[Pre] Problem: Typing When in Landscape Mode?

[AmeriKenny]

A big problem that Palm is going to face when it comes to competing with the iPhone is the keyboard. It's great the way it is, but what do you have when you turn the phone sideways into "landscape" mode? That keyboard you had been using when you had the phone upright is now turned sideways! Did Palm even think about this? Or every time you are using the web or whatever and you want to type something you MUST turn it vertically so that you can use the keyboard? :fingers:

[zuberx6]

Hard to surf the web with the keyboard being verticle eh? I didn't think of that either. Scroll wheel to the rescue

[jonnythan]

I don't think palm is going for any sort of landscape use on this phone.

[SomeKid949]

There is also a software keyboard, I would just use that. I know this because Palm plans on releasing a "non slider" one for a cheaper price, look it up. But it wouldnt really bother me, I would just use software most of the time.

[Emanon]

How have Treo and Blackberry users survived?

[Noodle]

Wirelessly posted (Noodle's Phone: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320))

How have Treo and Blackberry users survived?

LOL, I mean there must be a huge recall of Touch Pro's due to the fact with the keyboard slid out you can't use it in portrait mode.

[ZiggyZ]

Wirelessly posted (HTC Touch Pro: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11) Sprint PPC6850SP)

A big problem that Palm is going to face when it comes to competing with the iPhone is the keyboard. It's great the way it is, but what do you have when you turn the phone sideways into "landscape" mode? That keyboard you had been using when you had the phone upright is now turned sideways! Did Palm even think about this? Or every time you are using the web or whatever and you want to type something you MUST turn it vertically so that you can use the keyboard? :fingers:

do you have the handset or something? when is the handset due out?

[TheJuanJuice]

Nah, there will be a soft keybord, if you want one. dont forget that Palm is going to have an open OS, so developers wont have to jump throught hoops to write software, like they do for the iPhone.

dose the iphone have a landscape keybord?

[AmeriKenny]

Nah, there will be a soft keybord, if you want one. dont forget that Palm is going to have an open OS, so developers wont have to jump throught hoops to write software, like they do for the iPhone.
I sure hope there is a landscape keyboard. When you say soft, do you mean an onscreen landscape touch keyboard?

dose the iphone have a landscape keybord?
Oh yes it does. I have played with probably about at least 5 iPhones and 1 iPod Touch in the past month.

After watching the videos of the Palm Pre on www.SprintPre.net it seemed like there was no keyboard for landscape. But the Pre's ability to switch between portrait and landscape is so rapid :headbang2 it might not be that big of a deal to have to use the pull-out portrait keyboard every time you want to type something even though you were surfing in landscape.

[spano45]

I do not think this is a problem..its really more of an inconvenience. Is it really that hard to turn the phone vertically to type and then to turn it back horizontally???:icon_smil

[TheJuanJuice]

No its not a problem, you know how it is!!! Haters will allways find a reason to Hate.

LOL, I cant wait till the Pre comes out cause you know there going to find something anything, I cant wait to laugh at all the little things there going to try and come up with "they wana hate so bad, they can taste it" shoot, i think they want it to come out more then I do.

[parazitu22]

I sure hope there is a landscape keyboard. When you say soft, do you mean an onscreen landscape touch keyboard?

Oh yes it does. I have played with probably about at least 5 iPhones and 1 iPod Touch in the past month.

After watching the videos of the Palm Pre on www.SprintPre.net it seemed like there was no keyboard for landscape. But the Pre's ability to switch between portrait and landscape is so rapid :headbang2 it might not be that big of a deal to have to use the pull-out portrait keyboard every time you want to type something even though you were surfing in landscape.

As of now with the phone not being released there is no soft keyboard, but I am SURE that there will be one soon after it is released or right at release. It's a very easy software upgrade. And the soft keyboard can only appear when the phone is in landscape mode with the hardware keyboard closed. Seems easy enough to me, I don't know why people are making a big deal out of this.

[Show]

Click here (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-10137746-100.html?tag=centerColumnArea1.1) for a CNET review of the Pre.

