[Pre] Official Discussion

[totoro80]

This is the official thread for GENERAL discussion of the Palm Pre. If you have specific topics, please either use the appropriate thread or if one does not exist, create one.

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IMPORTANT/USEFUL LINKS

Official Sites

Sprint: http://now.sprint.com/pre/
Palm: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/
Videos, Articles & Images

http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/2302-1.htm (http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/2302-1.htm)
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/live-from-palms-ces-press-conference/ (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/live-from-palms-ces-press-conference/)
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-first-hands-on-with-live-updates/ (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-first-hands-on-with-live-updates/)
http://i.gizmodo.com/5126752/palm-pre-full-video-tours (http://i.gizmodo.com/5126752/palm-pre-full-video-tours)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JiB6lkLwjY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JiB6lkLwjY)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoWm_VxELOk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoWm_VxELOk)
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-in-depth-impressions-video-and-huge-hands-on-gallery/ (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-in-depth-impressions-video-and-huge-hands-on-gallery/)
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ces2009 (http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ces2009)
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/32611 (http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/32611)
http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/2318-1.htm (http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/2318-1.htm)
http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20090108/live-from-ces-palm-unveils-nova/ (http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20090108/live-from-ces-palm-unveils-nova/)
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/09/poor-palm-pre-pricing-possibly-published-prior-to-public-proclamation/ (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/09/poor-palm-pre-pricing-possibly-published-prior-to-public-proclamation/)
http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/2322-1.htm (http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/2322-1.htm)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2338583,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2338583,00.asp)
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/01/09/palm-pre-webos-launch-roundup/ (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/01/09/palm-pre-webos-launch-roundup/)
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/01/09/palm-pre-hands-on-the-movie/

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_11410854 (http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_11410854?source=most_emailed)
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/siliconalley/personal-tech/2009_1_palm_may_sell_pre_for_149_palm.html
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/13/palm-pre-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know/
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/daves-download/2009/1/30/audio-palm-pre-could-save-floundering-pioneer.html
Palm Keynote in Parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6l0birqeig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeKXksLEYo8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alhEZZ4-XP0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQriVan1Grs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdfkAeXhfEs

[laursifer]

As mentioned, I closed the original thread (http://sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=180224) so we can start more organized discussions now that we have our subforum.

I copied the first post from that thread since it has all of those handy links. I may need to update the list again, as I haven't had a chance to see if anything new has been posted since my last update (Tuesday). I may or may not have the chance to do that tonight. We shall see.

I am still working on an FAQ so let's give me until like Sunday afternoon or something to get that posted and if I'm unable, someone is welcome to start one if there seems to be an immediate need for it. I'm makin' it kinda fancy-like.

[tbone9811]

the pre will prob have too have the everthing plans

[YaBoiD]

the pre will prob have too have the everthing plans

I doubt it. I don't think Sprint would be STUPID enough to force customers to switch plans (especially from SERO). I'm out of contract now & I'm waiting for the Pre to be released then I'll re-up for another 2yrs but ONLY if I can keep my SERO500....

[laursifer]

So far, it has been said they will be "pushing" the SE plans... not requiring.

[totoro80]

yeah; they will probably be pushing them for the new customers especially and trying to coax the existing customers into them.

[htowngator]

yeah; they will probably be pushing them for the new customers especially and trying to coax the existing customers into them.

Requiring it would really reduce their sales.

[tbone9811]

your right but they did it on the instict

[NM08SRT8]

So far, it has been said they will be "pushing" the SE plans... not requiring.
I'm sure if anything, they will be pushing Data plans, before they do SEP (Hopefully, for you SERO users *rolls eyes*).

[NM08SRT8]

Requiring it would really reduce their sales.
It depends, if people really want it, they will shell out whats necessary to have it. (ie iPhones and BB's)

[hathetran]

your right but they did it on the instict

yea look where the instinct is now...i dont know a single person that has an instinct...im hoping Sprint has learned their mistake and wont be requiring an everything plan

[NM08SRT8]

Ok, Here are my honest to God views about this whole SEP plan thing. I THINK, that Sprint should not require SEP for this phone, because they do indeed limit themselves to a certain grade of people. I know SERO makes up probably less than 10% or something (guessed figures) of Sprint customers. BUT, What they should in fact do is, just require a unlimited Data plan. Their data plans pretty much have almost everything a SEP does. I mean, come on.. webOS??? It's kinda common sense you'll want data on this phone.

On the other hand, yes, the Instinct was unsuccessful but I'm not thinking it was so much because of the plans. I'm thinking it was because the lack of a 3rd party "app store", if you will, and the massive bugs the phone had to come with it. Sure, SEP requirements still might have had an impact on its success, but I'm not thinking thats the only way it turned out the way it did.

The mistake is, Sprint saw Apple and RIM requiring people to get special pricing for their particular devices, and they thought they could get away for the same. I think the major difference between Apple and RIM is that it's not ATT requiring the iPhone data plan. It's not other carriers requiring a RIM BIS plan, it's the phone companies themselves who are wanting this. Sprint on the other hand, does what RIM requires them of, by making it mandatory for the most part to have BIS. But! They don't NEED to require other phones to have Sprints own SEP plans. They IMO are trying to make 1) more money, 2) have more power over authority (ie. being a little more demanding with their own devices) and 3) to control their plans to the devices they sell.

So, will the Pre be so unsuccessful if Sprint requires SEP's? I'm going to say, not so much. Will Sprint be making a bad move by requiring something that isn't required by the manufacture? I'm going to have to say, yes. I suspect the Pre to have "sold out" status if Sprint doesn't require SEPlans, such as the Touch Pro.

[mrdavis55]

Sprint you better get this puppy out before Sprint releases an android phone or you guys are going to be in trouble....

Android has a big head start on the developer front....

Not to mention the NIAGRA is hot on the pre's heels....

I'm just sayin....

[Thug541]

But realistically....the Pre in demo form is the most impressive phone out right now (hands on will determine for sure)...but i don't understand how anyone after seeing that demo, would be "super excited" for the Javelin to be honest.

[NM08SRT8]

But realistically....the Pre in demo form is the most impressive phone out right now (hands on will determine for sure)...but i don't understand how anyone after seeing that demo, would be "super excited" for the Javelin to be honest.
It's because BB fanboys such as myself, WANT a real BB. Not some carrier filtered down crap. We want a new os, our MMS, our Sprint backed support, etc. The BB is an amazing device, even tho it's not as technically advanced as some of the others (and I'm not referring to the Storm either, because that is probably very current with the times).

I know if and when Sprint comes out with a proper BB, the Pre will take a nap. That's just how it is. But a lot of us BB people (and the non BES people) will switch to the Pre just because we're tired of Sprint falling behind with support for us. Until that day comes, in addition to a new BB lineup, we will be 1) unhappy berry users, and 2) looking for somthing to suit our needs.

[gedansky]

I get it. The Pre is the most exciting thing for Palm lovers to come out in a loooong time, and everyone has questions about how their world will be affected if they buy one. There are dozens upon dozens of posts on every Palm-focused web site (I admit to making a few myself). But, if you look at the handful of videos from CES, you will see what everyone knows about it right now, yet everyone keeps asking questions as if the answers will magically appear, or some reputable insider will play "Deep Throat" (think Watergate, not the Porno) and spill the beans early. The reality is, the Pre won't be out until April, and it's not likely we will get a lot more information before then. So, what do we have left to talk about for the next 2 and a half months that hasn't already been said?

[jschu22]

I get it. The Pre is the most exciting thing for Palm lovers to come out in a loooong time, and everyone has questions about how their world will be affected if they buy one. There are dozens upon dozens of posts on every Palm-focused web site (I admit to making a few myself). But, if you look at the handful of videos from CES, you will see what everyone knows about it right now, yet everyone keeps asking questions as if the answers will magically appear, or some reputable insider will play "Deep Throat" (think Watergate, not the Porno) and spill the beans early. The reality is, the Pre won't be out until April, and it's not likely we will get a lot more information before then. So, what do we have left to talk about for the next 2 and a half months that hasn't already been said?

Someone arrest this person for being in touch with reality. Hurry, before it spreads!

All kidding aside, very good point. It's amazing how many
Palm-lovers there are now after the CES. Where are all the death bed claims now? I'd love to add all the presumptions being made about the Pre as well. I honestly want to the device to be amazing but it can't be the second coming of sliced bread until a consumer actually uses it, right?

[Darkflame808]

I get it. The Pre is the most exciting thing for Palm lovers to come out in a loooong time, and everyone has questions about how their world will be affected if they buy one. There are dozens upon dozens of posts on every Palm-focused web site (I admit to making a few myself). But, if you look at the handful of videos from CES, you will see what everyone knows about it right now, yet everyone keeps asking questions as if the answers will magically appear, or some reputable insider will play "Deep Throat" (think Watergate, not the Porno) and spill the beans early. The reality is, the Pre won't be out until April, and it's not likely we will get a lot more information before then. So, what do we have left to talk about for the next 2 and a half months that hasn't already been said?

I think it's great that people are raving about it. I'm pretty positive they have a few palm rep lurkers hiding in the shadows of every forum writing down all these questions and trying to see if they can be implemented into their pre device.

A million people asking questions and coming up with ideas for free is better then trying to pay someone to think these things up. R&D has a lot to gain by listening to the questions, comments and rants posted by all of us who eagerly await this device.

[parazitu22]

I get it. The Pre is the most exciting thing for Palm lovers to come out in a loooong time, and everyone has questions about how their world will be affected if they buy one. There are dozens upon dozens of posts on every Palm-focused web site (I admit to making a few myself). But, if you look at the handful of videos from CES, you will see what everyone knows about it right now, yet everyone keeps asking questions as if the answers will magically appear, or some reputable insider will play "Deep Throat" (think Watergate, not the Porno) and spill the beans early. The reality is, the Pre won't be out until April, and it's not likely we will get a lot more information before then. So, what do we have left to talk about for the next 2 and a half months that hasn't already been said?

I think a lot of people have been waiting for a very, very long time for sprint to get something this awesome. But saying that we are being premature about q and a's and then saying that it will come out in april without anything to back it up :hmmm: :confused:

[ventura726]

I was an avid Palm fan for a long time, always buying the new treo and showing it off to friends who would then do the same. After the 755, Palm took a weird turn where the functionality stayed about the same, but their design got worse and worse. That's when I went to Blackberry. I had written Palm off. Said they were done and held a small private memorial service. Now, they have risen like the Phoenix and could possibly flip the game upside down with the Pre. I had the Iphone and I liked the coolness factor but it was majorly lacking in the practicality department. No physical keyboard gets really frustrating after a few months. That is what brought me back to Sprint and my beloved Blackberry. Hopefully the Pre will combine the best of both worlds and really be the end-all be-all that it's being built up to be. :fingers:

[mrdavis55]

its because sprint has been the fat kid in the cell phone race soooooo long....

[Darkflame808]

its because sprint has been the fat kid in the cell phone race soooooo long....

Kinda ironic the fat kid was the fastest though eh?

[mrdavis55]

huh? cornfussed?

[gedansky]

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I think a lot of people have been waiting for a very, very long time for sprint to get something this awesome. But saying that we are being premature about q and a's and then saying that it will come out in april without anything to back it up :hmmm: :confused:



I stated up front that I know this is a very exciting occurance. So, I know people have been waiting a really long time. I've been waiting too. I also never suggested there was anything wrong with Q&A's. What I suggested was, that what we know about the Pre' has already been released and no more new info is going to come out for some months to come. So, repeatedly asking "But does it...?" or "But, will it...?" will only bring speculation at best, not fact.



While I agree with another poster, that there may be developers from Palm lurking.who may use feedback and comments to help with the final result. The key word is "may".



As for having nothing to back up my statement about April, actually, I do. Every Sprint store has a product rep for each brand. The Palm rep at my local Sprint store told me that the regional Palm rep is being sent to California at the end of February for a week long training. He will then come back and train the local Palm product reps at the different stores. After that, they will be ready for the product release, which will be at least April.

Hope this helps clarify things.

[tenpins]

You been on this site since 2002. You know speculating is a pasttime 'round here. ;)

[Darkflame808]

ill try this again since this 10 post limit keeps dumping my long thought out posts.

simply put.

palm has a lot to gain by people being pre this that when will it whatever.

palm monitors the boards. everytime a question is asked or a point is made or speculated they are going to consider it if they can do it great!

a million people speculating is better for palm then 3 people on r&d could ever be.

