't the ones who cause these great debates.

To my knowledge, people aren't complaining about people because they have SERO. You got yourself what is, for your needs, a fantastic plan. Some SERO subscribers just need to accept that you sometimes can't have your fantastic plan with a certain fantastic phone--that's part of the SERO deal, so when people constantly complain about Sprint for not making certain phones available with SERO, it's going to annoy some people, yes. If they're disappointed with it, that's one thing. But some people just don't let it go, as if Sprint is doing them some sort of injustice, when many of them have a plan that sorta was never intended for them in the first place.


Bingo. I don't care that they have the plans--and I am most certainly not jealous. For me, money is of no concern, regarding cellular phone use. I can see why it would be for others, and having the plan is great for them. I just hope we can stop the "Sprint should," or "I'll find a way," or "Sprint would be stupid," comments... All they do is annoy the others here who are playing by the rules.

[grrrrrrr]

Isn't the keyboard very similar?



People think data is free. The "oh, but I hardly use any minutes at all--just gigabytes upon gigabytes of data each month," defense really isn't--a defense, at all.

Yes, go after the best deal possible, because that was capitalism is all about. Do realize, however, that if everyone on Sprint was using SERO, they would have sunk already. It's the other people, (us,) who are compensating for your cheaper plans.

If SERO didn't exist, theoretically, Sprint could offer the SEP for less... Would you SERO people pay $69.99 for a SEP? (fully unlimited?)


Do you honestly believe in your heart of hearts that your SEP is priced higher because of the people who have SERO plans? You can't honestly believe that there are enough SERO plans out there to influence the pricing other plans.

You're SEP is priced the way it is because Sprint is trying to price the Everything plans as competitively as possible while still making a profit. SERO plans are not influencing what you're paying and your monthly payment is not compensating for anything that has to do with SERO.

[ScrapMaker]

If Sprint offered SERO to everyone, they would probably take 20 percent of the competition's business.
Heck with Boost offering unlimited voice, text and data for $50, we're geting closer to it.
But since SERO is no longer offered, we'll never know.
You SERO haters are barking up the wrong tree, it's Sprint you should be angry at.
And I'll say it one more time, myself and 4 others left other carriers for Sprint and SERO. That's more than $150 a month that Sprint is getting they didn't have without SERO.
We get the point, non-SERO subs don't like SERO.
Grow up and get over it.
Or start a I hate SERO thread and post on it.

There is no chance in hell that Sprint would even be in business if everyone had a SERO plan. That should be obvious.

Now, if you think about it, depending on usage, Sprint could be breaking-even on you and the 4 others you brought over. It would only take 1 or 2 SEP users to make more money than you and your friends. That is why Sprint wants to push the SEPs.

Do you honestly believe in your heart of hearts that your SEP is priced higher because of the people who have SERO plans? You can't honestly believe that there are enough SERO plans out there to influence the pricing other plans.

You're SEP is priced the way it is because Sprint is trying to price the Everything plans as competitively as possible while still making a profit. SERO plans are not influencing what you're paying and you're monthly payment is not compensating for anythign that has to do with SERO.

I said that [theoretically] the SEP price could be lower, if Sprint wasn't taking so many hits on these abused discount plans. Not that they would, because yes, the $99 mark is pretty damn competitive right now, especially with AT&T and Verizon coming in at nearly $170 for the same features.

Look, I have no problem with you guys getting subsidized by the rest of us--if I did, I'd have a heart attack, because that's the way our government works as well...

[grrrrrrr]

I said that [theoretically] the SEP price could be lower, if Sprint wasn't taking so many hits on these abused discount plans. Not that they would, because yes, the $99 mark is pretty damn competitive right now, especially with AT&T and Verizon coming in at nearly $170 for the same features.

Look, I have no problem with you guys getting subsidized by the rest of us--if I did, I'd have a heart attack, because that's the way our government works as well...


Your remarks clearly say otherwise. Just observing your choice of words ("I have no problem with you guys getting subsidized by the rest of us") shows that you obviously harbor ill-will toward SERO planholders. I really don't think it's just confined to those SERO owners that you claim whine about everything either. I truly believe that you feel this way toward all SERO planholders.

If Sprint were an insurance company then you could have something that would make sense. You might be paying higher premiums because of people that don't have insurance. Those people without insurance certainly do influence the premiums insurance-holding people pay.

SEP and SERO are simply 2 different plan offerings from Sprint. They are each priced based on differing factors. SEP is priced extremely competitively when compared to other carrier's plans offering the same services. They priced it that way because they know they can undercut the competition and still make a profit from the plans. The plans are already priced inherently low in comparison to similar plans from other carriers. That makes your comment about "subsidizing" all the more senseless. To imply that SEP planholders are "subsidizing" SERO planholders is a ridiculous statement laden with contempt.

[cwfluke]

Bingo. I don't care that they have the plans--and I am most certainly not jealous.


All they do is annoy the others here who are playing by the rules.

I think clearly you do care - otherwise you wouldn't comment. And why are people with SERO "not playing by the rules"?! You honestly believe that Sprint didn't know exactly how many people were signing up for SERO? Why on earth would they create a plan and let it "get out of control" as you claim they did, if they were somehow losing money?! SERO customers certainly have a lower APRU however I highly doubt they are losing money. Regardless of why the program was started, Sprint allowed it to be open to more people and KEPT it open for YEARS!! So please stop acting like SERO customers are somehow morally wrong by participating in a program that Sprint made readily available to anyone. To think Sprint didn't know people other than employee's and their friends/family were joining SERO is fairly naive.

But all this is off-topic! Many are excited about the Pre - including myself. I for one will get it as soon as it comes out - assuming Sprint will allow me to activate it on my morally wrong SERO plan. If not, i'll be very disappointed but won't expect Sprint to change their minds. Its their right to do whatever they feel is in the best interest of their company and I won't be leaving Sprint either - I'm quite happy with their service. Can't we all just get along?! :circle:

[ScrapMaker]

To imply that SEP planholders are "subsidizing" SERO planholders is a ridiculous statement laden with contempt.

You can word it however you like, but if everyone had SERO plans, Sprint would tank. That inherently means that the other customers are preventing that from happening.

It clear that Sprint never intended for so many people to find the SERO loophole, and they fixed it when it became a real problem.

[cwfluke]

You can word it however you like, but if everyone had SERO plans, Sprint would tank. That inherently means that the other customers are preventing that from happening.

It clear that Sprint never intended for so many people to find the SERO loophole, and they fixed it when it became a real problem.

So you honestly believe it took them YEARS to realize it was costing them money? Really? Even I have more faith in Sprint than that.

[ScrapMaker]

So you honestly believe it took them YEARS to realize it was costing them money? Really? Even I have more faith in Sprint than that.

Obviously, they knew it was costing them money. At first, it was getting them customers/etc, but then it got out of control, with everyone abusing the SERO plan requirements.

...plus, who knows how often Sprint analyzes things like SERO. Perhaps, it really did take them years to get around to investigating it.

Just like it took YEARS for Motorola to realize it was not profitable to maintain a WM staff.

[grrrrrrr]

You can word it however you like, but if everyone had SERO plans, Sprint would tank. That inherently means that the other customers are preventing that from happening.

It clear that Sprint never intended for so many people to find the SERO loophole, and they fixed it when it became a real problem.

I have always been one to engage in good, sporting back-and-forth. However, I have to assume at this point that you either simply have a vendetta against the SERO planholders that no one will ever change your mind about regardless of how much common sense comes out of their heads and onto these message boards. Or, you are simply dense.

It clear that Sprint never intended for so many people to find the SERO loophole, and they fixed it when it became a real problem.

After this comment I'm really not certain which one it is; vendetta or dense. Sprint opened this program up to the public. If it was getting out of hand as you suggest, they could've closed the program at any point in time. Do you really think a company the size of Sprint would continue offering plans that weren't making them any money for so long? Please.

[ScrapMaker]

I have always been one to engage in good, sporting back-and-forth. However, I have to assume at this point that you either simply have a vendetta against the SERO planholders that no one will ever change your mind about regardless of how much common sense comes out of their heads and onto these message boards. Or, you are simply dense.

It clear that Sprint never intended for so many people to find the SERO loophole, and they fixed it when it became a real problem.

After this comment I'm really not certain which one it is; vendetta or dense. Sprint opened this program up to the public. If it was getting out of hand as you suggest, they could've closed the program at any point in time. Do you really think a company the size of Sprint would continue offering plans that weren't making them any money for so long? Please.

Obviously I am dense. I mistakenly assumed that SERO plans were intended for close friends and family of Sprint employees. I think I'll go stare at the wall for a few hours now.

[grrrrrrr]

You can word it however you like, but if everyone had SERO plans, Sprint would tank. That inherently means that the other customers are preventing that from happening.

This statement is ridiculous on so many levels. That's like saying that if McDonald's only sold regular hamburgers for $1.00 they would go out of business. But, thankfully, they have things like the Big Mac that sell for $2.95 that can take up the slack for the price of the hamburger. So, that inherently means that the Big Mac is keeping McDonald's from going under. Cmon, man.

[cwfluke]

Obviously I am dense. I mistakenly assumed that SERO plans were intended for close friends and family of Sprint employees. I think I'll go stare at the wall for a few hours now.

LOL - that was funny! Everyone always resorts to name calling and can't just go back and forth like civilized people. That will always puzzle me. Anyway, I actually (partially) agree with you. I think it was STARTED as a program for friends and famil onlyy, but they realized it was getting them more customers to leave other wireless companies. I think Sprint saw this as a good thing and decided to keep it open for years. I'd like to think that if it actually was costing Sprint money that they would have shut it down (which they have recently done) a long time ago, but you're right - who knows. Maybe I give Sprint too much credit.

[ScrapMaker]

This statement is ridiculous on so many levels. That's like saying that if McDonald's only sold regular hamburgers for $1.00 they would go out of business. But, thankfully, they have things like the Big Mac that sell for $2.95 that can take up the slack for the price of the hamburger. So, that inherently means that the Big Mac is keeping McDonald's from going under. Cmon, man.

Alrighty man, if thinking that SERO members are the backbone of Sprint, giving them much-needed revenue, and pulling them from this financial slump--makes you happy... then by all means.

Plus, your analogy is all wrong. What you should have compared is the deal that McDonald's used to run where they had $0.20 hamburgers...

Do you think McDonald's would still be in business if all they sold were 20-cent burgers? Methinks not.

I don't see why you are so personally-offended by people recognizing a cellular plan for what it is. A very heavily-discounted plan that was not intended en masse.

No sense in beating a dead horse here... we don't know whether or not if Sprint will require the SEP plans, but we all know that they have the right to do this, and as the old saying goes--beggers can't be choosers.

Obviously I'm not implying that SERO users are homeless.

[ScrapMaker]

LOL - that was funny! Everyone always resorts to name calling and can't just go back and forth like civilized people. That will always puzzle me. Anyway, I actually (partially) agree with you. I think it was STARTED as a program for friends and famil onlyy, but they realized it was getting them more customers to leave other wireless companies. I think Sprint saw this as a good thing and decided to keep it open for years. I'd like to think that if it actually was costing Sprint money that they would have shut it down (which they have recently done) a long time ago, but you're right - who knows. Maybe I give Sprint too much credit.