[AmeriKenny]

As of now with the phone not being released there is no soft keyboard, but I am SURE that there will be one soon after it is released or right at release. It's a very easy software upgrade. And the soft keyboard can only appear when the phone is in landscape mode with the hardware keyboard closed. Seems easy enough to me, I don't know why people are making a big deal out of this.
I just hope as some have stated that there will be some sort of soft keyboard as you and some others have been pointing out. Yeah it's not that big of a deal for most to go back to portrait. But it's all about beating the iPhone. It's about coming out with the best. It's about doing what the iPhone can do and more! I just think it would be totally idiotic to leave it out. Some of you "lovers" maybe won't mind if the Pre lacked some of the most basic things that smartphones in it's class should have, but us "haters" (and I'm not a hater, I want the Pre to be top notch) are just hoping that the Pre does something that the iPhone and just about every other touch-only phones do. So does anyone know for sure? Keyboard in landscape or not? I'm getting all kinds of maybes and it doesn't matters.

[sel1965]

I don't care how I have to type in stuff whichever way the keyboard is sits is fine with me. I just want this phone.

[Show]

I don't have an answer to that question either. We don't don't know when it is being released. I hope that it is before the summer.

[winmobilelawyer]

The Pre switches so fast from portrait to landscape with the accelerometer (spelling?) that you won't even care. Just look at the vidoes... it switches almost instantly when you turn the phone.

[Show]

The Pre switches so fast from portrait to landscape with the accelerometer (spelling?) that you won't even care. Just look at the vidoes... it switches almost instantly when you turn the phone.

Thats a good thing. I expected nothing less.

[Nater]

Did Palm even think about this?

Are you joking?

The phone CAN be used horizontally, but it's primary orientation is vertical. The Pre is a descendant of the Treo, which was designed to be usable by one or two hands. Methinks a horizontal keyboard would not be usable one-handedly. So that's why the Pre is how it is.

[Show]

Yes it can be used both ways horizontal and vertical. And it flips modes right away no waiting. I spoke with a Sprint rep and they had a inhouse seminar where they got to play with they phone this past week. She loved it and said the phone was the real deal as advertised. Although working at Sprint she had be critical of some of Sprints phones before and have never been this excited about a Sprint phone as she was with this one. That told me something.

Also she mentioned that the phone will have video which has not been discussed or mentioned as a feature of the phone. (at least not that I have seen or heard)

[laravia18]

^^Thanks Show for your valuable information.:clap:

[Show]

Your very welcome. I'm trying to post everything I can fins out about the Pre. I just wish Sprint would come up with a release date. I read on Friday where there will be a $99 IPhone coming out in June.

I'm wondering what the heck Sprint is waiting for?

[lacotomo]

Not to beat a dead horse, but has anyone confirmed a touch screen keyboard when in Landscape? It doesn't seem like too big of a deal, but it would be nice to use instead of moving back and forth when surfing. I have watched a lot of review video, but nobody has ever switched to landscape and showed/used any keyboard...

I guess we hope for it, then hope for the app that does it if it isn't part of the stock phone.

[Show]

I think I may have saw that in one of the many videos that they have out there. You could probably go to the Palm site and watch a video that will answer your specific question.

[AmeriKenny]

I think I may have saw that in one of the many videos that they have out there. You could probably go to the Palm site and watch a video that will answer your specific question.
Can you just save us the effort and tell us?

[Show]

Can you just save us the effort and tell us?

I would if I could remember for certain, thats why I said I "think" it does do that and could not remember for sure.

[lacotomo]

I think I may have saw that in one of the many videos that they have out there. You could probably go to the Palm site and watch a video that will answer your specific question.

I glossed the Palm site and it never shows them typing on a virtual keyboard, and in fact doesn't go to landscape that often either....

[Noodle]

Can you just save us the effort and tell us?

So basically you are saying you are lazy. Search people.

From other info I have read out there the Pre will not have a software keyboard unless someone makes a 3rd party one.

[lacotomo]

So basically you are saying you are lazy. Search people.

From other info I have read out there the Pre will not have a software keyboard unless someone makes a 3rd party one.

I tend to agree with you. The presentations on the Palm site were great, and they showed the internet in both views, but when opening a new browser window, they always got out of landscape mode.

It didn't seem to take long or be a problem, and the web page still looked full in regular mode, so it really shouldn't be a big deal. I was just thinking that pulling up a virtual keyboard in landscape would be great to go to a new web page, then of course collapsing it right after....

[Show]

I tend to agree with you. The presentations on the Palm site were great, and they showed the internet in both views, but when opening a new browser window, they always got out of landscape mode.

It didn't seem to take long or be a problem, and the web page still looked full in regular mode, so it really shouldn't be a big deal. I was just thinking that pulling up a virtual keyboard in landscape would be great to go to a new web page, then of course collapsing it right after....