[jschu22]

Apparently reality has NOT spread.

... A phoenix is rising.
... Fat kids are winning races.
... And now the members of Sprint Users are part of Palm's R & D department.

[BrucePDA]

palm monitors the boards. everytime a question is asked or a point is made or speculated they are going to consider it if they can do it great!

a million people speculating is better for palm then 3 people on r&d could ever be.
Why would they need to sit around in the forums looking for ideas? Loyal Palm users have been *****ing for years what they wanted in a new device. Maybe now they are starting to listen. But loyal Palm fans are going to be bummed when the device will not run legacy apps they have come to know and love without a 3rd party solution (maybe StyleTap).

[parazitu22]

Why would they need to sit around in the forums looking for ideas? Loyal Palm users have been *****ing for years what they wanted in a new device. Maybe now they are starting to listen. But loyal Palm fans are going to be bummed when the device will not run legacy apps they have come to know and love without a 3rd party solution (maybe StyleTap).

No disrespect for legacy palm developers, but most apps just plain SUCK! They're not intuitive, look like crap, and are buggy at best. Give me something NEW that works great and looks great!

[parazitu22]

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I stated up front that I know this is a very exciting occurance. So, I know people have been waiting a really long time. I've been waiting too. I also never suggested there was anything wrong with Q&A's. What I suggested was, that what we know about the Pre' has already been released and no more new info is going to come out for some months to come. So, repeatedly asking "But does it...?" or "But, will it...?" will only bring speculation at best, not fact.



While I agree with another poster, that there may be developers from Palm lurking.who may use feedback and comments to help with the final result. The key word is "may".



As for having nothing to back up my statement about April, actually, I do. Every Sprint store has a product rep for each brand. The Palm rep at my local Sprint store told me that the regional Palm rep is being sent to California at the end of February for a week long training. He will then come back and train the local Palm product reps at the different stores. After that, they will be ready for the product release, which will be at least April.

Hope this helps clarify things.

Makes sense about the April date. I didn't mean to sound rude, but I hate when people come on here and start posting release dates without anything to back it up.

[sel1965]

I spoke to reps at Best Buy and Sprint last night and both said launcing in June. I hope April is right that sounds a whole lot better than June.

[cwfluke]

I spoke to reps at Best Buy and Sprint last night and both said launcing in June. I hope April is right that sounds a whole lot better than June.

If it's June, it'll flop. Plain and simple. You can't announce a phone and then wait 6 months to release it. There will be a plethora of other phones available by then.

[Show]

If it's June, it'll flop. Plain and simple. You can't announce a phone and then wait 6 months to release it. There will be a plethora of other phones available by then.

Not sure if it will flop, but I will agree it does not look good to make people wait 6 months and as was said it will be a plethora of other phones available. People have waited long enough. To annouce the Pre and make people wait will have some type of negative backlashed and the phone won't have the effect that may have been hoped for.

After reading this (click here) (http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090126/ap_on_hi_te/sprint_nextel_job_cuts) you tell me if Sprint and Palm can afford to wait until June.

[Nater]

ill try this again since this 10 post limit keeps dumping my long thought out posts.

simply put.

palm has a lot to gain by people being pre this that when will it whatever.

palm monitors the boards. everytime a question is asked or a point is made or speculated they are going to consider it if they can do it great!

a million people speculating is better for palm then 3 people on r&d could ever be.

I'm sorry, but that's just silly. You think Rubenstein's lurking on a forum, and saying to himself, "Gee, a memory card slot... why didn't I think of that?" :frustrate

The team that designed this phone are experts at the top of their field. They don't really need our help to brainstorm ideas. The reason for features not being included on a phone are likely one of the following:
1. cost concerns
2. budget concerns
3. leaving room for future upgrades

I also suspect that Sprint doesn't really care that much about public opinion on forums such as this. Forum members may be enthusiasts, but are also a great minority. Do you think that even 5% of Sprint's customers are active members of a phone forum? I doubt it.

[Nater]

Not sure if it will flop, but I will agree it does not look good to make people wait 6 months and as was said it will be a plethora of other phones available. People have waited long enough. To annouce the Pre and make people wait will have some type of negative backlashed and the phone won't have the effect that may have been hoped for.

After reading this (click here) (http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090126/ap_on_hi_te/sprint_nextel_job_cuts) you tell me if Sprint and Palm can afford to wait until June.

No doubt there is pressure to release the phone ASAP. But they need to wait until it's ready. There are many instances of potentially great products being released too early, with defects, and underperforming as a result. Palm and Sprint need to iron all the kinks out of this thing before releasing it. If there are serious issues when it's released, public opinion will turn against it, and that's not easily fixable via a firmware upgrade.

[d12a60n]

No doubt there is pressure to release the phone ASAP. But they need to wait until it's ready. There are many instances of potentially great products being released too early, with defects, and underperforming as a result. Palm and Sprint need to iron all the kinks out of this thing before releasing it. If there are serious issues when it's released, public opinion will turn against it, and that's not easily fixable via a firmware upgrade.

I agree. And I'm sure that's exactly why they decided to go with the "first half of 2009" vague release answer. There are so many factors affecting release date such as the important ones you have stated. So it's really up to the executives, partners, public relations, and marketing to time this perfectly - and make sure it goes smoothly.

Speaking from experience from a manufacturing standpoint here are some heavily considered factors:

1. Parts supplies - how many units can we build with the current parts in house? What is the lead time to obtain the most difficult parts to source (ie screens from Cypress tech)?
2. What is current demand? How many can we supply during launch day? If we launch - and we run out of units - when can we promise next shipment?
3. Is our final testing in place before packaging?
4. Worst case scenario in case of defects - what is our return policy - repair/refurbishment process in place? Is our repair center ready?
5. Accessories? Do we have enough before launch date? What is the potential demand for touchstone - as it's a sold separately accessory?
6. With Sprint's current layoffs, do we have enough people in place for customer support during launch?

I could go on and on... but I understand from a consumer's perspective how badly we all want to have this phone :)

With Sprint continually losing customers, employees, and market share - along with Palm heavily relying on this phone to help revive its turn-around - the timing is more critical than ever. I do believe they need to get it out ASAP - and I bet there are many "corporate emergency meetings" being scheduled at Sprint HQ as we speak.

[Nater]

I'm sorry, but that's just silly. You think Rubenstein's lurking on a forum, and saying to himself, "Gee, a memory card slot... why didn't I think of that?" :frustrate

The team that designed this phone are experts at the top of their field. They don't really need our help to brainstorm ideas. The reason for features not being included on a phone are likely one of the following:
1. cost concerns
2. budget concerns
3. leaving room for future upgrades

I also suspect that Sprint doesn't really care that much about public opinion on forums such as this. Forum members may be enthusiasts, but are also a great minority. Do you think that even 5% of Sprint's customers are active members of a phone forum? I doubt it.

Apparently I can't edit my post anymore, but #2 should have read "schedule concerns" instead of "budget concerns" which was redundant with #1.

[Nater]

I agree. And I'm sure that's exactly why they decided to go with the "first half of 2009" vague release answer. There are so many factors affecting release date such as the important ones you have stated. So it's really up to the executives, partners, public relations, and marketing to time this perfectly - and make sure it goes smoothly.

Speaking from experience from a manufacturing standpoint here are some heavily considered factors:

1. Parts supplies - how many units can we build with the current parts in house? What is the lead time to obtain the most difficult parts to source (ie screens from Cypress tech)?
2. What is current demand? How many can we supply during launch day? If we launch - and we run out of units - when can we promise next shipment?
3. Is our final testing in place before packaging?
4. Worst case scenario in case of defects - what is our return policy - repair/refurbishment process in place? Is our repair center ready?
5. Accessories? Do we have enough before launch date? What is the potential demand for touchstone - as it's a sold separately accessory?
6. With Sprint's current layoffs, do we have enough people in place for customer support during launch?

I could go on and on... but I understand from a consumer's perspective how badly we all want to have this phone :)

With Sprint continually losing customers, employees, and market share - along with Palm heavily relying on this phone to help revive its turn-around - the timing is more critical than ever. I do believe they need to get it out ASAP - and I bet there are many "corporate emergency meetings" being scheduled at Sprint HQ as we speak.

I hope they are having those emergency meetings. I wouldn't want to be in them, but I hope they're productive. :) I'm really anxious to see the finished product, and it will probably be the first time I upgrade my phone without waiting to qualify for the 2-year rebate.

[d12a60n]

and it will probably be the first time I upgrade my phone without waiting to qualify for the 2-year rebate.

I'm sure you and I aren't the only ones in this situation as well! I usually waited for the rebate but for this phone...man!! Sorry little daughter - your savings will have to wait! JK

[Show]

I almost got the HTC Touch Pro but decided to stick with my Treo 755P. Glad I did because I still have the rebate! Like others I would have gotten this phone whenever it is released without the rebate. It will be interesting to see how much longer Sprint takes to release the Pre. They are already getting rid of 8000 jobs so I'm thinkingn they not only need to get this right but get it done as quickly as possible. They may not care about people on a phone forum but they do care about losing customers. I'm sure every complaint that people have stated on these forums are reasons why people have left Sprint big time. Maybe it's time to listen.

[TheMatrix31]

Any word on whether the Pre will have separate ringer volumes for alarm and calls/texts? Believe it or not, I've realized that that's a big issue for me.

[cwfluke]

Any word on whether the Pre will have separate ringer volumes for alarm and calls/texts? Believe it or not, I've realized that that's a big issue for me.

With any windows mobile phone I've ever used, its been possible in some way. And if it wasn't an "option" there's always ways around it. Just record your alarm sound at a lesser volume (or greater) and use that as your alarm. That way, if you want your phone to be super loud and your alarm to be not as brash, then you can "manually" set the volume of the alarm sound by recording it at a lower volume before you put it on the phone. :thought:

[Show]

Any word on whether the Pre will have separate ringer volumes for alarm and calls/texts? Believe it or not, I've realized that that's a big issue for me.

It should I know my Treo has and it's Palm.

[the.traveller]

After reading this (click here) (http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090126/ap_on_hi_te/sprint_nextel_job_cuts) you tell me if Sprint and Palm can afford to wait until June.

From The Article:
"Also, Sprint will soon be the exclusive seller of the Palm Pre smart phone, a touch-screen device expected to rival the iPhone. The Pre is set to debut in the second half of this year."

Second half of this year? I seriously hope this was mis-typed. Imagine if the phone is coming out in Novemeber? Palm might not recover from something like that. In the meanwhile other companies (Samsung? HTC? LG?) are more than happy of snapping up the share of customers that are waiting for this fabulous phone which never arrived. Yea the Pre looks great, but I'd rather be on a slightly less amazing phone that's been out a couple of months on a platform that already has tons of developers and support (Android, WinMO). A LOT of people are waiting for the Pre, ESPECIALY b/c (aside from the Diamond/Pro, TreoPro?) right now there really isn't anything on Sprint that is comparable...However once that comparable device arrives, Pre revenues are going to take a substantial hit.

Summary: Second half of 2009....bad idea

[GolpherZX]

Engadget has posted yet another video of the Pre - a little bit longer than what has been seen for CES (at least from what I have found).

http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/

[htowngator]

Everyone is suffering from layoffs and downsizing, not just Sprint. I wouldn't take too much from that.

[NM08SRT8]

From The Article:
"Also, Sprint will soon be the exclusive seller of the Palm Pre smart phone, a touch-screen device expected to rival the iPhone. The Pre is set to debut in the second half of this year."

Second half of this year? I seriously hope this was mis-typed. Imagine if the phone is coming out in Novemeber? Palm might not recover from something like that. In the meanwhile other companies (Samsung? HTC? LG?) are more than happy of snapping up the share of customers that are waiting for this fabulous phone which never arrived. Yea the Pre looks great, but I'd rather be on a slightly less amazing phone that's been out a couple of months on a platform that already has tons of developers and support (Android, WinMO). A LOT of people are waiting for the Pre, ESPECIALY b/c (aside from the Diamond/Pro, TreoPro?) right now there really isn't anything on Sprint that is comparable...However once that comparable device arrives, Pre revenues are going to take a substantial hit.