See, that's exactly what Sprint was doing... trying to get people to stay with Sprint--even after their discount expired... they could take a hit, as long as it benefitted them in the long run.

The responses from users on forums like these have led me to believe that someone at Sprint miscalculated badly... Most sound like they will not stay with Sprint unless they keep their SERO plans. Not what Sprint was hoping for--to say the least.

[grrrrrrr]

Alrighty man, if thinking that SERO members are the backbone of Sprint, giving them much-needed revenue, and pulling them from this financial slump--makes you happy... then by all means.

WOW! I can only conclude that you are, in fact, dense. What you wrote above is exactly what YOU have been implying over and over again in every thread where the mere mention of SERO is written, not me. YOU ARE THE ONE that implied that so many people have SERO that you SEP'ers have to subsidize the SERO prices in order to keep Sprint afloat.

From the onset I have stated that SERO is simply one of the many plans offered by Sprint. YOU are the one who took umbrage with SERO planholders (under the guise that you only have a problem with those that you see as complainers when it is evident that you just have a problem with SERO in general). YOU are the one that has given SERO much more importance to Sprint's bottom-line than it really has.

It is now blatantly evident to me that it is futile to try and engage you in a healthy debate over this.

[cwfluke]

The responses from users on forums like these have led me to believe that someone at Sprint miscalculated badly... Most sound like they will not stay with Sprint unless they keep their SERO plans. Not what Sprint was hoping for--to say the least.

If you want to leave Sprint because they won't let you keep your SERO plan, its partially understandable (to me) because you fall into a trap of feeling like you are entitled to your current plan forever. But I hope those same people that threaten to leave realize that it will be PURELY out of spite and stubbornness because they will certainly still spend more money on AT&T and Verizon if they leave Sprint - SERO or no SERO. I'm one of those that will hold onto my SERO plan as long as I can. I use a lot of data and very little voice so the SERO plan is perfect for me in my opinion. I don't use GPS, Sprint TV, or all the other little add-ons and have no desire to. So for me switching to an SEP plan is a "waste" of money - but i also realize that at SOME point, my SERO plan will be taken away and i'll be forced to pay for things i don't use. Until that time though - I'm still hopeful I get to use cool phones and will be irritated (but will get over it) if I don't on my current plan.

[ManUtd7]

First SERO is not a drain on Sprint.
Yes, it does have a significantly lower profit margin than their regular plans but it is not bleeding them of money. If it was do you honestly think they would continue to offer it or even honor current subscribers to the plan? No. They would discontinue to offer SERO and force current holders to switch immediately. Better to lose the financial drain on the business than to keep the subscribers. After all they are literally costing company money, not opportunity costs (which is what you are really arguing). That is just plain business sense.
Now, since Mr. Hesse has come to power we have a new SERO plan that has increased the price (thus the profit margin) and restricted access to be strictly for friends and family of Sprint employees. A company in the financial situation as Sprint cannot afford and would not be allowed by their Board of Directors to offer plans that are free or cost the company money outside their own employees.

Also, grrrrr's McDonald's example is exactly right. $1 hamburgers are not losing them money but the Big Mac does offer a better profit margin. However, the $1 hamburger does not dictate the price of the Big Mac.

[cwfluke]

Obviously I'm not implying that SERO users are homeless.

Ouch! Methinks that was a back-handed "compliment". :confused:

[ScrapMaker]

WOW! I can only conclude that you are, in fact, dense. What you wrote above is exactly what YOU have been implying over and over again in every thread where the mere mention of SERO is written, not me. YOU ARE THE ONE that implied that so many people have SERO that you SEP'ers have to subsidize the SERO prices in order to keep Sprint afloat.

From the onset I have stated that SERO is simply one of the many plans offered by Sprint. YOU are the one who took umbrage with SERO planholders (under the guise that you only have a problem with those that you see as complainers when it is evident that you just have a problem with SERO in general). YOU are the one that has given SERO much more importance to Sprint's bottom-line than it really has.

It is now blatantly evident to me that it is futile to try and engage you in a healthy debate over this.

I'm glad you learned something today. There's another saying, about arguments/winning/internet/special olympics.

Can you actually keep a straight face when saying that SEP plans are not compensating in some way, for the near-at-cost SERO plans?

If you want to leave Sprint because they won't let you keep your SERO plan, its partially understandable (to me) because you fall into a trap of feeling like you are entitled to your current plan forever. But I hope those same people that threaten to leave realize that it will be PURELY out of spite and stubbornness because they will certainly still spend more money on AT&T and Verizon if they leave Sprint - SERO or no SERO. I'm one of those that will hold onto my SERO plan as long as I can. I use a lot of data and very little voice so the SERO plan is perfect for me in my opinion. I don't use GPS, Sprint TV, or all the other little add-ons and have no desire to. So for me switching to an SEP plan is a "waste" of money - but i also realize that at SOME point, my SERO plan will be taken away and i'll be forced to pay for things i don't use. Until that time though - I'm still hopeful I get to use cool phones and will be irritated (but will get over it) if I don't on my current plan.

Definitely... no other carrier comes close.

First SERO is not a drain on Sprint.
Yes, it does have a significantly lower profit margin than their regular plans but it is not bleeding them of money. If it was do you honestly think they would continue to offer it or even honor current subscribers to the plan? No. They would discontinue to offer SERO and force current holders to switch immediately. Better to lose the financial drain on the business than to keep the subscribers. After all they are literally costing company money, not opportunity costs (which is what you are really arguing). That is just plain business sense.
Now, since Mr. Hesse has come to power we have a new SERO plan that has increased the price (thus the profit margin) and restricted access to be strictly for friends and family of Sprint employees. A company in the financial situation as Sprint cannot afford and would not be allowed by their Board of Directors to offer plans that are free or cost the company money outside their own employees.

Also, grrrrr's McDonald's example is exactly right. $1 hamburgers are not losing them money but the Big Mac does offer a better profit margin. However, the $1 hamburger does not dictate the price of the Big Mac.

(most) SERO members are in a contract. Sprint cannot just change their price, or force them into another plan. I don't think Sprint can even force people into new plans when the contract expires. They can and do remove 'perks,' though. If the data is built into the plan, I don't think they can change anything.

This is also why people with grandfathered Vision get to keep it the way it is. It's in there terms, they can't just force you to change.

I have to disagree with the McDonald's analogy--- Yes, the $1 burger would not put them out of business---in fact, it's a great advertisment/customer attraction.

However, to make it more accurate, you would have to compare SERO to an employee getting 20 cent burgers... and then finding a way to get millions of people to get that same discount. It would put a huge dent in profits...

[grrrrrrr]

I'm glad you learned something today. There's another saying, about arguments/winning/internet/special olympics.

Can you actually keep a straight face when saying that SEP plans are not compensating in some way, for the near-at-cost SERO plans?

I'm done with you. It's obvious that you can't be reasoned with.

[cwfluke]

(most) SERO members are in a contract. Sprint cannot just change their price, or force them into another plan. I don't think Sprint can even force people into new plans when the contract expires. They can and do remove 'perks,' though. If the data is built into the plan, I don't think they can change anything.

This is also why people with grandfathered Vision get to keep it the way it is. It's in there terms, they can't just force you to change.

Actually Sprint can change anything they want, at any time, for any reason. They can take away SERO plans or grandfathered plans at the drop of a hat. From the agreement everyone "signs":

"We may change any part of the Agreement at any time, including, but not limited to, rates, charges, how we calculate charges, or your terms of Service. If a change we make to the Agreement is material and has a material adverse effect on Services under your Term Commitment, you may terminate each line of Service materially affected without incurring an Early Termination Fee only if you......."

Now...you then have the right to cancel at any time - but Sprint can do whatever they want to the price of your plan, add additional charges, take perks aways, etc. People think they are entitled to things that they are NOT.

[ManUtd7]

I'm glad you learned something today. There's another saying, about arguments/winning/internet/special olympics.

Can you actually keep a straight face when saying that SEP plans are not compensating in some way, for the near-at-cost SERO plans?



Definitely... no other carrier comes close.



(most) SERO members are in a contract. Sprint cannot just change their price, or force them into another plan. I don't think Sprint can even force people into new plans when the contract expires. They can and do remove 'perks,' though. If the data is built into the plan, I don't think they can change anything.

This is also why people with grandfathered Vision get to keep it the way it is. It's in there terms, they can't just force you to change.

I have to disagree with the McDonald's analogy--- Yes, the $1 burger would not put them out of business---in fact, it's a great advertisment/customer attraction.

However, to make it more accurate, you would have to compare SERO to an employee getting 20 cent burgers... and then finding a way to get millions of people to get that same discount. It would put a huge dent in profits...

You really need to do your homework.

In EVERY Sprint customer's T&C Agreement:

Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services
We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason, including, but not limited to: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit ("ASL"); (c) harassing/threatening our employees or agents; (d) providing false information; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement; (g) breaching the Agreement, including our Policies; (h) providing false, inaccurate, dated or unverifiable identification or credit information, or becoming insolvent or bankrupt; (i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications; or (j) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer's interests or our network.

[ScrapMaker]

You really need to do your homework.

In EVERY Sprint customer's T&C Agreement:

Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services
We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason, including, but not limited to: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit ("ASL"); (c) harassing/threatening our employees or agents; (d) providing false information; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement; (g) breaching the Agreement, including our Policies; (h) providing false, inaccurate, dated or unverifiable identification or credit information, or becoming insolvent or bankrupt; (i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications; or (j) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer's interests or our network.

Like mentioned above, that breaches the contract and the individual doesn't have to pay an ETF...

It's been Sprint's internal policy, regardless of agreement, to allow people to stay on grandfathered-plans.

So yeah, I guess they could take the SERO users off the plans, but that would be unprecedented...

[ManUtd7]

Like mentioned above, that breaches the contract and the individual doesn't have to pay an ETF...

It's been Sprint's internal policy, regardless of agreement, to allow people to stay on grandfathered-plans.

So yeah, I guess they could take the SERO users off the plans, but that would be unprecedented...

So would be offering a service for nothing by a publicly traded company.

[ScrapMaker]

So would be offering a service nearly at cost by a publicly traded company.

Fixed that for you. Obviously it's not "something for nothing," here.

[Darkflame808]

Jeez you guys are at each others throats about sero in every thread I read.

If con***ious was here he'd probably make a quote like "he who is without sero is sour"

LOL!!

To get back on topic.

WHO CARES if sep is requires or not. If you want the phone, get the phone. If sprint says SEP only, well then i'll get two lines, one for sep and i'll just keep paying my sero and give sero to a family member. Now sprint has two customers instead of one.

People who cry about not wanting to lose sero over a phone. Well that's a sacrifice you're willing to make.

And for those of you who cry cause you "personally feel" that sero users are milkers or whatever.

Don't hate!, just cause you "choose" to pay more money for something doesn't make you a better person. It makes you a person who chooses not to shop for a better deal.

If you guys are so hell bent on crying because someone's saving X amount more then you well stock up on a lot of tissues cause you'll be crying for a long time. While you're at it. Get puff's tissues. They cost more but that extra money spent will give you a warm fuzzy feeling when you blow your nose.

