[Pre] SERO Concerns

[laursifer]

Let's keep all of the SERO concerns in this thread. I've put a little poll here for the heck of it.

[montuno]

I love the looks,slide up keyboard instead of sideways and the new OS ...but if I cant keep my beloved SERO ..no Pre for me

[patchs]

I have Pre fever something fierce but do not want to give up my sweet SERO 500 plan.
Make the new Sprint users get the SE plan, reward the existing ones.

[fakeguy]

Sero till I die!

[BrucePDA]

Same here, no SERO, no Pre for me

[yabo]

On my (new) SERO (the 79 buck one), sure, but, I'm holding on to my SERO500! It's mines, I tell you. Mines.

[htowngator]

I voted to keep SERO too... $30/month is just too good.

Hopefully they don't make it SE specific.

[RonMan]

Money is tight. If I want a new phone (and from all indications I will want the Pre), I can't justify spending $200+ on the phone PLUS have to at least double my bill from my $30.00/month SERO.

No $30.00/month SERO, no Pre. :(

[decypher44]

Count me as another SERO 500 ($30 + insurance) that just can't give it up. I seriously LOVE what I've seen, read and heard about the Pre. I really want the little bugger. But I just can't afford an extra, what, $60/mo?!

[SomeKid949]

I don't care what they say, I WILL GET THE PRE on my Sero 500. People are just voting no for the poll because they dont have a Sero. But I will hack it no matter what I do. The thing is, is that I can't afford a higher plan. Forcing someone into a plan that is $100 bucks is a RIP OFF. Ok so there is a cheaper one that is $79 or $69 but after tax, and insurance, its over $80. I am a minor. And my dad will not pay more for my plan, i have my own, and my parents and siblings have their crappy one with only minutes.

[NM08SRT8]

I don't care what they say, I WILL GET THE PRE on my Sero 500. People are just voting no for the poll because they dont have a Sero. But I will hack it no matter what I do. The thing is, is that I can't afford a higher plan. Forcing someone into a plan that is $100 bucks is a RIP OFF. Ok so there is a cheaper one that is $79 or $69 but after tax, and insurance, its over $80. I am a minor. And my dad will not pay more for my plan, i have my own, and my parents and siblings have their crappy one with only minutes.
Good luck buddy. Go get the Instinct activated on your SERO right now.. And come back so you can give us somethin to laugh about..

[NM08SRT8]

I don't care what they say, I WILL GET THE PRE on my Sero 500. People are just voting no for the poll because they dont have a Sero. But I will hack it no matter what I do. The thing is, is that I can't afford a higher plan. Forcing someone into a plan that is $100 bucks is a RIP OFF. Ok so there is a cheaper one that is $79 or $69 but after tax, and insurance, its over $80. I am a minor. And my dad will not pay more for my plan, i have my own, and my parents and siblings have their crappy one with only minutes.
No one said you needed the unlimited SEP plan, just an Everything Plan, Prices very from $69, $89, and $99. Secondly, unless you can "hack" into Sprint's system to change their notification that automatically pops up to all devices requiring a special plan, (ie. Instinct or BB's) you will simply fail. Third, if you want nice things, be ready to shell out the price for them. It's as simple as that. You don't put Regular fuel in a Premium Only vehicle. You need to just accept the fact that things are going to require certain requirements, such as rebates.. You can't force them to give you your MIR if you don't meet the requirements. Just like you wouldn't let them get away with offering you just voice coverage when you're paying for data, text, tv, pic mail, etc. right?

[knucklehead]

If I want it that bad I'll save up and pay full price for it or wait a few months and check out ebay. Unless it will rub my feet and make me a turkey pot pie no way will it get me out of my SERO 500.

[NM08SRT8]

Saving up won't do anything. The point I'm trying to make here is; Like the Instinct, if this phone requires any special plan, or data requirements, it will be noted as a pop up message to the CSR to notify you that a plan upgrade/change will be required upon activation. This can be via New Contracts, Existing customers, Contract renewal, etc. If this esn is typed into your account for activation, no matter how you bought the phone, you will still be required to change your plan. There is no work around for this. It is what it is.

[grydlok]

I don't care.

[knucklehead]

Saving up won't do anything. The point I'm trying to make here is; Like the Instinct, if this phone requires any special plan, or data requirements, it will be noted as a pop up message to the CSR to notify you that a plan upgrade/change will be required upon activation. This can be via New Contracts, Existing customers, Contract renewal, etc. If this esn is typed into your account for activation, no matter how you bought the phone, you will still be required to change your plan. There is no work around for this. It is what it is.

ok, ok, I change my answer to no. Cheez

[vfrjim]

If I have to, I will purchase the Pre outright if that is what it takes to keep my Sero $30/500

[htowngator]

If I have to, I will purchase the Pre outright if that is what it takes to keep my Sero $30/500

Not the point as others have said. If the phone ESN requires a SE plan you are S.O.L. for the lack of a better term.

[vfrjim]

Not the point as others have said. If the phone ESN requires a SE plan you are S.O.L. for the lack of a better term.

I will verify that first, if not, I stay with my 755p.....

[lookitsrobss]

I hope Sprint lets us keep it.:fingers:

[yungwunn911]

i don't think palm is the situation to force a higher plan. Truth is, palm is in trouble. They need to start selling units fast and forcing people into an everything plan, with sprint at least (with the amazing rep is has on the market) would be a death sentence.

I would stay optimistic that pre will be available for all.

In all honesty, SERO is the only thing that has me attach to sprint. If it wasn't for sero, I would be paying roaming fees up the @$*.

[rxblitzrx]

I still have a crap 700p. If I can't go Pre, then I'll just go Pro. That's a big enough change for me.

[Hemond]

I would stay optimistic that pre will be available for all.

In all honesty, SERO is the only thing that has me attach to sprint.


Same here, if not for SERO 500 I wouldn't be with Sprint. I love the Pre and am sending out positive energy that it will be offered. If not then it simply is not worth it. Sprint is great at $30 but stinks at full retail. I'm willing to pay for the pre but not at the cost of losing SERO.

[web1b]

Since I'm in the middle of a Sprint contract, I will think twice about getting the Palm Pre even if my SERO plan can be used with the Pre. The undiscounted price for the hardware may not be worth it. If I find a good deal on eBay, I'd get it or wait until renewal time to get a hardware discount.
If SERO is not available, there is no way I will pay $69 to $99 for Sprint service.
I would either keep my $30 Sprint Sero plan with a phone that doesn't require a plan upgrade or else switch to AT&T and get the next iPhone for $60-$80 per month.
Paying even close to the cost of an iPhone for Sprint service (much less more) is not even a consideration. I don't use a lot of minutes or services other than voice and data, so the SEP plan rates don't impress me at all.

The main problem I've had with Sprint that makes it barely tolerable for me even at the SERO discount price is how the 1900 band doesn't penetrate buildings well. I get 0-1 bar at home, so it is "just" usable at home and it doesn't work at work at all unless I'm near a window. Customer service at Sprint is the worst I've seen, but I haven't needed to call again after the initial start up account glitches were resolved so I'll live with it for the SERO discount.
Sprint is not losing money on the SERO plan because without this plan, there would be no way I would be using Sprint. Instead of getting $30 per month plus $7 insurance, they would be getting $0.
I'm only putting up with Sprint service quality because of this SERO discount service plan.

[totoro80]

i've never had SERO and honestly i could care less about it

i have 350 minutes, nighttime @ 7 pm, unlimited web, and unlimited texting for $50

as long as i can keep that plan for my Pre its all good.

if sprint is going to require simply everything plans that's gonna piss me off.

i might take the 69.99 simply everything plan (def not the 99.99 plan....just too much money.

i might just go to a touch pro instead:P

[ScrapMaker]

i don't think palm is the situation to force a higher plan. Truth is, palm is in trouble. They need to start selling units fast and forcing people into an everything plan, with sprint at least (with the amazing rep is has on the market) would be a death sentence.

I would stay optimistic that pre will be available for all.

In all honesty, SERO is the only thing that has me attach to sprint. If it wasn't for sero, I would be paying roaming fees up the @$*.


Same here, if not for SERO 500 I wouldn't be with Sprint. I love the Pre and am sending out positive energy that it will be offered. If not then it simply is not worth it. Sprint is great at $30 but stinks at full retail. I'm willing to pay for the pre but not at the cost of losing SERO.

There were so many people like you guys that got the iPhone anyways... now THAT is an unjustifiable cost! Paying nearly as much as the SE, and getting JACK instead? You have to pay to play.

i've never had SERO and honestly i could care less about it

i have 350 minutes, nighttime @ 7 pm, unlimited web, and unlimited texting for $50

as long as i can keep that plan for my Pre its all good.

if sprint is going to require simply everything plans that's gonna piss me off.

i might take the 69.99 simply everything plan (def not the 99.99 plan....just too much money.

i might just go to a touch pro instead:P

Might want to read up on PPCGeeks about all the problems with the TP first :( although hardware revision 2 came out, so maybe it will be better

I don't care what they say, I WILL GET THE PRE on my Sero 500. People are just voting no for the poll because they dont have a Sero. But I will hack it no matter what I do. The thing is, is that I can't afford a higher plan. Forcing someone into a plan that is $100 bucks is a RIP OFF. Ok so there is a cheaper one that is $79 or $69 but after tax, and insurance, its over $80. I am a minor. And my dad will not pay more for my plan, i have my own, and my parents and siblings have their crappy one with only minutes.

God--no one is forcing ANYONE into ANYTHING. If you want the phone, and it requires the plan, YOU make the choice to make the switch--not Sprint, not Palm, not anyone besides yourself. The premium fuel analogy is great--you buy the car, but you can't just use regular. I know my car cannot use anything less than premium. You have to accept things as they are, and stop expecting things to morph to your needs.

Money is tight. If I want a new phone (and from all indications I will want the Pre), I can't justify spending $200+ on the phone PLUS have to at least double my bill from my $30.00/month SERO.

No $30.00/month SERO, no Pre. :(

If money is tight, it would seem that a cell phone is not necessary--at all, but if you want one, even with money being tight, there are certainly cheaper options than SERO. GoPhone and all the others are much, much cheaper. If you want all the texting, data, etc... fine, but that's not a necessity.

[totoro80]

my GF has a touch pro so i know about the problems with it but if (and i really don't see a scenerio where i don't get the Pre...) i end up not getting the Pre, I don't see any other sprint phones that i would rather have other than the touch pro

[pablito]

Maybe we should think of this as a blessing. Spring is gonna make people get a premium plan to get the PRE, I don't think there's any doubt about that, but maybe we SERO users ($30 :headbang2) will then be able to get something like the HTC Pro which will be downgraded from Sprint's flagship phone to just "another phone" once the Pre comes out.

My contract is up in August--just in time.

[htowngator]

Since I'm in the middle of a Sprint contract, I will think twice about getting the Palm Pre even if my SERO plan can be used with the Pre. The undiscounted price for the hardware may not be worth it. If I find a good deal on eBay, I'd get it or wait until renewal time to get a hardware discount.
If SERO is not available, there is no way I will pay $69 to $99 for Sprint service.
I would either keep my $30 Sprint Sero plan with a phone that doesn't require a plan upgrade or else switch to AT&T and get the next iPhone for $60-$80 per month.
Paying even close to the cost of an iPhone for Sprint service (much less more) is not even a consideration. I don't use a lot of minutes or services other than voice and data, so the SEP plan rates don't impress me at all.

The main problem I've had with Sprint that makes it barely tolerable for me even at the SERO discount price is how the 1900 band doesn't penetrate buildings well. I get 0-1 bar at home, so it is "just" usable at home and it doesn't work at work at all unless I'm near a window. Customer service at Sprint is the worst I've seen, but I haven't needed to call again after the initial start up account glitches were resolved so I'll live with it for the SERO discount.
Sprint is not losing money on the SERO plan because without this plan, there would be no way I would be using Sprint. Instead of getting $30 per month plus $7 insurance, they would be getting $0.
I'm only putting up with Sprint service quality because of this SERO discount service plan.

100% agree... Sprint has been "nothin' but trouble" for me and without the price plan it would not have been worth it. I've had many times when the phone service just went out for days, and after the hurricane here it was the worst service in town (everyone had issues but they were the ones that had no service pretty much anywhere).

Anyway for $30 its still much better than $70 with AT&T or Verizon which is why I'm sticking around. If they made me lose the plan, I'm ditching the service.

[pablito]

For what you get with the SERO 500-minute plan, folks with other services are paying around $60 it seems to me. Just to be conservative, let's say with SERO we're saving $25 a month. Over the course of a year that's a savings of $300. Over the course of 20 years, that's $6000--conservatively. I think it's worth hanging on to the SERO plan come hell or high water.

[patchs]

My SERO 500 contract ends in May, so I'm eligible for my $150 off a new phone in March.
I would like to think Sprint doesn't want to lose existing customers and they will let me keep my existing plan to get the Pre.
If not, well, I'll have to make a decision because I really want this phone, having owned Palm devices dating back to my Handspring Visor Pro, Prism, Palm Tungsten C, Treo 650 and now 700p.
My hunch is it will come out in May.

[hathetran]

maybe if we email Dan about not requiring an Everything Plan he'll take that into consideration

[the.traveller]

If the PRE will require a plan change, as nice as it is (and though it outperforms the rest of Sprint's line up) it wouldn't justify the plan change (more than double in price) from a SERO to a SEP.

HOWEVER, with all the changes Sprint has been making lately, I have a nagging feeling that all SERO plans will eventually be phased out of their system. Regardless of whether this happens or not, I will also go to either the Pro or the Diamond or an HD-similar device if/when it comes (again assuming said device doesn't require SEP).

[pablito]

If the PRE will require a plan change, as nice as it is (and though it outperforms the rest of Sprint's line up) it wouldn't justify the plan change (more than double in price) from a SERO to a SEP.

HOWEVER, with all the changes Sprint has been making lately, I have a nagging feeling that all SERO plans will eventually be phased out of their system. Regardless of whether this happens or not, I will also go to either the Pro or the Diamond or an HD-similar device if/when it comes (again assuming said device doesn't require SEP).

How would our plan be phased out? They would make us change plans perhaps in we wanted to renew a contract with Sprint. But if we continued with our SERO plans vidam aeternam out of contract, buying our phones on ebay or wherever, they can't do anything to terminate the plan, right?

[ScrapMaker]

How would our plan be phased out? They would make us change plans perhaps in we wanted to renew a contract with Sprint. But if we continued with our SERO plans vidam aeternam out of contract, buying our phones on ebay or wherever, they can't do anything to terminate the plan, right?

If you signed a contract for your SERO account, then when your contract expires, you could lose your discount. I know that previously, there were other perks that dissolved when your contract expired--such as 7pm NW and free PCS2PCS... The second your contract expired, you lost it.

What's to say the same thing can't happen with SERO?

Now, having grandfathered Vision is a bit different... if you were like me, and had a plan about the same price as SERO, but no contract whatsoever, no begging, no pleading, no nothing, then they wouldn't take it away. I even had it on my Pro, but the SEP is just a much better deal if you talk a lot and ever use GPS.

[lookitsrobss]

100% agree... Sprint has been "nothin' but trouble" for me and without the price plan it would not have been worth it. I've had many times when the phone service just went out for days, and after the hurricane here it was the worst service in town (everyone had issues but they were the ones that had no service pretty much anywhere).

Anyway for $30 its still much better than $70 with AT&T or Verizon which is why I'm sticking around. If they made me lose the plan, I'm ditching the service.