Summary: Second half of 2009....bad idea
If it hasn't been cited to Sprint and/or quoted from Sprint directly, don't hold your breath. I could say Sprint is closing its doors tomorrow, but doesn't mean crap since I'm not Sprint, yet just another customer badmouthing them

[GolpherZX]

Anyone heard of any kind of announcement at the SuperBowl? Today Sprint.com no longer has the Pre in any of the three rotating headers of their site. Yesterday it seemed like it was on a slightly higher rotation than 1/3 of the time (pure observation, nothing else - it was probably 1/3).

Also - on the palm site, has there always been the "Details" portion when looking at the Pre specifically?

[NM08SRT8]

Palm has changed the site's look and layout/format several times since the CES showcase and Keynote..

[Park]

Any word on whether the Pre will have separate ringer volumes for alarm and calls/texts? Believe it or not, I've realized that that's a big issue for me.

I'm sure it will have separate volume levels since all recent Palms have. I'd actually prefer it have volume controls like the M1 where you have the choice of controlling the volumes separately, or where they're all controlled by the master volume level.

[TheMatrix31]

It's just that on my Instinct, it's all the same. So I have my calls/texts set to a "silent" ringer, but since I use the alarm and need to hear it, when I'm sleeping and get a text, the phone beeps twice to let me know I have an unread text after two min.

[laravia18]

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/daves-download/2009/1/30/audio-palm-pre-could-save-floundering-pioneer.html

The podcast is short but if they are right about that summer/fall release I am seriously disappointed. Why bother having it at CES?

[Darkflame808]

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/daves-download/2009/1/30/audio-palm-pre-could-save-floundering-pioneer.html

The podcast is short but if they are right about that summer/fall release I am seriously disappointed. Why bother having it at CES?

well palm is going to drop the ball if they wait.

if you get people hyped about a product then wait too long people get tired of waiting and end up buying whatever is available now to satisfy their cravings for something new. so you only help the competition. HTC and apple can come out with a new product and simply promote the fact that you can buy it NOW. palm got everyone excited about this phone. enough so that people are saving up to buy it. they better collect these savings before someone else does.

[d12a60n]

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/daves-download/2009/1/30/audio-palm-pre-could-save-floundering-pioneer.html

The podcast is short but if they are right about that summer/fall release I am seriously disappointed. Why bother having it at CES?

Exactly. Palm/Sprint - although they've stated that it's available "first half of 2009" shouldn't put things like "coming soon" or "it'll be here before you know it" on their websites. Perhaps they just wanted people (like us) to start talking about it to help build up the hype and interest around it, and they are confident that this won't die down until release time. However, at the rate sprint is bleeding customers and is in need of a boost - you're absolutely right. They need it out sooner than later

[Awake]

At this point everything is speculation, just because someone had it on a "Podcast" doesn't mean s--t! Now Sprint reps are saying middle of March early April. My rep at Sprint will have a better idea next week, he seems to think late March early April makes more sense.

[tbot]

I think if sprint waits much longer they are going to loose the hype...I mean it can only go so far. Everyone that I know (including myself) is kinda loosing hope for an anytime soon release and myself have already started looking for other phone options (altho there isn't **** out there that compares) so its kind of this circular series of events going nowhere haha.

[Sica]

Unless HTC releases either The Max or HD with a slider keyboard and win mob 6.5 before the Pre. I don't see anything comparing to the Pre coming to Sprint this year nevermind beating the Pre to market.

[rilharri]

I think if sprint waits much longer they are going to loose the hype...I mean it can only go so far. Everyone that I know (including myself) is kinda loosing hope for an anytime soon release and myself have already started looking for other phone options (altho there isn't **** out there that compares) so its kind of this circular series of events going nowhere haha.

Come on it just came out at CES, we all know it will take time from there

[jillianbee]

I'm already bored with all the speculation.

[tbot]

^^ditto

[Show]

From The Article:
"Also, Sprint will soon be the exclusive seller of the Palm Pre smart phone, a touch-screen device expected to rival the iPhone. The Pre is set to debut in the second half of this year."

Second half of this year? I seriously hope this was mis-typed. Imagine if the phone is coming out in Novemeber? Palm might not recover from something like that. In the meanwhile other companies (Samsung? HTC? LG?) are more than happy of snapping up the share of customers that are waiting for this fabulous phone which never arrived. Yea the Pre looks great, but I'd rather be on a slightly less amazing phone that's been out a couple of months on a platform that already has tons of developers and support (Android, WinMO). A LOT of people are waiting for the Pre, ESPECIALY b/c (aside from the Diamond/Pro, TreoPro?) right now there really isn't anything on Sprint that is comparable...However once that comparable device arrives, Pre revenues are going to take a substantial hit.

Summary: Second half of 2009....bad idea

I agree. Especially in this economy, people may not be able to afford to buy a new phone then in the next two months buy another phone. If HTC or BB comes out with a phone that excites people they may see screw the wait and purchase another phone. Thus another sale that Palm/Sprint has lost for taking so long. They let word of the Pre slip out and have gotten people excited. However that excitement could turn on Sprint if they take too long. People have already complained about Sprint and the lack of new phones. This will make that complaint start up again and really tick people off.

The other companies if they were smart would take advatage of this and push up the date for their new devices, thus taking customers from Sprint and perhaps keeping the ones that they have.

Sprint is already taking too long for the release of the Pre. It's the middle of February and we are still wondering about a release date. NOT GOOD.

[the.traveller]

Palm CEO Ed Colligan Talks Pre with Investors

http://www.precentral.net/palm-ceo-ed-colligan-talks-pre-investors

Well it's nothing much new, but its good to know that it will be epocrates compatible from the get go. I've noticed a trend of medstudents and physcians moving towards AT&T and the iphone but looks like Palm and Sprint want to put a quick end to that.

The 2010 timeframe is a little surprising for the move to other carriers as well. More so if the Pre's release is delayed to late 2009. Perhaps they're planning on releasing other devices on Sprint at the same time? Pre mini or something?

[laravia18]

http://now.sprint.com/pre/

This link now has technical specs on the Pre.

[the.traveller]

Still showing as the same for me

[sunnydaygal]

That's great! Has more info than the last time I looked.

Does anyone know how or where I can look/ask to find out how much content the contacts will hold on the new Pre AND how to get on a waiting list? My contacts now is full and, like a digital camera, I have to delete something to add another contact.

Thanks


http://now.sprint.com/pre/

This link now has technical specs on the Pre.

[laravia18]

I took some screen caps of the changes to the site for those who can't see it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/laravia17/Picture2-1.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/laravia17/Picture3-2.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/laravia17/Picture4-2.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/laravia17/Picture6-1.png

I know I have been having problems viewing pages on sprint's website (my browser) so others might have the same issue.

You're welcome sunnydaygal!

[the.traveller]

Hey Thanks for the pics...i saw that you were using safari and so I tried hitting the site with firefox and it worked. Google Chrome still shows the old page...must be something in my settings..thanks agian.

[laravia18]

Hey Thanks for the pics...i saw that you were using safari and so I tried hitting the site with firefox and it worked. Google Chrome still shows the old page...must be something in my settings..thanks agian.

You're welcome! I am having similar issues with Safari. I cannot click "Tell me more" for some reason. The internet is weird sometimes.:dazed:

[Awake]

You're welcome! I am having similar issues with Safari. I cannot click "Tell me more" for some reason. The internet is weird sometimes.:dazed:

Try disabling "Pop-up Blocker" in Safari.

[laravia18]

Try disabling "Pop-up Blocker" in Safari.
I figured it out when I was playing with the settings just now. Thanks though!

[laravia18]

http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/#tab2

Look where it says "Memory" under Details. If "USB Mass Storage Support" means you are able to have additional external memory, I will be fanwanking pretty hard.

[NM08SRT8]

Data tethering is a go on Palm Pre


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2009/02/palm-pre-specs-tethering.jpg

There are many things the Pre can do. Tragically, swallow a microSD card whole (or otherwise) is not one of them, which is kind of unfortunate considering that only 7.4GB of the integrated 8GB will be available to the user -- but it turns out that tethering, thankfully, is. Newly-published tech specs on Sprint's site reveal that you'll be able to use your little EV-DO Rev. A monster as a modem both over Bluetooth and USB cable -- something the Pre's arch nemesis cannot so far (at least, not in any official capacity). Whether this helps push AT&T and Apple over the edge remains to be seen, but in the meantime, we'll be pushing close to a megabit per second upstream, thank you very much.


Source: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/02/11/data-tethering-is-a-go-on-palm-pre/

[Noseeums]

http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/#tab2

Look where it says "Memory" under Details. If "USB Mass Storage Support" means you are able to have additional external memory, I will be fanwanking pretty hard.

I'm pretty sure I saw a youtube video where they connected a USB memory card to it. Fanwank away! This thing is great. Lets hope it's not released with a ton of software glitches though. We don't need another BB Storm.

[the.traveller]

http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/#tab2
Look where it says "Memory" under Details. If "USB Mass Storage Support" means you are able to have additional external memory, I will be fanwanking pretty hard.

I'm pretty sure I saw a youtube video where they connected a USB memory card to it. Fanwank away! This thing is great. Lets hope it's not released with a ton of software glitches though. We don't need another BB Storm.

I'm still inclined to believe that this means the phone can be used as a Mass Storage Device when you connect it to your computer via a cord. In fact there was a few interviews one of which I copy pasted here....

http://i.gizmodo.com/5138503/palm-chats-with-facebookers-explains-pres-lack-of-microsd

Matt Crowley:
'‘Design' was the highest goal on the Palm Pre project. The phone has to look and function great in the hand and up against the face on a call. The decision to include or not include expandable storage is an easy one when design is the highest priority. The physical size of the device would have been compromised if we added another physical component to Pre. Just a millimeter can seriously impact the curvature of the design in a way that minimizes the design intent. We wanted to maintain a slick curved slider design without building out too much thickness. When you look at the two parts of the product and see how thin they really are, you may be amazed that we were able to fit everything in. And yes, all the stuff does fit.

The other advantage of embedded memory is that you have a large amount of storage out of the box for media and files. Including 8GBs of storage on the phone is a large amount of storage for many people, but not all. Yes, not all. We know that not everyone will be happy, but that is one of many decisions that needs to be made.'

[Show]

Everyone will not be happy with 8GB of storage, that is true, however there will be those of us where that will be plenty. I have a few videos on my Treo 755P and pictures. I have a 2GB card and still have more than enough room to add other stuff.

What I am wondering about is the video aspect. When I watched part of a video on the phone peter said that they purposefully did not discuss the video would comment later. I didn't get a change to finish watching the video. How could the phone be released with VIDEO? Not liking that that and I hope they have this added before the release.

[Noseeums]

Everyone will not be happy with 8GB of storage, that is true, however there will be those of us where that will be plenty. I have a few videos on my Treo 755P and pictures. I have a 2GB card and still have more than enough room to add other stuff.

What I am wondering about is the video aspect. When I watched part of a video on the phone peter said that they purposefully did not discuss the video would comment later. I didn't get a change to finish watching the video. How could the phone be released with VIDEO? Not liking that that and I hope they have this added before the release.

I could see them releasing a 16gb version within 6-12 months of launching this one.... Like you said, everyone won't be happy with 8gb, but 8gb is kind of 'behind the curve' for a new phone this year. Apple has already set the bar to 16gb and I bet anything you won't see anything less from them with their next edition of the iPhone.

But I'm not complaining. 8gb will be fine for me, but more is ALWAYS better. If we were talking about things we NEEDED vs. WANTED then we wouldn't even be discussing smartphones at all. In this biz you either have all the bells and whistles or you're falling behind. ;) So far it looks like the Pre outshines the iPhone is most aspects, but I wonder what Apple has up their sleeves.

[NM08SRT8]

But the iPhone is geared more towards multimedia.. hence the iPod. Pre isn't aimed to achieve the same..

[Show]

But the iPhone is geared more towards multimedia.. hence the iPod. Pre isn't aimed to achieve the same..

But they want to Pre to do all of that and more! They better put the ability to take videos on this phone or they risk a backlash. I would not be suprised if they did come out with a 16GM version sometime down the road. Along with a couple of more bells and whistles perhaps.