[ScrapMaker]

Jeez you guys are at each others throats about sero in every thread I read.

If con***ious was here he'd probably make a quote like "he who is without sero is sour"

LOL!!

To get back on topic.

WHO CARES if sep is requires or not. If you want the phone, get the phone. If sprint says SEP only, well then i'll get two lines, one for sep and i'll just keep paying my sero and give sero to a family member. Now sprint has two customers instead of one.

People who cry about not wanting to lose sero over a phone. Well that's a sacrifice you're willing to make.

And for those of you who cry cause you "personally feel" that sero users are milkers or whatever.

Don't hate!, just cause you "choose" to pay more money for something doesn't make you a better person. It makes you a person who chooses not to shop for a better deal.

If you guys are so hell bent on crying because someone's saving X amount more then you well stock up on a lot of tissues cause you'll be crying for a long time. While you're at it. Get puff's tissues. They cost more but that extra money spent will give you a warm fuzzy feeling when you blow your nose.

Yeah, we'll just have to wait and see. I would bet money that the majority of people who would consider buying the Pre, who would refuse to switch plans if required, is significantly lower than 60%, as the poll indicates.

[laursifer]

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Guys, leave the personal attacks at the door, please. Have your lively debate but be mature about it. And do remember that we have a SERO thread. Comparing SE to SERO is all fine & good, but we've gotten into a SERO-only pattern a bit. Just a little reminder from your friendly neighborhood laursifer (she's that really cool one).

[jongo]

i have a blackberry curve with a blackberry plan and i have unlimited everything besides email and its only 30 bucks i dont understand why i would need to pay $70 for the same things on the everything plan when i can just keep my blackberry plan

[cwfluke]

i have a blackberry curve with a blackberry plan and i have unlimited everything besides email and its only 30 bucks i dont understand why i would need to pay $70 for the same things on the everything plan when i can just keep my blackberry plan

Crackberry plans are completely separate and only apply to blackberries. If you only pay $30 TOTAL for your plan (for everything except unlimited e-mail) then you have a hell of a deal. If I'm not mistaken, typical crackberry plans require an inflated $30 add-on ON TOP of whatever your normal plan is. SEP typically looks like a good deal compared to blackberry plans.

[yabo]

Crackberry plans are completely separate and only apply to blackberries. If you only pay $30 TOTAL for your plan (for everything except unlimited e-mail) then you have a hell of a deal. If I'm not mistaken, typical crackberry plans require an inflated $30 add-on ON TOP of whatever your normal plan is. SEP typically looks like a good deal compared to blackberry plans.

Yep... had a friend hop over to Sprint, and I told him to get the Treo 700w (at the time) to use with his shiny new SERO plan. What does he do? Opts for the blackberry then decides he doesn't want to pay for the blackberry plan. Fancy phone, fancy plan and he can use it to... Make calls and send texts. He can't even use basic browsing due to the blackberry software. All to save like 30 bucks in the initial purchase.

I think the SEP even includes some basic BB features, just not BB exchange stuff, no?

[ScrapMaker]

i have a blackberry curve with a blackberry plan and i have unlimited everything besides email and its only 30 bucks i dont understand why i would need to pay $70 for the same things on the everything plan when i can just keep my blackberry plan

Because if they require SEP--you can't.

[decypher44]

And don't ever say anything slightly critical about a MOD. They just might delete your post....


/kidding, kidding


Well, my anticipation for the Pre is almost dead. Figuring that I won't be able to get it on my SERO plan, along with a possible 4-5 month wait, plus the 3rd gen iPhone due to be out...well, interest is waning.

[NM08SRT8]

And don't ever say anything slightly critical about a MOD. They just might delete your post....


/kidding, kidding


Well, my anticipation for the Pre is almost dead. Figuring that I won't be able to get it on my SERO plan, along with a possible 4-5 month wait, plus the 3rd gen iPhone due to be out...well, interest is waning.
Is it now.. funny because they didn't announce it at their keynote

[decypher44]

Is it now.. funny because they didn't announce it at their keynote


Dude, what the hell are you going on about? Your posts have been nothing but attacks on people and your act is getting tired.

[NM08SRT8]

Dude, what the hell are you going on about? Your posts have been nothing but attacks on people and your act is getting tired.
Are you serious? I was just asking because they didn't announce any new iPhone in their Keynote. You need to chill out buddy, seriously. Stop trying to act like a forum macho, pushing people around. If you can't act like an adult and post constructive information, don't bother coming in here buddy.

[cwfluke]

Are you serious? I was just asking because they didn't announce any new iPhone in their Keynote. You need to chill out buddy, seriously. Stop trying to act like a forum macho, pushing people around. If you can't act like an adult and post constructive information, don't bother coming in here buddy.

We all know that acting like an adult and constructive information isn't a prerequisite for forum posting on sprintusers. Just check out the other SERO thread! :frustrate

I hope it doesn't require an everything plan because the phone looks to do everything I need a phone to do and I will certainly be an early adopter. If it does, then I'll be disappointed and will check back here to live vicariously through those that get to play with it. :indiff:

[decypher44]

Are you serious? I was just asking because they didn't announce any new iPhone in their Keynote. You need to chill out buddy, seriously. Stop trying to act like a forum macho, pushing people around. If you can't act like an adult and post constructive information, don't bother coming in here buddy.


Serious? Look at my posts. Then look at yours.

I do not consider myself macho, know-everything, blowhard...blah blah blah. You have been going at people in almost every thread...mostly concerning SERO.

Now, on to the iPhone comment, it is widely theorized that the 3rd gen iPhone would come out around June-July. No, there was nothing in the keynote at Macworld. Steve didn't even give it. It was the weakest keynote ever given by Apple. However, again, it is widely thought to have another iPhone model mid-year.

And, yes, laursifer, I know that there is an Apple thread. However, this is direct response to a question regarding my statement and how interest could wane as time goes on without any rease dates/price/availability of plan etc. :)

[decypher44]

And now that I've taken the time to review my OWN recent comments, I've come to see that I have gotten very defensive over the whole SERO subject. I will try to let it slide off my back when someone says something negative about it in the future.

[laursifer]

And, yes, laursifer, I know that there is an Apple thread. However, this is direct response to a question regarding my statement and how interest could wane as time goes on without any rease dates/price/availability of plan etc. :)

Go to jail, go directly to jail. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200 :p

You're good, don't worry about it hehe. Although since I'm on a clarify-myself roll today, I'll put this out there for people who have seen my numerous posts reminding others that we have specific threads for specific topics. I put those reminders out there for two reasons: a) to let people know about them in case they have not seen them and b) so that, if you want to discuss it in more detail, you can do that in the right thread so that most of the information relative to that topic stays in one place. I'm an organization FREAK, which you can tell from the way I re-title threads alone.

On that note, I re-title threads like crazy for a specific reason, too, and it's nothing against the OP's title decision (well, in most cases it isn't). Anyone who has used the forum's search feature knows it's not always helpful. However, every forum has a "Search This Forum" feature, and if you click on Advanced Search under that, you have the ability to search thread titles only. That way, at least in the Palm forums (since these are the only ones I have the time to monitor completely), finding the information you need is a lot easier by either just reading the thread titles or by searching by thread title. So, for those who weren't aware of those features or why threads are titled so specifically in this forum and the Palm OS forum, now ya know!

Lesson #462 from laursifer's moderation guidelines :tu:

[ScrapMaker]

First off, we don't know for sure that there is a 4-5 month delay... NOR do we know for sure if it requires SEP.

We also don't know anything about a 3rd-generation iPhone ;) but that does not mean that they won't be releasing one sometime soon.

My guess is that Apple will remain stubborn and not include the features people have been begging for since the first one...

[decypher44]

...

My guess is that Apple will remain stubborn and not include the features people have been begging for since the first one...


copypasta? :laughing:

[ScrapMaker]

copypasta? :laughing:

Honestly, it's not a matter of doing what their users want, or what makes sense... at this point, it would be admitting they were wrong...

Same with Picturemail...


both of which the Pre is supposed to do ;)

[NM08SRT8]

I don't think they will. 2.2.1 came out and it didn't even include the good ol' copy paste feature. Seriously, what's the delay? It's not hard to do, they just obviously don't want it in their device because they said they "feel it doesn't feel like something the iPhone needs". Not sure exactly where I read this, but I'm sure it was on EngadgetMobile when they talk about the updates.

[apuzilla]

so today i was having a problem with sprint and i called them up and i was speaking to a supervisor because of a case file that has been opened 3 weeks ago and no one had yet called me back to fix it ... regardless afterwards i was trying to get a BIS package for free no budging so i was talking to her about getting the palm pre, she tells me it will be released 3rd weekend of february, which we all already knew but i asked her about the data plan and she says if you already have unlimited data on your plan you dont need to switch plans which got me all giddy, please dont hate on me but im just telling you what i found out as of today

The lady i spoke to is a supervisor for the Orlando,FL calling center and her name is Diana and i have a employee number but i dont wanna give that out for privacy reasons. hopefully you guys will know something i dont know and i HOPE she is right and there will not be a special plan for the pre!

[d12a60n]

so today i was having a problem with sprint and i called them up and i was speaking to a supervisor because of a case file that has been opened 3 weeks ago and no one had yet called me back to fix it ... regardless afterwards i was trying to get a BIS package for free no budging so i was talking to her about getting the palm pre, she tells me it will be released 3rd weekend of february, which we all already knew but i asked her about the data plan and she says if you already have unlimited data on your plan you dont need to switch plans which got me all giddy, please dont hate on me but im just telling you what i found out as of today

The lady i spoke to is a supervisor for the Orlando,FL calling center and her name is Diana and i have a employee number but i dont wanna give that out for privacy reasons. hopefully you guys will know something i dont know and i HOPE she is right and there will not be a special plan for the pre!

Wow thanks for the info! I've been seeing a lot of posts about speculated release dates but the more I find about people talking to Sprint reps first hand - the more exciting it is to hear the Feb 15th date!! Let's continue to cross our fingers and hope she and the other Sprint reps aren't just playing a mean early April fools joke on us LOL

[TREOUSER755]

I'm so excited about the February release date! I hope it's not just a release date for certain markets. I can't wait to get my hands on one!! I want it soooo bad! :cool:

[laravia18]

I'm starting to think that Feb. 15 is the correct date. If so I will probably be getting this phone a month from now when I renew my contract.

Did anyone see the Pre on the front page of the Sprint website? I have seen it twice when I was going there to check out some info on my other phone.

[Dragonman]

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The Palm Treo Pro is launching 2-15. I SERIOUSLY doubt the Pre will launch the same day.

[ajac]

I love these when something is coming out threads lol I will laugh if its not till like july lol

[ilovetrains]

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The Palm Treo Pro is launching 2-15. I SERIOUSLY doubt the Pre will launch the same day.

Um - my local Sprint store has the Pro - I played with one last Friday over lunch.