I feel you, IKE sucked big time. I could never charge my phone first of all for two weeks but when I did have the opportunity to use it the network would not work.

[diveborg]

Same here, no SERO, no Pre for me

Yup, same for me too. Actually, I'm pretty happy with the current Palm phones I have, so I wasn't really considering jumping for the Pre.

[Park]

i've never had SERO and honestly i could care less about it

i have 350 minutes, nighttime @ 7 pm, unlimited web, and unlimited texting for $50

as long as i can keep that plan for my Pre its all good.

if sprint is going to require simply everything plans that's gonna piss me off.

i might take the 69.99 simply everything plan (def not the 99.99 plan....just too much money.

i might just go to a touch pro instead:P

Don't you mean you couldn't care less?

Sorry, when people mess that up it's just one of my pet peeves.

I've never had SERO and I don't see myself getting a SERO plan, so I don't really care. If it were up to me though, I'd let people use the Pre on SERO.

[Thug541]

I gave up my old Sero for a blackberry curve.

I didn't even go with their new version of SERO. I ended up using my corporate disconut plan which is a bit less than the new sero (50 less minutes though).

I had my run with Sero...$42 a month after taxes was lovely...but you know what, it was lovely in college when i was struggling. I was more than willing to upgrade to a more robust plan (GPS, Sprint TV etc.) as I know its still cheaper than every other carrier.

With that said, i'll def. get the Pre.

[sureynot]

I think Sprint will require an everything plan. Personally if I were sprint I'd realize SERO ppl are just leechers and they hardly make money if at all on them. Therefor if they cut them off from the plan and they move carriers it's not the end of the world by any means. Granted it's going to look bad for sprint that they are losing more customers.

Frankly SERO people are annoying as hell, posting in forums bragging about their plan every chance they get, having it in their signatures etc... Nobody cares...

And no, I'm not jealous of your SERO plan. I have a much better 3rd party plan, $20, 3,000 minutes with data, text and all. However when Sprint cuts me off from that it won't be the end of the world and I'll gladly switch to an everything plan.

[ScrapMaker]

I think Sprint will require an everything plan. Personally if I were sprint I'd realize SERO ppl are just leechers and they hardly make money if at all on them. Therefor if they cut them off from the plan and they move carriers it's not the end of the world by any means. Granted it's going to look bad for sprint that they are losing more customers.

Frankly SERO people are annoying as hell, posting in forums bragging about their plan every chance they get, having it in their signatures etc... Nobody cares...

And no, I'm not jealous of your SERO plan. I have a much better 3rd party plan, $20, 3,000 minutes with data, text and all. However when Sprint cuts me off from that it won't be the end of the world and I'll gladly switch to an everything plan.

I bet most people will--as well--since the Pre is worth it, (supposedly.)

If not, they will stick with their older devices..

Although, as it was pointed out, the language in the press release is mildly different than for the Instinct. Who really know what will happen. All I know, is I am set, regardless of what happens.

[cwfluke]

I think Sprint will require an everything plan. Personally if I were sprint I'd realize SERO ppl are just leechers and they hardly make money if at all on them. Therefor if they cut them off from the plan and they move carriers it's not the end of the world by any means. Granted it's going to look bad for sprint that they are losing more customers.

Frankly SERO people are annoying as hell, posting in forums bragging about their plan every chance they get, having it in their signatures etc... Nobody cares...

And no, I'm not jealous of your SERO plan. I have a much better 3rd party plan, $20, 3,000 minutes with data, text and all. However when Sprint cuts me off from that it won't be the end of the world and I'll gladly switch to an everything plan.

You have absolutely NO idea how much money Sprint makes off of SERO customers so please don't act as if you do. And to state that SERO customers are somehow "leechers" and then claim to have a plan that's both signficantly cheaper with more features, is the epitome of hypocrisy and is quite possibly the most comical post I've seen on here for a long time.......and there have been some doozies!

[ScrapMaker]

You have absolutely NO idea how much money Sprint makes off of SERO customers so please don't act as if you do. And to state that SERO customers are somehow "leechers" and then claim to have a plan that's both signficantly cheaper with more features, is the epitome of hypocrisy and is quite possibly the most comical post I've seen on here for a long time.......and there have been some doozies!

While the typical SERO plan holder does not use a lot of talk time, they do use a lot of data.

If you had to propose a number---the amount of profit they make off of a SERO member, what would you say?

I think what he was getting at, is in general, there is pretty much no way that the Sprint is making much money off of the SERO plans--if any. I have to agree with that, even without knowing the specific profit numbers.

If $30 was making them plenty of money, I think they would be mass-marketing those plans...

[cwfluke]

While the typical SERO plan holder does not use a lot of talk time, they do use a lot of data.

If you had to propose a number---the amount of profit they make off of a SERO member, what would you say?

I think what he was getting at, is in general, there is pretty much no way that the Sprint is making much money off of the SERO plans--if any. I have to agree with that, even without knowing the specific profit numbers.

If $30 was making them plenty of money, I think they would be mass-marketing those plans...

I honestly have no clue how much money Sprint makes off the typical SERO customer. Its obviously not as much as SEP customers, but i would assume its still a little - but again, that's only wildly guessing. I have no idea how much it "costs" Sprint for me to use their service so it would be an uninformed guess even if i did make one.

And I agree that if they were making lots of money on $30 a month plans, they would mass-market them.....which they are not. So clearly the margin is small. What I can say with certainty is that Sprint makes more money off this SERO customer than they do off sureynot and his/her $20 a month plan. So if I'm an annoying leecher, what kind of bottom feeder are all the other people with better plans than SERO customers?!?! That was my only point - don't be a hypocrite and call people who pay more than you do a month "leechers". Actually - there's not much need for name calling period - but hypocritical name calling has always struck a nerve for me.

[ScrapMaker]

I honestly have no clue how much money Sprint makes off the typical SERO customer. Its obviously not as much as SEP customers, but i would assume its still a little - but again, that's only wildly guessing. I have no idea how much it "costs" Sprint for me to use their service so it would be an uninformed guess even if i did make one. And I agree that if they were making lots of money on $30 a month plans, they would mass-market them.....which they are not. So clearly the margin is small. What I can say with certainty is that Sprint makes more money off this SERO customer than they do off sureynot and his/her $20 a month plan. So if I'm an annoying leecher, what kind of bottom feeder are all the other people with better plans than SERO customers?!?!

I agree with L's post earlier. The plan was intended to "snag" customers that would have otherwise gone elsewhere... When the contract was up for renewal, they would be more likely to stay with Sprint, rather than leave.

I don't know how well that plan worked--but given that SERO is now $50+, I'd say that they are learning from their mistakes...

Hell, SERO users are paying less than pre-paid phones in the gas station... and they are scraping the barrel with MVNO goodness...

[decypher44]

I bet most people will--as well--since the Pre is worth it, (supposedly.)

If not, they will stick with their older devices..

Although, as it was pointed out, the language in the press release is mildly different than for the Instinct. Who really know what will happen. All I know, is I am set, regardless of what happens.

Check the poll results in this very thread. Granted, it is only polling those on this site, but at 61% currently saying no to ditching SERO for the Pre, I'd say that your assumption could be off.

And to those that say SERO users are leechers, or obtained it wrongly, Sprint frakkin set up another email address to use 2 Christamses ago so that the Sprint reps could sign all the people they wanted (holidays@sprint.com) There was no "loophole". Sprint actively went after folks to sign up using SERO as a major enticement.

[ScrapMaker]

Sprint actively went after folks to sign up using SERO as a major enticement.

I wouldn't go THAT far...

I'd say they used it as more of a last-resort thing... if they couldn't seal the deal.

Then people who don't even know an employee started signing up... not exactly what is was intended for.

but hey, at least Sprint got a few customers--that clearly are not loyal whatsoever, and their plan of getting people to stay after the discounts are gone, obviously failed.

[ManUtd7]

Check the poll results in this very thread. Granted, it is only polling those on this site, but at 61% currently saying no to ditching SERO for the Pre, I'd say that your assumption could be off.

And to those that say SERO users are leechers, or obtained it wrongly, Sprint frakkin set up another email address to use 2 Christamses ago so that the Sprint reps could sign all the people they wanted (holidays@sprint.com) There was no "loophole". Sprint actively went after folks to sign up using SERO as a major enticement.

You're using facts and logic. That doesn't work here. :tu:

[ScrapMaker]

I have SERO & will not purchase the Pre if I can't keep my SERO plan 58 61.70%

I call B.S. on this. As soon as the phone is released and people start getting jealous of others flaunting it, many of these SERO people will jump ship to get the latest and greatest. That's what happened with the iPhone. Do you really think people WANT to pay twice the price for half the service?

[decypher44]

From user eryeal in another thread points this out very well:

Here's the original text from one of the "free" Sero promotions that Sprint ran. If they call you and harass you about being disconnected, quote them this:



Limited Time! Sprint Offering Valentine's Day Employee Referral Pricing to the Public - starts Jan 30. Pickup a PocketPC or MS Smartphone from Sprint.



To take advantage of exclusive pricing, visit www.sprint.com/sero (http://www.sprint.com/sero) and use the open access email address of holiday@sprint.com.



You can then choose from a huge selection of phones and broadband cards with device and service pricing normally reserved only for family and friends.



• Exclusive Sprint Employee Referral Offer plans starting as low as $30/month. Other monthly charges apply.*

Hurry! Although Sprint may extend, this offer currently ends Feb. 28, 2007.



* This offer requires a new device with activation of a new line of service and two-year subscriber agreement. Subject to credit approval. Up to $36 activation & $200 early termination fees apply per line. Offers available at website only; see other details/restrictions at www.sprint.com/sero (http://www.sprint.com/sero).

[ScrapMaker]

From user eryeal in another thread points this out very wel:

I have a feeling that most didn't sign up in that 2 month window--but it's not really important.

As pointed out before, (part of a SERO user justification,) the reason the plan costs less, is because it has less features...

A feature it (potentially) lacks is the ability to have a Pre on it. If that is the case, then no SERO user can be upset. It's the choice they made.

[decypher44]

I have a feeling that most didn't sign up in that 2 month window--but it's not really important.

As pointed out before, (part of a SERO user justification,) the reason the plan costs less, is because it has less features...

A feature it (potentially) lacks is the ability to have a Pre on it. If that is the case, then no SERO user can be upset. It's the choice they made.

First, Sprint removed the 6 referrals per employee limit back then. They wanted to sign up as many people as they could.

Second, do you even KNOW what different features SERO plans had?

Varying levels of voice minutes.....check
Unlimited Nights & Weekends at 7pm....check (you could even upgrade to 6pm)
Unlimited Text......check
Unlimited Data......check
Unlimited Picturemail....check
GPS for $10......check
Basic SprintTV....check

The only thing missing is/was unlimited voice. And that option clearly isn't needed for most SERO users.

I was being pretty level-headed the other day trying to reason with you and that SRT owner. But honestly, you two are the only ones that keep on ragging on SERO users. And when you do, you two usually have your facts and assumptions all wrong.

I know that you have claimed (as well as laursifer and SRT guy) that your main complaint is SERO users whining about possibly not getting the Pre. However, I would say that I have seen the vast majority of SERO posters saying "I hope I'm able to get the Pre on my SERO"(not whining). I've actually only seen 1 or 2 people saying "Oh, I'm gonna GET this on my SERO. Just you watch). Honestly, only 1 or 2.

As I said the other day, and still feel this way, any SERO user that whines about not being able to get the Pre on their SERO plan should just buck up and appreciate what they already have. Hoping is one thing. But whining and complaining and threatening to leave Sprint is something else.

[ScrapMaker]

Second, do you even KNOW what different features SERO plans had?

Varying levels of voice minutes.....check
Unlimited Nights & Weekends at 7pm....check (you could even upgrade to 6pm)
Unlimited Text......check
Unlimited Data......check
Unlimited Picturemail....check
GPS for $10......check
Basic SprintTV....check

The only thing missing is/was unlimited voice. And that option clearly isn't needed for most SERO users.

Not exactly helping your cause... Only pushing it closer to not breaking-even.

I was being pretty level-headed the other day trying to reason with you and that SRT owner. But honestly, you two are the only ones that keep on ragging on SERO users. And when you do, you two usually have your facts and assumtions all wrong.

I know that you have claimed (as well as laursifer and SRT guy) that your main complaint is SERO users whining about possibly not getting the Pre. However, I would say that I have seen the vast majority of SERO posters saying "I hope I'm able to get the Pre on my SERO"(not whining). I've actually only seen 1 or 2 people saying "Oh, I'm gonna GET this on my SERO. Just you watch). Honestly, only 1 or 2.

I don't have my facts wrong.

Facts:
1) Sprint barely makes anything of SERO users.
2) No one knows if Sprint will keep SERO users from activating the Pre.
3) This is hilarious.

[decypher44]

Scrap -

My "cause" is to try and reason with the 2 or 3 people that bag on SERO users for some unknown logical reason.

---and---


1) Sprint made it (SERO) available. Plain and simple. What they make was up to them.

2) Not yet. But I think we all feel that it's gonna be that way.

3) I agree.

[ManUtd7]

Facts:
1) Sprint doesn't make as much on SERO users as SEP users


Fixed that for you.

[decypher44]

....
but hey, at least Sprint got a few customers--that clearly are not loyal whatsoever, and their plan of getting people to stay after the discounts are gone, obviously failed.


Anyone who chooses to place their loyalty for a phone company over their own finances and family is someone I honestly would never understand.

Also, please try to remember that not all people are as financially well off as you may be. We can't all happily switch over to a $99/mo plan.

[ScrapMaker]

Anyone who chooses to place their loyalty for a phone company over their own finances and family is someone I honestly would never understand.

Also, please try to remember that not all people are as financially well off as you may be. We can't all happily switch over to a $99/mo plan.

I thought people had decided that the wording was such that it seemed that SEP would NOT be required?

...and I'm not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but SEP costs me less than my Grandfathered-Vision plan, overall... if I went over on that plan, I got SCREWED... I had several $200 bills with that plan... now I can just sit back and relax. Plus it's a business expense.

Of course people aren't all rich, but at the same time, if they are buying cutting-edge technology, perhaps money could be better-spent.

That's a whole new discussion though.

I still like one of the earlier analogies... You can't get a Dodge Viper and put 87-octane in it... if that's what Sprint/Palm wants to do with the Pre--then it's out of all of our hands...

[BrucePDA]

I wouldn't go THAT far...
I'd say they used it as more of a last-resort thing... if they couldn't seal the deal.

Then people who don't even know an employee started signing up... not exactly what is was intended for.

but hey, at least Sprint got a few customers--that clearly are not loyal whatsoever, and their plan of getting people to stay after the discounts are gone, obviously failed.

First off, I have a SERO plan. I used to pay full price (read - no discounts on anything for 5 years) for my service until a friend of mine that worked for Sprint signed me up. I voted in the poll if I couldn't get the Pre and keep my SERO I would forgo the Pre.

I call B.S. on this. As soon as the phone is released and people start getting jealous of others flaunting it, many of these SERO people will jump ship to get the latest and greatest. That's what happened with the iPhone. Do you really think people WANT to pay twice the price for half the service?

Wrong, not everyone will. I never wanted an iPhone. I'm still here with Sprint and have no plans on going anywhere.


I don't have my facts wrong.

Facts:
1) Sprint barely makes anything of SERO users.


That is purely your fact unless you work for Sprint in their accounting office you have no idea how much Sprint makes off SERO users.