[Awake]

I wanted to post this video because there are still some folks out there insisting that Palm had no live Pre's at CES last month. Those folks were/are saying all the Pre's had some type of demo-software that mimicked a live device. I am not sure if any of you have seen this video yet, at about the 2:00 mark you can clearly see the Palm official make a call from a Centro to the Pre to demonstrate the calling feature, check out the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjN_oSbO_cM

[d12a60n]

Nice post. Thank you!!

[Awake]

Nice post. Thank you!!

You're welcome!

I tell ya, I can't get enough of the Pre, here is another video I haven't seen yet. I believe this is part of the other video I provided in this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSWhvKBFYnY

The fact that the Pre has Google-talk is a MAJOR plus!

[d12a60n]

I really really hope Adobe ports Flash over to the Pre ASAP. I need my hulu.com

[NM08SRT8]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBe9fCWoD7g&eurl=http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/02/15/new-meet-pre-video-demonstrates-new-functionality-incredible/&feature=player_embedded

Enjoy, Courtesy of Engadget Mobile

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/02/15/new-meet-pre-video-demonstrates-new-functionality-incredible/


New "Meet Pre" video demonstrates new functionality, incredible calming effect

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/02/meet-pre-vid-1.jpg

As you're no doubt aware, we're real suckers for Palm's Pre on tape, and this "Meet Pre" specimen hasn't yet assuaged our thirst. We suppose it's the exact type of stuff demonstrated on the video that keeps us coming back: webOS presents some new paradigms for interaction and integration, and, like the iPhone before it, will take a considerable amount of digestion to really come to terms with. Plus it's pretty. This video demonstrates a few interesting tidbits, such as a list of folks invited to a meeting and which ones will be going -- a nice integration of calendar and contacts -- and the phone is shown "sending" a webpage to a friend, which involves forwarding a link and an attached .png screenshot, perfect for mobile-to-mobile communications. Here's hoping we hear more about the phone this week at MWC... and a 3G GSM edition certainly wouldn't be unwelcome. Video is after the break.

[jsnole]

I am really liking this phone..

[aknipp62]

I am really liking this phone..

Ditto :headbang2

[Dunpeal]

If this phone is what it is when its released and in our hands it will be the pioneer of multi tasking

[akareem27]

i just hope sprint dont instinkt us again!

[cwfluke]

If this phone is what it is when its released and in our hands it will be the pioneer of multi tasking

By July there may be many other "pioneers" out there as well

[NM08SRT8]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mMIHQhSyw4&feature=channel_page

:) Looks like he likes it. I'll ask him more when he gets on AIM

This video is to show off the Cards, Multitasking, and Messaging.

[SingSongBird]

Gotta love it....

[NM08SRT8]

Amen

[AmeriKenny]

This video makes it look like the phone is made primarily for business people à la HTC Pro/Touch/Diamond devices. I would use it mainly for friends and fun.

[NM08SRT8]

The phone can be used for anything... It's not one of those business or personal specific devices.

[grydlok]

So you use the qwerty keyboard to text or Im, but you have to tap the screen to send the message?

[NM08SRT8]

Yeah, just like the Touch Pro, or 800w, etc. "Enter" on the keyboard just gives you a line down, doesn't act like enter on a computer keyboard. Only event it does is if what you're going to "enter" is highlighted by the phone, but looks like the phone doesn't have a D-Pad, so in this case, it won't matter.

[hierowing]

Thanks, watched it, liked it.

[chez_steph7]

the calendar on this thing has already sold me. i will be coming from a Touch Pro to this. i need to sale this pro. hahaha. dont like it that much.

-Chez

[NM08SRT8]

Here is another one..

Palm Pre Live Demo: Synergy Calendar and Contacts Sync

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bixliyJ765E&feature=subscription

[chez_steph7]

i am loving this phone and i will be getting it for sure.

-Chez

[NM08SRT8]

Delete that you have your phone for sale, Mod's will come in here and issue points for trying to advertise/sell something outside the TP.

[chez_steph7]

Delete that you have your phone for sale, Mod's will come in here and issue points for trying to advertise/sell something outside the TP.

im not selling my phone on here, i dont sale things online. it was more of a joke that i couldnt stand the Touch Pro and only having it 2 months i already want to get rid of it. im not new to this site bro.

-Chez

[NM08SRT8]

I know you weren't.. even if you were kidding, they still will give you points. It's happened to me, and I'm almost over with my 1yr (length of the -5 points I got for just telling a guy what car audio stuff I have that I want to sell. It's wack, but whatever.. Just wanted to give you heads up.

[chez_steph7]

I know you weren't.. even if you were kidding, they still will give you points. It's happened to me, and I'm almost over with my 1yr (length of the -5 points I got for just telling a guy what car audio stuff I have that I want to sell. It's wack, but whatever.. Just wanted to give you heads up.

thanks bro, i edited it. thats crazy stuff man. good looking out though.

-Chez

[NM08SRT8]

thanks bro, i edited it. thats crazy stuff man. good looking out though.

-Chez
No problem bruddah.. :)

I'm keeping an eye out for more videos, Noah said he'll have several of them..

[Show]

I have just heard that the Pre will be released on March 13. It was originally supposed to be released on February 25 but do to a problem with the phone it was pushed back.

What the problem is/was I do not know. However I received my info from someone that works at Sprint. I don't know the person that told me personally I was calling Sprint regarding an issue I had and I ask him. First dude said February 25. Second dude said it was supposed to be the 25th but was pushed back to March 13. He did not know the price of the phone (of course I asked) he thought it would be along the lines of the Palm Pro.

[parazitu22]

I have just heard that the Pre will be released on March 13. It was originally supposed to be released on February 25 but do to a problem with the phone it was pushed back.

What the problem is/was I do not know. However I received my info from someone that works at Sprint. I don't know the person that told me personally I was calling Sprint regarding an issue I had and I ask him. First dude said February 25. Second dude said it was supposed to be the 25th but was pushed back to March 13. He did not know the price of the phone (of course I asked) he thought it would be along the lines of the Palm Pro.

Dude come on.. we know better then that. If you have insider info, post something to back up your claim. We all know Sprints CS reps are not the most reliable source..

[Show]

Dude come on.. we know better then that. If you have insider info, post something to back up your claim. We all know Sprints CS reps are not the most reliable source..

I posted what I heard and where I heard it from. Either you believe it or you don't. I was hoping maybe someone else heard the same thing and would say so. I won't blame you if you don't believe me. What you said about the CS reps are true, however I did hear it from two different reps. Of course I will try to see if I hear the same elswhere.

[Michielyn]

I posted what I heard and where I heard it from. Either you believe it or you don't. I was hoping maybe someone else heard the same thing and would say so. I won't blame you if you don't believe me. What you said about the CS reps are true, however I did hear it from two different reps. Of course I will try to see if I hear the same elswhere.

Not saying I don't believe you but, I doubt reps know at this point. I have friends that work at Sprint and haven't heard anything. One of them being in a department that would know before care reps.

But who knows, maybe news came out today. I haven't pestered them yet. :)

[hawk2202]

Wirelessly posted (moto Q9c: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11) Sprint:MotoQ9c)

I am curious a little but think I know the answer. why have we not seen the webOS (cooked) in the wild. could the original palm centro or the recently released centro run the webOS?

[patchs]

Wirelessly posted (moto Q9c: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11) Sprint:MotoQ9c)

I am curious a little but think I know the answer. why have we not seen the webOS (cooked) in the wild. could the original palm centro or the recently released centro run the webOS?

I don't think the Centro has the horsepower to run Web OS.
Don't believe those fake pics that just came out either.

[Show]

Not saying I don't believe you but, I doubt reps know at this point. I have friends that work at Sprint and haven't heard anything. One of them being in a department that would know before care reps.

But who knows, maybe news came out today. I haven't pestered them yet. :)

I tend to go with what the people on the board has said abotu not believing what the rep says, however two different reps in two different departments saying the same thing made me start to wonder. I have not even called my friends up yet to ask. I'm going to call just to see what they will say.

[NM08SRT8]

I tend to go with what the people on the board has said abotu not believing what the rep says, however two different reps in two different departments saying the same thing made me start to wonder. I have not even called my friends up yet to ask. I'm going to call just to see what they will say.
Well remember, tons of people asked their "sources" that coincidentally "confirmed" a 2/15 launch date of the Pre. Well, 2/15 has come and gone, and those ass hats are nowhere to be found. Their sources were a crock, as well as what everyone at Sprint knows. You think you're going to find out anything about this phone? Hell, we had to hear it from Palm, before Sprint.. up until then, we had NO idea it was a Sprint exclusive, We had no idea it was webOS and not "Palm Nova" for the OS name... We simply didn't know. Sprint didn't know anything until Palm made an announcement, and Dan Hesse. Employees til this day, have no idea about anything, up until what they have heard like the rest of us. Only the HIGH HIGH HIGH up's in Sprint know something, and their job is probably on the line if anything that they know (which is probably monitored by Dan or someone close to him, AND Palm) gets out in the open, that person's job is compromised.

This, to Palm and Sprint is a big game of chess. They give out what info they want to people, and tell them, "this doesn't leave this room, or your mouth, or else..". And if that info they told these people gets leaked, I'm sure there will be some pretty big consequences to go along with it.

All I'm saying is, Asking Sprint 10000 times a day, and peoples "sources" isn't going to get us any closer to anything. All you're doing is tossing around dates, and that's how rumors get started, hopes get up all high, then smashed, how fights start, how threads get shut down. Just let the phone come out when it comes out. The only concrete things we've heard is.. 1H, 2009!!! Not 3/15, not 2/15, not March, Not April, not December, it is 1H, 2009. So leave it at that

[Show]

I won't say I will leave it at that. I put it out there exactly how I received the info. It's YOUR CHOICE whether you read the post or believe it. This is a forum people choose to talk about different things. No offense but telling people to leave it at that is kinda like your the grand master and I should bow down and listen to you. Not cool and I do my own thing.

I understand what you said but people will fight over something like this? That's crazy. As adults we an agree to disagree and thats cool. Chances are you may be correct and I could be wrong. Did I get a little excited...sure I did. Do I hope its true? Of course. But I said exactly what happened and how I got the information so people could make their own conclusion.I'm not going to fight anyone over something like this. Dude it's not that serious to get all up in arms. if someone wants to fight over this they are on their own

[NM08SRT8]

I've hardly posted in these threads because people are so damn ignorant. I still to this day, have no idea why they think the way they do, say the things they say, and act the way they act about this. I'm fine with the phone coming out whenever. I'm not so gung ho about a concrete release date. It's like everyone forget this is just a phone, and act like this is a invitation to survive a comet strike to kill earth. I hope your source and you ARE right, but I'm not going to base my life off of yours or other peoples "sources" "solid" dates.

[Show]

I've hardly posted in these threads because people are so damn ignorant. I still to this day, have no idea why they think the way they do, say the things they say, and act the way they act about this. I'm fine with the phone coming out whenever. I'm not so gung ho about a concrete release date. It's like everyone forget this is just a phone, and act like this is a invitation to survive a comet strike to kill earth. I hope your source and you ARE right, but I'm not going to base my life off of yours or other peoples "sources" "solid" dates.

I can't say that I blame you. No reason for people to be ignorant in the threads...we all may be excited but when you look at it, its just a phone. (Still I want one! :hee:)

I won't claim my date to be concrete, will only say thats what the reps told me. Now watch I get cussed out of it doesn't come out on that date.:1zhelp:

[parazitu22]

I can't say that I blame you. No reason for people to be ignorant in the threads...we all may be excited but when you look at it, its just a phone. (Still I want one! :hee:)

I won't claim my date to be concrete, will only say thats what the reps told me. Now watch I get cussed out of it doesn't come out on that date.:1zhelp:

Haha! I really hope your date is true, just so you don't get cussed out and stuff :lol:

[NM08SRT8]

Data tethering is a go on Palm Pre


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2009/02/palm-pre-specs-tethering.jpg




Source: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/02/11/data-tethering-is-a-go-on-palm-pre/

Welp, Here's a zinger..