[TREOUSER755]

so today i was having a problem with sprint and i called them up and i was speaking to a supervisor because of a case file that has been opened 3 weeks ago and no one had yet called me back to fix it ... regardless afterwards i was trying to get a BIS package for free no budging so i was talking to her about getting the palm pre, she tells me it will be released 3rd weekend of february, which we all already knew but i asked her about the data plan and she says if you already have unlimited data on your plan you dont need to switch plans which got me all giddy, please dont hate on me but im just telling you what i found out as of today

The lady i spoke to is a supervisor for the Orlando,FL calling center and her name is Diana and i have a employee number but i dont wanna give that out for privacy reasons. hopefully you guys will know something i dont know and i HOPE she is right and there will not be a special plan for the pre!

Sorry but this whole post is about the Palm Pro not the Pre! This really had my hopes up for like 5 mins...... :cool:

[ajac]

yeah local store here has the treo pro to so guess the launch date for the pre could be the 15th if the treo pro is already at best buy and sprint stores.

[laursifer]

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Yeah, if you check the WinMo forum, people have been seeing the Treo Pro for sale on the website as well, I believe. I've also heard others mention it being available in their local stores.



So, in theory, the February 15th date for the Palm Pre COULD be true. If so, they need to start marketing the Hell out of that bad boy fast. Create some freakin' mass-market hype for crying out loud. If there's anything that could be learned from the success of the iPhone in phone sales, it's the marketing that was being done to build that intense "I MUST HAVE IT NOW" feeling long before the release date. Of course, Apple could afford to do that... Palm, nyeh. Sprint, nyeh.

I really want this phone, but if it were to come out as soon as, what, 3 weeks from now?... That would make me really nervous. I just got the impression from the information given directly from official sources (basically, Palm--nothing at all from Sprint, really) that it's not ready yet. To fully test something that wasn't ready a couple weeks ago by February 15th, not to mention iron out the wrinkles, well that's just insanity.

[onetwothree]

The Treo Pro got pushed back to Feb 15, it was supposed to be released on the 25, but due to some issues it got pushed back. The reason why Sprint stores and Best Buy stores have them is like I said the release day got pused back at the last moment. In my opinion I dont think we will see the Pre till summer, I think we will see the Blood before we see the Pre. Just my two cents Also i am sure they will market this phone like the Instinct, I think Sprint is going to use this phone to bring back the customers that they lost due to the Iphone and the G1. So they will market the crap out of. Not to mention that Palm is counting on this phone to save the company.

[ManUtd7]

Just my two cents Also i am sure they will market this phone like the Instinct,

Good lord, I hope they don't advertise it like the Instinct. Those commercials are horrible. Whatever ad agency came up with the fake cheesy movie idea should never be used again.

[johnny hotsauce]

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Yeah, if you check the WinMo forum, people have been seeing the Treo Pro for sale on the website as well, I believe. I've also heard others mention it being available in their local stores.



So, in theory, the February 15th date for the Palm Pre COULD be true. If so, they need to start marketing the Hell out of that bad boy fast. Create some freakin' mass-market hype for crying out loud. If there's anything that could be learned from the success of the iPhone in phone sales, it's the marketing that was being done to build that intense "I MUST HAVE IT NOW" feeling long before the release date. Of course, Apple could afford to do that... Palm, nyeh. Sprint, nyeh.

I really want this phone, but if it were to come out as soon as, what, 3 weeks from now?... That would make me really nervous. I just got the impression from the information given directly from official sources (basically, Palm--nothing at all from Sprint, really) that it's not ready yet. To fully test something that wasn't ready a couple weeks ago by February 15th, not to mention iron out the wrinkles, well that's just insanity.

If this thing is coming as soon as 2/15 than we'd see some marketing by now or very soon. I guess we'll have to see if any of the rumors are true and we'll see a plug for the Pre on Super Bowl Sunday and if we do that might put to rest some of the "estimates" on the release date but if we don't see anything by then then I'm sure 2/15 will not be coming to light.

Just my opinion...

:Popcorn2:

[udratherbme]

Johnny Hot Sauce made a good and valid point.... Super Bowl Ads..... Wooo Hooo....

I noticed in the Best Buy Mobile guide they have the [B]PRO[B] listed for 249.99 w/ 2 Year contract, even though the web says 699.99 and Backorder....

[phrac]

What about the logistics of being available on February 15th?

At the CES show they said this is not the final version and that they are still working on it. That means they haven't actually manufactured the Pre's yet. Now I assume that these are manufactured overseas, in an Asian country? How long will it take to manufacture say, 200,000 units and then get them to the US by February 15th?

I'm just throwing that out there, I could be wrong. I suppose they could manufacture them early and then just update the firmware/software somehow?

[petehead]

I'm just throwing that out there, I could be wrong. I suppose they could manufacture them early and then just update the firmware/software somehow?

Exactly. I can't imagine that the hardware isn't final at this point.

[johnny hotsauce]

What about the logistics of being available on February 15th?

At the CES show they said this is not the final version and that they are still working on it. That means they haven't actually manufactured the Pre's yet. Now I assume that these are manufactured overseas, in an Asian country? How long will it take to manufacture say, 200,000 units and then get them to the US by February 15th?

I'm just throwing that out there, I could be wrong. I suppose they could manufacture them early and then just update the firmware/software somehow?

Exactly. I can't imagine that the hardware isn't final at this point.

Ahhh... Logistics, what I do for a living ;)

Great points folks! Now, there is a chance that the hardware could be produced and ready to go but most likely the OS isn't complete and ready to be loaded yet which could take a bit of time to flash all those units.

I agree, most likely they will be Shipping from Asia (probably China or Taiwan) and airfreighting them to the US isn't going to be cheap so they'll most likely go ocean freight which mean about 25 days on water plus the time it takes to clear customs (usually another 1-2 days) and then transit time to it's final destination (which can be another 5-15 days depending on if it goes by truck or rail) to either be a Palm or Sprint distribution center.

If these were to release by 2/15 there is a chance that Palm could airfreight the first load of these to fill initial orders and then ocean freight the rest but to be honest there's too many scenarios to go through but anything is possible in the logistics world it just all depends on how much a company is willing to pay to make it happen.

[yabo]

Ahhh... Logistics, what I do for a living ;)

Great points folks! Now, there is a chance that the hardware could be produced and ready to go but most likely the OS isn't complete and ready to be loaded yet which could take a bit of time to flash all those units.

I think you're totally right on all points save this one. It's a Cloud OS. it's on their servers, and any firmware can be updated OTA.

Physical limitations are really the only true time factor concern here, honestly.

[ajac]

This is probobly why only 200k of the phone will be available at first...ah well I wonder how many sprint stores will be getting calls on the 15th now

[cwfluke]

This is probobly why only 200k of the phone will be available at first...ah well I wonder how many sprint stores will be getting calls on the 15th now

I hope its the 15th, but seriously - nobody knows for sure, so for my money you'd be foolish to take a random Sprint rep's word for it. And even more foolish to take random internet forum dude's word for it.

[cwfluke]

I don't think they will. 2.2.1 came out and it didn't even include the good ol' copy paste feature. Seriously, what's the delay? It's not hard to do, they just obviously don't want it in their device because they said they "feel it doesn't feel like something the iPhone needs". Not sure exactly where I read this, but I'm sure it was on EngadgetMobile when they talk about the updates.

Personally I hope Apple never listens and doesn't include copy/paste or picturemail. I can't get the iPhone on Sprint so I'd just assume things exist on the iPhone that would drive me crazy if Sprint actually had it. Long live the Pre!!! (Assuming i can get it on that dirty four letter word of a plan). And if not, screw Apple anyway - competition is always good.......always!

[petehead]

And usually, there is more concrete info when you are less than 3 weeks from release. I'm not betting that it comes out in Feb. I'm waiting to see if they start the advertising blitz during the Superbowl (they really should) and to see what they show at Mobile World Congress (which starts the day after the purported 2/15 release date).

[Awake]

During a video interview one of the key Palm investors said webOS has been in development for 2 years, I am pretty sure they have the kinks worked out. In another video which was from CES a Palm official said applications were easy to write, he mentioned that Pandora was written in two days. I don't know if anyone caught it but during the keynote at one point they showed all the partners working with Palm on a big screen, those partners have developed native applications for the Pre. Apparently there were live devices in addition to demo devices at CES, a select few from the media were able to see the live version, I can't remember who but someone mentioned that Telenav and Amazon were awesome. Lastly, to my understand the 200,000 number was a figure Palm said it had if they were going to release it soon and that they could have bulk production in several months.

[yabo]

I hope its the 15th, but seriously - nobody knows for sure, so for my money you'd be foolish to take a random Sprint rep's word for it. And even more foolish to take random internet forum dude's word for it.

And more foolish still to assume hypothetical statements from random forum dude as fact :laughing:

Case in point:

This is probobly why only 200k of the phone will be available at first...ah well I wonder how many sprint stores will be getting calls on the 15th now

When the actual statement was:

How long will it take to manufacture say, 200,000 units and then get them to the US by February 15th?

:clap::haha::Popcorn2:

[ScrapMaker]

Personally I hope Apple never listens and doesn't include copy/paste or picturemail. I can't get the iPhone on Sprint so I'd just assume things exist on the iPhone that would drive me crazy if Sprint actually had it. Long live the Pre!!! (Assuming i can get it on that dirty four letter word of a plan). And if not, screw Apple anyway - competition is always good.......always!

Competition is great! -- and eventually, you will get a WebOS, or WM7 phone, or Android... probably just not while it's the "new hotness." On that 4-letter-plan, that is...

[Awake]

And usually, there is more concrete info when you are less than 3 weeks from release. I'm not betting that it comes out in Feb. I'm waiting to see if they start the advertising blitz during the Superbowl (they really should) and to see what they show at Mobile World Congress (which starts the day after the purported 2/15 release date).

Raise your hand if you knew about webOS and the Pre prior to CES!

It does not make any sense for Palm and Sprint to advertise the Pre as "coming soon" on their websites then release it over 5 months later. However, I agree there is no concrete evidence, that does not mean anything. Palm could ask the FCC for confidentiality.

To add what others have said launching an AD on Superbowl Sunday is the best chance Sprint and Palm have. If they do wait until summer to launch the Pre I think it is a huge mistake. There might be another iphone and I am sure a new G2 device.

[ManUtd7]

I hope its the 15th, but seriously - nobody knows for sure, so for my money you'd be foolish to take a random Sprint rep's word for it. And even more foolish to take random internet forum dude's word for it.

Quite right. There is even someone claiming to have called a Sprint rep who said "the first week of Feb." (in the comments under the "More Pre-licious release" entry).

Now this is PURE fantasy thinking on my part WITH NO TRACE OF FACTS to back it up. But........Several people have talked about how Palm could actually send the Pre through FCC approval under confidential conditions. Then there is speculation that Sprint and Palm might advertise it during the Superbowl (but CNN does not show Sprint or Palm as an advertiser in their business section preview of the ads) when millions will be watching. Now again this pure wishful thinking, but wouldn't be something if the Pre is already FCC approved under a confidentiality agreement, and they advertise during the Superbowl that it is available Feb. 2nd (the next day). What about the SDK not being released yet you say? Well the iPhone got along for over a year with no SDK for 3rd party programs. They could easily choose to release it along with the phone for 2 reasons:
1) It really is so easy to make programs for that don't believe there will be too much of a delay to have programs start flowing in (Palm keeps pointing to the Pandora 3 day thing); and
2) They want to keep lid on all the features not yet released to the public, and with the SDK 3rd party people would be able to fish out all these features pretty easily, leading to them being leaked out.