Interesting, I never really thought about it like that.

[MissDeevi]

the palm website states that the pre has an accelerometer that'll allow you to turn the phone and either direction to change to landscape mode. I seriously doubt that Palm plans to release such a groundbreaking phone (atleast for palm) without a keyboard to use in that mode. It'd be a serious mistake if they did not add one before the release. Personally, if I were to buy a Pre and was forced to turn the phone whenever I needed to type, I'd be PISSED, I'd return the phone as soon as I found out.

[AmeriKenny]

the palm website states that the pre has an accelerometer that'll allow you to turn the phone and either direction to change to landscape mode. I seriously doubt that Palm plans to release such a groundbreaking phone (atleast for palm) without a keyboard to use in that mode. It'd be a serious mistake if they did not add one before the release. Personally, if I were to buy a Pre and was forced to turn the phone whenever I needed to type, I'd be PISSED, I'd return the phone as soon as I found out.
I agree with your thoughts. Basically it comes down to what you said: Palm either installs a landscape soft keyboard now during this long annoying delay, or they are gonna lose a huge number of potential buyers.

[Darrion88]

I agree with your thoughts. Basically it comes down to what you said: Palm either installs a landscape soft keyboard now during this long annoying delay, or they are gonna lose a huge number of potential buyers.

Palm has said they won't have this at launch as stated by one of their marketing folks during demoing at CES. (I believe the video is the 20 minute one posted on precentral.net) I fully expect they'll have this as a software patch down the road but am certain it won't make the launch. IPhone had the same issue with the landscape keyboard only useable in Safari. I believe this still remains the case for them.

[cwfluke]

the palm website states that the pre has an accelerometer that'll allow you to turn the phone and either direction to change to landscape mode. I seriously doubt that Palm plans to release such a groundbreaking phone (atleast for palm) without a keyboard to use in that mode. It'd be a serious mistake if they did not add one before the release. Personally, if I were to buy a Pre and was forced to turn the phone whenever I needed to type, I'd be PISSED, I'd return the phone as soon as I found out.

They will NOT have a landscape virtual keyboard on release - its already been confirmed. And what's the difference in portrait only or landscape only like every other phone?! One of their selling points was being able to do things one-handed. Personally I love the portrait keyboard idea. If you are searching the internet in landscape and have to type a web address.....i don't see what the big deal is about rotating the phone?

[lacotomo]

They will NOT have a landscape virtual keyboard on release - its already been confirmed. And what's the difference in portrait only or landscape only like every other phone?! One of their selling points was being able to do things one-handed. Personally I love the portrait keyboard idea. If you are searching the internet in landscape and have to type a web address.....i don't see what the big deal is about rotating the phone?

I think the big deal to some is that is SOUNDS annoying to do it, although I believe it won't be a big deal, and that returning it because they aren't stessing a touch screen keyboard sounds a bit drastic.

The reason a lot of us want it I think is for the coolness factor. Yes it has a full keyboard unlike the god-like iPhone(haha), but touch screen is all the rage, and I think a lot of people want to be able to type on it, even if it isn't the most accurate, etc.

[yungwunn911]

one of the videos i saw of the pre, stated no virtual keyboards, but 3rd party apps will "most likely" enable one.

[MissDeevi]

Well, I have an INSTINCT now and I have to do the opposite. Whenever I have to type something from portrait mode, I have to either hit a button three times to get an alphabetical keyboard thats hard to type on, or turn the phone sideways. I geniunely dislike it. And if I'm looking at something in landscape mode, I gaurantee I won't want to flip the phone then pull out the keyboard. It's just that simple. I already find it annoying enough, but then to add a few more steps. that's just not my bag. Sorry.

[MissDeevi]

PS my keyboard on the Instinct is pretty damn accurate, better than my Centro which as you all know, has actual buttons. I kind of like the pantec duo because it is like the pre with a slide out landscape keyboard. Just saying.

[d12a60n]

I think for the serious texters out there who are used to devices that has the "landscape" feel this is indeed a "flaw" with the Pre but for the casual texter like myself - I don't find it that big of a deal considering I can rotate it from landscape back to normal - type what I need to, rotate it back, verify it looks good and send it off. But that's just me. I'm sure there are lots of folks who feel more passionately about this issue

[EeZeEpEe]

Serious texters can get used to landscape or portrait keyboards. I've seen all the hardcore Sidekick users turn into Blackberry users. Small complaints at first but when I see them text now it's still pretty darn fast. I personally think a phone is more often vertically held and therefore it's more practical to have it portrait. As cwfluke pointed out, it's being advertised for easy one-handed use. You can't do that with all the other landscape QWERTYs cause it's awkward. It looks like from the demos the accelerometer will be fast enough and not slow you down.