Palm Pre no longer features data tethering on Sprint website

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/02/prespecsdelta.jpg

Sigh, we knew it was too good to be true -- data tethering has been removed from the Palm Pre's spec list on Sprint's site and replaced with a "connector" section. We don't know if Sprint's just trying to clean things up or if it muscled Palm into killing the feature in order to drive new Simply Everything + Mobile Broadband subscriptions, but we do know that we're having a hard time turning these frowns upside-down. Come on, Sprint, say you don't mean it, okay?

Source: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/02/19/palm-pre-no-longer-features-data-tethering-on-sprint-website/

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Welp, Here's a zinger..

Palm Pre no longer features data tethering on Sprint website

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/02/prespecsdelta.jpg



Source: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/02/19/palm-pre-no-longer-features-data-tethering-on-sprint-website/

Cheers to Hotels and coffee shops and anywhere else that offers free WiFi :headbang2. $149 dollars? $50 more if you want to tether? I like the SE the way it is now but that sounds a bit expensove to me. Even AT&T (whom I hate offers the best laptop connect card at $35 a month.

[Mylkii]

March 15th release....I gotta go see it in person!

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March 15th release....I gotta go see it in person!

March 15th release for what? The Pro? Or are you saying the Pre? Where do you get your information from? Not getting excited.

[meatpopsicle]

It's been confirmed that Pro comes out on March 15th. Palm said on their twitter that the Pre DOES NOT come out on March 15th.

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It's been confirmed that Pro comes out on March 15th. Palm said on their twitter that the Pre DOES NOT come out on March 15th.

Palm CEO Ed Colligan said the Pre is still on track to be on store shelves by June 30, although "as expected we’ve got a difficult transition period to work through."

I got that on a link on another thread. If they wait until June 30 they may have lost a few customers.

[NINO63004]

If it comes out June 30th that would be great since that is my birthday :)

[fatboy]

i want it NOW damint being on on the NOW network ...... lol die sprint i hate you you teasing SOBs

[AmeriKenny]

i want it NOW damint being on on the NOW network ...... lol die sprint i hate you you teasing SOBs
A-men to that.

[laravia18]

i want it NOW damint being on on the NOW network ...... lol die sprint i hate you you teasing SOBs

I agree! No one likes a tease.:frustrate

[AmeriKenny]

I agree! No one likes a tease.:frustrate
That brings up a good point. Maybe it's finally starting to make sense why Sprint is hemorrhaging customers to AT&T and Verizon. They are sick and tired of waiting and being teased. Such a stupid administration is in charge of Sprint.

[BTSmith]

March 15th release....I gotta go see it in person!

You are confusing the pro with the pre or talked to a CSR who did.

[tnman]

I saw on Pre Central where they had Roger McNamee 's video. He mentioned targeting women, If so they are going to need to get creative in colors for the Pre. I think most women will buy the phone because of the color not the features. My wife has a red Centro, she did not want a smart phone/PDA as much as she wanted a red phone. Most of the people at my work confirm this with souses.girlfriends. TGhey need to have replacable covers that come in differnet colors.

I think they should make one that looks like a rock or a pebble since they claim that is the inspiration for the shape. would be cool to have one that looked like a stone.

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I saw on Pre Central where they had Roger McNamee 's video. He mentioned targeting women, If so they are going to need to get creative in colors for the Pre. I think most women will buy the phone because of the color not the features. My wife has a red Centro, she did not want a smart phone/PDA as much as she wanted a red phone. Most of the people at my work confirm this with souses.girlfriends. TGhey need to have replacable covers that come in differnet colors.

I think they should make one that looks like a rock or a pebble since they claim that is the inspiration for the shape. would be cool to have one that looked like a stone.

Ok so they want tp make the Pre purdyyyyyy for the woman...ok think about that ahead of time. Hopefully they will keep a non purdy on for the fellas. The Black works fine. I do hope they put more thought into the system

[Psmolar]

taking a long time to come out. better be worth it, as in no flaws no problems, great software.

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taking a long time to come out. better be worth it, as in no flaws no problems, great software.

almost every phone will have some type of problem we just hopt it's kept to a minimum. the software and system are the main things i want to work. the people who buy it for being pretty won't use 85% of the features

[Psmolar]

correct....as long as there are no problems on day one. They would look like fools if they had problems with the battery. thats something else that there should be no problems

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correct....as long as there are no problems on day one. They would look like fools if they had problems with the battery. thats something else that there should be no problems

I agree. Speaking of the battery has anyone heard the specs on the battery life yet?

[patchs]

Ok so they want tp make the Pre purdyyyyyy for the woman...ok think about that ahead of time. Hopefully they will keep a non purdy on for the fellas. The Black works fine. I do hope they put more thought into the system

They made the Centro in different colors, including pink and it turned out OK.
Whatever it takes for Sprint and Palm to sell Pres to every demographic works for me.

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They made the Centro in different colors, including pink and it turned out OK.
Whatever it takes for Sprint and Palm to sell Pres to every demographic works for me.

as long as the software and system are working great they can make it as purdy as they want. otherwise the phone will be crap

[NM08SRT8]

taking a long time to come out. better be worth it, as in no flaws no problems, great software.
Oh stop it.. It's not taking a long time to come out. It's still within its "1H, 2009" timeframe that they stated the phone would be out in.

Another thing, the phone WILL have some flaws, it's almost a guarantee. No phone is perfect and no phone has ever come out with no problems/bugs.

[Psmolar]

my m-1 had no flaws or bugs, in fact none of my sanyos had any flaws (rl5200, and an old candy bar style) Flaws are not acceptable. They spent to much on R&D for it to have flaws. I have quite a few friends who want me to get a blackberry none of them have had any problems, minus the guy that drop his in the toliet.

Call your local Sprint Store and tell them "I want my Palm Pre NOW!!
those in thier 30's will get the joke.

[tnman]

I have the M-1 also, No bugs... BUT I think everyone would agree that you are talking about apples and oranges my friend. THe M-1 is a phone, the Pre is a breaking edge technology, go where no phone has gone before (synergy) phone. It has a NEW OS, not just a NEW phone but a NEW OS. It WILL have issues! It will not be Palm's fault, unless it is just huge. If you want the perfect phone with no issues than they could have it out for you in 1Q 2010.

[Psmolar]

well, it's been in the testing phase long enough to keep issues at a bare minimum. In fact what I heard from sprint and palm they want to get production up. At least they are makinh it sound like a solid phone. The first time I turn that pre on and i see "system read error l569" think i would trade it for a black berry. Flaws like i said are not good at all in my mind they really cant be fixed, lets use the word glitch. But we will see when it comes out. Plam and sprint arent new to the game. It should be solid. I believe in them

[NM08SRT8]

Well first of all, any and every phone will have a "glitch" be it small or very big. Now what you're talking about, you're making it sound confusing if you're referring to hardware glitches/problems or software glitches/problems. I for one am fine with a few of them... And the focus shouldn't be them making a perfect phone with no problems for launch, but about how in-tune and gung-ho their R&D Department are for gathering everyones info who are having problems and releasing the proper updates to fix the software related problems. I would rather have extremely long term support of the phone via updates, as oppose to them just launching the phone and not really supporting it much after.

[meatpopsicle]

I am perfectly fine with software bugs and glitches, as long as I can make basic phone calls. That's because they can and will push updates out, rapidly, OTA just like they've been doing with the G1 to polish it up after release.

To expect no problems out of the box, especially with a complicated phone that does more than make calls and store numbers, is just ridiculous.

[NM08SRT8]

I am perfectly fine with software bugs and glitches, as long as I can make basic phone calls. That's because they can and will push updates out, rapidly, OTA just like they've been doing with the G1 to polish it up after release.

To expect no problems out of the box, especially with a complicated phone that does more than make calls and store numbers, is just ridiculous.
Meat.. I think we finally agree on something here..

[PlatMan]

I was really hoping the Pre would have a removable external SD card with a min. of 16GB, 32GB would of been awesome. Granted it will have 8GB of internal memory, but the norm now a days is to have removable memory as well so you can use it in other devices and switch up memory cards.

The 16GB and 32GB SD cards by Sandisk are now available, so if Palm is going to come out with a new device of such caliper, then why not go for the gusto and have removable memory, also!

Bad move on Palm's part to not include external memory option.

I doubt very much if I will be getting the Pre now. I like being able to swap memory and cards from one type of device to another as I'm sure many of you also like.

[aknipp62]

Understandable PlatMan. It is convenient to be able to switch out cards but it hasn't changed my decision. I'm still getting one!

[NM08SRT8]

I was really hoping the Pre would have a removable external SD card with a min. of 16GB, 32GB would of been awesome. Granted it will have 8GB of internal memory, but the norm now a days is to have removable memory as well so you can use it in other devices and switch up memory cards.

The 16GB and 32GB SD cards by Sandisk are now available, so if Palm is going to come out with a new device of such caliper, then why not go for the gusto and have removable memory, also!

Bad move on Palm's part to not include external memory option.

I doubt very much if I will be getting the Pre now. I like being able to swap memory and cards from one type of device to another as I'm sure many of you also like.
I remember them saying they didn't include an external slot because they wanted to keep the curve form of the phone, and by doing that, it would have thrown off the design/curve by a few mm's and they didn't think it was worth it, or whatever. They wanted it to be "perfect"? idk.. I'm fine with just 8 gigs, but I could see where media hungry people would want 16/32gigs+

[meatpopsicle]

I have often wondered if the reason some devices don't allow for expansion cards, especially the first iteration of that device is the wildly differing speeds of memory out there.

It can potentially make the product look bad, depending on what you store on a slow card.

[NM08SRT8]

Doesn't it take like almost no space at all to include a card slot? I mean the cards are so damn small

[aknipp62]

Doesn't it take like almost no space at all to include a card slot? I mean the cards are so damn small

yea but the circuitry to read and write to it takes up space on the inside as well. And depending on the complexity of the circuit, could increase the overall specs of the final exterior.

[meatpopsicle]

I'm not talking about vanity of the product. I'm talking about it's performance.

If you store lots of stuff, or especially if you install lots of programs, on to a slow as hell memory card, the device is going to seem slow any time it needs info off that card.

You would have a lot of joe six packs talking about how the phone sucks and is laggy and slow, posting all over the internet, creating negative buzz. When in reality, they just bought and used a slow memory card.

[NM08SRT8]

yea but the circuitry to read and write to it takes up space on the inside as well. And depending on the complexity of the circuit, could increase the overall specs of the final exterior.
Yeah.. True. oh well. I had made a little joke a while back that it would be funny if Palm had like a 10slot Memory Card reader attachment lol.

But you know what would be sick!!! *Just thought of this*

to have a portable memory card reader via Bluetooth..

Pros - You would have your card reader

Cons - Could loose it.
Extra piece to carry around

Still, kinda a good idea tho..

[aknipp62]

joe six packs

HA!:hee:

[aknipp62]

hmmm....memory card reader via Bluetooth....

*jots idea down in things to take credit for
haha! j/k

that does sound like a good idea though.

[meatpopsicle]

hmmm....memory card reader via Bluetooth....

*jots idea down in things to take credit for
haha! j/k

that does sound like a good idea though.

That would be REALLY slow and drain your battery pretty fast. Still a good idea though, and would be useful.

[NM08SRT8]

And then the card slot could be joined up with the TouchStone.. and it can be hooked up by USB to double as USB/Data sync wirelessly.

[PlatMan]

A card slot could be installed inside by the battery like the Renegade V950 and still be a removable card. It doesn't have to be outside and as far as the design looks of the phone, I don't see how that could change it whatsoever.

That is one feature I would truly miss!

[NM08SRT8]

A card slot could be installed inside by the battery like the Renegade V950 and still be a removable card. It doesn't have to be outside and as far as the design looks of the phone, I don't see how that could change it whatsoever.

That is one feature I would truly miss!
Well I'm guessing from a engineers standpoint, it was. I'll try to remember where I saw/heard/read this from. It's been 2+ months since, so bare with me.

[NachoB]

Are you referring to Matt Crowley's post on FaceBook?
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=6592&uid=32915930478#topic_top
Post #11

microSD:
‘Design’ was the highest goal on the Palm Pre project. The phone has to look and function great in the hand and up against the face on a call. The decision to include or not include expandable storage is an easy one when design is the highest priority. The physical size of the device would have been compromised if we added another physical component to Pre. Just a millimeter can seriously impact the curvature of the design in a way that minimizes the design intent. We wanted to maintain a slick curved slider design without building out too much thickness. When you look at the two parts of the product and see how thin they really are, you may be amazed that we were able to fit everything in. And yes, all the stuff does fit.