We have 2 lines on SERO and on an average month we may use a combined 150 minutes of talk time, 200-300 text messages and 15-20mb of data. I'm sure there are more users like us and Sprint is making plenty.

And for the record, SERO was offered to non-employee referrals as has been discussed several time a couple years ago. Why Sprint doesn't convert everyone to a SERO plan and only sell a SERO plan is beyond me. They would have more users than Verizon and AT&T combined if they did.

[NM08SRT8]

First off, I have a SERO plan. I used to pay full price (read - no discounts on anything for 5 years) for my service until a friend of mine that worked for Sprint signed me up. I voted in the poll if I couldn't get the Pre and keep my SERO I would forgo the Pre.



Wrong, not everyone will. I never wanted an iPhone. I'm still here with Sprint and have no plans on going anywhere.



That is purely your fact unless you work for Sprint in their accounting office you have no idea how much Sprint makes off SERO users.

We have 2 lines on SERO and on an average month we may use a combined 150 minutes of talk time, 200-300 text messages and 15-20mb of data. I'm sure there are more users like us and Sprint is making plenty.

And for the record, SERO was offered to non-employee referrals as has been discussed several time a couple years ago. Why Sprint doesn't convert everyone to a SERO plan and only sell a SERO plan is beyond me. They would have more users than Verizon and AT&T combined if they did.
So, you speak for everyone? Just because you didn't make the switch, doesn't mean every other carrier lost tons of customers to the iPhone...

[parazitu22]

And for the record, SERO was offered to non-employee referrals as has been discussed several time a couple years ago. Why Sprint doesn't convert everyone to a SERO plan and only sell a SERO plan is beyond me. They would have more users than Verizon and AT&T combined if they did.

Because they are a business not a charity :tu: sorry, I had to say it. Too much complaining from both sides on this issue.

[decypher44]

Referring back to the poll above, really only the first two questions are worth noting. As of this posting, that's 60-6 on people who would keep SERO and pass on the Pre (if necessary).

Or,

91% keep SERO
9% switch for Pre


And now that I have read some more quotes supposedly made by Sprint reps, it seems way more likely that SEP will be required.


"2.) What will Pre service plans look like?
The Pre's data plans will be more like the Samsung Instinct's plans than any other Sprint phone model, a Sprint rep said."

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2338583,00.asp

[ScrapMaker]

And now that I have read some more quotes supposedly made by Sprint reps, it seems way more likely that SEP will be required.


"2.) What will Pre service plans look like?
The Pre's data plans will be more like the Samsung Instinct's plans than any other Sprint phone model, a Sprint rep said."

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2338583,00.asp

Great move on Sprint's part--if it's true. (In terms of being a COMPANY.)

I can't wait to have my Pre... it's a shame some people won't make the switch...

[Hemond]

Although the Pre sure looks good, there is no possible way I would give up SERO for it. My priorities in a carrier are low cost, good connectivity, reliable signal. Everything else comes second.

That being said, many of SERO's features have become important to me. GPS (especially Live Search),email, and web access. ( Little use for texting, ringers, or picture mail though)

If I can get the Pre without disturbing my SERO account , I 'll surely be 1st in line, but if not then so be it. SERO/Sprint despite some of the inconveniences beats everything else out there hands down. Its the ultimate cellular value.

If you build your cellular experience around the handset instead of the service, then you are merely purchasing a status symbol.

[Emanon]

Great move on Sprint's part--if it's true. (In terms of being a COMPANY.)

I can't wait to have my Pre... it's a shame some people won't make the switch...

Think we will have to wait and see if it is a good move or not. Sprint has already lost some of its subscriber base and if they begin forcing SEP plans if you want to upgrade your phone on its customers I think they will lose even more.

[Emanon]

Referring back to the poll above, really only the first two questions are worth noting. As of this posting, that's 60-6 on people who would keep SERO and pass on the Pre (if necessary).

Or,

91% keep SERO
9% switch for Pre


And now that I have read some more quotes supposedly made by Sprint reps, it seems way more likely that SEP will be required.


"2.) What will Pre service plans look like?
The Pre's data plans will be more like the Samsung Instinct's plans than any other Sprint phone model, a Sprint rep said."

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2338583,00.asp

That article is from Jan 9th and I'm sure plenty has changed. Heck I even wonder if Sprint knows what packages they will offer yet.

[celsa]

Add 1 more to those who would opt to keep plan over pre if push comes to shove. Would I love to have a pre? Oh yeah!! Is the Mogul shabby? Not at all and the additional cost over two years doubled and approaching $1000 - that's a lot of good times or basics if the economy continues to tank.

[grrrrrrr]

Great move on Sprint's part--if it's true. (In terms of being a COMPANY.)

I can't wait to have my Pre... it's a shame some people won't make the switch...

What's fascinating about you is why you care so much about people with other plans. I think by now we all know that you will be eligible for the Pre should Sprint decide to require a SEP and that you will be gloating once you get it. You make sure to mention it in every single thread that mentions SERO. Good for you. Enjoy the phone. But the fact that you even give a **** about the people who have other plans and whether or not they should or shouldn't get the Pre is just fascinating.

I've never seen anyone with such a hard-on for something.

[cwfluke]

Great move on Sprint's part--if it's true. (In terms of being a COMPANY.)

I can't wait to have my Pre... it's a shame some people won't make the switch...

Why is this a good move for Sprint as a "company"? I will grant you that Sprint doesn't make as much on SERO users (or even worse some other grandfathered plans) however you must believe that they aren't LOSING money on your typical SERO user. So.....they COULD continue to make a small amount of money on me (and other SERO users) for two more years and allow me to buy and activate a Pre at a higher price than someone who signed up for an SEP contract. Financially speaking as a company I would think they wouldn't want me (and other SERO customers to leave) and spend our money, even if it is more per month, with another wireless company - call me crazy. However, if Sprint's plan is to get rid of us SERO users and they actually ARE losing money (which I HIGHLY doubt) then this is the right way to go about it.

This is the same thing that happened with the Instinct. I actually almost left Sprint because of principle (not because of money) because I was never given a good reason as to why I couldn't activate the Instinct on my plan. I have everything that is required for the phone and it boiled down to Sprint wanting me to pay more than double for the same plan with a DIFFERENT NAME. I was very disappointed initially, but after reading reviews of the phone, absolutely ecstatic that I was not allowed to get it on my SERO plan - saved me a lot of headaches. Fact is, I would be willing to bet that most (see poll 90% - 10%) would keep their cheaper plan and forgo ANY phone. I don't care if it woke me up, made my breakfast, shaved and dressed me every morning. Actually - I might be switching to an SEP for that kind of service! :)

[ScrapMaker]

If you build your cellular experience around the handset instead of the service, then you are merely purchasing a status symbol.

iPhone, anyone? ;)

What's fascinating about you is why you care so much about people with other plans. I think by now we all know that you will be eligible for the Pre should Sprint decide to require a SEP and that you will be gloating once you get it. You make sure to mention it in every single thread that mentions SERO. Good for you. Enjoy the phone. But the fact that you even give a **** about the people who have other plans and whether or not they should or shouldn't get the Pre is just fascinating.

I've never seen anyone with such a hard-on for something.

Hell yes, if I get the phone and others are too stubborn, or for whatever reason refuse to change, of course I will show it off... I'm paying the premium service, I might as well enjoy the fruits... That would be like someone buying a Viper and keeping it in the garage it's whole life...

Why is this a good move for Sprint as a "company"? I will grant you that Sprint doesn't make as much on SERO users (or even worse some other grandfathered plans) however you must believe that they aren't LOSING money on your typical SERO user.

Thing is--I don't believe that. Sprint could easily be losing money on SERO users, but their goal was to entice people to stay with Sprint through the long-haul--which obviously did not work. I think Sprint stands to make MORE money, overall, by requiring this plan, on THIS phone, and any other new cool/awesome/hi-tech device... The people they will lose will be neglible compared to the revenue stream they will be aquiring from SEP+ plans. Sprint probably makes more from one SEP user than from 10 SERO users combined.

Also, it's not like SERO people are going to leave... they are going to want their super-cheap plan... if they get fed up with not getting to have cool, new phones, then they will check out the competition, and quickly realize that they are getting a great deal, and nothing else compares.

So.....they COULD continue to make a small amount of money on me (and other SERO users) for two more years and allow me to buy and activate a Pre at a higher price than someone who signed up for an SEP contract.

I can understand your perspective, but I doubt you would be willing to pay $899, or whatever it is, to reach Sprint's goal per-user... They obviously plan on the recurring SEP monetaries... What's the maximum you would pay? $1,000 for the phone? $1,500?

Financially speaking as a company I would think they wouldn't want me (and other SERO customers to leave) and spend our money, even if it is more per month, with another wireless company - call me crazy. However, if Sprint's plan is to get rid of us SERO users and they actually ARE losing money (which I HIGHLY doubt) then this is the right way to go about it.

I'd bet they are close to breaking even with (the old) SERO. Not a humungous loss, but compared to what they SHOULD be making, it's a great deal less. As mentioned previously, Sprint is not a charity, they are a cellular provider.

This is the same thing that happened with the Instinct. I actually almost left Sprint because of principle (not because of money) because I was never given a good reason as to why I couldn't activate the Instinct on my plan. I have everything that is required for the phone and it boiled down to Sprint wanting me to pay more than double for the same plan with a DIFFERENT NAME. I was very disappointed initially, but after reading reviews of the phone, absolutely ecstatic that I was not allowed to get it on my SERO plan - saved me a lot of headaches. Fact is, I would be willing to bet that most (see poll 90% - 10%) would keep their cheaper plan and forgo ANY phone. I don't care if it woke me up, made my breakfast, shaved and dressed me every morning. Actually - I might be switching to an SEP for that kind of service! :)

Every carrier has the same sort of plan. AT&T has the "rip-you-a-new-one" plan for the iPhone... and even requires insane data rate packages on PDA phones...

Verizon is just as bad, plus they cripple their phones...

T-Mobile is still a joke, from a data standpoint... plus, from what I had read, you still need a special plan for the G1.

Sprint will do whatever it takes to survive, and they know the Pre is a phone people WILL SWITCH FOR.

[the.traveller]

So.....they COULD continue to make a small amount of money on me (and other SERO users) for two more years and allow me to buy and activate a Pre at a higher price than someone who signed up for an SEP contract.

Fact is, I would be willing to bet that most (see poll 90% - 10%) would keep their cheaper plan and forgo ANY phone. I don't care if it woke me up, made my breakfast, shaved and dressed me every morning. Actually - I might be switching to an SEP for that kind of service! :)

....Yea but would it put TP over your cuts?

How much more would you pay for your pre in order to keep your plan? Assuming that you would still be required to renew your contract for 2 years, would you pay the non-contract price? (probably 500+)

[ScrapMaker]

....Yea but would it put TP over your cuts?

How much more would you pay for your pre in order to keep your plan? Assuming that you would still be required to renew your contract for 2 years, would you pay the non-contract price? (probably 500+)

If they wanted to offer it to non-SEP/non-contract people, then the equivalent price would have be closer to a grand.

If the price is going to be $199, with SEP/2-year... and we can all agree that for most users, Sprint makes more money off SEP... over two years, at $99, they are definitely planning on making a certain amount of money on the phone... even if it's not up-front.

So if the others are willing to pay that same amount up-front, I bet Sprint would think about it...

or not, because they don't have to...

[yabo]

....Yea but would it put TP over your cuts?

How much more would you pay for your pre in order to keep your plan? Assuming that you would still be required to renew your contract for 2 years, would you pay the non-contract price? (probably 500+)

Yes. 30 bucks a month vs 99 bucks a month times 12 months = 828 dollars. This doesn't consider taxes, or surcharges, or any of that other fun stuff that costs me 25 bucks per month extra on my bill.

I'll GLADLY pay 599 upfront to save a total of 1057 over the 2 year contract. (and that's not even taking into account a subsidized price).

[sureynot]

You have absolutely NO idea how much money Sprint makes off of SERO customers so please don't act as if you do. And to state that SERO customers are somehow "leechers" and then claim to have a plan that's both signficantly cheaper with more features, is the epitome of hypocrisy and is quite possibly the most comical post I've seen on here for a long time.......and there have been some doozies!
Reading comprehension skills would help here..

You and I both know Sprint makes VERY little or nothing on SERO. Don't pull the "you and I don't know so let's not asssume" card.

I mentioned that I had a great plan yes, but then I mentioned I'm not going to complain if/when they get rid of it. Nor if a hot phone comes out and they make me switch over to an everything plan, will I cry and make 100 posts about it like I see in the forums. I also won't think it's my god given right for sprint to kiss my ass and try to make me stay over a lousy $20 a month

Also, I got my plan because I am involved with sales of Sprint. Most people who have SERO just manipulated the system because they know Sprint was giving it out like crazy.

[ScrapMaker]

Yes. 30 bucks a month vs 99 bucks a month times 12 months = 828 dollars. This doesn't consider taxes, or surcharges, or any of that other fun stuff that costs me 25 bucks per month extra on my bill.

I'll GLADLY pay 599 upfront to save a total of 1057 over the 2 year contract. (and that's not even taking into account a subsidized price).

$99-$30=$69

$69*24months=$1656.

You would have to pay $1,656 for your Pre for it to be even. Not considering that a SEP user will probably use slightly more minutes--but that's not necessarily a given.

So somewhere between $1,200 and $1,656...

anyways, it comes down to the fact that it would be impossible to ask people to pay that much, and that's what they are expecting to make (thereabouts,) off each person in the next two years... then why would they sacrifice all that? It's easier on them to just enforce the SEP.

[Quill]

Play nice or points will be issued and the thread will be closed.

[ScrapMaker]

I'd like to point out that I have cheap-o friends--so I don't hate them all that much--I'd say, highly annoyed. Especially when people tip less than 20%...

I constantly find myself having to compensate the tip when I go out with (certain) friends... pisses me off...

...and while I do love a good controversy, I believe that there should be more loyalty these days... I choose Sprint because througout the years, they have not let me down--ever. I get great coverage, great services, and at a better price than the competition.

I am PROUD to be a loyal Sprint customer that will not jump ship at the first minor inconvenience. I look at the bigger picture. Even if AT&T offered a better plan right this second, with a better phone, I'd still stay with Sprint, because I know that they will have something better, soon enough--they always have.

This is similar how I am PROUD to own other products, and use other services in my life. Why would I buy something simply because it's the cheapest? I research everything--including the company itself, before I do business.

This is the perfect opportunity to rub something in AT&T/iPhone users' faces... So not only does my phone NOT squeal in every speaker it can find, but I get the same, if not better coverage, and better data coverage. I also find that voice calls even sound better on Sprint, versus AT&T or T-Mobile... but that is not based on long-term tests or anything.

I see SERO as an attack on Sprint's livelihood... regardless of how it began, or if Sprint "sort of" pushed it, it ended up being a screw-up. Sprint is not making money off SERO, no matter how you stack the chips. I want Sprint to survive. I like competition--it's healthy.

I'll leave it with this thought. If the $30 SERO plan was making Sprint money, they would offer it in retail. They would PUSH THE HELL OUT OF IT... They would take everyone from the other carriers. Now, why don't they do this? Obviously, because these plans don't make money... they make word-of-mouth advertising, and get people on Sprint that MIGHT stay, even if they lose these discounts... So, if the SERO plans aren't making Sprint money, that means that they are taking money from the rest of us, to support the SERO plans. Sounds a bit like Welfare to me.

Please just stop/don't start whining about the Pre not allowing SERO plans. That's all anyone is asking. No SERO user should feel entitled to the Pre.