AGAIN THIS PURE "WISH-CASTING" ON MY PART. NONE OF IT IS BASED ON A SINGLE FACT. So please do not nail me up there on the cross and blast me with a flame thrower.

I can dream can't I? :laughing:

[cwfluke]

Palm could ask the FCC for confidentiality.

I actually read (on engadget I believe) that they DID ask for confidentiality so you won't hear anything until it is actually approved. I'm not sure how that works exactly though. Seems to me that asking for confidentiality would entail not wanting anyone to know even when/if it was actually approved.

[petehead]

Regarding the Superbowl, I just read this:

Sprint Nextel won’t be appearing during the game, but it has purchased some less expensive pregame spots.

Sprint spokesman David Mellin said the commercials will come “out of existing inventory,” which means “it’s safe to assume they’ll feature (CEO) Dan Hesse.”

source: http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/1000830.html

[cwfluke]

Competition is great! -- and eventually, you will get a WebOS, or WM7 phone, or Android... probably just not while it's the "new hotness." On that 4-letter-plan, that is...

Touche my friend.....touche. Its the new hotness that I, being the technology whore that I am, want and "need" however. Its amazing to me that my Q9C has lasted me as long as it has! The Diamond went back (can't deal without the physical keyboard) and I just didn't like the Pro. When I saw the CES news.....well - its the first time I actually entertained the idea of dropping that four-letter word plan if I was forced to.

[ScrapMaker]

Touche my friend.....touche. Its the new hotness that I, being the technology whore that I am, want and "need" however. Its amazing to me that my Q9C has lasted me as long as it has! The Diamond went back (can't deal without the physical keyboard) and I just didn't like the Pro. When I saw the CES news.....well - its the first time I actually entertained the idea of dropping that four-letter word plan if I was forced to.

Until the announcement of the Pre, I was torn up inside... I didn't want to leave Sprint, but I need a capable phone that is also cool... oh, and reliable...

The pro was two of those things, but not reliable, which was my biggest concern.

If there was no such thing as the Pre, I'd probably be picking up the Treo Pro.

[cxsandoval]

for what its worth.....I call sprint yesterday to fix an issue and asked the lady if she knew when the Pre was coming out...she let me know that it would be february...didn't have a price, but I asked her 3 times.

I think there was a bit of a language barrier, sounded like india :-) but she did say pre was coming out in february....hopefully she didn't mean "pro"...

[ilovetrains]

Is it possible to create an actual pre-production working unit that is currently running on the Sprint network without FCC approval for the device?

I only ask this because I have seen the pre-production unit, complete with "NOT FOR SALE" etched in the case.

I know auto manufacturers often make a pre-production of a car before they get the government crash rating.

[Darkflame808]

I don't think they can. I've noticed lately that whenever a new phone came out that they wanted to demo live but prior to getting FCC approval they always had wifi turned on. Within the phone is probably some type of software that makes the phone more of a voip style until they can get FCC approval.

I presume this because in the pre videos you can see the wifi icon and the bars were at full strength. I don't recall ever having a "perfect" signal while gamblng at the venician.

I dunno could just be repeaters but again that could tie into the possibility that they have a CDMA repeater that's tieing into a wan access point to funnel data to sprints network.

The Blueman Group loaded pretty fast in one of the videos. Cached or WIFI I don't know but if that was EVDO running then hell apple's safari might be overthrown as the "fastest" full featured mobile browser.

[d12a60n]

I actually read (on engadget I believe) that they DID ask for confidentiality so you won't hear anything until it is actually approved. I'm not sure how that works exactly though. Seems to me that asking for confidentiality would entail not wanting anyone to know even when/if it was actually approved.

When I used to work at a small video hardware company, there were a few local "labs" that were certified to do FCC testing. It is a long brutal process getting something to pass the standards, but once we did, we asked the folks at the certification lab to not make any of the documents public until we started shipping units because there were some pretty tight competitors back then. So we got our FCC documents in place (something about ULS etc etc) as well as and continued to manufacture units before we even started shipping. It's all timing - and yes it's about confidentiality and trying to stay ahead of the game from your competitors. :tu:

[Awake]

I don't think they can. I've noticed lately that whenever a new phone came out that they wanted to demo live but prior to getting FCC approval they always had wifi turned on. Within the phone is probably some type of software that makes the phone more of a voip style until they can get FCC approval.

I presume this because in the pre videos you can see the wifi icon and the bars were at full strength. I don't recall ever having a "perfect" signal while gamblng at the venician.

I dunno could just be repeaters but again that could tie into the possibility that they have a CDMA repeater that's tieing into a wan access point to funnel data to sprints network.

The Blueman Group loaded pretty fast in one of the videos. Cached or WIFI I don't know but if that was EVDO running then hell apple's safari might be overthrown as the "fastest" full featured mobile browser.

Some units were running WiFi some were on Rev-A. There is a video floating around of a unit running Rev-A.

[Park]

Wirelessly posted (Treo 755: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5G77 Safari/525.20)

I remember seeing a video where the guy got two phone calls while demoing the Pre--I think it was a phonedog review--wouldn't that mean that there are some working units out there?

Also, I was in my local Sprint store yesterday and when I asked one of the reps if she knew when the Pre was coming out she said that her store's rep was already testing a working Pre so it should be soon. She didn't give me a date though.

[Dragonman]

Wirelessly posted (Touch Diamond & ic902: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11) Sprint MP6950SP)

Sprint has an "advocate" program where a rep is chosen to train the team on devices. I was the Diamond advocate at my store.

There is a Treo Pro advocate and training on the Pro available. Sprint will definitely have this program for the Pre. There hasn't been a peep from Corporate yet about this.

I don't believe Sprint or Palm will allow this device to be released untill the training is comlete...I SERIOUSLY doubt the Pre will be released in Feb. I think there is confusion from reps due to the similarity between "Pro" and "Pre"

Anyone care to bet some $U?

I got $U1000 that says we will not see the Pre released anytime in Feb...Any takers?

[Awake]

New video, enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai6OM8ikeo0

Also, notice he says "sync with iTunes."

[kg4icg]

Time to nip this in the bud, before it get's out of hand. The Palm Treo Pro is getting realesed on the 15th of Feb. The Pre hasn't been certified by the FCC yet, So that means no one can buy it in the US until it is.

p.s.
my nick should kind of give people a clue when it comes to the FCC.
I'm licensed

[parazitu22]

New video, enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai6OM8ikeo0

Also, notice he says "sync with iTunes."

Nice vid! It just looks better and better every time i see it! Thanks for posting!

[Dragonman]

Wirelessly posted (Touch Diamond & ic902: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11) Sprint MP6950SP)

Time to nip this in the bud, before it get's out of hand. The Palm Treo Pro is getting realesed on the 15th of Feb. The Pre hasn't been certified by the FCC yet, So that means no one can buy it in the US until it is.

p.s.
my nick should kind of give people a clue when it comes to the FCC.
I'm licensed

I just said that 2 posts above yours

[cwfluke]

Time to nip this in the bud, before it get's out of hand. The Palm Treo Pro is getting realesed on the 15th of Feb. The Pre hasn't been certified by the FCC yet, So that means no one can buy it in the US until it is.

p.s.
my nick should kind of give people a clue when it comes to the FCC.
I'm licensed

Licensed for what, speculation?! :hee: I kid, I kid. But I'm pretty sure any company can request that the FCC keep the approval confidential until a certain date. It could have already been submitted and approved for all we know.

[tbot]

^^ I agree. I know with the original iPhone it was kept confidential by the FCC for a few months until Apple actually released the device! I don't see any reason at all that Palm isn't doing the same, especially the fact they have kept everything else with webOS under wraps for 2 or so years while its been in development!!!

[KTee]

Good lord, I hope they don't advertise it like the Instinct. Those commercials are horrible. Whatever ad agency came up with the fake cheesy movie idea should never be used again.

I hated those commercials too, but they did get a lot of attention... lol..

[Darkflame808]

I took back my touch pro today figured i'd just wait it out for the pre to arrive. I was talking to the sprint guy trying to get some info since everyone on here seems to have an insider working for them LOL!

Anyway the sprint guy said the same thing that everyone else has been saying.

When I asked "Any info on when the pre will come out?"
He replied "I've heard the 15th but I wouldn't hold your breath"
I asked "Why is that?"
He said "Because nothings set in stone as of yet. We're supposed to have the new blackberry curve already but our store hasn't seen it. Regarding the pre, my best guess is one day we'll just get a shipment of them without even expecting them. You can sign up on the sprint website to be notified but there's no guarantee we'll even have it then"

Ah well....It will arrive someday....I told him i'd be back when it did arrive...:)

[kg4icg]

It hasn't been certified yet. I hold a Amatuer Radio license so I do know how to look for certifications on radio devices on the FCC website. It hasn't been approved yet.

[tbot]

Unless its been requested by palm for confidentiality then it won't be available for anyone to see or search for on the FCC website. Its as simple as that. I'm sure if it were that easy to find even w/ some sort of confidentiality then with the amount of rumors regarding the iPhone someone would have found it and posted, yet there was nothing until it was announced and then on top of that, the documents weren't released until the day the phone was launched.

I highly doubt that if a company asked/payed for confidentiality that it would be that easy to find on the FCC website.

Not discrediting you, just my 2 cents.

[Awake]

It hasn't been certified yet. I hold a Amatuer Radio license so I do know how to look for certifications on radio devices on the FCC website. It hasn't been approved yet.

You may not find it, just like the 1st gen iphone the Pre might be under a confidentiality agree between Palm and the FCC. That being said, I have lost hope on the Pre being released next month, especially since my rep has zero info (so he says) and he is usually privy to all things new.

[kg4icg]

What you don't get is, when it get's approved it gets a certification number which as soon as the number is filed, it becomes a public record, and of course you will have to scour the pages and pages of pdf files on the FCC's website and have to know the case numbers of the certification review and testing to know what you are looking for. No one said it was easy to do.

[NM08SRT8]

What you don't get is, when it get's approved it gets a certification number which as soon as the number is filed, it becomes a public record, and of course you will have to scour the pages and pages of pdf files on the FCC's website and have to know the case numbers of the certification review and testing to know what you are looking for. No one said it was easy to do.
That's what Engadgetmobile's FCC Fridays are for, They find that for us, and you better believe, they will be looking out for this phone.

[tbot]

^^^aint that the friggin truth!!! lol

[ScrapMaker]

It's a shame they didn't find it :(

[d12a60n]

It's a shame they didn't find it :(

Someone's gotta know a mole. An insider at Palm/Sprint who would spill the beans. A janitor, window cleaner, receptionist, anyone who can casually sneak by the bigwigs to water that plant in the corner of the conference room :lol:

[tbot]

^^haha now you're just getting desperate here!!!