[NM08SRT8]

Are you referring to Matt Crowley's post on FaceBook?
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=6592&uid=32915930478#topic_top
Post #11
I don't have a facebook, but yes, That is the statement made about the card slot. Thank You!

[snowdizx]

Palm pre pricing revealed...

http://i.gizmodo.com/5168926/pre-available-first-half-of-2009-pricing-plans-confirmed

Dammit, i want grandfathered SERO AND Pre to be allowed dammit.... --snowdizx

[YankeeFan01]

Their twitter is misleading though http://twitter.com/SprintNews
"Simply Everything is not a requirement for the #Pre."

Could mean the 99.99 plan doesnt require it. But from Cnet's blog review "Q: What plans do you need for the Pre?
A: Host of plans within Individual, Family, and Business. Simply Everything is not required. Recommends unlimited data plan since the Pre is so connected." we might still have some hope!



p.s. i posted this twice, my bad

[snowdizx]

I wonder if the 'old school' SERO plans will be compatible with the Pre, something tells me sprint will eventually try to transition folks off of them somehow. --snowdizx

[soggystockings]

After watching iphone 3.0 today I am wondering if the Pre has some "secret" features that haven't been discussed yet. It looks like the iphone has covered it all but video(unless I missed that part). I need something that will make me take a step back and say "Holy :ohcrap:" This Pre now here is a cool phone!

[d12a60n]

Well for one, it's only showed its "base" functions. I bet there will be some REALLY cool apps for download during release date (hopefully) that will allow us to immediately see what else the phone can do

[twennywonn]

After watching iphone 3.0 today I am wondering if the Pre has some "secret" features that haven't been discussed yet. It looks like the iphone has covered it all but video(unless I missed that part). I need something that will make me take a step back and say "Holy :ohcrap:" This Pre now here is a cool phone!

well muti-tasking is a huge value for the pre also 3.0 did not add the physical keyboard everyone was hoping for. Kidding aside, mark my words the Pre will best the iPhone i guarantee it however Palm should be concerned for when the next iPhone launches. The current iPhone simply doesn't have the hardware capability of the Pre but Apple will come out guns a blazing with their next phone.

[PokerFace23]

Their twitter is misleading though http://twitter.com/SprintNews
"Simply Everything is not a requirement for the #Pre."

Could mean the 99.99 plan doesnt require it. But from Cnet's blog review "Q: What plans do you need for the Pre?
A: Host of plans within Individual, Family, and Business. Simply Everything is not required. Recommends unlimited data plan since the Pre is so connected." we might still have some hope!

Remember there's a difference between Everything and Simply Everything. SIMPLY EVERYTHING (99.99 unlimited minutes, etc..) is not required meaning you can put it on the 450 and 900 plan. you don't HAVE to have unlimited minutes.

[mrdavis55]

well said dean....

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well muti-tasking is a huge value for the pre also 3.0 did not add the physical keyboard everyone was hoping for. Kidding aside, mark my words the Pre will best the iPhone i guarantee it however Palm should be concerned for when the next iPhone launches. The current iPhone simply doesn't have the hardware capability of the Pre but Apple will come out guns a blazing with their next phone.

Hopefully they have alreadt begun thinking about a upgraded Pre so when Apple comes out Palm can do something that will raise the bar high once again.

[mrdavis55]

I'm sure it won't be long before we see a version of the centro running webOS....

[NM08SRT8]

I'm sure it won't be long before we see a version of the centro running webOS....
There IS TealOS.. Not authentic but it gives the user a very close experience.

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There IS TealOS.. Not authentic but it gives the user a very close experience.

Thank goodness for the Pre..maybe the Centro will die a quick death.

[AmeriKenny]

Thank goodness for the Pre..maybe the Centro will die a quick death.
It doesn't necessarily need to die. It just needs a better O.S. :icon_smil

[NM08SRT8]

It doesn't necessarily need to die. It just needs a better O.S. :icon_smil
And that's TealOS lol.

Na, I'm sure they will come out with a "Centro2" with WebOS, but idk, I mean with such a small screen, I think with it being such a touch screen using device, the tiny real estate of the Centro2 will shrink the enjoyment of WebOS, IMO

[AmeriKenny]

And that's TealOS lol.

Na, I'm sure they will come out with a "Centro2" with WebOS, but idk, I mean with such a small screen, I think with it being such a touch screen using device, the tiny real estate of the Centro2 will shrink the enjoyment of WebOS, IMO
What about if the Centro's version of WebOS had cards that filled up the whole screen? So when you flip over to another "card" or application, it would fill up the whole screen? I think that would be a good way to solve that problem. :deal: But whether Palm will take my advice is another thing. :frustrate

[NM08SRT8]

What about if the Centro's version of WebOS had cards that filled up the whole screen? So when you flip over to another "card" or application, it would fill up the whole screen? I think that would be a good way to solve that problem. :deal: But whether Palm will take my advice is another thing. :frustrate
Yeah I think that would be a good one. I mean since the
Centro has more buttons, maybe implement some of the gestures as buttons instead?

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And that's TealOS lol.

Na, I'm sure they will come out with a "Centro2" with WebOS, but idk, I mean with such a small screen, I think with it being such a touch screen using device, the tiny real estate of the Centro2 will shrink the enjoyment of WebOS, IMO

If there is ever a phone marketed for woman IMO it's the Centro. Just slap on anther color leave it like it is and let it just go away and let Palm work on the Pre and the Pre upgrade and whatever else new that they may have in the works.

[AmeriKenny]

If there is ever a phone marketed for woman IMO it's the Centro. Just slap on anther color leave it like it is and let it just go away and let Palm work on the Pre and the Pre upgrade and whatever else new that they may have in the works.
I think you are right about the Centro being more of a feminine device. I love the thing, but like you said, it was made for women. I just never could get used to it when I owned them. Do you think that the Pre is more "masculine"? :clap:

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I think you are right about the Centro being more of a feminine device. I love the thing, but like you said, it was made for women. I just never could get used to it when I owned them. Do you think that the Pre is more "masculine"? :clap:

It certainly appears to be.

[AmeriKenny]

It certainly appears to be.
:headbang2

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All I know is although it appears to eb a good looking phone the system better be outstanding.

[GrEeN gOBlIn]

will you be able to change the background wallpapers like other newer phones? or is it just going to be the green with the orange sea plants or the pebbles? this phone should have been named the palm pebble.

[HChristianS]

I think the phone is ready
Some small private companies are already testing the phone.

http://twitter.com/adharni/status/1385762153
http://twitter.com/LogicommInc/status/1370616787

will you be able to change the background wallpapers like other newer phones? or is it just going to be the green with the orange sea plants or the pebbles? this phone should have been named the palm pebble.

I think Palm would let you change it, why the hell would they want you to stay with that? hahaha
If you ask me Sprint might upload their own background picture anyway, like they did with the Curve...

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will you be able to change the background wallpapers like other newer phones? or is it just going to be the green with the orange sea plants or the pebbles? this phone should have been named the palm pebble.

I see no reason why you would not be able to do. It's the easiest process and something that is probably standard on most phones in the market.

[NM08SRT8]

Except when you look at the Instinct. Black o Blacky Black was the wallpaper color. and I'm not referring to the lock screen.

[Thug541]

Yes you can.

They would be dumb if they didn't let you.

http://mypre.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ctia-2009-spring-vip-12.jpg

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Yes you can.

They would be dumb if they didn't let you.

http://mypre.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ctia-2009-spring-vip-12.jpg

I figured as such. Wait? No SERO complaining, no I heard it from this person that the Pre is coming on on this or that date? :headbang2 ahhhhhhh!!! lol

[NM08SRT8]

Thinks are calming down now. We got fresh meat to eat.. Instead of the old crap Palm gave us in January at CES.. I was tired of sharing my Ribs with some of you on here! :)

[Thug541]

Yeah i mean we just saw some awesome 3rd party apps.

A pretty nice emulator

Mojo SDK being publically released soon.


Literally all I need to know now are:
1. Battery life
2. Phone quality (if its anything like past Palms it should be awesome).
3. Release date and price.

Can't wait.

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Yeah i mean we just saw some awesome 3rd party apps.

A pretty nice emulator

Mojo SDK being publically released soon.


Literally all I need to know now are:
1. Battery life
2. Phone quality (if its anything like past Palms it should be awesome).
3. Release date and price.

Can't wait.

I'd like to know if I can still use the same Hot Sync that I use with my Treo 755p. Hopefully all I will have to do is make a new name for the new Pre device and can sync up all of my contacts.

I have a lot of media on my card, iwonder if all of the pictures and video clips will transfer over?

[Thug541]

They said in a video of the emulator that you cannot hot sync the device. Looks as if its going to be a lot of manual entry.

But i think the main part of the emulator was to use old applications.

The way it sounds you would end up using the Palm Pre as a dedicated Palm OS device haha....just put your pictures/contacts on the Pre. Use the emulator for old programs.

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They said in a video of the emulator that you cannot hot sync the device. Looks as if its going to be a lot of manual entry.

But i think the main part of the emulator was to use old applications.

The way it sounds you would end up using the Palm Pre as a dedicated Palm OS device haha....just put your pictures/contacts on the Pre. Use the emulator for old programs.

:irked: You're kidding me? To have a phone like the Pre with no way to sync? That doesn't make any sense at all. Who has time to do all of that manual entry for the contacts? Truly crazy. Where is the video that you were talking about located. I'd like to watch it.

[Thug541]

:irked: You're kidding me? To have a phone like the Pre with no way to sync? That doesn't make any sense at all. Who has time to do all of that manual entry for the contacts? Truly crazy. Where is the video that you were talking about located. I'd like to watch it.

Oh wait are you just talking about the normal sync?

I thought you mean the emulator contacts haha.


No contacts don't have hot sync. Here are the ways (that they have annouced) to sync your contacts/calender.

1. Google has contacts and calender.
2. Facebook (haven't really messed with the address book on it but I hope you can just pick some people and not everyone)
3. Exchange server.

If oyu have your contacts in Hot Sync....there is probably a way to export them is to first export them to Microsoft Outlook.

The upload them to Google using this tutorial: http://www.611connect.com/howto/andy_how-to-upload-outlook-contacts-to-gmail-and-g1-android-phone

Or, as I pointed out in another thread, there is a way to set up a "fake" Microsoft exchange server and you can upload from there.

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Oh wait are you just talking about the normal sync?

I thought you mean the emulator contacts haha.


No contacts don't have hot sync. Here are the ways (that they have annouced) to sync your contacts/calender.

1. Google has contacts and calender.
2. Facebook (haven't really messed with the address book on it but I hope you can just pick some people and not everyone)
3. Exchange server.

If oyu have your contacts in Hot Sync....there is probably a way to export them is to first export them to Microsoft Outlook.

The upload them to Google using this tutorial: http://www.611connect.com/howto/andy_how-to-upload-outlook-contacts-to-gmail-and-g1-android-phone

Or, as I pointed out in another thread, there is a way to set up a "fake" Microsoft exchange server and you can upload from there.

Good deal and thanks for the info. I'm sure I will have to come back to this thread. I'm also wondering if I buy the phone rom a Sprint store they should be able to transfer my contact list from my treo 755p to the pre. (hopefully, one time they tried to transfer the idiots erased my entire contact list. i did get 1 1/2 worth of credits so i didn't have to pay my monthly bill for the trouble. I'd rather pay my bill.

Still with all of the hype surrounding this phone you figured that Palm would have had this taken care of and make it easier to transfer. I don't have face book and don't plan on getting it.

[Thug541]

I agree. I think they just have this emphasis on web based updating that hot sync would be counter productive to their new OS.

They should def. come out with a tool that easily moves your hot sync contacts to Google at the very least.

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I agree. I think they just have this emphasis on web based updating that hot sync would be counter productive to their new OS.

They should def. come out with a tool that easily moves your hot sync contacts to Google at the very least.


You would think if this phone can let your appointment in your calendar know your running late then it should be able to sync contacts without a hassle. many business users don't have the time or patience to put in a lot of contacts. A flaw I see....

[Thug541]

You would think if this phone can let your appointment in your calendar know your running late then it should be able to sync contacts without a hassle. many business users don't have the time or patience to put in a lot of contacts. A flaw I see....