[Park]

If you don't like the portrait keyboard, don't get the phone. Less people in line on launch :)

[d12a60n]

If you don't like the portrait keyboard, don't get the phone. Less people in line on launch :)

:headbang2:clap:

[NM08SRT8]

Are you freakin kidding me? Wow, what do you guys think when you come up with this stuff? They will loose buyers just because of no landscape keyboard? lmao

So, SDK developers can't create one? Palm can't include one in a software update? You can't just simply turn the phone to type? Laziness?

[AmeriKenny]

Are you freakin kidding me? Wow, what do you guys think when you come up with this stuff? They will loose buyers just because of no landscape keyboard? lmao

So, SDK developers can't create one? Palm can't include one in a software update? You can't just simply turn the phone to type? Laziness?
Well people are lazy. That's just the way it is. People don't like to go to a pay phone to make a phone call anymore. That's why we have cell phones. Not having a in-built landscape keyboard is a flaw. So maybe I'm wrong about them losing customers because of it. But it definitely is going to get on some people's nerves. It's an annoyance that a phone manufacturer can easily get rid of. Just give people the option! It doesn't have to be a mandatory landscape keyboard. :thought:

[Show]

Are you freakin kidding me? Wow, what do you guys think when you come up with this stuff? They will loose buyers just because of no landscape keyboard? lmao

So, SDK developers can't create one? Palm can't include one in a software update? You can't just simply turn the phone to type? Laziness?

:haha:

:thought: I'm waiting for the update where you can just think what you want to say not type not speak but thing and it does the texting for you. :clap: There is no keyboard. All thought process. :1zhelp:

[rusty1492]

I'm really suprised Palm didn't think this would be an issue with many people. Any usability study should have identified it as a potiental problem. You can call people lazy or picky but if you're going to try to be an Iphone killer you need to make the phone easy to use and convenient as well.

[NM08SRT8]

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A IPHONE KILLER, PALM NEVER SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE!! Seriously people, what is your malfunction. I say it having Cards (background running programs) is convenient enough. Everything else is just picky preference. Not one device will always address everything every user wants, or else there would only be one cell phone from day one, and nothing else after.

The landscape keyboard could possibly be there, or it could be a developers opportunity to create one. Or palm will simply just make one and update the phone. Either way, chill out. You want a landscape keyboard? buy a Rant, Rumor2, Touch Pro, if it's such a big deal for you to have.

And yes, Lazy and Picky are the right terms. Like it's going to kill you to MOVE the phone to portrait position just to input text. Hell, they already took the guessing work out of it by including a accelerometer to flip the screen for you. Stop overacting over stupid things here guys. It's like everyone is just TRYING to find a flaw with the phone, and when everything is answered, more nitt-pickers start finding other things to pick at.

[grrrrrrr]

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A IPHONE KILLER, PALM NEVER SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE!! Seriously people, what is your malfunction. I say it having Cards (background running programs) is convenient enough. Everything else is just picky preference. Not one device will always address everything every user wants, or else there would only be one cell phone from day one, and nothing else after.

The landscape keyboard could possibly be there, or it could be a developers opportunity to create one. Or palm will simply just make one and update the phone. Either way, chill out. You want a landscape keyboard? buy a Rant, Rumor2, Touch Pro, if it's such a big deal for you to have.

And yes, Lazy and Picky are the right terms. Like it's going to kill you to MOVE the phone to portrait position just to input text. Hell, they already took the guessing work out of it by including a accelerometer to flip the screen for you. Stop overacting over stupid things here guys. It's like everyone is just TRYING to find a flaw with the phone, and when everything is answered, more nitt-pickers start finding other things to pick at.

Why do you even care? If people want a landscape keyboard then people want a landscape keyboard. Jesus. If anyone should give it a break it's you. You have a beef with everything anyone says around here.

So some people would like to see a landscape keyboard. Big f'n deal. That's their prerogative. Maybe it has it, maybe it doesn't. Those people that want the landscape keyboard can make their decision at that time.