[ScrapMaker]

Too bad Sprint isn't hiring :(

[NM08SRT8]

Too bad Sprint isn't hiring :(
Cousin was working for a call center, just got laid off, as part of the 8,000 lucky people... call centers also being shut down too

[lookitsrobss]

:mad:

http://now.sprint.com/pre/

"requires activation on everything plan with data"

[NM08SRT8]

:) Hate to say I told you guys so.. Me and Scrap Maker always knew, right homeboy...?

On the bright side, now there won't be any confusion, or fussing.. well, maybe not fussing.

[MsRandall]

HEHE guess my hair stylist wont get this one on my account...lol

[laravia18]

This may sound dumb but if you have a family plan can you still get the phone? I really want this phone.

[ndnguy85]

so sprint wants me to dump my $50/1000mins power pack family plan...so i can use this phone?

ughhhhhhhh.

[YPG]

I wonder about employee account activation.

[rosinflux]

:mad:

http://now.sprint.com/pre/

"requires activation on everything plan with data"

If you look closely, the 'phone offer' requires activation on an everything plan. So this is probably referring to some rebate offer or special pricing. Right after it references a data charge without a data plan.

[the.traveller]

sigh.....when are the HTC devices coming again?

[laravia18]

At the bottom of the page right next to where it says you need an Everything plan it says "$0.03/kb charge applies without a data plan". So it seems like they are contradicting themselves when they say that an Everything plan is needed. That statement implies that you don't need an Everything plan (since data is included in that plan) to have the phone.

[Noseeums]

If you're going to get a phone with this much data capability then why WOULDN'T you get an Everything Data plan?

[laravia18]

If you're going to get a phone with this much data capability then why WOULDN'T you get an Everything Data plan?

Personally I have unlimited internet anyways but everyone has their reasons. I assume.

Besides, you don't need an Everything Data plan to have the internet. I can understand them wanting you to be subscribed to the internet to have the phone (even though I can see some people being mad at that as well) but not everyone needs an Everything Data plan.

[NM08SRT8]

If you're going to get a phone with this much data capability then why WOULDN'T you get an Everything Data plan?
No, You would want a data plan... At least

[laravia18]

No, You would want a data plan... At least

Exactly!

[goat03]

What they are trying to get at is people on plans like SERO, Sprint Employee Referral Offer plans won't be able to get this phone. I think we still will be able to get it though. If I remember correctly the Diamond page that Sprint had up before it came out had that same disclaimer at the bottom.

[lookitsrobss]

What they are trying to get at is people on plans like SERO, Sprint Employee Referral Offer plans won't be able to get this phone. I think we still will be able to get it though. If I remember correctly the Diamond page that Sprint had up before it came out had that same disclaimer at the bottom.

Well lets hope for the best! :D

[htowngator]

I'm assuming they will push SEP for new activations, and just make old customers sign up for a data plan if they didn't already have one.

[hierowing]

I don't need sprint TV, I don't need their GPS , I don't need a SEP, I guess I don't need a Pre. Epic fail for my family plan, I'm not changing my plan and it's not even great.

[ndnguy85]

Phone offer: While supplies last. Require's activation on an everything plan with data.
Data: A $0.03/KB charge applies without a data plan. Availability of service varies based on selected phone/network.
Other terms: The 3G Sprint mobile Broadband reaches ...

it seems like there will be an offer which will require you to activate on the everything plan..i am guessing it's a rebate or something.

on the other hand, instinct's page doesn't have the data charge part.

[decypher44]

Well, no PRE for me.

[cwfluke]

Well, no PRE for me.

Why?! There's no telling if it will required an SE plan or not. The fact that they even mention a cost associated with it if you DON'T have data is just an indication to me that they haven't yet decided. The two statements completely contradict themselves. There is no "news" as far as I'm concerned.

[decypher44]

Why?! There's no telling if it will required an SE plan or not. The fact that they even mention a cost associated with it if you DON'T have data is just an indication to me that they haven't yet decided. The two statements completely contradict themselves. There is no "news" as far as I'm concerned.

Well, my feeling is that Sprint will keep moving towards this:

In-demand smartphones will require SEP
Lower-demand smartphones and dumbphones will not

[cwfluke]

Well, my feeling is that Sprint will keep moving towards this:

In-demand smartphones will require SEP
Lower-demand smartphones and dumbphones will not

You don't consider the HTC Diamond and Pro "high demand"?! There was quite the buzz about those when they were getting ready to be released.

[ScrapMaker]

You don't consider the HTC Diamond and Pro "high demand"?! There was quite the buzz about those when they were getting ready to be released.

Not after everyone had problemse with their Pros/Diamonds...

Could have been amazing--but. epic. fail.

[cwfluke]

Not after everyone had problemse with their Pros/Diamonds...

Could have been amazing--but. epic. fail.

Yeah but that was AFTER the decision not to require a SE plan for them, was it not?

[ndnguy85]

Why?! There's no telling if it will required an SE plan or not. The fact that they even mention a cost associated with it if you DON'T have data is just an indication to me that they haven't yet decided. The two statements completely contradict themselves. There is no "news" as far as I'm concerned.

exactly. there's no need for the data pricing disclaimer if it required a plan with data.

sprint's gonna try to lure people to the everything plans by giving them an offer.

[Web]

This phone also has wifi, like the iphone.

More than 80% of my data on my iphone is over wifi.So if I were to get this... my data habits would probably follow through... I see no need for an everything plan.. but just enough for the 20%...which my current data plan should cover.

It would be a shame to turn people away from a great phone over a little greed in making everyone sign up for an account that is overkill to them. I'll never consider paying for gps or tv... it's a phone!! ....with benefits...:)

My iphone lock in will be up in 6 months... hopefully I'll be keeping the Pre and dumping Apple, but not by paying more for service...

[ScrapMaker]

Yeah but that was AFTER the decision not to require a SE plan for them, was it not?

No. The Diamond and Pro had horrific problems the day they were released.

[ndnguy85]

No. The Diamond and Pro had horrific problems the day they were released.

you are missing the point. sprint decided BEFOOORE the release that it didnt need a everything plan. it was totally unrelated to the problems it had since day 1.

[cwfluke]

My iphone lock in will be up in 6 months... hopefully I'll be keeping the Pre and dumping Apple, but not by paying more for service...

I can pretty much guarantee that you'll be paying less with Sprints everything plans than you are paying for your iPhone plan right now!!!

[Web]

I pay $ 66.55 with taxes..for ATT. Sprint starts here at $ 70.00 then add the taxes.. so maybe $ 10.00 more... Why I have 2 now... Sprints works everywhere here, ATT's bad.....

[cwfluke]

I pay $ 66.55 with taxes..for ATT. Sprint starts here at $ 70.00 then add the taxes.. so maybe $ 10.00 more... Why I have 2 now... Sprints works everywhere here, ATT's bad.....

Well there you go - I've certainly been wrong before! :)

Most of the people I know on AT&T especially with an iPhone pay much more than $66 a month.

[ScrapMaker]

Well there you go - I've certainly been wrong before! :)

Most of the people I know on AT&T especially with an iPhone pay much more than $66 a month.

Yeah, they pay closer to $100. He must be getting a discount.

[Web]

No, no discount... plan is 59.99 +taxes
I paid more for the original iphone, so less than the 2nd version people pay, who paid less for the phone but more for the plan.

[ScrapMaker]

No, no discount... plan is 59.99 +taxes
I paid more for the original iphone, so less than the 2nd version people pay, who paid less for the phone but more for the plan.

You're getting a HELL of a deal then...

Shopping Cart Save Cart Empty Cart
Line 1 Assign Name Duplicate Line Remove Line

Assign/Edit Name
First Name MI Last Name

New Line Information
ZIP Code

New Service:AUSTIN, TX 78741 One-time Monthly
Phone/Device: iPhone 3G - 8GB Black Change $199.00
Accessories: Add Accessories
Voice Plan: Nation Unlimited $99.99 Change $99.99
Data Add-On Plan: Change Enterprise Data Plan for iPhone
Service Discount $45.00
-$4.50
Features: Change

iPhone Text Messaging Unlimited Remove

$20.00
Sub-Totals One-Time Activation Fee (Included on Your First Bill): $36.00
Sub-Total (One Time): $235.00
Sub-Total (Monthly): $160.49
Summary Total One-Time Charges*: $235.00
Total Monthly Charges**: $160.49

What's funny is I pay $99 with Sprint, and I also get GPS, NFL, Nascar, SprintTV, etc...

[ndnguy85]

he is getting the cheapest original plan.

http://images.appleinsider.com/att-iphone-compare-080701-1.png

sprint's everything plan with 450 mins for 70 has a lot more in it. so i dont see how u can compare an ancient 60 dollar iphone plan.

[ScrapMaker]

he is getting the cheapest original plan.
sprint's everything plan with 450 mins for 70 has a lot more in it. so i dont see how u can compare an ancient 60 dollar iphone plan.

gotcha

[ericmn1]

Not after everyone had problemse with their Pros/Diamonds...

Could have been amazing--but. epic. fail.

People throw the term "epic fail" around way to much these days. I have a Touch Pro and I got it within days of it being released and while its not perfect it works very well. A few of my friends and family have the Pro as well and they all seem to enjoy their phone. Not "everyone" had problems that is a gross exaggeration and generalization.

[ScrapMaker]

People throw the term "epic fail" around way to much these days. I have a Touch Pro and I got it within days of it being released and while its not perfect it works very well. A few of my friends and family have the Pro as well and they all seem to enjoy their phone. Not "everyone" had problems that is a gross exaggeration and generalization.

Overall failure:

-Many of them had hardware defects
- Creaking battery cover
- Flaking chrome
- Hardware buttons raised/falling off
- Keyboard slider has wide variety of issues
- Keyboard backlight is mostly very uneven (some have a good one.)

-Screen issues
- Much less sensitive around the edges than the center
- Even in the center, still no where near as sensitive as the Touch
- MANY people are reporting there screen to look 'oily' in the center after a month or so of use

-Performance issues
- Out-of-the-box, it had performance issues
- Not THAT much of an increase over older phones like the Touch and the Mogul
- GPS is VERY LAGGY. Falls behind by up to 5 seconds many times
- Camera is garbage, compared to even other HTC devices. Especially with motion, or anything less than a picture taken while walking on the sun...

-Overheating issues
- Phone overheats during phone calls or data usage lasting longer than 30 minutes, causing the battery to start draining, even though it's on the damn charger
- Back cover got to ridiculously-hot temperatures because of this. Very uncomfortable to hold for any 30+ minute calls.
- After 1 hour phone call, on charger, starting at 100%, it could be as low as 60-70% battery.
- After 2 hours on the phone, you can down to 20-40%.

"Not perfect," is putting it very nice. I am glad you and your friends like it, but it's easily the most problem-plagued HTC product ever made. I tried for 2 months, and went through 6 of them, finding glaring defects on each, before I gave up--and I'm glad I did, because I would have killed myself if I knew I blew my chance on the Pre.

[ericmn1]

Overall failure:
it's easily the most problem-plagued HTC product ever made.

Besides your opinion and bad experience with the phone do you have any actual quality data from HTC or Sprint showing the return or defect rates being any higher on the Pro or Diamond then other HTC phones?

[cwfluke]

Besides your opinion and bad experience with the phone do you have any actual quality data from HTC or Sprint showing the return or defect rates being any higher on the Pro or Diamond then other HTC phones?