Yes, but many companies use Microsoft Exchange which does OTA contact/calender sync.


Btw...off topic, saw this on the CW/Pix 11 news over here in New York.

Pre is getting mainstream coverage which we all know did well for the iPhone.

http://weblogs.wpix.com/news/local/morningnews/blogs/2009/04/mobile_phone_wwiii.html

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Yes, but many companies use Microsoft Exchange which does OTA contact/calender sync.


Btw...off topic, saw this on the CW/Pix 11 news over here in New York.

Pre is getting mainstream coverage which we all know did well for the iPhone.

http://weblogs.wpix.com/news/local/morningnews/blogs/2009/04/mobile_phone_wwiii.html

Yeah the Pre may come with cables or one can use the cable/wire they sync with now... going to check out the video you just sent.

[GatorDeb]

My SERO contract expires in November. If the PRE can be used with SERO, I will stay with Sprint. If it can't, I will leave for AT&T and get an iPhone (already have a Touch so I have tons of apps ready to go). It's as easy as that. I'm tired of crappy phones. The PRE is so epic it has me salivating. If they screw us SERO users, I am dropping them as soon as I can. There's apps that let you do unlimited texting for free on the iPhone so their plan would cost me $70 a month, and I don't go over the 450 minutes, AND they have Rollover. That's all that it's going to come down to.

[NM08SRT8]

My SERO contract expires in November. If the PRE can be used with SERO, I will stay with Sprint. If it can't, I will leave for AT&T and get an iPhone (already have a Touch so I have tons of apps ready to go). It's as easy as that. I'm tired of crappy phones. The PRE is so epic it has me salivating. If they screw us SERO users, I am dropping them as soon as I can. There's apps that let you do unlimited texting for free on the iPhone so their plan would cost me $70 a month, and I don't go over the 450 minutes, AND they have Rollover. That's all that it's going to come down to.
lol.. Please NM08.. hold back.. hold back.. PLEASE!! *bites lip*

[GatorDeb]

Hold back what? Just because others have stated that's their opinion, doesn't mean I can't have the same one.

Whether it will requite the SE plan or allow anyone with an unlimited plan to have the PRE is speculation at this point and won't be final until it comes out. It'd be a shame to have it require the SE plan. $100 a month is too much for a cell plan (so is $70, but it's $30 less).

[NM08SRT8]

Hold back what? Just because others have stated that's their opinion, doesn't mean I can't have the same one.

Whether it will requite the SE plan or allow anyone with an unlimited plan to have the PRE is speculation at this point and won't be final until it comes out. It'd be a shame to have it require the SE plan. $100 a month is too much for a cell plan (so is $70, but it's $30 less).
No, it's not that.. I mean, I would say it but here is not the place. Sorry.

Well, I just hope everything works out for you.

[GatorDeb]

There's always PM. I'm a big girl :D

[meatpopsicle]

My SERO contract expires in November. If the PRE can be used with SERO, I will stay with Sprint. If it can't, I will leave for AT&T and get an iPhone (already have a Touch so I have tons of apps ready to go). It's as easy as that. I'm tired of crappy phones. The PRE is so epic it has me salivating. If they screw us SERO users, I am dropping them as soon as I can. There's apps that let you do unlimited texting for free on the iPhone so their plan would cost me $70 a month, and I don't go over the 450 minutes, AND they have Rollover. That's all that it's going to come down to.

You are willing to more than double your monthly plan so you can have an iphone?

Wow.

[NM08SRT8]

You are willing to more than double your monthly plan so you can have an iphone?

Wow.

You said what I didn't want to lol.

I have no idea when Sprint will release any other info, anyone have an idea?

[GatorDeb]

I want a smartphone. If the PRE cannot be used with the SERO, coupled with no SERO for the Instinct, that lowers my hope of ever having a "cool" phone. So it is a kind of last straw, long-time coming kind of thing. I'm tired of a crappy phone selection. I want the equivalent of a PRE/iPhone/G1, and if Sprint won't give it to me, I will go with the cheapest plan that will (AT&T in this case).

[Park]

I want a smartphone. If the PRE cannot be used with the SERO, coupled with no SERO for the Instinct, that lowers my hope of ever having a "cool" phone. So it is a kind of last straw, long-time coming kind of thing. I'm tired of a crappy phone selection. I want the equivalent of a PRE/iPhone/G1, and if Sprint won't give it to me, I will go with the cheapest plan that will (AT&T in this case).

So why not get the Pre and go with the Everything Data 450 min plan with Sprint? It's $69.99/mo and includes UL texts. Didn't you say you'd have to spend $70/mo for 450 minutes with at&t for the iPhone and you'd get no texts included? If that's the case, why go to at&t at all?

[meatpopsicle]

So why not get the Pre and go with the Everything Data 450 min plan with Sprint? It's $69.99/mo and includes UL texts. Didn't you say you'd have to spend $70/mo for 450 minutes with at&t for the iPhone and you'd get no texts included? If that's the case, why go to at&t at all?

I was going to say the same thing. Sounds like she really just wants an iphone.

[GatorDeb]

Hhmmm I had no idea that Sprint had that plan. If price is the same I would still switch because:

1. I have already spent over $700 on iPhone/iPod Touch applications.

2. There are already iDevice applications already that send texts through the web. So that $70 plan with AT&T would include unlimited texting. No idea if the PRE will have an app like that.

But I'm still hoping to keep the SERO and get the PRE.

[GatorDeb]

I'm on my Centro and I don't see a post edit button. I also wanted to add that rollover minutes is another plus for AT&T all other things being equal because I only use 200-400 anytime minutes per month (I use a lot more nights and weekend minutes).

[cwfluke]

I was going to say the same thing. Sounds like she really just wants an iphone.

That's the major issue as I see it. People won't leave for an iPhone if they currently pay $30 a month. But if they are required to pay $70 to get a 1st generation phone with a 1st generation OS, they are likely to at least strongly consider paying an extra $15 a month for a proven iPhone. $55 a month extra....no way. $15 a month extra......other things immediately come into consideration. Still doesn't change anything though. Sprint will either require a plan change, or they won't - and they'll reap both the benefits and consequences of either decision. I don't know what the "right" decision is for Sprint.....I know what it is for me......but that's not necessarily in concert with what's best for Sprint as a whole.

[NM08SRT8]

That's the major issue as I see it. People won't leave for an iPhone if they currently pay $30 a month. But if they are required to pay $70 to get a 1st generation phone with a 1st generation OS, they are likely to at least strongly consider paying an extra $15 a month for a proven iPhone. $55 a month extra....no way. $15 a month extra......other things immediately come into consideration. Still doesn't change anything though. Sprint will either require a plan change, or they won't - and they'll reap both the benefits and consequences of either decision. I don't know what the "right" decision is for Sprint.....I know what it is for me......but that's not necessarily in concert with what's best for Sprint as a whole.
Remember, Unl Text which is $20 is still required on top of the iPhone data plan to have unl texting. Once again, when I had att and the 3G iPhone, I had 900 minutes, iPhone data plan, Unl Texting, nights and weekends at 7pm, with NO INSURANCE, and was paying about $140ish

$140 for 900 minutes... 900 MINUTES! NO INSURANCE

I mean she can do whatever she wants to do, that's obvious. But I can now see that now I'm not the only one who thinks people complaining about a plan change on Sprint, get mad when they need to change their plan for the phone they are wanting (Pre), but are so quick to get an iPhone and pay more. I simply don't get it other than they want an iPhone, like Meat said.

- You're on a cheap grandfathered plan $30 a month

- Sprint requires you to change to SE plan to get Pre

- You could switch to a 450 minute plan for $69.99 that has everything

- But no, you switch to a $70 minute/data plan for the iPhone and still don't have text


Deb, I'm in no way trying to attack you. I'm just wanting to know what makes it any easier to switch for the iPhone, just because Sprint will require a plan change? Please also check your coverage area where you're located. Because what good is a phone, or the almighty iPhone if you can't send text's or make phone calls because you got no service coverage. That's why I had to get rid of att for me, my office didn't have any service, but house had full 3G.

Note: cwfluke, iPhone's OS on all generations are upgradable to the latest 2.1 and the upcoming 3.0. So there is no difference except the 1st gen can't send MMS, and cant support a few other things. But that's hardware, not the software that is upgradable on all devices.

[GatorDeb]

I'm in Vegas and had Cingular for 3 years or so, so I'm good. I switched from Cingular to Sprint because of SERO.

And as I've mentioned twice, the $70 plan for AT&T would have unlimited texting because there's tons of programs out there that send texts through the Internet, so no texting plan required.

So the price is the same, but with AT&T I get rollover and a phone that I already have tons of apps for.

[NM08SRT8]

Well then Deb, what are you waiting for? Go get that lovely device and live it up! :) Hate to see you leave, but there is apparently nothing stopping you from what your mind is set on.

Good luck with the move and hope everything runs smoothly.

[Thug541]

Tons of usable aps?

The most important apps are already up and running on the Pre.


The "15,000" apps number is cool and all, but what the hell...the Palm OS has over 30,000 applications (before it was cool to say apps)...how many were truly useful?

And I haven't met many people that need more than 500 minutes these days ...and finding a benefit from rollover means you obviously don't use that many a month either.

The double edge sword of rollover minutes. Just makes you feel you are getting more for your money.

[GatorDeb]

Well then Deb, what are you waiting for? Go get that lovely device and live it up! :) Hate to see you leave, but there is apparently nothing stopping you from what your mind is set on.

Good luck with the move and hope everything runs smoothly.

It all depends on the SERO/PRE compatibility ;) I don't want to move. I will only move if SERO and PRE are not compatible. And my contract expires in November so I won't move until then anyway.

I have over $700 on iPod Touch/iPhone apps, so if I get an iPhone I already have tons of apps for it.

It's really not up to me, it's up to Sprint. I've given them a year and a half to give me a decent phone. Hopefully they deliver.

[Park]

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I'm in Vegas and had Cingular for 3 years or so, so I'm good. I switched from Cingular to Sprint because of SERO.

And as I've mentioned twice, the $70 plan for AT&T would have unlimited texting because there's tons of programs out there that send texts through the Internet, so no texting plan required.

So the price is the same, but with AT&T I get rollover and a phone that I already have tons of apps for.

Just make sure you test those texting apps before you switch. Apple doesn't allow apps with duplicate functionality (a rule they uaually just apply with regard to their own apps), which means the texting apps probably won't function the same as native texting. For example, you may be able to send texts like normal, but your friends won't be able to simply text you using just your phone number. They may have to use an email address.

[Show]

No offsense but dang, I too get tired of people b**ching and moaning about their SERO plans and whether Sprint will do this or that. Either you will pay whatever Sprint requires you or not. I'm not defending Sprint but IMO AT&T s*cks and can kick rocks. I've dealth with them and would never do so again unless forced too.

People want phones that can do everything but don't want to pay the cost to play. It's not that I want to pay a gazillion dollars every month but I know in a lot of cases you have to play to pay. As far as I can tell the SE plans are the best on the market for the buck. Just my opinion. I already said to much as I didn't want to change the topic or intent of this thread.

Soooooooooooo any new info on the Pre? the next Pre or 4G?

[GatorDeb]

I was browsing the plans and was offered text help... I asked whether the PRE will work with SERO and they closed the chat on me :lol:

[Park]

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Well then Deb, what are you waiting for? Go get that lovely device and live it up! :) Hate to see you leave, but there is apparently nothing stopping you from what your mind is set on.

Good luck with the move and hope everything runs smoothly.

It all depends on the SERO/PRE compatibility ;) I don't want to move. I will only move if SERO and PRE are not compatible. And my contract expires in November so I won't move until then anyway.

I have over $700 on iPod Touch/iPhone apps, so if I get an iPhone I already have tons of apps for it.

It's really not up to me, it's up to Sprint. I've given them a year and a half to give me a decent phone. Hopefully they deliver.

Respectfully Deb, it's up to YOU, not Sprint. I know what you're getting at, that either Sprint let's you use the Pre on SERO, or you're leaving Sprint. But Sprint doesn't owe you anything, so this is YOUR choice.