[NM08SRT8]

Why do you even care? If people want a landscape keyboard then people want a landscape keyboard. Jesus. If anyone should give it a break it's you. You have a beef with everything anyone says around here.

So some people would like to see a landscape keyboard. Big f'n deal. That's their prerogative. Maybe it has it, maybe it doesn't. Those people that want the landscape keyboard can make their decision at that time.
I care because of the absurd remarks such as "it will loose sales", "It won't succeed as an iPhone killer if it doesn't have a landscape keyboard" or whatever. I mean.. really? You're all kidding me right?

I hate the remarks, not the landscape keyboard idea. If they want one, that's fine.. But stop making such a big deal over it not having one. OR even giving it a chance to be developed.

[AmeriKenny]

I care because of the absurd remarks such as "it will loose sales", "It won't succeed as an iPhone killer if it doesn't have a landscape keyboard" or whatever. I mean.. really? You're all kidding me right?

I hate the remarks, not the landscape keyboard idea. If they want one, that's fine.. But stop making such a big deal over it not having one. OR even giving it a chance to be developed.
It's all about speculation and discussion. It's no big deal. We are just talking about what we have seen from the videos and reviews. We are just hoping and speculating. What we say isn't fact. It's opinion just to fuel some discussion as we anticipate this phone. We want it to be the best that it can be and we hope that Palm reaches it's fullest potential.

[Show]

They will NOT have a landscape virtual keyboard on release - its already been confirmed. And what's the difference in portrait only or landscape only like every other phone?! One of their selling points was being able to do things one-handed. Personally I love the portrait keyboard idea. If you are searching the internet in landscape and have to type a web address.....i don't see what the big deal is about rotating the phone?

I will say who cares? Most business users and adults were use to typing in non landscape mode. The phone it seems that were tryinng to attract the younger crowd started doing landscape. Everyone will but what it is that they want personally it's no big deal.

[Show]

I care because of the absurd remarks such as "it will loose sales", "It won't succeed as an iPhone killer if it doesn't have a landscape keyboard" or whatever. I mean.. really? You're all kidding me right?

I hate the remarks, not the landscape keyboard idea. If they want one, that's fine.. But stop making such a big deal over it not having one. OR even giving it a chance to be developed.

:Popcorn2: It's going to lose sales. No landscape mode means the phone is DOOMED! They may as well not release it. :Popcorn2:

P.s. ok I'm just having a little fun guys. The phone is what it is. It should do well (hopefully) landscape keyboard or not. Hopefully it will be released within the next 3 months.

[NM08SRT8]

It's all about speculation and discussion. It's no big deal. We are just talking about what we have seen from the videos and reviews. We are just hoping and speculating. What we say isn't fact. It's opinion just to fuel some discussion as we anticipate this phone. We want it to be the best that it can be and we hope that Palm reaches it's fullest potential.
I understand and agree. I just don't get how so many conclusions can be made on a device not even out yet. I just believe in giving something a chance before you say "i hate it" or things along those lines, such as it will fail for (insert reason here).

[grrrrrrr]

I care because of the absurd remarks such as "it will loose sales", ....

For the love of God already, the word is "lose", not "loose".

[NM08SRT8]

Sorry grrr, it's a habit of mine. Just like I make the mistake of "fallow" instead of "follow" sometimes. I know how to spell it, just catch myself typing it out wrong at times.

[grrrrrrr]

Sorry grrr, it's a habit of mine. Just like I make the mistake of "fallow" instead of "follow" sometimes. I know how to spell it, just catch myself typing it out wrong at times.

See, NM08SRT8... that's why I think you have a redeeming quality about you. You stick behind your convictions but when shown irrefutable evidence you maturely acknowledge your mistake.

I know you have a bond with your buddy Scrapmaker. But if it were him he'd explain how "loose" and "lose" are actually interchangeable ever since he phoned Merriam-Webster to have them make the two words synonyms because he believes that the way it should be.

[Evil Duck]

I don’t know what the big deal is, if you need to have a slide out keyboard that runs in landscape mode then you should buy one that does that. Personally, I would plan to buy a (external) keyboard if I really needed to type with the keyboard that way.

Since most of the older Treos had a keyboard in the non-landscape mode then I guess most people found that they could function well enough.

[NM08SRT8]

See, NM08SRT8... that's why I think you have a redeeming quality about you. You stick behind your convictions but when shown irrefutable evidence you maturely acknowledge your mistake.