[ScrapMaker]

Play nice or points will be issued and the thread will be closed.

10-4. I have nothing else to say here. Really, neither does anyone else, until Sprint makes an announcement.

[decypher44]

Now we're at
92% stay with Sero
8% switch plans for Pre

[cwfluke]

Reading comprehension skills would help here..

You and I both know Sprint makes VERY little or nothing on SERO. Don't pull the "you and I don't know so let's not asssume" card.

I mentioned that I had a great plan yes, but then I mentioned I'm not going to complain if/when they get rid of it. Nor if a hot phone comes out and they make me switch over to an everything plan, will I cry and make 100 posts about it like I see in the forums. I also won't think it's my god given right for sprint to kiss my ass and try to make me stay over a lousy $20 a month

Also, I got my plan because I am involved with sales of Sprint. Most people who have SERO just manipulated the system because they know Sprint was giving it out like crazy.

My reading comprehension skills are just fine, thanks. Truth is I haven't the slightest clue as the the operating cost that Sprint incurs per minute or per kilobyte of data. If anyone has any numbers - bring them on. I have yet to see anything about this however so why would I even attempt to guess? Everything I've read about texts is that they cost next to nothing for a wireless carrier to send. Data is a different story, as well as voice minutes.

All I know is that I use on average about 100-150 peak minutes a month. Comparatively, that's NOTHING next to heavy talkers that are on the phone constantly. I would be willing to bet that my cost per minute ratio is MUCH better for Sprint than some SE customers that talk thousands of minutes a month. Are those customers "abusing the system" as well? Not at all. Yet nobody chooses to pick on them because they are willing to pay a higher bill. Even if they only use 1000 minutes (I know plenty of people that talk way more) and pay $99 a month, their cost ratio is TWICE what mine is for talking 150 minutes and paying $30 a month! So why am I a leecher? Please explain! I'm REALLY interested? Because I got in on a plan that was intended to garner more customers for Sprint? Or because I'm not exactly keen on the idea of paying the equivalent of about $0.66 PER MINUTE of talk time to get a seemingly cool phone?!

[laursifer]

Okay, one last final statement... I wish SERO never existed based solely on the hell people bring to this forum over that damn plan.

This thread is for SERO concerns related to the Palm Pre. Obviously, until Sprint comes out with an official word of whether or not you'll be able to buy the Pre and keep your SERO plan, everything is up in the air.

However, if you'd like to argue about SERO in general, we have a SERO forum specifically for that (http://sprintusers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=120). It's gotten to the point where allowing those discussions here has led to some people attacking each other. Over a freakin' Sprint plan.

So if you have anything useful to add to this thread, please do so. If this ridiculous banter continues, this thread will be closed until we hear that official word from Sprint. I'm not threatening anyone, but I'm not going to keep a thread open that newcomers might want to read for information when they'll instead be met with pages of arguments that don't give them any of the information they're looking for. SERO is always a hot topic and that's why this thread was created... let's try to keep it a friendly hot topic.

[decypher44]

Okay, one last final statement... blah, blah, blah.

You are the harshest mod I have ever seen. I like you, but damn girl.

I think that this has been a pretty healthy debate. Sure, there are a couple of people who talk out of their butt trying to belittle a group of people, but we can take it.

[laursifer]

Perhaps you didn't have a chance to read the dozens of posts that have been deleted (thankfully, because we don't want people to see behavior like that). We've let a lot of the belittling slide and that stuff is still here. You can think I'm harsh if you want, you're entitled to your opinion and I take no offense to it--sometimes being a mod requires getting "harsh" because when we are nice about things, people apparently don't take it seriously. There are a lot of things many viewers miss because they've been deleted before you got a chance to see them.

[cwfluke]

I'll leave it with this thought. If the $30 SERO plan was making Sprint money, they would offer it in retail. They would PUSH THE HELL OUT OF IT... They would take everyone from the other carriers. Now, why don't they do this? Obviously, because these plans don't make money... they make word-of-mouth advertising, and get people on Sprint that MIGHT stay, even if they lose these discounts... So, if the SERO plans aren't making Sprint money, that means that they are taking money from the rest of us, to support the SERO plans. Sounds a bit like Welfare to me.


And here I was right with you until the welfare comment. That's an absolutely absurd analogy and I hope (although I doubt) that you don't seriously believe that. There are just as many plans that exist out there that are cheaper than SERO plans, than SERO plans themselves - are you paying for them as well? Are the people paying $99 a month for services they don't need or use paying for you?! By your reasoning they are. It all boils down to cost-benefit analysis. Clearly if Sprint wanted to cancel cheap plans, they would. They would only have to get ONE new customer for every two SERO users that canceled. They haven't canceled the existing plans so clearly they are making SOME money.

I, for one, will not leave Sprint even if they do get rid of SERO. No reason to. It just amazes me how people without SERO care so much. I wouldn't dream of telling anyone they should or shouldn't be able to get a phone on your plan - I don't care what plan you have. You expect me to pay twice as much as I am paying now for the SAME plan, out of the goodness of my heart?! Seriously?! Give me a break. Sprint is NOT a charity - I give plenty to charities as it is and Sprint isn't one of them!! I'm giving my money for services rendered (how ever small the profit margin) to a company that is more than happy to take my money every month and who has probably garnered them a customer for life. That doesn't mean that I will gladly give up my $30 a month plan to pay $70, $80, $100 a month because of a phone. Or because uninformed people call me a "leecher" or imply somehow that I'm a lesser person and on welfare because of my cell phone plan. Seriously.....how dare I be an informed consumer who seeks out the best deal available. That's crazy talk!! Or........is that basic microeconomics and game theory......not sure which. :ohcrap:

[grrrrrrr]

Okay, one last final statement... I wish SERO never existed based solely on the hell people bring to this forum over that damn plan.

This thread is for SERO concerns related to the Palm Pre. Obviously, until Sprint comes out with an official word of whether or not you'll be able to buy the Pre and keep your SERO plan, everything is up in the air.

However, if you'd like to argue about SERO in general, we have a SERO forum specifically for that (http://sprintusers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=120). It's gotten to the point where allowing those discussions here has led to some people attacking each other. Over a freakin' Sprint plan.

So if you have anything useful to add to this thread, please do so. If this ridiculous banter continues, this thread will be closed until we hear that official word from Sprint. I'm not threatening anyone, but I'm not going to keep a thread open that newcomers might want to read for information when they'll instead be met with pages of arguments that don't give them any of the information they're looking for. SERO is always a hot topic and that's why this thread was created... let's try to keep it a friendly hot topic.

No one is attacking anyone. If you want to call being called out for the truth an attack then I guess that's your prerogative.

As far as newcomers looking for information, I'm quite certain that they can find whatever they are looking for in the copious amount of threads that exist in this forum.

You may have a point regarding the placement of some of these posts. However, when there is a message that needs responding to then it gets responded to in the topic in which it exists.

You may not like it but debate is a part of a forum. You call it an attack, then so be it. But, forums are a place for opinion and expression and you are hindering that from being able to be accomplished.

I'm guessing that this will be my 3rd consecutive post to be deleted by you and that's fine. Hopefully, you'll see another point of view before exacting your mod powers.

[cwfluke]

I'm guessing that this will be my 3rd consecutive post to be deleted by you and that's fine. Hopefully, you'll see another point of view before exacting your mod powers.

Dude - has poking a bear with a stick typically worked for you in the past?!

[laursifer]

*sigh* Okay... I'll clarify my earlier post so that people don't continue to get the wrong impression of the point of it. There have been strings of posts that required being deleted because all they consisted of was name-calling and contributed nothing to the topic.

No one is attacking anyone. If you want to call being called out for the truth an attack then I guess that's your prerogative.

One page prior to this one, we had an instance where one member made a post that called another member a douche. That was all there was to the post. I know you're aware of this because you responded to it. [The post and the replies to it were deleted.] When people post stuff like that, or call other people stupid or otherwise insult one another, that's completely unnecessary. These are the things I'm referring to, and I apologize for that not being clear.

I do, and have always, encouraged debates. But not when they start getting rude. I realize sometimes people get a little passionate about things, and you can see from reading this thread alone, that the mods let some of those little personal attacks slide.

I'm guessing that this will be my 3rd consecutive post to be deleted by you and that's fine.

For the record I've not deleted any of your posts. Another mod took care of those. I'm not saying I wouldn't have deleted them, as I'm not sure which ones were deleted other than the one I mentioned earlier.

Edit: I'll add to this, since I specifically brought up the name-calling instance one page prior to this so others would understand the situation very clearly, that grrrrrrr's response was not a 'problem post,' so to speak, but was deleted because it referenced a post that was deleted.

[decypher44]

Perhaps you didn't have a chance to read the dozens of posts that have been deleted (thankfully, because we don't want people to see behavior like that). We've let a lot of the belittling slide and that stuff is still here. You can think I'm harsh if you want, you're entitled to your opinion and I take no offense to it--sometimes being a mod requires getting "harsh" because when we are nice about things, people apparently don't take it seriously. There are a lot of things many viewers miss because they've been deleted before you got a chance to see them.


laursifer:

Apparently, my light tone doesn't come across on the screen. I was just messin'. I think out of all the posters here, you have done the most for us (especially us Centro users). That's why I said "dang, girl!". If you heard me saying it, you'd know I meant it as a compliment. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[decypher44]

Dude - has poking a bear with a stick typically worked for you in the past?!


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

[laursifer]

laursifer:

Apparently, my light tone doesn't come across on the screen. I was just messin'. I think out of all the posters here, you have done the most for us (especially us Centro users). That's why I said "dang, girl!". If you heard me saying it, you'd know I meant it as a compliment. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

LOL it's all good... My post was harsh, I guess. For me I actually think it was pretty mild-mannered. I live up to the 'cliche' that Irish people have bad tempers :p But I also often forget that when we moderators make posts about people needing to play nice, we're referencing posts that have since been deleted, so a lot of viewers are unaware of the things we've seen that they haven't. So I think you & grrrrrrr were right to call me out (for lack of a better term) on that because otherwise people will think I'm discouraging the debates and opinions related to the topic, when that's not the case. So hopefully I've been able to clarify what exactly we're trying to avoid (which I'll lay out one more time for kicks: name-calling and personal attacks--especially those suggesting one's level of intelligence).

[htowngator]

Looks like scrapmaker is still on his vigilante quest to make people pay $70/month more for the SEP ultd plan like he did.

As I've said dozens of times before, I got this plan from Sprint and they were happy to give it to me. I did not twist their arms, blackmail them, or anything of that nature. They were more than happy to sign a new 2-yr contract (two of them in fact for my wife and I) and take a customer from a rival. Now that they've got me they want to change my plan for a new phone? It's one of the reasons that I never wanted the iPhone -- a locked in plan that they dictate. I don't use many minutes per month (maybe 200-300), but I load up on the data, email, txts, etc.

Now, I know I will eventually have to switch to a new plan (likely by December when my 2-yr contract runs out if Sprint doesn't let me renew my SERO), but if I don't have to then that's awesome. Maybe some of you shouldn't get so worked up by SERO customers hoping to keep a good thing especially in this economy.

[ScrapMaker]

Looks like scrapmaker is still on his vigilante quest to make people pay $70/month more for the SEP ultd plan like he did.

As I've said dozens of times before, I got this plan from Sprint and they were happy to give it to me. I did not twist their arms, blackmail them, or anything of that nature. They were more than happy to sign a new 2-yr contract (two of them in fact for my wife and I) and take a customer from a rival. Now that they've got me they want to change my plan for a new phone? It's one of the reasons that I never wanted the iPhone -- a locked in plan that they dictate. I don't use many minutes per month (maybe 200-300), but I load up on the data, email, txts, etc.

Now, I know I will eventually have to switch to a new plan (likely by December when my 2-yr contract runs out if Sprint doesn't let me renew my SERO), but if I don't have to then that's awesome. Maybe some of you shouldn't get so worked up by SERO customers hoping to keep a good thing especially in this economy.

If by "vigilante quest," you mean "doesn't care at all, and hasn't mentioned it in a while, and has never once tried to force anyone to pay more," then yes, you are exactly right.

You can get off your horse now, it's been dead for a while.

[NM08SRT8]

If you're so worried about the economy, maybe a cell phone isn't a smart move for you right now. Spending no money is better than saving some money..

On another note, You can bash SEP all you like, the fact is, it's the best damn bang for your buck, even better then SERO, IMO. I'm happy to pay $99 for everything... and to be rewarded with the option to purchase the Pre at no penalty to my plan.

Let's think of it like this, shall we?

You go to a casino, you play very well, spend a lot there, win a lot there... You're considered a "High Roller" (among having money). What does the casino do when you dish out the cash? You get free stuff, rooms, food, attractions, accommodations, shows, etc

Average joe-hobo walks in the casino, puts his life savings down on the tables, "HEY JIM, I BET $5", What does the casino do? They laugh at him, give him a crap hand, they take his cash and he's out $5. Meanwhile, he's wondering why the guy next to him, just got escorted by two liaisons to his new presidential suit.

Now, I hope for the sake of not having to hear all you SERO customers bit$% and complain about how you feel Sprint "cheated" you out for whatever reason, I hope you are available to get the Pre. I also believe, as of now, we DO KNOW that a data plan will be required, because it's such a data intensive phone, hence the "A Data Plan is HIGHLY Recommended, or else additional charges may apply." SO, I think you SERO people will be ok, for now. There is still several weeks for it to get approved through FCC before Sprint starts to talk anymore about this device. Engadgetmobile keeps a close eye on FCC approvals, we will have one today (aka FCC Fridays). So just hang in there guys/gals, hopefully you'll get rewarded for your loyalty to Sprint. But also remember, They shut down SERO offers, so they might not be as generous as they are trying to phase your set of plans out, over time. Also which is why they started SEP, among other things..

[petehead]

...You can bash SEP all you like, the fact is, it's the best damn bang for your buck...

If you have extremely high usage, then yes, it's a good bang for your buck. But, as other posters have said, some people don't use more than 200 minutes, don't watch Sprint TV, don't send/receive 1000 texts, don't use a crazy high amount of data. For people like that, an everything plan is excessive.

[ScrapMaker]

If you have extremely high usage, then yes, it's a good bang for your buck. But, as other posters have said, some people don't use more than 200 minutes, don't watch Sprint TV, don't send/receive 1000 texts, don't use a crazy high amount of data. For people like that, an everything plan is excessive.

Either that, or they get pirated versions of software, including SprintTV ;)

It feels good to be 100% legit and have no stolen software on my phone. I even paid for sMMS, PhoneWeaver, PocketCM Keyboard, and S2U2. Even though most of that can be free...

Pay it forward!

[htowngator]

If you're so worried about the economy, maybe a cell phone isn't a smart move for you right now. Spending no money is better than saving some money..

On another note, You can bash SEP all you like, the fact is, it's the best damn bang for your buck, even better then SERO, IMO. I'm happy to pay $99 for everything... and to be rewarded with the option to purchase the Pre at no penalty to my plan.

Let's think of it like this, shall we?

You go to a casino, you play very well, spend a lot there, win a lot there... You're considered a "High Roller" (among having money). What does the casino do when you dish out the cash? You get free stuff, rooms, food, attractions, accommodations, shows, etc

Average joe-hobo walks in the casino, puts his life savings down on the tables, "HEY JIM, I BET $5", What does the casino do? They laugh at him, give him a crap hand, they take his cash and he's out $5. Meanwhile, he's wondering why the guy next to him, just got escorted by two liaisons to his new presidential suit.