I can't speak to the Touch Pro but I liked my Diamond a lot. I thought the screen was very bright and sharp, the web was very easy to use, it did everything I needed it to do and was very customizable. I could not type on the virtual keyboard though, hence it had to go back. Something about the Pro I never liked. Not sure if it was the chrome or the thickness or what. It felt kind of cheap in my hands, especially when sliding. The Diamond however, was a very nice phone - in my opinion anyway. If I didn't email all the time and text alot, I'd still have it. And then I wouldn't be preoccupied with the stupid Pre and trying to figure out if it will be worth a damn or if it will be out before September. :frustrate:

[ScrapMaker]

Besides your opinion and bad experience with the phone do you have any actual quality data from HTC or Sprint showing the return or defect rates being any higher on the Pro or Diamond then other HTC phones?

Are you being serious? Next time you are in your Sprint store, ask the reps how many returns they had on the Pro... I'm sure it's died down a bit, but there are so many people that have taken theirs back, either permanently, or just to keep exchanging it until they get a decent one that works.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=51299

I can't speak to the Touch Pro but I liked my Diamond a lot. I thought the screen was very bright and sharp, the web was very easy to use, it did everything I needed it to do and was very customizable. I could not type on the virtual keyboard though, hence it had to go back. Something about the Pro I never liked. Not sure if it was the chrome or the thickness or what. It felt kind of cheap in my hands, especially when sliding. The Diamond however, was a very nice phone - in my opinion anyway. If I didn't email all the time and text alot, I'd still have it. And then I wouldn't be preoccupied with the stupid Pre and trying to figure out if it will be worth a damn or if it will be out before September. :frustrate:

The reason I couldn't type on the Diamond very well was because the screen sensitivity was very poor around the edges--same as the Pro, as well as the Omnia, (probably other phones as well.) This caused issues when trying to type around the sides of the keyboard, or hitting critical funtions of Windows Mobile.

The obvious solution was to just use the hardware keyboard, but I'll be damned before I open the keyboard, wait 2-3 seconds for it to refresh, type "okay," then close, wait 2-3 more seconds, then hit send. No freakin' way.

If the Pro didn't overheat or have the screen issues, I'd probably have one on my desk, and I wouldn't be getting the Pre. It would be a sad, sad year for me.

[Jaggrey]

Ok let's get back to the topic of the PRE and whether or not it requires an Everything Plan.

[petehead]

Ok let's get back to the topic of the PRE and whether or not it requires an Everything Plan.

Ha Ha! Every other thread gets turned into a discussion on SERO/Everything Plan (eg: http://sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182685) but somehow this thread meant for that purpose is turning into a diamond/pro/WM bashing thread!

[Jaggrey]

and that's exactly what I was trying to turn it away from. There are enough threads dedicated to that.

[ScrapMaker]

I was defending Windows Mobile! ;)

[petehead]

Well, on the subject of the Touch Diamond/Pro, people said that the reason that they didn't require an everything plan was, in part, due to their business user target market and the fact that corporate plans are not the same as everything plans. Palms have typically been aimed at business users so I wonder how Sprint will reconcile this with the Pre since they seem to be plopping themselves square in the middle of business and consumer.

[NM08SRT8]

Well you know how wording is everything, when you're trying to explain something... I noticed something "interesting" if you will, about the wording used to describe what plans were required. Here's what I mean;

"...While Supplies last. Requires Activation on an Simply Everything Plan with Data"

Now isn't the SEP plans supposed to come with data, hence their name?

Also, I read from somewhere that it said, "Requires activation on an Simply Everything Plan with Data, or Simply Everythign/ Family Plan"

I'm trying to find where I read that.

[ScrapMaker]

To answer the question regarding this thread. No, you do not need a 'Simply' Everything Plan

You only need an 'Everything' Plan.

Even the SERO Everything plan will work, at $59.99 a month.

[devastor]

I'm not changing my plan, even if it is for the Pre.

[ScrapMaker]

I'm not changing my plan, even if it is for the Pre.

Most likely you will have to at least upgrade to the $59.99 plan--or no Pre :(

[Jaggrey]

that stinks... no pre for me either if it requires a plan change

[diveborg]

I'm not changing my plan, even if it is for the Pre.

Me either.

[cwfluke]

Me either.

Nor are the 93+ other people that voted in the other thread about SERO and changing plans vs. getting the Pre.

[ScrapMaker]

Nor are the 93+ other people that voted in the other thread about SERO and changing plans vs. getting the Pre.

I don't believe that. Once the phone comes out, I bet a few of them will waiver, and get the Pre.

if not, a lot of them.

[the.traveller]

I don't believe that. Once the phone comes out, I bet a few of them will waiver, and get the Pre.

if not, a lot of them.

And a few of the people (if not a lot of them) that said they would, wont. So i guess it'll stay around about 90% of people won't change their plan.

[ScrapMaker]

And a few of the people (if not a lot of them) that said they would, wont. So i guess it'll stay around about 90% of people won't change their plan.

Yeah that's about right...

Those who bail on their beliefs will hopefully have the cajones to admit it... but I doubt it.

[BTSmith]

Sprint itself could waiver.

After the introduction fo the Instinct they they intended to to require everything or full paid data plans per line on any pda. The rebates were changed to reflect this, then they relented.

So both the users and Sprint will bary depending on demand and competition, and in fact on Supply.

If there are shortage of Pre through mid summer and high demand, sprint can stick to its guns. If there is a shortfall in sales a tapering of sales after apple brings out its new iphoen announcements or pricing changes then sprint may relent.

but Sprint is not in the business of selling phones, they are int eh business of selling plans. Sprint looks at the Pre as a vehicle to sell higher ARPU plans. Only people who did not watch the Pre lacuch have thought they weren't going to use it to upsell to Everything, as Hesse said "ARPU" and "Evertying Plans" wihtin the first 30 secondos of his speil at the Pre launch.

Sero was a viral marketing campaign that solved one problem (low gross numbers) and created another one (lowest ARPU (revenue per user) in the industry.

[cwfluke]

but Sprint is not in the business of selling phones, they are int eh business of selling plans. Sprint looks at the Pre as a vehicle to sell higher ARPU plans. Only people who did not watch the Pre lacuch have thought they weren't going to use it to upsell to Everything, as Hesse said "ARPU" and "Evertying Plans" wihtin the first 30 secondos of his speil at the Pre launch.

And Palm is in the business of selling phones. You think all the business customers that don't have some sort of everything plan, Palm isn't going to want to capture?! Palm may be worse off than Sprint is and in this instance, perhaps has the upper hand with the "sweetness" of the Pre itself. Not that it matters one iota. Its all conjecture - just like the release date. Doesn't matter - until July or whenever the thing comes out.

[GolpherZX]

Toss this one out there - I don't recall reading it anywhere in the threads, but it could be out there. Does it require any one of the three everything plans? Perhaps the phone will just require the basic 450 minute everything plan?? Just one thought out there. Yes, there is the simply everything plan that includes unlimited everything too.....

[Noseeums]

The way I read it you could purchase the Pre with an Everything Data plan with 450 or 900 minutes with free nights starting at 7pm and free weekends. I am planning on doing the Everything Data with 900 minutes and I have discount through my employer that cuts 25% off Sprint plans so it should be something like $67/month.... unless of course Everything plans don't allow the discounts. Then I may just be sticking with my current carrier and forgeting all about this annoying Pre itch. I can live with my sturdy flip phone, surperior verizon voice coverage, and continue hauling a laptop around with me if I have to.

Sure this is new, innovative, exciting, and all that other perceived value garbage that allows other companies like Apple to overcharge for the iPhone and the rest of their products. I really like what I've read and seen of the Palm Pre, but I'm not a sucker and I won't be paying out the rear-end for it.

[ScrapMaker]

Toss this one out there - I don't recall reading it anywhere in the threads, but it could be out there. Does it require any one of the three everything plans? Perhaps the phone will just require the basic 450 minute everything plan?? Just one thought out there. Yes, there is the simply everything plan that includes unlimited everything too.....

Yes. You can probably use the SERO Everything plan as well.

[KingCoop]

The way I read it you could purchase the Pre with an Everything Data plan with 450 or 900 minutes with free nights starting at 7pm and free weekends. I am planning on doing the Everything Data with 900 minutes and I have discount through my employer that cuts 25% off Sprint plans so it should be something like $67/month.... unless of course Everything plans don't allow the discounts. Then I may just be sticking with my current carrier and forgeting all about this annoying Pre itch. I can live with my sturdy flip phone, surperior verizon voice coverage, and continue hauling a laptop around with me if I have to.

Sure this is new, innovative, exciting, and all that other perceived value garbage that allows other companies like Apple to overcharge for the iPhone and the rest of their products. I really like what I've read and seen of the Palm Pre, but I'm not a sucker and I won't be paying out the rear-end for it.

You can discount the normal consumer Everything Data plans at $69.99 and $89.99. You can NOT discount the new referral offer Everything Data plans that start at $59.99. Better option to go with the normal consumer plans and use the 20+ percent discounts to drop the prices lower than the referral offer plans.

I personally will not be getting a Pre as I do not see paying more for a single standalone plan than I do for 6 lines on a family plan that has all the necessary features to be able to run the device. My plan is capable for the Pre, but according to Sprint my wallet isn't. :lol:

[KingCoop]

Toss this one out there - I don't recall reading it anywhere in the threads, but it could be out there. Does it require any one of the three everything plans? Perhaps the phone will just require the basic 450 minute everything plan?? Just one thought out there. Yes, there is the simply everything plan that includes unlimited everything too.....

Just like the Instinct, you can start with the $69.99 plan and move up to your liking. If you have a referral type account you can start with the $59.99 plan and go up from there.

From now on, unless told otherwise by Sprint, I will expect that all the new pda/smartphone devices that are of high demand will require a plan change to the Everything plans. Another member of the forum was discussing with me and we are thinking that with this new Sprint that whenever the next new BlackBerry is released on Sprint, it too will require an Everything plan.

[mig3298]

I've been waiting for a new Palm phone since my Treo 650 which I got in early 2004. I have a great plan that gives me everything I need and I just can't justify upgrading to a new phone that will require me to change my plan and rate for the same type of use.

If I have to change my plan then I'll just go to Verizon which has better coverage in my area anyway. If not, I'll just get an iPhone.

[dannyboy73]

From now on, unless told otherwise by Sprint, I will expect that all the new pda/smartphone devices that are of high demand will require a plan change to the Everything plans. Another member of the forum was discussing with me and we are thinking that with this new Sprint that whenever the next new BlackBerry is released on Sprint, it too will require an Everything plan.

I am actually thinking that they'll leave the blackberry plans exactly where they are. Only because technically, those plans already start at $30 for the full BIS. So that's pretty much the same cost as a $60 simply everything plan ($30 plan for minutes + $30 for BIS). I'm also assuming that the free BIS loophole is closed at some point soon.

[NM08SRT8]

RIM is the one who sets the price for their BES and BIS service. Sprint won't require blackberries to go on SEP plans.

[AmeriKenny]

If I had the power to do so (or if I was a moderator) I would post the following reply to this thread and then lock it forever:
Requires activation on an Everything Plan with data.