I know you have a bond with your buddy Scrapmaker. But if it were him he'd explain how "loose" and "lose" are actually interchangeable ever since he phoned Merriam-Webster to have them make the two words synonyms because he believes that the way it should be.
I understand and know I'm not perfect and that I'm human as well. Mistakes can be made and I've made a lot on this forum over the years. Corrections are made where they are necessary.

About Scrapmaker and I... Me and the guy just see eye to eye on quite a bit. Our approaches to them are a little different and even some of our thoughts are different. I'm sure I say things he doesn't 100% agree with, while I feel the same about him.

It's not about him and I ganging up on anyone in here.. That was not planned or was not our goal neither. IDK, I've just tried to calm my attacks down on the whole 4letter word, and tried to focus more on the device itself. But again, this could also put me in a bind. I just will remember to try and not lose ( :) ) my head this time around. I've just had a very stressful day today, with only having 3hrs of sleep, and my dad going into heart surgery (he's fine now).. Just put a lot of strain on me today, and my above posts (while some might seem/be hostile, no harm intended) reflected that. My apologies to all of you

[AmeriKenny]

NM08SRT8, no offense taken.

[grrrrrrr]

I've just had a very stressful day today, with only having 3hrs of sleep, and my dad going into heart surgery (he's fine now).. Just put a lot of strain on me today,

Best wishes to you and your father for a speedy recovery.

[NM08SRT8]

Thank you everyone for your concern. I shall give him... Pre :)

[rusty1492]

NM08SRT8, no offense taken and best of luck with your Dad.

[MissDeevi]

Serious texters can get used to landscape or portrait keyboards. I've seen all the hardcore Sidekick users turn into Blackberry users. Small complaints at first but when I see them text now it's still pretty darn fast. I personally think a phone is more often vertically held and therefore it's more practical to have it portrait. As cwfluke pointed out, it's being advertised for easy one-handed use. You can't do that with all the other landscape QWERTYs cause it's awkward. It looks like from the demos the accelerometer will be fast enough and not slow you down.

Those users aren't constantly turning their phones back and forth. I use to have a sidekick, the whole flipping the screen up thing was more annoying that anything, that is why they switch to blackberrys, so they don't have to do that sh*t anymore.

If you don't like the portrait keyboard, don't get the phone. Less people in line on launch :)

I think I'll get in line infront of you and then spend an hour asking questions about the phone and b*tching about it not having a landscape keyboard.

Are you freakin kidding me? Wow, what do you guys think when you come up with this stuff? They will loose buyers just because of no landscape keyboard? lmao

So, SDK developers can't create one? Palm can't include one in a software update? You can't just simply turn the phone to type? Laziness?

The fact is phones are made for convenience purposes these days. To appeal to mass audiences. To people who just don't care about throwing their money away. Unlike 5 years ago when the majority of lower income people didn't care what type of phone they had, they tend to now. Those are the same people who like all the bells and whistles that people on this site just don't give a sh*t about. People who find this site are more knowledgeable of the devices and have specific needs for their phones that don't usually require such things as landscape keyboards and music players. So what, you don't care about the landscape keyboard, some people do, and we're not on here telling you you're being stupid for not caring about it. What some people have said is that that mass of people who use to not spend their money on this type of thing are now saving their checks to rush to the store and pay for something because of the hype, rather than the knowledge of the device. then those people will see that it doesnt have something that a comparable phone has and they will feel out of the loop that is "popular society"and return the phones. That is just how the public is now and yes, even something so minor as a landscape keyboard can sway the sales of a product, because as I stated, if I find the phone annoying to use, I'm going to be one of those people returning my device.
Just Saying

[NM08SRT8]

Those users aren't constantly turning their phones back and forth. I use to have a sidekick, the whole flipping the screen up thing was more annoying that anything, that is why they switch to blackberrys, so they don't have to do that sh*t anymore.



I think I'll get in line infront of you and then spend an hour asking questions about the phone and b*tching about it not having a landscape keyboard.