Now, I hope for the sake of not having to hear all you SERO customers bit$% and complain about how you feel Sprint "cheated" you out for whatever reason, I hope you are available to get the Pre. I also believe, as of now, we DO KNOW that a data plan will be required, because it's such a data intensive phone, hence the "A Data Plan is HIGHLY Recommended, or else additional charges may apply." SO, I think you SERO people will be ok, for now. There is still several weeks for it to get approved through FCC before Sprint starts to talk anymore about this device. Engadgetmobile keeps a close eye on FCC approvals, we will have one today (aka FCC Fridays). So just hang in there guys/gals, hopefully you'll get rewarded for your loyalty to Sprint. But also remember, They shut down SERO offers, so they might not be as generous as they are trying to phase your set of plans out, over time. Also which is why they started SEP, among other things..


I can pay for the $99 plan, but why should I ever do that? I guess frugality isn't something that concerns you. When have I "based" SEP? It's great if you want unlimited minutes, but why should people have to be locked into them simply because you say so? Even if I wasn't with SERO, I wouldn't want to pay $99 for a phone plan when I can get the same thing for $60-$70 with limited minutes that I don't even use. Get the idea?

I've said it many times -- if I have to switch to a SEP for the Pre then I'd probably wait till my contract runs out to see what my options were at that time. By then who knows what phones will be out and what competitors will price their stuff at? I can wait, and I don't mind.

FYI, no one has been bashing the SEP, but just Sprint forcing people into plans simply just "because". Anyway, I've seen plenty of SERO user bashing (like your statement about how we're "b*tching" about our circumstances) which is why responses like mine come along.

[htowngator]

If by "vigilante quest," you mean "doesn't care at all, and hasn't mentioned it in a while, and has never once tried to force anyone to pay more," then yes, you are exactly right.

You can get off your horse now, it's been dead for a while.

LOL. Sure you don't care at all. That might be the funniest thing I've heard here.

[Matt]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I don't know what the problem is here, but don't let this thread get reported again.

[ScrapMaker]

eh, I say let this thread burn to the ground... no helpful information in it anyways...

Either Sprint will require the plan, (but not "force" anyone into it, which keeps being thrown around a lot,) or they won't.

[NM08SRT8]

I can pay for the $99 plan, but why should I ever do that? I guess frugality isn't something that concerns you. When have I "based" SEP? It's great if you want unlimited minutes, but why should people have to be locked into them simply because you say so? Even if I wasn't with SERO, I wouldn't want to pay $99 for a phone plan when I can get the same thing for $60-$70 with limited minutes that I don't even use. Get the idea?

I've said it many times -- if I have to switch to a SEP for the Pre then I'd probably wait till my contract runs out to see what my options were at that time. By then who knows what phones will be out and what competitors will price their stuff at? I can wait, and I don't mind.

FYI, no one has been bashing the SEP, but just Sprint forcing people into plans simply just "because". Anyway, I've seen plenty of SERO user bashing (like your statement about how we're "b*tching" about our circumstances) which is why responses like mine come along.
I said nothing about you being required to get the $99 plan, there are still two other price options for you that can also benefit from a Corporate discount. I had $89 SEP before, with my Wells Fargo discount, I was paying about $40 a month. Not bad if you ask me, that's on par with SERO, with more minutes and unlimited everything else.

[NM08SRT8]

eh, I say let this thread burn to the ground... no helpful information in it anyways...

Either Sprint will require the plan, (but not "force" anyone into it, which keeps being thrown around a lot,) or they won't.
Exactly bro. *high 5*

[laursifer]

If you have extremely high usage, then yes, it's a good bang for your buck. But, as other posters have said, some people don't use more than 200 minutes, don't watch Sprint TV, don't send/receive 1000 texts, don't use a crazy high amount of data. For people like that, an everything plan is excessive.

There are variations of the SE plan. I'm on the 450 SE plan at $49.99/month. It's like $69.99 now though, listed as "Everything Data." But there are cheaper ones than the $99.99/month one. For all it includes, they are great plans at a great price.

[KingCoop]

There are variations of the SE plan. I'm on the 450 SE plan at $49.99/month. It's like $69.99 now though, listed as "Everything Data." But there are cheaper ones than the $99.99/month one. For all it includes, they are great plans at a great price.

I think that part of the confusion comes into play because most consumers call all of the "Everything" plans Simply Everything plans or SE plans for short. There is only one Simply Everything plan and it is $99.99. There are numerous Everything plans that cater to different needs.

You are on a 450 Everything plan at $49.99/month.

[laursifer]

Exactly. I wanted to make sure people are aware that the $99.99/month plan isn't the ONLY one.

[petehead]

There are variations of the SE plan. I'm on the 450 SE plan at $49.99/month. It's like $69.99 now though, listed as "Everything Data." But there are cheaper ones than the $99.99/month one. For all it includes, they are great plans at a great price.

That is the "Everything Plus" plan, no? I know that you can get that at the new "SERO" price of $59.99, but I didn't know it could be had for $49.99.

[laursifer]

That is the "Everything Plus" plan, no? I know that you can get that at the new "SERO" price of $59.99, but I didn't know it could be had for $49.99.

Could be had... I signed up for it I think the day after it came out, and I believe even then it was $59.99 but I got it for $49.99--did it through eCare and usually if I express financial concern they cut me really great deals. I can't remember if I got a deal on the plan or if it was $49.99 already, but the tiny bit of memory I have from when I was going through switching plans, I think they cut me a deal. But, like I said in my other post, it's $69.99 now on Sprint's site. I'd still sign up for it at that price, though. I wish they had an Everything plan with less than 450 minutes though. I hardly ever talk on the phone, especially during the day.

[cwfluke]

I wish they had an Everything plan with less than 450 minutes though. I hardly ever talk on the phone, especially during the day.

I couldn't agree more......but they don't. I'd sign up for the 250 minute everything plan for $30 a month in a heartbeat. Oh wait......I kinda already have that in my four letter word plan. :thought: If you use GPS, Sprint TV, Music, etc. and talk on the phone for several hours per month, then the SE plan is a great plan. For those like myself (who use nothing but about 2 hours of talk a month, data and texts) its not the greatest when you compare your usage to cost ratio to others who use all their minutes and perhaps talk for 1000+ minutes a month. Maybe they can use the carry over minute thing like that evil company - then I would save like 350 minutes a month and could just get data and texts after like a year! :lol:

[bobbiem]

When I was in my store today they told me that the Pre will require plan change for those on SERO.... UGH! But that Palm PRO will not...

[decypher44]

Well, the latest info from the disclaimer at the bottom of the Pre page on Sprint's site references that SEP will be required (although, there are conflicting sentences after that). If this is so, then there will no PRE for me.

[ScrapMaker]

Well, the latest info from the disclaimer at the bottom of the Pre page on Sprint's site references that SEP will be required (although, there are conflicting sentences after that). If this is so, then there will no PRE for me.

I guess Sprint realized this was the winning strategy. That sucks for SERO users who don't want to change.

[decypher44]

Well, not for users who DON'T want to change, but can't afford to.

[cwfluke]

Well, the latest info from the disclaimer at the bottom of the Pre page on Sprint's site references that SEP will be required (although, there are conflicting sentences after that). If this is so, then there will no PRE for me.

Speculating whether or not the Pre will require a plan change based on two completely contradictory statements on a website is like speculating about when it will be released based on "inside sources" or what a specific sprint rep said. :frustrate

[petehead]

I guess Sprint realized this was the winning strategy. That sucks for SERO users who don't want to change.

It certainly coincides with Dan trying to milk ARPU.

[ScrapMaker]

Well, not for users who DON'T want to change, but can't afford to.

I assume you meant SERO users that want the phone, but can't afford to change?


Sorry, I just teared up a little. Maybe we can start a fund or something?

[cwfluke]

I assume you meant SERO users that want the phone, but can't afford to change?


Sorry, I just teared up a little. Maybe we can start a fund or something?

That would be SWEET! I'll keep paying the $30 a month and you can pay the extra $40 for the SE equivalent to ensure I'm not costing Sprint money and can get the Pre no problem! :headbang2

I kid, I kid

In all seriousness though, if its Sprints goal to get rid of SERO and lower ARPU plans (which I CAN understand actually), then shouldn't they stop allowing us SERO users and lower ARPU contract holders to re-up for another two years?!?!?! Why use phone envy as a method of doing this? If I continue on this SERO plan with a Diamond or my Q9C, I'm not going to use any more minutes or any more data or any more texts if I get the Pre. (Well, probably initially because I'll be playing with it all the time, but in the long run it will average out to my existing usage.) They will still be making very little money off of me (or losing as some have implied). If they want me to not have the plan anymore, don't allow me to re-up for two years. Just don't use the Pre as a weapon!!! :bang:

[petehead]

Maybe we can get something set up where we can sell our SERO plans if we get an everything plan for the Pre. Certainly, my SERO plan is worth $200-$300...

[cwfluke]

Maybe we can get something set up where we can sell our SERO plans if we get an everything plan for the Pre. Certainly, my SERO plan is worth $200-$300...

Actually on a 2-year contract ($40 a month difference) its worth $960!!!!

[petehead]

It's worth what someone will pay and there's one way to find out. Ebay, here I come!

[ScrapMaker]

Phone envy is the only reason people upgrade.

[NM08SRT8]

Well, not for users who DON'T want to change, but can't afford to.
But yet you can afford a new phone? You can afford to have a cell phone? If you can barely afford your $40 plan, maybe getting a new phone isn't your biggest concern right now.

[eden922]

But yet you can afford a new phone? You can afford to have a cell phone? If you can barely afford your $40 plan, maybe getting a new phone isn't your biggest concern right now.

well that depends, if they were to get the 2 year upgrade then the phone will be cheaper, but if put you on the SEP then you will pay $960 for the 2 years extra. so its not barely affording $40 its if you can pay almost $1000 for the plan

[NM08SRT8]

Even at that, he still can't afford the plan that's required to have the phone.

You can't buy my car, for example if you can't afford the Premium fuel that goes in it. And I can almost guarantee there are some of you on here who have cars that say "Premium Fuel Only", meanwhile you're at the pump with $$$ signs in your eyeballs because you're seeing how much you're "saving" by putting regular.

[eden922]

Even at that, he still can't afford the plan that's required to have the phone.

You can't buy my car, for example if you can't afford the Premium fuel that goes in it. And I can almost guarantee there are some of you on here who have cars that say "Premium Fuel Only", meanwhile you're at the pump with $$$ signs in your eyeballs because you're seeing how much you're "saving" by putting regular.

you do bring up a good point, well we will just have to wait and see if you can get the phone without SEP and just get unlimited data plan on your plan

[patchs]

I'll pay extra for the Pre versus losing SERO.
My SERO plan is $720 for 2 years, the cheapest SE plan is $1,680.
I'm sorry, but $1,000 is a good piece of change to me.
I can afford $300 for the Pre but that's about it.
I'm glad my contract ends in May so I have a little bargaining power.

[NM08SRT8]

I have SEP so I'm not worried one bit, BUT in any event, I think that's how Sprint should have it set up. You know? I've said that hundreds of times on here in numerous of other threads (not attacking you)... but I've had tons of people agree too.

[decypher44]

OK - Two of you (and you know who you are) fail at math. The price of a new phone is quite less than paying for a full blown SEP over two years. I've done the math for you before. If you can't figure it out on your own, use the search function to find it.

And there is BIG difference between $30/mo and $90/mo.


And to make sure I don't get banned, I'll keep my final response here to myself.

[ScrapMaker]

OK - Two of you (and you know who you are) fail at math. The price of a new phone is quite less than paying for a full blown SEP over two years. I've done the math for you before. If you can't figure it out on your own, use the search function to find it.

And there is BIG difference between $30/mo and $90/mo.


And to make sure I don't get banned, I'll keep my final response here to myself.

You can do the math, if you want--and I'll do the common-sensing.

From Sprint's website, regarding the Pre:

Requires activation on an Everything Plan with data.

Where did you see anything about having to get the more-expensive plan?

Everything Data
Maximize your phone's potential with unlimited data, Direct Connect and messages.

This plan includes
Unlimited data: Web surfing, email, BlackBerry Internet Services (BIS), GPS Navigation, Music Premier, TV Premier, NFL Mobile Live, NASCAR Sprint Cup MobileSM
Unlimited Direct Connect: Direct Connect and Group Connect (for capable phones)
Unlimited messaging: Text, pictures and video
Talk: Unlimited mobile to mobile, night calling and weekends starting at 7 p.m., nationwide long distance and no roaming charges
More about what's included in this plan

Anytime Minutes Monthly Price Additional Anytime Minutes
450 $69.99 45¢/min
900 $89.99 40¢/min


I'm not sure what everyone keeps going on about.

SERO Plan
$599 phone
$30 x 24 months
= $1319


Everything 450 Plan
$150 phone
$69.99 x 24 months
= $1829.76

$510.76 more over two years, and you get all of Sprint's features.

[NM08SRT8]

don't forget to mention, if you have a corporate discount, you get the % off the two lower SEP plans (450 mins and 900 mins)

[ScrapMaker]

don't forget to mention, if you have a corporate discount, you get the % off the two lower SEP plans (450 mins and 900 mins)

True, my discount doesn't work on the SEP, but it does on the lower plans.

What's funny is that I have an unlimited plan, but I also have 150 "bonus minutes," that reps have given me for no reason over the years.

One time I called, asking if I could switch to the SEP plan, because I was going over--(before it was officially released,) and they said they could not do it, but they could credit me back my overages, and give me more bonus minutes..

I fail to see how anyone can think Sprint CS is bad.

[cwfluke]

I'm not sure what everyone keeps going on about.

SERO Plan
$599 phone
$30 x 24 months
= $1319


Everything 450 Plan
$150 phone
$69.99 x 24 months
= $1829.76

$510.76 more over two years, and you get all of Sprint's features.

I'd be more than willing to pay full price for the phone - doesn't even have to be from Sprint, could be from Best Buy, ebay, a friend, etc. I don't expect anything extra from Sprint as they've already allowed me to have a killer plan. Just wish I'd have that option.....but I won't because I seriously doubt it will work that way. It'll either be you get a discount for re-upping for 2 years (regardless of plan) or you'll be required to switch to an SE plan. :indiff:

And (at least in my instance) its not about the issue of being able to "afford" to switch. I can afford it no problem. My problem is, when I do the math its hard to justify spending $1000 for the RIGHT to use a phone. I'm spoiled with my plan - if I was never on SERO, I wouldn't know the difference......but I am, and the justification is almost impossible for me to make - even despite my new phone whore-ish-ness. Unless they'd just force everyone off of SERO - then my decision would be easy!

If they'd FORCE me, I'd switch. But until I'm forced, I'll be left with hoping phones can be activated on any plan and then being very disappointed and complaining on forums like these when they can't! :tu:

[ScrapMaker]

I'd be more than willing to pay full price for the phone - doesn't even have to be from Sprint, could be from Best Buy, ebay, a friend, etc. I don't expect anything extra from Sprint as they've already allowed me to have a killer plan. Just wish I'd have that option.....but I won't because I seriously doubt it will work that way. It'll either be you get a discount for re-upping for 2 years (regardless of plan) or you'll be required to switch to an SE plan. :indiff:

This raises an interesting question.

What if a SERO user DOES want to switch, but they aren't due for an upgrade?

Do you think Sprint will still give them the upgrade discount, for upgrading to the right plan?

[cwfluke]

This raises an interesting question.

What if a SERO user DOES want to switch, but they aren't due for an upgrade?