Source:

http://now.sprint.com/pre/?id12=iSearch_MA_010809_Pre

[ScrapMaker]

If I had the power to do so (or if I was a moderator) I would post the following reply to this thread and then lock it forever:
Requires activation on an Everything Plan with data.

Source:

http://now.sprint.com/pre/?id12=iSearch_MA_010809_Pre

lock it down, for the love of God

[NM08SRT8]

lol, Indeed..

[Noseeums]

Take a look at this from Sprint's point of view. All the complaining, blogging, emailing Sprint, and multi page rants that you are angry the Simply Everything plan is required is just telling Sprint one thing. You want the Pre. You want it bad. And I bet 9 out of 10 of you complaining will get it anyway.

If this phone is really as nice as it appears to be the Sprint Everything plans are still leaps and bounds cheaper than it's competition at AT&T. Not to mention Sprint's data network is much faster and CDMA is a superior technology.

So you can either continue to let us all know about your "complete dismay and dissatisfaction at this latest atrocity!" or you can just chill out because you know you're getting it anyway. Why kick and scream the whole way?

[ScrapMaker]

Take a look at this from Sprint's point of view. All the complaining, blogging, emailing Sprint, and multi page rants that you are angry the Simply Everything plan is required is just telling Sprint one thing. You want the Pre. You want it bad. And I bet 9 out of 10 of you complaining will get it anyway.

If this phone is really as nice as it appears to be the Sprint Everything plans are still leaps and bounds cheaper than it's competition at AT&T. Not to mention Sprint's data network is much faster and CDMA is a superior technology.

So you can either continue to let us all know about your "complete dismay and dissatisfaction at this latest atrocity!" or you can just chill out because you know you're getting it anyway. Why kick and scream the whole way?


I assume that was directed to everyone besides sammy and I?

[cwfluke]

:laughing: :haha: :laughing: :haha:

This thread was a month old and for all intensive purposes.......DEAD. Those of you that like to poke at the SERO and non everything plan holders and that are (for some reason) happy about the PRE requiring an Everything plan are the ones who resurrected it. Follow your own advice, STFU, and it might......just MIGHT go away. :tu: Fact is......you all LIKE to argue and bicker and spew and die to prove people wrong. Its quite amazing.

[SnowDaddyO]

Seriously coming from a long time subscriber (of 9 years)... 2 LINES, F&F 1000 AT, 7PM N/W, POWER VISION, ROAMING, PCS-TO-PCS, 500 SMS, FIMF LINE 1, AIRAVE, 22% EVP - all under $50, including taxes... If I had wanted a phone that badly at any cost, I might as well have switched to AT&T a year ago.

[ScrapMaker]

Seriously coming from a long time subscriber (of 9 years)... 2 LINES, F&F 1000 AT, 7PM N/W, POWER VISION, ROAMING, PCS-TO-PCS, 500 SMS, FIMF LINE 1, AIRAVE, 22% EVP - all under $50, including taxes... If I had wanted a phone that badly at any cost, I might as well have switched to AT&T a year ago.

Cheers to your really great deal, but it's about time Sprint puts out a phone that actually attracts customers that they make more money on.

So far as I have heard, Sprint has no plans to make anyone leave SERO or any older plans.

and yes, this thread is/has been dead.

[grrrrrrr]

:laughing: :haha: :laughing: :haha:

This thread was a month old and for all intensive purposes.......DEAD. Those of you that like to poke at the SERO and non everything plan holders and that are (for some reason) happy about the PRE requiring an Everything plan are the ones who resurrected it. Follow your own advice, STFU, and it might......just MIGHT go away. :tu: Fact is......you all LIKE to argue and bicker and spew and die to prove people wrong. Its quite amazing.

QFT.

[bals13]

I have been watching the Pre stuff and I think you guys are crazy. The web video just tells people about the everything plans, but they say that the phone will need a UNLIMITED DATA option. People will need to get that option to get the Pre. Thats it. Why would someone want the phone just to dial out and get calls? My 2 cents.

[ScrapMaker]

What's funny is that all the non-SERO people have been saying is stuff that is pretty much common sense, and widely available from Pre conception. No one should really be surprised that Everything plans will be required.

No one.

QFT! QFT! QFT!


off-topic:

BTW, FYI, IMHO, internet abbreviations are annoying. I think they are going overboard. You can abbreviate everything. When will this non-sense stop?

[cwfluke]

I have been watching the Pre stuff and I think you guys are crazy. The web video just tells people about the everything plans, but they say that the phone will need a UNLIMITED DATA option. People will need to get that option to get the Pre. Thats it. Why would someone want the phone just to dial out and get calls? My 2 cents.

Truth is - nobody knows. Its all spewing....by all parties involved. They talk about the everything plans because in order to get data on your plan NOW....you have to get an Everything plan. But they never say you can't activate it on a plan that's NOT an everything plan but has unlimited data. Nobody will know until the phone is released....which is the REAL reason this thread should be closed. Not because some dude quotes a Sprint webpage that COMPLETELY contradicts itself in back to back sentences.

[Zeeshan]

if at&t was successful in getting people to switch over to their service, and people that were already with at&t to upgrade to more expensive plans, just for the iphone, i think sprint can pull off the same task with the pre.

so really, it makes sense businesswise. if you want the premium phone, pay the premium price...otherwise STFU.

[decypher44]

if at&t was successful in getting people to switch over to their service, and people that were already with at&t to upgrade to more expensive plans, just for the iphone, i think sprint can pull off the same task with the pre.

so really, it makes sense businesswise. if you want the premium phone, pay the premium price...otherwise STFU.

Apple and Palm are not in the same league when it comes to branding and customer fanaticism. You can NOT compare ATT/iPhone with Sprint/Pre. You just can't.

[cwfluke]

if at&t was successful in getting people to switch over to their service, and people that were already with at&t to upgrade to more expensive plans, just for the iphone, i think sprint can pull off the same task with the pre.

so really, it makes sense businesswise. if you want the premium phone, pay the premium price...otherwise STFU.

:haha: Because the Pre will sell as well as the iPhone did? Or because there's that HUGE Palm following that would buy a Pre because they love the computers that Palm makes?! Or is it because Palm is almost bankrupt? Or because the Pre has been advertised so much?! Or....I got it.....because our general economic situation in this country is so much better than it was 2 years ago at this time!!!!! :realitych

spew spew spew :lol:

[NM08SRT8]

:haha: Because the Pre will sell as well as the iPhone did? Or because there's that HUGE Palm following that would buy a Pre because they love the computers that Palm makes?! Or is it because Palm is almost bankrupt? Or because the Pre has been advertised so much?! Or....I got it.....because our general economic situation in this country is so much better than it was 2 years ago at this time!!!!! :realitych

spew spew spew :lol:
Dude, iPhone wasn't even advertised for anything before it came out.. let the damn phone release before you start right away "predicting" the future of the device. Just chill.. I'll be damned if you kids get my thread closed down because you don't know how to act like adults and discuss this in a civil manner. Seriously.. Please.

[cwfluke]

Dude, iPhone wasn't even advertised for anything before it came out.. let the damn phone release before you start right away "predicting" the future of the device. Just chill.. I'll be damned if you kids get my thread closed down because you don't know how to act like adults and discuss this in a civil manner. Seriously.. Please.

1) I didn't say the iPhone was advertised - but the release date was made known WELL in advance. 2) No need to swear 3) I'm not "predicting the future" of the device, I just think its ignorant to assume it will be as successful as the iPhone was and most importantly D)

lock it down, for the love of God

lol, Indeed..

Thought you wanted it shut down? :wavey:

[ScrapMaker]

I don't see why you can't compare the Pre (tentatively,) to the iPhone when it was released. Both innovated on many fronts, and you can argue that Sprint has better 3G coverage.

Personally, I think CDMA sounds better, even for voice calls, than GSM. I am repeatedly disappointed by other carriers when I borrow a friend's phone.

So, carrier-to-carrier, and phone-to-phone, I honestly don't see why they cannot be compared.

When the iPhone was released, they required their excessive plan, and people paid it, from the start. Even when people complained of issues--because it was the new hotness.


The only aspect that the iPhone has an edge in, these days, would appear to be the "app store." Which I'm not exactly sure just how valuable fart/beer applications REALLY are, but I am willing to be corrected.

[NM08SRT8]

So CW, you don't find it ignorant that you're assuming that the phone WON'T be as successful as the iPhone? I mean, I don't ever think any phone will because of the bling factor Apple has sunk into everyones heads. When I think Apple, I think; Overpriced stuff..

I think they are one of the only companies, next to Sony, that can charge up the booty-tang just for the name.

[ScrapMaker]

So CW, you don't find it ignorant that you're assuming that the phone WON'T be as successful as the iPhone? I mean, I don't ever think any phone will because of the bling factor Apple has sunk into everyones heads. When I think Apple, I think; Overpriced stuff..

I think they are one of the only companies, next to Sony, that can charge up the booty-tang just for the name.

Bose - "Better Sound Through Research"
Monster Cable - "It's worth it."
BMW - "Ultimate Driving Machine"

99% of anything between "prosumer" and "ultra-high-end" is just paying for the name.

Then you also find garbage like the iPod shuffle that still someone costs $99, without a screen, and no controls. That's reverse-name-dropping. Like where Sony puts out a garbage CD deck that's rivaling a Wal-Mart unit in features, yet selling for twice the price.

[trainp01]

Question and if someone can answer for me. Here is my situation, I have an older family plan. If I and only I wanted the Pre, I would have to either 1) change all my line to the new everything family plans OR 2) add a new separate single line (account)??????? Is that correct?

Would this same rule apply if I was in the same boat on AT&T wanting the iphone?

[NM08SRT8]

Bose - "Better Sound Through Research"
Monster Cable - "It's worth it."
BMW - "Ultimate Driving Machine"

99% of anything between "prosumer" and "ultra-high-end" is just paying for the name.

Then you also find garbage like the iPod shuffle that still someone costs $99, without a screen, and no controls. That's reverse-name-dropping. Like where Sony puts out a garbage CD deck that's rivaling a Wal-Mart unit in features, yet selling for twice the price.
ooooh yeah. Monster cable. Hahaha, They have a $99 8' HDMI cable, and there's a local place that makes the same exact cable (even has one of those cables opened up so you can see the comparison from their cable to the Monster Cable version), and can make you a 200' cable for that same price, same quality lol.

[NM08SRT8]

Question and if someone can answer for me. Here is my situation, I have an older family plan. If I and only I wanted the Pre, I would have to either 1) change all my line to the new everything family plans OR 2) add a new separate single line (account)??????? Is that correct?

Would this same rule apply if I was in the same boat on AT&T wanting the iphone?
Well hopefully you will just need an Unl data plan. But if they require an everything plan with data (which they've said) then you're out of luck with your current plan. With att, existing customers just need the $30 iPhone data pack for the new 3G, or $20 for the older 2G (1st gen) iPhone. You figure, for 900 mins, nights and weekends starting at 7pm, iPhone data plan, and NO INSURANCE, you're paying about $140ish per line. So Still, You'll save more with Sprint and the pre, vs the competitor.