The fact is phones are made for convenience purposes these days. To appeal to mass audiences. To people who just don't care about throwing their money away. Unlike 5 years ago when the majority of lower income people didn't care what type of phone they had, they tend to now. Those are the same people who like all the bells and whistles that people on this site just don't give a sh*t about. People who find this site are more knowledgeable of the devices and have specific needs for their phones that don't usually require such things as landscape keyboards and music players. So what, you don't care about the landscape keyboard, some people do, and we're not on here telling you you're being stupid for not caring about it. What some people have said is that that mass of people who use to not spend their money on this type of thing are now saving their checks to rush to the store and pay for something because of the hype, rather than the knowledge of the device. then those people will see that it doesnt have something that a comparable phone has and they will feel out of the loop that is "popular society"and return the phones. That is just how the public is now and yes, even something so minor as a landscape keyboard can sway the sales of a product, because as I stated, if I find the phone annoying to use, I'm going to be one of those people returning my device.
Just Saying
I understand. If the phone doesn't have what you want, then it may not be the phone for you to purchase.

[cwfluke]

I understand. If the phone doesn't have what you want, then it may not be the phone for you to purchase.

+1

Personally -I'd rather flip the phone to portrait and type on the actual keyboard than to have a software keyboard take up 3/4 of the screen real estate so I can't see anything. Its all about preferences. Clearly - some people want a landscape keyboard, some couldn't care less. I'm sure there will be an app for one, just not at launch. So maybe you just wait until you see an app for a landscape keyboard to purchase one?

[NM08SRT8]

+2.

[AmeriKenny]

I personally think that an app. made for a keyboard is stupid. A keyboard is something a device either has or it doesn't. You don't "make an application for a keyboard". I'm not saying that you can't. I just saying that you don't.

[NM08SRT8]

It's not an application, it's just an add-on

[Park]

the palm website states that the pre has an accelerometer that'll allow you to turn the phone and either direction to change to landscape mode. I seriously doubt that Palm plans to release such a groundbreaking phone (atleast for palm) without a keyboard to use in that mode. It'd be a serious mistake if they did not add one before the release. Personally, if I were to buy a Pre and was forced to turn the phone whenever I needed to type, I'd be PISSED, I'd return the phone as soon as I found out.

Doubt it all you want, but it's a fact that it won't have a landscape keyboard.

I think I'll get in line infront of you and then spend an hour asking questions about the phone and b*tching about it not having a landscape keyboard.

Why will you stand in line and buy a phone you already know you're going to return.

[Diana Prince]

Why will you stand in line and buy a phone you already know you're going to return.

I think you missed it. LOL. Her point would be just standing in line to annoy you...not to buy the phone. ;)

[Park]

I think you missed it. LOL. Her point would be just standing in line to annoy you...not to buy the phone. ;)

Uh no...I know exactly what she meant; it was pretty obvious.

I was being sarcastic.

[Diana Prince]

Uh no...I know exactly what she meant; it was pretty obvious.

I was being sarcastic.

My bad...didn't realize you knew you'd been dinged.

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Best wishes to you and your father for a speedy recovery.

Hey NM08SRT8 ...I wish you and your father best wishes and I hope everything went well with your father. I think this was an old post I'm just now seeing.

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Landscape or no Landscape. No offense but landscape seem more adolescent to me. I'm saying that and basing it on the fact that I see more teenagers and yournger kids with phone texting on landscape then I see adults. Not calling anyone here a kid but that is what I see in everyday life.

[petehead]

+1

Personally -I'd rather flip the phone to portrait and type on the actual keyboard than to have a software keyboard take up 3/4 of the screen real estate so I can't see anything.

Would be nice if they could make a model that pivots (like the LG VX9400) after sliding the keyboard out, so that you can use it with the screen in either orientation and not use up the screen real estate. Maybe I'll just try twisting the Pre's keyboard ;-)

[lacotomo]

Landscape or no Landscape. No offense but landscape seem more adolescent to me. I'm saying that and basing it on the fact that I see more teenagers and yournger kids with phone texting on landscape then I see adults. Not calling anyone here a kid but that is what I see in everyday life.


I see what you mean by that, as a lot of the newer 'texting' phones, as I think of them, clamshell open wide, to expose the keyboard. For me, and I think others though, who use applications and internet, it would be nice to see a landscape touch keyboard. Also, you would think Palm would want 'kids' buying the Pre as well, and IMO, a touch screen/keyboard is the hottest thing out there now(see iPhone), so you would think they would take advantage of that.

Here is a review I found today on the Pre keyboard. I have read some of his other articles, and he seems pretty down the middle, although a bit toward being an iPhone fanboy, but who can blame him when the Pre hasn't been released and nothing has come out yet to be a 'killer' :) (I know, I know, don't say iPhone killer....oops).

http://blogs.zdnet.com/cell-phones/?p=1058