Do you think Sprint will still give them the upgrade discount, for upgrading to the right plan?

I think if Sprint is smart - if ANY low ARPU customer is wanting to upgrade and switch to an SE plan, they'd be making a mistake by not offering them a discount on a phone to sign a 2-year SE contract. If they do the math, they will come out on top, most assuredly.

[ScrapMaker]

I think if Sprint is smart - if ANY low ARPU customer is wanting to upgrade and switch to an SE plan, they'd be making a mistake by not offering them a discount on a phone to sign a 2-year SE contract. If they do the math, they will come out on top, most assuredly.

agreed. Although I've seen nearly ever carrier do something that makes absolutely no sense, including Sprint.

See, the Everything plan makes sense---so I can go with that, but if they don't let SERO users upgrade and get the $150 discount, then I think they would lose a bit of Pre sales...

[cwfluke]

agreed. Although I've seen nearly ever carrier do something that makes absolutely no sense, including Sprint.

See, the Everything plan makes sense---so I can go with that, but if they don't let SERO users upgrade and get the $150 discount, then I think they would lose a bit of Pre sales...

Of course if word gets around that SERO users or users with old plans who aren't up for upgrade were given a discount on the phone, then those on the SE plans who aren't up for an upgrade will wonder why they don't get the same treatment. At least I know if I was on an SE plan 1 year into my contract, and my friend who was on a $30 SERO plan was also 1 year into his contract and he was offered a discounted price and I was offered nothing........someone would have some SERIOUS explaining to do! You can't alienate your higher ARPU customers so its tricky.

[ScrapMaker]

Of course if word gets around that SERO users or users with old plans who aren't up for upgrade were given a discount on the phone, then those on the SE plans who aren't up for an upgrade will wonder why they don't get the same treatment. At least I know if I was on an SE plan 1 year into my contract, and my friend who was on a $30 SERO plan was also 1 year into his contract and he was offered a discounted price and I was offered nothing........someone would have some SERIOUS explaining to do! You can't alienate your higher ARPU customers so its tricky.

Right, you would have to upgrade EVERYONE. ;)

Or if you were a Premier member, you could upgrade every year anyways.

[NM08SRT8]

Right, you would have to upgrade EVERYONE. ;)

Or if you were a Premier member, you could upgrade every year anyways.
Like me :)

[ScrapMaker]

Like me :)

I qualify on all aspects of Premier. I have been a member for over 6 months, before it was even announced. I didn't know what it was, really, and I never renew my contract, but oh well!

I might be able to convince my company to pay the unsubsidized price, for the freedom.

10 years, no subsidized phone. Maybe what keeps me here, (aside from great service/prices,) is the fact I can leave at any moment, and I know it. It's like having a girlfriend, for most guys... They love having no commitment, even if they are with them for a while... the second they want marriage, or to get more serious... PEACE! ;)

[NM08SRT8]

I got some mail on it, and the requirements were a line totaling over $99 I think and/or 10+yrs of being a customer.

[ScrapMaker]

I got some mail on it, and the requirements were a line totaling over $99 I think and/or 10+yrs of being a customer.

plan of $99 or higher for 6 months or longer, I believe.

[ookees]

Ok I don't remember if this was the real reason the Instinct required the everything plan, but I thought it had to do with the way the visual voice mail worked on the Instinct.

http://www.phonenews.com/instinct-requires-sprint-99-unlimited-plan-3067/

Look at it this way, no other PDA phone since the Instinct required the everything plan. If Sprint was trying to get people to hop on this everything plan bandwagon they would have done so with the Touch and Touch Pro.

I am going to hopeful and say that Palm wants to sell as many as possible, they are in trouble right now and the economy is making it worse for them. I would say that Palm is not going to let Sprint do this to the Pre, they need to be seen as the true iPhone killer, something the instinct was not. Also Sprint is in trouble as well, and they are not gonna alienate customers they can't afford to lose especially with the hype behind the Pre, something the Instinct did not have. Sprint needs us more than we need them, and if they are smart they will do this right for both Palm and Sprint's sake.

[patchs]

Makes me glad since my contract ends May 11, I'm eligible for my upgrade on March 1 (according to my account on Sprint.com).
The second that sucker comes out, I'm calling CS to get it (and knock on wood, keep my SERO).

[ScrapMaker]

Makes me glad since my contract ends May 11, I'm eligible for my upgrade on March 1 (according to my account on Sprint.com).
The second that sucker comes out, I'm calling CS to get it (and knock on wood, keep my SERO).

I am fairly confident that you can work out something with retentions :)

[patchs]

I am fairly confident that you can work out something with retentions :)

I hope so, I love Sprint, yes, because of SERO, but the coverage has been better than I expected. I blew off VZW after 14 years to go to Sprint and I want to remain.
I am thrilled that my upgrade kicks in when the Pre is coming out, great timing.

[runagun]

Good luck With That Buddy. Don't feel bad if ur left with ur Wood in ur hand ;)


Makes me glad since my contract ends May 11, I'm eligible for my upgrade on March 1 (according to my account on Sprint.com).
The second that sucker comes out, I'm calling CS to get it (and knock on wood, keep my SERO).

[Eyecon82]

You can do the math, if you want--and I'll do the common-sensing.

From Sprint's website, regarding the Pre:



Where did you see anything about having to get the more-expensive plan?



I'm not sure what everyone keeps going on about.

SERO Plan
$599 phone
$30 x 24 months
= $1319


Everything 450 Plan
$150 phone
$69.99 x 24 months
= $1829.76

$510.76 more over two years, and you get all of Sprint's features.

I rather save the $500 and go on a vacation

[ScrapMaker]

I rather save the $500 and go on a vacation

I'm sure the iPhone people felt the same way, but of course, AT&T didn't budge, and the phone is highly successful.

[Eyecon82]

no matter how much I want the pre to succeed...I highly doubt you can compare it with the Iphone....that phone was truly revolutionary

[ScrapMaker]

Revolutionary, in terms of marketing--that's about it.

Honestly, it didn't offer anything above any other handset out at the time... It was just a dumbphone with a capactive screen with a pretty (and very basic) looking UI.

Once the 'wow' wears off of the UI, you had an average dumbphone. Now that they have the 3G model out, you have an average dumbphone with Exchange support, (like all Sprint phones already have.)

I am convinced that it succeeded on marketing and not much else.

[cwfluke]

I am convinced that it succeeded on marketing and not much else.

And blind Apple fanboys who would buy the crappiest cell phone on the face of the planet if it had Apple branding on it. Not saying the iPhone is crappy at all - i'm just saying. Fom the ones I've played with shortly, it seems to be a pretty nice phone. Just not worth changing to AT&T.......for me anyway

[Eyecon82]

Revolutionary, in terms of marketing--that's about it.

Honestly, it didn't offer anything above any other handset out at the time... It was just a dumbphone with a capactive screen with a pretty (and very basic) looking UI.

Once the 'wow' wears off of the UI, you had an average dumbphone. Now that they have the 3G model out, you have an average dumbphone with Exchange support, (like all Sprint phones already have.)

I am convinced that it succeeded on marketing and not much else.

First off, I am completely anti-apple...I just own an Ipod (I would have gotten another mp3 player..but let's face it...Ipod is the best out there)

The phone was revolutionary in terms of touch screen capability..let's face it.....It has a beautiful screen and it is very slim....and it integrated the Ipod and phone in one device

I really hope this WebOS blows everything else out of the water

[ScrapMaker]

First off, I am completely anti-apple...I just own an Ipod (I would have gotten another mp3 player..but let's face it...Ipod is the best out there)

The phone was revolutionary in terms of touch screen capability..let's face it.....It has a beautiful screen and it is very slim....and it integrated the Ipod and phone in one device

I really hope this WebOS blows everything else out of the water

I hope so too..

Although, The HTC Touch had a pretty nice screen, and was very thin as well, and release before the iPhone... It just wasn't marketed properly.

If the Touch had shipped with TF2D on it, I think it would have been a pretty big hit.

[Eyecon82]

Although, The HTC Touch had a pretty nice screen, and was very thin as well, and release before the iPhone... It just wasn't marketed properly.


The HTC Touch is kinda crappy IMO
it has WinMO...WinMO cripples everything

[cwfluke]

WinMO cripples everything

I'll be honest - that's the first time I've ever heard that. WinMO specifically allows you to customize things most operating systems don't - at least in my experiences.

[Eyecon82]

WinMO phones freeze..restart...stop working...crash..and everything else you can imagine. I would say the BB OS is the most customizable OS to so far...you can customize everything..it honestly takes like 30 minutes to customize my ringer profiles on it...its awesome

PalmOS is guilty of it as well

[cwfluke]

WinMO phones freeze..restart...stop working...crash..and everything else you can imagine. I would say the BB OS is the most customizable OS to so far...you can customize everything..it honestly takes like 30 minutes to customize my ringer profiles on it...its awesome

PalmOS is guilty of it as well

So "unstable" might be a better adjective than "cripples" then?

[Eyecon82]

So "unstable" might be a better adjective than "cripples" then?
No..I would say cripple is a good adjective...it slows down the phone..even with powerful processors

I have a buddy who's working in Motorola dealing with putting android on all their phones....He's always bringing phones home for constant testing.....android is awesome! the phone is soo so fast, while the same phone with WinMO is crapping out all the time

If you haven't already heard...Motorola is ditching WinMO and going all android

[ScrapMaker]

Windows Mobile doesn't cripple anything--it's just not nearly as suitable for cellular use. Keep in mind it was developed well over a decade ago, then just modified to work on phones. It was designed for embedded solutions, and for devices like my HPC that I bought in 1997. It runs many POS systems, and signs in airports, etc.

30 minutes to customize your ringtones? With my Touch, I just copy over my ringtone folder from my SD card, and restore my contacts from PIM Backup, and BLAMMO, it's all done. Takes maybe 2 minutes, and we are talking over 100 individual ringtones for each contact.

Then it takes about another 5 minutes for me to copy over my sound effects for Voicemail/etc, and install PhoneWeaver to control it all.

After a hard-reset, it takes me about 5-10 minutes to be fully-operational.

About another 30 minutes and my phone is fully customized, including registry tweaks, and little oddities that I like.


It's hard to completely dog Windows Mobile, because it's so open and customizable, but it does take some serious hardware to run properly. I can't wait for WebOS, because frankly, it will push Microsoft to release WM7 faster.

I see myself with WebOS for the next year or so, then switching to WM7. I don't ever see myself with Android--and one of those reasons is I don't like a company completed centered around taking your personal information, and profitting from it by selling it to the highest bidder.

No thanks. The furthest I will go is gmail. I will never put contacts, calendar, notes, or any kind of document on that service.

I'll keep my true Exchange server with it's encryption and non-Google-eye-prying features.

[Eyecon82]

see...that's just the problem with WinMO..you need to do registry hacks, tweaks, etc....with BB you don't need to do that

It seems you are well versed with customizing a phone, but most users aren't.. I wasted enough time trying to get my PalmOS phone to work properly..turned to BB and everything has been perfect...

I hope webOS can do this...if so..I'll switch...and if they allow it on SERO...my plan is way to good to give up just for a phone

For me..its plan first..phone second

[mfreiert]

I love being on SERO (despite poor coverage in my condo), but I've been salivating over an iPhone since they launched.

I've been waiting patiently for Sprint to come up with something remotely competitive and it looks the wait should be over with the Pre (actually, in some ways it sounds better), but if Sprint plans on tying some lame upgrade in order to use it I'm gone.

[cwfluke]

I've been waiting patiently for Sprint to come up with something remotely competitive and it looks the wait should be over with the Pre

Actually the wait has just started.......and is in full effect. Might STILL be waiting in June for all anyone else knows.

[mfreiert]

Actually the wait has just started.......and is in full effect. Might STILL be waiting in June for all anyone else knows.

It was more about the glimmer of hope for me. Until CES, Sprint was the only major cell company that didn't have something similar to the iPhone: AT&T had iPhone, T-mobile had the G1, Verizon had the (now proven to be kinda crappy) Storm, while Sprint sat on the sidelines. I don't mind waiting a few months for an awesome phone...as long as I can keep SERO

[decypher44]

101 No
9 Yes

[ScrapMaker]

101 No
9 Yes

Sweet, that ought to take care of the supply-shortage problem that we've been hearing rumors of.

[decypher44]

Sweet, that ought to take care of the supply-shortage problem that we've been hearing rumors of.

Fine by me. My upgrade option doesn't kick in until November anyways.

[NM08SRT8]

see...that's just the problem with WinMO..you need to do registry hacks, tweaks, etc....with BB you don't need to do that

It seems you are well versed with customizing a phone, but most users aren't.. I wasted enough time trying to get my PalmOS phone to work properly..turned to BB and everything has been perfect...

I hope webOS can do this...if so..I'll switch...and if they allow it on SERO...my plan is way to good to give up just for a phone

For me..its plan first..phone second
I would say the more accurate way to say that is, "see that's the difference between WinMo and RIM". It's hardly a problem..

[Eyecon82]

I would say the more accurate way to say that is, "see that's the difference between WinMo and RIM". It's hardly a problem..

I wouldn't say so...no one wants to spend countless hours customizing their phone....it should work with your needs right out of the box

[Matt]

<--- peeks in

[NM08SRT8]

I wouldn't say so...no one wants to spend countless hours customizing their phone....it should work with your needs right out of the box
Apparently so since it's 1) So successful, 2) there's a whole site, (Two actually, XDA Developers and PPCGeeks.com) that are dedicated to such a thing and last I checked, it was hoppin with people doing tons of things to their phones.

The phone does work out of the box, It's just that people love customizing things to their liking, which is what you can do. Again, Like I said.. It's hardly a problem... it's more of a preference.

[Eyecon82]

Apparently so since it's 1) So successful, 2) there's a whole site, (Two actually, XDA Developers and PPCGeeks.com) that are dedicated to such a thing and last I checked, it was hoppin with people doing tons of things to their phones.

The phone does work out of the box, It's just that people love customizing things to their liking, which is what you can do. Again, Like I said.. It's hardly a problem... it's more of a preference.
we both have our differing opinions...lets leave it at that

[Matt]

That would be smart.

[meatpopsicle]

I wouldn't say so...no one wants to spend countless hours customizing their phone....it should work with your needs right out of the box

Which, of course, is impossible; being that everyone's needs are unique.

Having, by far, the most software available and being, by far, the most customizable are the biggest things WinMo has going for it. Which is why I am currently pretty content with my touch.

[Eyecon82]

Which, of course, is impossible; being that everyone's needs are unique.

Having, by far, the most software available and being, by far, the most customizable are the biggest things WinMo has going for it. Which is why I am currently pretty content with my touch.

yea...but im sure you deal with massive freezes and lags and have to do constant battery pulls.....so all those tweaks and hacks are screwing up the registry...it really doesnt help then if you can tweak it properly

I haven't restarted my device for almost 45 days now...and I had to restart it 45 days ago becasue of software installation...try to beat that on a WinMo phone

[NM08SRT8]

Dude, this thread is about SERO Concerns, Not why you think WM is a crap device and platform..

[Eyecon82]

Dude, this thread is about SERO Concerns, Not why you think WM is a crap device and platform..
If I recall...aren't you the one that dug up my old post and had to comment on it? which resulted in the other user commenting?

So ..stop being the catalyst..and expect to put out the flames

[NM08SRT8]

It was just on the prior page to this... Sorry, My mistake

[ScrapMaker]

yea...but im sure you deal with massive freezes and lags and have to do constant battery pulls.....so all those tweaks and hacks are screwing up the registry...it really doesnt help then if you can tweak it properly

I haven't restarted my device for almost 45 days now...and I had to restart it 45 days ago becasue of software installation...try to beat that on a WinMo phone

Dude, this thread is about SERO Concerns, Not why you think WM is a crap device and platform..

Would it help if I told you that you were both VERY right?

[rjmoose]

Everyone be respectful, behave courteously or warnings will be given and points will be issued!!!

We don't need a pissing contest....geez!!!!!!

[cwfluke]

Everyone be respectful, behave courteously or warnings will be given and points will be issued!!!

We don't need a pissing contest....geez!!!!!!

:clap:I wonder if people go back and forth enough we can get a second thread closed?! See what happens when there's no information released, Sprint? People start to get all crazy and have nothing to do but argue about things that will never be resolved!! :frantic: I rue the day that Palm announced this at CES - I wish they would have just waited until about a month before they were releasing it and actually announced a release date - like any NORMAL cell phone company would do. :bang:

[ScrapMaker]

:clap:I wonder if people go back and forth enough we can get a second thread closed?! See what happens when there's no information released, Sprint? People start to get all crazy and have nothing to do but argue about things that will never be resolved!! :frantic: I rue the day that Palm announced this at CES - I wish they would have just waited until about a month before they were releasing it and actually announced a release date - like any NORMAL cell phone company would do. :bang:

If they had waited, there wouldn't be this kind of ruckus going on for it.

[sjones]

:clap:I wonder if people go back and forth enough we can get a second thread closed?! See what happens when there's no information released, Sprint? People start to get all crazy and have nothing to do but argue about things that will never be resolved!! :frantic: I rue the day that Palm announced this at CES - I wish they would have just waited until about a month before they were releasing it and actually announced a release date - like any NORMAL cell phone company would do. :bang:


i wonder what some people will do after the release, they seem to have so much spare time showing concerns over the "pre's" this, that and whatever.

I assume next the threads and thoughts will be negative, because of the tissy people are getting themselves over an unreleased product not living up to their expectations

[the.traveller]

...I wish they would have just waited until about a month before they were releasing it and actually announced a release date - like any NORMAL cell phone company would do. :bang:

If they did that, it would be all the more time for people to say....Man Palm hasn't done anything new in 800 years....And they're stock would continue to fall (not that this economy isn't a big contributing factor)

If they could, they would have probably announced at CES 2008!



OFFTOPIC: has anyone actually participated in a real pissing contest? Was it for duration? or distance? I've heard the phrase used so often....and never in its literal sense....Has it always just been a metaphorical thing?

[cwfluke]

OFFTOPIC: has anyone actually participated in a real pissing contest? Was it for duration? or distance? I've heard the phrase used so often....and never in its literal sense....Has it always just been a metaphorical thing?

Distance, silver medal, 8 and under :cup:

[Diana Prince]

I often wonder about the mentality of an adult who criticizes based on the theory of "not that I want what you have (I really do), but I hate that you have it". I have SERO and I would suggest to the other folks who have it to simply stop responding to the attacks on the plan. IMO I think attacks on the plan are encouraged, as discipline is usually threatened when a defense is mounted. This is not a SERO friendly site, despite the dedicated threads.

And the culprit who seems giddy about the idea of having the Pre at the dismay of SERO plan holders is no more than interesting...sort of the way a cat who chases a laser point is interesting. Sooner or later you will conquer that red light. Not really...but it is entertaining to watch ya try.

Plans before phones...

[NM08SRT8]

Let me ask you, when you're getting a special plan, why do you think you deserve everything else that us retailers are getting? Explain me this?

[Diana Prince]

Let me ask you, when you're getting a special plan, why do you think you deserve everything else that us retailers are getting? Explain me this?

My post wasn't an invitation to debate with the likes of you. LOL. All you do is flame. You should just ignore me. :hee:

[Eyecon82]

Dude, this thread is about [pre with] SERO Concerns, Not why you think WM is a crap device and platform..

Let me ask you, when you're getting a special plan, why do you think you deserve everything else that us retailers are getting? Explain me this?

Wow...that is what I call hypocrisy.....telling someone else to stay on topic, then getting off-topic yourself

My post wasn't an invitation to debate with the likes of you. LOL. All you do is flame. You should just ignore me. :hee:

Yes he should...especially after he started this thread http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183898

He obviously hates SERO users, no wonder why he's trying to crap this thread

[NM08SRT8]

Listen, I'm asking a simple question.. If you can't answer it, then don't even respond. That simple.

Like I've said a million times, SERO plans are fine but they apparently have limitations that you all can't accept or recognize because you feel it's unfair that Sprint is requiring Everything Plans for this phone like they did with the Instinct. No one said you were entitled to everything. Hell, I'm surprised no one has started a "Why am I not a Sprint Premier" customer?? Why do they get $150 every year, while I get $150 off every two years".

If you all would understand that the phone will more than likely (going off of what their site said) require a SEP plan, and mentions nothing about SERO, then leave it at that. You all come on here to a 3rd party site and cry about why it's unfair.. well, posting here isn't going to do anything.

like I said, I have nothing against SERO plans or the select few people who have their head on right and have just accepted that they can either keep their plan and sacrifice the phone, or vice versa. Those people I respect and applaud because they know it is what it s. Like Diana said, Plan before Phone, right? Threatening to leave, boycott, threaten Sprint, etc is not going to get your way, but being a very childish way to handle things. Wouldn't you all agree? you can say all the negative things you want about me if that makes you feel better, but the fact of the matter is, There is nothing on SERO at this time.. and you all need to live your lives as if you aren't going to be able to get this phone and leave it at that.. and just hope and pray for the best when it launches and hope that you can do this. Because in the end, of all this **** talking.. when you're unable to get that phone on your plan.. then who's going to be the embarrassed one? Like I've said.. I hope you all get this phone.

[ScrapMaker]

You either pony up to get the Pre, or you don't. There isn't really a need for this thread, the constant bickering, and the rampid rumors.

If you want to save the money, stay with SERO, and your old phone. If you're looking to save money, buying a new phone really shouldn't be at the top of your list anyways.

I only disdain the ones that feel entitled to special priviledges--like getting the Pre on a non-qualified plan. Don't feel too bad, as I am sure there were plenty of whining/whiner threads when the Instinct came out as well.

[Eyecon82]

You either pony up to get the Pre, or you don't. There isn't really a need for this thread, the constant bickering, and the rampid rumors.

If you want to save the money, stay with SERO, and your old phone. If you're looking to save money, buying a new phone really shouldn't be at the top of your list anyways.

I only disdain the ones that feel entitled to special priviledges--like getting the Pre on a non-qualified plan. Don't feel too bad, as I am sure there were plenty of whining/whiner threads when the Instinct came out as well.
sorry to say, but the pre isn't the only newest phone out there...when sprint gets the new BB Niagra, I will be all over it...even if I could have the Pre on SERO

[Eyecon82]

Listen, I'm asking a simple question.. If you can't answer it, then don't even respond. That simple.

Like I've said a million times, SERO plans are fine but they apparently have limitations that you all can't accept or recognize because you feel it's unfair that Sprint is requiring Everything Plans for this phone like they did with the Instinct. No one said you were entitled to everything. Hell, I'm surprised no one has started a "Why am I not a Sprint Premier" customer?? Why do they get $150 every year, while I get $150 off every two years".

If you all would understand that the phone will more than likely (going off of what their site said) require a SEP plan, and mentions nothing about SERO, then leave it at that. You all come on here to a 3rd party site and cry about why it's unfair.. well, posting here isn't going to do anything.

like I said, I have nothing against SERO plans or the select few people who have their head on right and have just accepted that they can either keep their plan and sacrifice the phone, or vice versa. Those people I respect and applaud because they know it is what it s. Like Diana said, Plan before Phone, right? Threatening to leave, boycott, threaten Sprint, etc is not going to get your way, but being a very childish way to handle things. Wouldn't you all agree? you can say all the negative things you want about me if that makes you feel better, but the fact of the matter is, There is nothing on SERO at this time.. and you all need to live your lives as if you aren't going to be able to get this phone and leave it at that.. and just hope and pray for the best when it launches and hope that you can do this. Because in the end, of all this **** talking.. when you're unable to get that phone on your plan.. then who's going to be the embarrassed one? Like I've said.. I hope you all get this phone.
I'm not crying...most of us SERO users who wanted a better phone got the free BB pack added on..so most of us will be loyal to blackberry for along time now

who knows? pre might even bomb....the BB storm had some bad press because of their buggy software and Palm has a very LONG history of creating buggy phones

[Diana Prince]

sorry to say, but the pre isn't the only newest phone out there...when sprint gets the new BB Niagra, I will be all over it...even if I could hae the Pre on SERO

Careful Eyecon. You're going to be embarrassed if you don't get the Pre. Then who will be laughing...not you Eyecon...not you.

[ScrapMaker]

sorry to say, but the pre isn't the only newest phone out there...when sprint gets the new BB Niagra, I will be all over it...even if I could hae the Pre on SERO

Yes, you are more than entitled to grab any phone you want.

I wonder if SERO people complain if they have to pay for the BB add-on, or if that comes in the SERO plan? That would be an even better deal that I thought.

[NM08SRT8]

I'm not crying...most of us SERO users who wanted a better phone got the free BB pack added on..so most of us will be loyal to blackberry for along time now

who knows? pre might even bomb....the BB storm had some bad press because of their buggy software and Palm has a very LONG history of creating buggy phones
Storm didn't bomb tho.. It might of had buggy software, but it's since had like 10+ software updates and now look at it.

[Eyecon82]

For me..its plan first..phone second

Listen, I'm asking a simple question.. If you can't answer it, then don't even respond. That simple.

Like Diana said, Plan before Phone, right? Threatening to leave, boycott, threaten Sprint, etc is not going to get your way, but being a very childish way to handle things.

I said that way before Diana said...and you even quoted me in that...so you are clearly losing your mind...when did I ever threaten to leave, boycott, etc? Like I also said...plan before phone...so stop instigating

Here is the quote of you acknowledging I said plan first before...and then you try to put words in my mouth? very childish IMO

Originally Posted by Eyecon82 http://img.sprintusers.com/images/forum/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2058866#post2058866)
see...that's just the problem with WinMO..you need to do registry hacks, tweaks, etc....with BB you don't need to do that

It seems you are well versed with customizing a phone, but most users aren't.. I wasted enough time trying to get my PalmOS phone to work properly..turned to BB and everything has been perfect...

I hope webOS can do this...if so..I'll switch...and if they allow it on SERO...my plan is way to good to give up just for a phone

For me..its plan first..phone second


I would say the more accurate way to say that is, "see that's the difference between WinMo and RIM". It's hardly a problem..

[Eyecon82]

Storm didn't bomb tho.. It might of had buggy software, but it's since had like 10+ software updates and now look at it.

It bombed in the sense that they didn't sell as many as they expected they would...they were aiming for Apple's record

[Eyecon82]

Yes, you are more than entitled to grab any phone you want.

I wonder if SERO people complain if they have to pay for the BB add-on, or if that comes in the SERO plan? That would be an even better deal that I thought.

Unfortunately, many have complained...hence the reason for the BIS on SERO thread

[NM08SRT8]

It bombed in the sense that they didn't sell as many as they expected they would...they were aiming for Apple's record
Everyone is aiming for Apples record.. And it didn't bomb, Just wasn't as successful as they would have hoped like the iPhone, but still did pretty damn good. And I was not focusing on just you pal, which is why there are times I don't quote so I don't make it a specific reply.. duh

[Matt]

Guess this thread will be closed and more people banned by the end of the day. :irked:

[Eyecon82]

Guess this thread will be closed and more people banned by the end of the day. :irked:

awe..come on..we're not flaming each other or anything...just having a debate ;)

[Matt]

I know how "debates" end up and if any of you think for a minute that I am just teasing and having fun with y'all.... think again.

[Eyecon82]

I know how "debates" end up and if any of you think for a minute that I am just teasing and having fun with y'all.... think again.

I know you're serious...I can't speak for others

anyways, this debate is over since Diana and I are not responding to NM08SRT8 anymore

[Matt]

You are aware that this forum software has an ignore feature correct?

[Eyecon82]

You are aware that this forum software has an ignore feature correct?

No, I didn't...I'll definitely have to utilize that. Thanks for the heads up

[Matt]

Very simple. http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/profile.php?do=editlist

[meatpopsicle]

Everyone who WOULD pay 2x their current plan to get the Pre, raise your hand (SERO or not).

[adamlee2001GXE]

First of all, thanks everyone for crashing & forcing my thread to be closed about my protest (that never gained traction) for the EP requirement.

Secondly, No, I will not change plans. I have verified with the retention dept that all of my expired codes will not transfer with a plan change. I will stay with 2 Centros.

[ScrapMaker]

Unfortunately, many have complained...hence the reason for the BIS on SERO thread

Wow I didn't realize that SERO people got that for free, (unless you were implying that they just want it.

Everyone who WOULD pay 2x their current plan to get the Pre, raise your hand (SERO or not).

$199/month would be pretty steep--that would be iPhone pricing... I'd have to pass.

First of all, thanks everyone for crashing & forcing my thread to be closed about my protest (that never gained traction) for the EP requirement.

Secondly, No, I will not change plans. I have verified with the retention dept that all of my expired codes will not transfer with a plan change. I will stay with 2 Centros.

I imagine there are a lot that feel the same way as you... I also bet that there are people who are willing to pay $10 more each month, (at least I think that is what it is,) to switch to the 'SERO' Everything plan...

[grrrrrrr]

Guess this thread will be closed and more people banned by the end of the day. :irked:

Then make us a forum where we can speak freely toward one another. This is ridiculous What one person calls flaming another calls healthy and inspired debate. Have you ever spoken or written passionately about anything? Do you remember what it's like when you engage in a debate with someone that got fairly intense?

Cmon. Give everyone a break with the thread closings and threats of disciplinary action. People on here are simply having a healthy, spirited debate. What in the name of God is wrong with that?

I may not agree with Scrapmaker and NM08SRT8 and their disciples. However, it doesn't mean that none of us are entitled to have a spirited conversation.

Are we not all adults here? Sheesh.

[NM08SRT8]

Then make us a forum where we can speak freely toward one another. This is ridiculous What one person calls flaming another calls healthy and inspired debate. Have you ever spoken or written passionately about anything? Do you remember what it's like when you engage in a debate with someone that got fairly intense?

Cmon. Give everyone a break with the thread closings and threats of disciplinary action. People on here are simply having a healthy, spirited debate. What in the name of God is wrong with that?

I may not agree with Scrapmaker and NM08SRT8 and their disciples. However, it doesn't mean that none of us are entitled to have a spirited conversation.

Are we not all adults here? Sheesh.
I already asked, it wont happen..

[Matt]

Spirited conversation is one thing, but in other threads with these same members it has turned into flame wars.

Adults or not, you will not flame each other on this forum.

That is not up for debate. I will be watching and if flames break out and there will be bans. This includes all parties involved.

[Matt]

I already asked, it wont happen..

That's right. There will be no section created for members to bash/flame/belittle/name call each other.

[grrrrrrr]

Spirited conversation is one thing, but in other threads with these same members it has turned into flame wars.

Adults or not, you will not flame each other on this forum.

That is not up for debate. I will be watching and if flames break out and there will be bans. This includes all parties involved.

You're not my father so I would appreciate it if you didn't speak/write to me as such.

If you are asking if I understand, how could I not? You've made your stance crystal clear.

[Matt]

Good. I am glad we see how things are.

*edit*

http://www.sprintusers.com/guidelines/

1. Disrespecting any member will not be tolerated. Please keep your behavior constructive when using criticism, avoiding insulting members of the board or offending other users. Violating this rule may result in a warning.

Debate away, but keep in mind that guideline that was agreed upon when you signed up for this forum.

[grrrrrrr]

I already asked, it wont happen..

My take on this is that they fear losing advertising if they have a forum where people can actually speak freely.

[Matt]

This forum was never designed to to allow for disrespect/bashing/flaming.

If you want such a forum. Create it. Simple as that.

Back on topic, please.

[pdx77]

My take on this is that they fear losing advertising if they have a forum where people can actually speak freely.

Has nothing to do with advertising, the rules haven't changed since 2002 when the site first started. This forum was never meant to be a flame fest or anything like that; yes healthy debates are fine as long as both parties can be civil about it and not use personal insults. If you want a forum where you are freely able to "debate" topics and not be censored, SprintUsers isn't the place for it, there are other forums out there that allow that.

ok now back on topic :)

[Darrion88]

Wow I didn't realize that SERO people got that for free, (unless you were implying that they just want it.



$199/month would be pretty steep--that would be iPhone pricing... I'd have to pass.



I imagine there are a lot that feel the same way as you... I also bet that there are people who are willing to pay $10 more each month, (at least I think that is what it is,) to switch to the 'SERO' Everything plan...

I believe the original Sero people are paying $30 a month so I understand how upgrading to $60 a month for approximately the same service may be tough for them to accept. I agree though that a compromise would make the most sense in my eyes and I think that a fair price point would be somewhere between $10-15 bucks more per month to already existing plans bringing the cost up to $40-45 per month. I think this would allow Sprint to move people off of Sero while at the same time allowing those users an acceptable alternative. I'm interested to see what others think on this supplemental pricing.

Adam Lee, Meat Popsicle - couldn't agree with you guys more on most of your posts. Keep them coming.

[ScrapMaker]

I believe the original Sero people are paying $30 a month so I understand how upgrading to $60 a month for approximately the same service may be tough for them to accept. I agree though that a compromise would make the most sense in my eyes and I think that a fair price point would be somewhere between $10-15 bucks more per month to already existing plans bringing the cost up to $40-45 per month. I think this would allow Sprint to move people off of Sero while at the same time allowing those users an acceptable alternative. I'm interested to see what others think on this supplemental pricing.

Adam Lee, Meat Popsicle - couldn't agree with you guys more on most of your posts. Keep them coming.


http://www.sprint.com/sero

Is this not exactly what you described?

[Eyecon82]

http://www.sprint.com/sero

Is this not exactly what you described?

aren't the new sero plans $60?

[Eyecon82]

I believe the original Sero people are paying $30 a month so I understand how upgrading to $60 a month for approximately the same service may be tough for them to accept. I agree though that a compromise would make the most sense in my eyes and I think that a fair price point would be somewhere between $10-15 bucks more per month to already existing plans bringing the cost up to $40-45 per month. I think this would allow Sprint to move people off of Sero while at the same time allowing those users an acceptable alternative. I'm interested to see what others think on this supplemental pricing.

Adam Lee, Meat Popsicle - couldn't agree with you guys more on most of your posts. Keep them coming.

Plain and simple....this is a simple act of jealousy on part of these users

they obviously don't like to see other people pay less then them for the same service...there is no way of convincing them otherwise...so what's the point?

[NM08SRT8]

Plain and simple....this is a simple act of jealousy on part of these users

they obviously don't like to see other people pay less then them for the same service...there is no way of convincing them otherwise...so what's the point?
Dude please stop.. We've already been over this, and a mod's even come in here several times to tell us to cool it. Please already..

[Eyecon82]

NM08SRT8
This message is hidden because NM08SRT8 is on your ignore list.

[cwfluke]

NM08SRT8
This message is hidden because NM08SRT8 is on your ignore list.

Yet you're still not ignoring him?! :thought: All he said was stop - and I tend to agree. I have SERO and I've given up trying to defend it. It boils down to the fact that its a heavily discounted plan that Sprint made "widely" available to anyone that did some research. However, perhaps they have taken another look into it and decided that it wasn't a good idea. I will try to keep it as long as I can because its an excellent plan, for a ridiculously low monthly payment, and it fits my needs perfectly. That's a logical course of action - I don't think anyone can deny that. The "SERO haters" that can't see that, will NEVER understand that. The SERO users out there that can't understand why non-SERO holders get tired of hearing SERO people complain, will NEVER understand that. There's really no need to argue about this anymore.

SERO users should recognize that their plan won't be around forever and in 20 years they won't be paying $30 a month for 500 minutes and unlimited everything else. They should enjoy it while they can and consider themselves lucky (as I do) to have it. And if Sprint starts holding some perks away from them (i.e. the Pre) then so be it. SERO haters should also TRY to realize that people with a good plan aren't just going to let it go easily. They will attempt to keep it (and get whatever phone they can on it) as long as they can. Doesn't make SERO haters jealous, and doesn't make SERO holders cheap or entitled - it is simply a logical course of action for both sides.

[Eyecon82]

Yet you're still not ignoring him?!

I accidentally added him onto my buddy list instead of ignore list since both options exist on the same page...lol

but otherwise, good point...however, I think you're wrong on the fact that these are not going to be around much longer....sprint created these plans and with all the grandfathering laws, they are going to have to deal with this beast for at least 10 years from starting it

[meatpopsicle]

I think a good compromise would be to pay full price for the phone. I won't like it, but I'd prefer that over increasing my plan.

[ScrapMaker]

aren't the new sero plans $60?

Perhaps, I thought they were cheaper.

Plain and simple....this is a simple act of jealousy on part of these users

they obviously don't like to see other people pay less then them for the same service...there is no way of convincing them otherwise...so what's the point?

http://pro.corbis.com/images/AY004694.jpg?size=67&uid=%7B218B242F-0D77-4469-ADCD-4C65508B0EE9%7D

Dude please stop.. We've already been over this, and a mod's even come in here several times to tell us to cool it. Please already..

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04kff4L01592Z/610x.jpg

Yet you're still not ignoring him?! :thought: All he said was stop - and I tend to agree. I have SERO and I've given up trying to defend it. It boils down to the fact that its a heavily discounted plan that Sprint made "widely" available to anyone that did some research. However, perhaps they have taken another look into it and decided that it wasn't a good idea. I will try to keep it as long as I can because its an excellent plan, for a ridiculously low monthly payment, and it fits my needs perfectly. That's a logical course of action - I don't think anyone can deny that. The "SERO haters" that can't see that, will NEVER understand that. The SERO users out there that can't understand why non-SERO holders get tired of hearing SERO people complain, will NEVER understand that. There's really no need to argue about this anymore.

SERO users should recognize that their plan won't be around forever and in 20 years they won't be paying $30 a month for 500 minutes and unlimited everything else. They should enjoy it while they can and consider themselves lucky (as I do) to have it. And if Sprint starts holding some perks away from them (i.e. the Pre) then so be it. SERO haters should also TRY to realize that people with a good plan aren't just going to let it go easily. They will attempt to keep it (and get whatever phone they can on it) as long as they can. Doesn't make SERO haters jealous, and doesn't make SERO holders cheap or entitled - it is simply a logical course of action for both sides.

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/11/14/ba-wildfires_0499451026.jpg

I accidentally added him onto my buddy list instead of ignore list since both options exist on the same page...lol

but otherwise, good point...however, I think you're wrong on the fact that these are not going to be around much longer....sprint created these plans and with all the grandfathering laws, they are going to have to deal with this beast for at least 10 years from starting it

Yes, but I don't see them treating these planholders like royalty. Just like when I had my grandfathered Vision plan, they tried to change me to a new plan all the time.

[ScrapMaker]

I think a good compromise would be to pay full price for the phone. I won't like it, but I'd prefer that over increasing my plan.

While this would be nice, you have to realize that Sprint is looking at the overall numbers, just like AT&T did with the iPhone.

Sprint has no real reason to let people buy this phone for even $800, because they would still lose money in the end. This could be argued either way, about more money up-front, etc, but they still lose a lot in the end.

I would imagine it will be like the Instinct, where they will not budge.

[meatpopsicle]

If so, unfortunate. I would have hoped they learned a lesson from the instinct. Great for new customers, but current customers that aren't rich will generally snub their noses at it.

The more I think about it, if Sprint actually DOES require a $70 plan for the Pre, then they are walking the fine line of ballsy and delusional more than I thought.

If they really want the Pre to be a status symbol like the iphone, with everyone walking around with one, they can't do it.

[NM08SRT8]

As long as other companies are successfully pulling this off, Sprint won't back down.

[meatpopsicle]

As long as other companies are successfully pulling this off, Sprint won't back down.

Those other company's successfully pulling it off have an iphone. On top of that, most analysists think that At&t doesn't make anything extra on iphone plans, because Apple demands a cut (the real reason iphone plans are more expensive).

We both know Palm is not in a position to demand that.

[NM08SRT8]

Well neither do anyone with Blackberry plans, those prices are set by RIM, not the carrier.

[meatpopsicle]

I am just saying that knowing what I know about

-the economy, which will worsen
-Sprint's current customer base
-Sprint's financial situation
-Palm's financial situation
-What it takes to get new users to dump their current provider and switch
-The rarity that a customer will double their plan for a phone

and if

-Sprint expects the Pre to be a true plan switching/selling, flagship, status symbol, iphone competitor
-Sprint decides to go the truly stubborn route (not even allowing add-ons as exceptions) with the Pre "plan requirement".

then I believe we will see the death throws of Palm within a year and Sprint will bleed even more than they ever have.

I HOPE they don't do this, but like you guys, and being familiar with Sprint's stellar decision making, I expect them to.

Of course, it's possible they don't expect the Pre to be a flagship iphone killer, in which case they can treat it like the instinct, and it will perform like the instinct.

[ScrapMaker]

If so, unfortunate. I would have hoped they learned a lesson from the instinct. Great for new customers, but current customers that aren't rich will generally snub their noses at it.

The more I think about it, if Sprint actually DOES require a $70 plan for the Pre, then they are walking the fine line of ballsy and delusional more than I thought.

If they really want the Pre to be a status symbol like the iphone, with everyone walking around with one, they can't do it.

$59.99 seems fairly reasonable, especially with 500 minutes, unlimited data, mobile-to-mobile, texting, GPS navigation, and a whole slew of other entertainment features.

...especially when compared to the iPhone plans which offer NONE of that, for $30+ each month. I think Sprint/Palm have some creedence to these rate plans. Yes it will be unfortunate that some people will not be willing to switch, and you can bet that Sprint has thought this through.

[NM08SRT8]

Nvm.. *sigh*

Moving on

[Matt]

<--- puts finger on trigger.

[ScrapMaker]

How about we just sum up this thread?

SERO people: "It's not fair, and many of us won't switch for the Pre, (or any other new phone that requires a new plan.)"

NON-SERO people: "Get over it, and pay for a new plan already."

REALITY: You will probably have to buy the $59.99 plan with 500 minutes, and unlimited everything else, from www.sprint.com/sero. Either that, or any other combination with a $30 data pack. None of us can change this, so why bicker about it?

That's about it, right?

[petehead]

That's about it, right?


Yep. Matt, kill it!

[Eyecon82]

:bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

[sjones]

How about we just sum up this thread?

SERO people: "It's not fair, and many of us won't switch for the Pre, (or any other new phone that requires a new plan.)"

NON-SERO people: "Get over it, and pay for a new plan already."

REALITY: You will probably have to buy the $59.99 plan with 500 minutes, and unlimited everything else, from www.sprint.com/sero. Either that, or any other combination with a $30 data pack. None of us can change this, so why bicker about it?

That's about it, right?


There are some sero people (me) who understand that because of the plan we should not expect to get some of the hot items, and just go on through life paying $30 monthly and smiling.

[ScrapMaker]

There are some sero people (me) who understand that because of the plan we should not expect to get some of the hot items, and just go on through life paying $30 monthly and smiling.

That attitude is much appreciated. :)

[pdx77]

There are some sero people (me) who understand that because of the plan we should not expect to get some of the hot items, and just go on through life paying $30 monthly and smiling.


+ 1. I'm a SERO user I'll admit, I'm already getting a discounted rate which I appreciate, I don't expect other things from Sprint, and if I can't get the phone I want without changing my plan, that's fine with me as well.

[meatpopsicle]

+ 1. I'm a SERO user I'll admit, I'm already getting a discounted rate which I appreciate, I don't expect other things from Sprint, and if I can't get the phone I want without changing my plan, that's fine with me as well.

I'm technically in the same boat. I am fine passing on the Pre, if having it will cost me 2x more a month, I'll stick with WinMo devices, which I like quite a bit.

But I do, regardless, think it's a very bad business/financial move on Sprint's part to pretend they A) Can be AT&T and B) The Pre is an iphone.

I like Sprint a lot. I don't want to see them fail. But this will be a bad move for the company if they do it.

And I don't quite get what the moderator is on about, everyone is discussing SERO with Pre, which is the title of this thread, and nobody is calling anyone names - so where's the fire?

[Matt]

It's not just at&t.

T-Mobile requires a 25 dollar (400 sms/unlimited data) or 35 dollar (unlimited sms/data) plan for the G1.

oh and the fire was about post #219 and a few after that. And my name is Matt. Not "the moderator". ;)

[meatpopsicle]

It's not just at&t.

T-Mobile requires a 25 dollar (400 sms/unlimited data) or 35 dollar (unlimited sms/data) plan for the G1.

oh and the fire was about post #219 and a few after that. And my name is Matt. Not "the moderator". ;)

I did not know that. My cousin has a G1, and he's a cheapskate, and has never mentioned that.

Well then I am convinced Sprint will do the same then.

Here's to hoping HTC drops some cool phones sooner rather than later!

[Matt]

Some people have found workarounds to the data requirement. Changing proxies and apn settings.

[jdavishornet]

ebay is ok but i have purchased a few phones on craigslist. always nib and just a few dollars more than what it would cost with full upgrade. use common sense when purchasing and pay a little more without prolonging contract.

a lot of people seem to have trouble with sprint in different areas of the country. here in nyc i cant remember when i last had a call drop. all the people with verizon say how good their network is but thats ok cause with sero we roam on vzw for free. as far as internet from my experience nothing in a mobile service can touch sprint. this is all from my personal experience and im always looking for input from other users.

i love my sero plan. i am interested in the pre. looks awesome. forget about switching plans for it though. for some reason i am lucky enough to pay 80 dollars a month for 2 phones total. i would be crazy to give that up. i would not get the pre even if it cant tether, never even entertaining the thought of changing plans. im not in position to justify spending extra money. some people can afford it more power to them. im hoping sprint will let us have the oppurtunity to get the pre. probably a mistake if they dont. but like another poster said. htc will no doubt come out with another slamming phone to make us happy anyway. windows mobile has always been a pretty good option. maybe a little buggy sometimes but mostly happy with it.

[Matt]

or better yet. ;)

[ScrapMaker]

so... powerful...

/me cowers out of fear...

[jdavishornet]

so say we all

[Matt]

heh :p

[Eyecon82]

I like Sprint a lot. I don't want to see them fail. But this will be a bad move for the company if they do it.


On the same hand, I like Palm just as well and don't want to see them fail....I am sure they are looking for numbers, as that is what gauges popularity of a phone...and they're not going to hit the numbers needed by offering it for a certain plan. Let's face it, the Pre doesn't have the excitability the Iphone did when it first came out