[GatorDeb]

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Respectfully Deb, it's up to YOU, not Sprint. I know what you're getting at, that either Sprint let's you use the Pre on SERO, or you're leaving Sprint. But Sprint doesn't owe you anything, so this is YOUR choice.

Right, and my choice depends on what they do :)

FWIW

Agent: Thank you for visiting Sprint. What questions can I answer for you today?
You: Hi. I was wondering whether the PRE will work with SERO?
Agent: I can help you with that..Please click on the "Yes" button below and we can continue. <a href="asfunction:goToPersistentChat,/assets/scripts/inq/inqChat.html?height=160&place=S&surveyID=55&sX=200&sY=100&clientID=154&cID=84744%26%26E3930353C313A32303" target="_blank"></a>
Agent: Are you currently a Sprint customer?
Agent: Yes, all the phones will work with the SERO plan.
You: I am a current customer
Agent: Perfect! Are you looking to upgrade your phone or add a new line today?
You: but the Blackberrys don't work with sero
Agent: Yes, it does.
Agent: Would you like to upgrade your phone, add a new phone to share minutes, add a new phone and plan, or modify your phone services?
You: could you double check? because for instance the instinct doesn't work with sero
You: it needs a simply everything plan
You: and the blackberrys need a $20 data plan
You: so.... not all phone now work with sero. I was wondering if the pre will.
Agent: Yes, the Pre would.
Agent: But we don't have it out right now.
Agent: You would need to keep checking back for it ok?
Agent: Is there anything else I can help you with today?
You: so the pre will not need a simply everything plan or a $70 plan, it will work with the $30 SERO plan?
Agent: That's correct.
Agent: Is there anything else I can help you with today?
You: do you have an ID # or last name I can reference this with in case they tell me I can't have it when it comes out?
Agent: No, we do not.
Agent: Please keep checking back for it.
You: I guess the transcrit will have to do. Thanks

[cwfluke]

As far as I can tell the SE plans are the best on the market for the buck.

Actually the SERO plans are better :wavey:

[cwfluke]

Once again, when I had att and the 3G iPhone, I had 900 minutes, iPhone data plan, Unl Texting, nights and weekends at 7pm, with NO INSURANCE, and was paying about $140ish

$140 for 900 minutes... 900 MINUTES! NO INSURANCE


The "equivalent" Sprint EP with 450 minutes on AT&T is $90 a month. Its $85 if you don't need more than 1500 text messages a month and I would venture to say "most" don't. Text messaging levels is something as far as I can tell Sprint doesn't even offer anymore on their "new plans". The more minutes you need a month - the larger discrepancy there is between Sprint and AT&T. The less minutes, the smaller the discrepancy becomes. $15 a month isn't enough of a savings (to some perhaps) to stay with Sprint and the Pre over AT&T and an iPhone.

And I'm not *****ing or complaining or whining or anything - I'm just trying to state facts. Sprint's still cheaper - but the margin isn't as big as some people would have you believe.

[NM08SRT8]

Oh stop it..

[cwfluke]

Oh stop it..

OK :hug:

[Matt]

*shaking head*

[meatpopsicle]

I wonder how many threads we can get locked in one week....

[R0B3RT0]

Ive been out-of-pocket a while since my account was locked and banned, whatever!!!

Did anyone else notice on the new Meet Pre page, http://now.sprint.com/pre/?id9=vanity:palmpre , it states * GPS requires data services at additional cost. I dont think if it required a SE it would show that.

[Darrion88]

The "equivalent" Sprint EP with 450 minutes on AT&T is $90 a month. Its $85 if you don't need more than 1500 text messages a month and I would venture to say "most" don't. Text messaging levels is something as far as I can tell Sprint doesn't even offer anymore on their "new plans". The more minutes you need a month - the larger discrepancy there is between Sprint and AT&T. The less minutes, the smaller the discrepancy becomes. $15 a month isn't enough of a savings (to some perhaps) to stay with Sprint and the Pre over AT&T and an iPhone.

And I'm not *****ing or complaining or whining or anything - I'm just trying to state facts. Sprint's still cheaper - but the margin isn't as big as some people would have you believe.

T-mobile offers an unlimited calling plan for $50, 400 texts and unlimited data for $25 and unlimited text and data for $35. That's $85 bucks for an equivalent of Sprint's Simply Everything Plan a $15 difference per month. Additionally, Verizon and AT&T control such high market share they currently offer several companies, federal, state and credit unions monthly discounts on their plans. The plan pricing is not as drastic as it would seem. If I'd be willing to spend $70+ a month I too would seriously consider an iPhone.

I'm just about as excited a person for the Pre but it will but their sales will be significantly stifled if people are required to get any Everything Plan on it.

[NM08SRT8]

T-mobile offers an unlimited calling plan for $50, 400 texts and unlimited data for $25 and unlimited text and data for $35. That's $85 bucks for an equivalent of Sprint's Simply Everything Plan a $15 difference per month. Additionally, Verizon and AT&T control such high market share they currently offer several companies, federal, state and credit unions monthly discounts on their plans. The plan pricing is not as drastic as it would seem. If I'd be willing to spend $70+ a month I too would seriously consider an iPhone.

I'm just about as excited a person for the Pre but it will but their sales will be significantly stifled if people are required to get any Everything Plan on it.
But you would switch and be required to get a iPhone data plan.. wouldn't you still be switching to get what you want?

[starswilldiex]

while it's true that $15 dollars isn't really a huge difference in going to AT&T but honestly why would you? with sprint you can get so many different perks and discounts if you just try that it's kind of pointless to switch.

your whole thing is that AT&T has rollover. big deal. sprint has pick 3. my boyfriend has the 450 min 69.99 plan and the pick 3 is added. he always has extra minutes b/c either the people he talks to are on the pick 3 or we have sprint also so free m2m. also have a 25% discount so even though he is on a 69.99 plan plus insurance and fees its only about 65 a month.

sure it isn't sero but it is still better than paying 85 with AT&T just b/c you can't get sero on sprint.

and as far as the apps go im sure there are going to be a lot of free apps for the pre when they first come out because palm is going to want to promote their new os and their new software for developing apps on webos.

personally i'd rather stick with sprint no matter what but that's just me. the iphone has never really appealed to me. and i have always gotten good perks with sprint whenever i tried.

[Darrion88]

But you would switch and be required to get a iPhone data plan.. wouldn't you still be switching to get what you want?

I wouldn't want to switch myself as I'm happy with my current plan, however, let's imagine a world where we didn't have a choice to remain on our old plans, I'd pay the slight premium to get the iPhone over going for the Pre.

I'm currently looking at getting a new Palm Pro off ebay if I can't get the Pre without the plan change. I would certainly move to another carrier if the right plan came along but again, I've been really happy with Sprint's service and would prefer not to. The cell market is fully saturated now and carriers are looking for other paths to revenue (ie. data plans, 3g netbooks, etc.). Analysts are predicting pricing wars soon and I expect there will be packaged plans by the majors soon that match or beat the EPs. You need to have a lower price point for those packages to get users interested in 'smarter' phones. I'm also certain that Apple will have an answer to the recession woes with an alternative this summer that won't need as high a priced plan.

In order for Sprint to slow the bleeding they need to open this to as many users as possible.

[GatorDeb]

Why so smartphones have such small screens? (i.e. Centro, Pro).

I want an HTC HD but they're $800 or so.

I have a feeling the PRE will work with SERO and I'll be getting one in October when my contract expires and I can get $150 off instead of $75 off, unless there's a sweet intro offer :)

[Park]

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Why so smartphones have such small screens? (i.e. Centro, Pro).

I want an HTC HD but they're $800 or so.

I have a feeling the PRE will work with SERO and I'll be getting one in October when my contract expires and I can get $150 off instead of $75 off, unless there's a sweet intro offer :)

The screens on those phones are "small" because there's also a keyboard. They're not sliders, so the keyboard takes up some of the space.

[Show]

The "equivalent" Sprint EP with 450 minutes on AT&T is $90 a month. Its $85 if you don't need more than 1500 text messages a month and I would venture to say "most" don't. Text messaging levels is something as far as I can tell Sprint doesn't even offer anymore on their "new plans". The more minutes you need a month - the larger discrepancy there is between Sprint and AT&T. The less minutes, the smaller the discrepancy becomes. $15 a month isn't enough of a savings (to some perhaps) to stay with Sprint and the Pre over AT&T and an iPhone.

And I'm not *****ing or complaining or whining or anything - I'm just trying to state facts. Sprint's still cheaper - but the margin isn't as big as some people would have you believe.

AT&T..BARF!!! If you think Sprint CS is bad I've heard worse about AT&T. And I can go from my experience a long time ago. And Sprints coverage from what I see is just as good if not better. My girl has AT&T and I get better coverage than here when we are together.

[Show]

I wouldn't want to switch myself as I'm happy with my current plan, however, let's imagine a world where we didn't have a choice to remain on our old plans, I'd pay the slight premium to get the iPhone over going for the Pre.

I'm currently looking at getting a new Palm Pro off ebay if I can't get the Pre without the plan change. I would certainly move to another carrier if the right plan came along but again, I've been really happy with Sprint's service and would prefer not to. The cell market is fully saturated now and carriers are looking for other paths to revenue (ie. data plans, 3g netbooks, etc.). Analysts are predicting pricing wars soon and I expect there will be packaged plans by the majors soon that match or beat the EPs. You need to have a lower price point for those packages to get users interested in 'smarter' phones. I'm also certain that Apple will have an answer to the recession woes with an alternative this summer that won't need as high a priced plan.

In order for Sprint to slow the bleeding they need to open this to as many users as possible.

Right now they just need to release the Pre and then they can worry about price wars later. IMO Price wars may work against Sprint/Palm/Pre if they are trying to get people to switch.

[TheMatrix31]

Does anyone know if the Pre will have separate ringer volume for alarm and texts/calls?

[Show]

Does anyone know if the Pre will have separate ringer volume for alarm and texts/calls?

Research it yourself. Click here (http://now.sprint.com/nownetwork/productPage.html?id9=MA:EM:20090416:SUS:buzz) this is the current specs from Sprint. And no it doesn't look like a 4G phone that has been talked about unless they did some upgraded and Sprint is sending out old email.

[soggystockings]

Not from nothing but I got an adv email about the pre from sprint and i called on it. The tele sales rep says 2nd week in june for release....no price yet

[sel1965]

Not from nothing but I got an adv email about the pre from sprint and i called on it. The tele sales rep says 2nd week in june for release....no price yet

yeah I called to and they told me end of April.

[Show]

The same two Sprint Reps told me the 17th week of April on the 52nd day.
:haha:

I'm sure by now we all agree the Reps know nothing.

[patchs]

Not from nothing but I got an adv email about the pre from sprint and i called on it. The tele sales rep says 2nd week in june for release....no price yet

The Sprint store I was at yesterday, also said June.

[d12a60n]

I just called and they told me towards the end of April or early May. I don't even know why I bothered calling. Everyone here was getting some silly answers so I figured I'd shake the magic 8 ball too LOL

[sel1965]

The same two Sprint Reps told me the 17th week of April on the 52nd day.
:haha:

I'm sure by now we all agree the Reps know nothing.

If I were you I wouldn't quit your day job.

[AmeriKenny]

The later the date, the more probable. So I say June at the earliest. Not being pessimistic. Just making sense.

[gla17624]

Spoke with a Palm regional manager who was doing a presentation for Palm devices including the Palm PRE. He said that he has been told the contract price of the PRE, but he couldn't say what that is, because it's still confidential. He did say that it would be "very competitive" which I'm assuming meant it'll be about the cost of the Iphone. He wouldn't budge with giving more information on pricing even after being asked multiple times. =(
He DID say that he doesn't know a release date at all.

[Show]

If I were you I wouldn't quit your day job.

Your not me, so don't worry about the rich and famous as we are not worried about you. :clap:

[Show]

Does anyone watch 24? Sprint and 24 has some sort of deal where they have showcased some of Sprint's phones. I thought that I saw the Palm Pre being showcased. If anyone watches the show tell me what you think.

[aknipp62]

Does anyone watch 24? Sprint and 24 has some sort of deal where they have showcased some of Sprint's phones. I thought that I saw the Palm Pre being showcased. If anyone watches the show tell me what you think.

So far, the only Sprint phone I've seen is the Instinct when Hodges was using it to do a live video stream to the President about the missiles. But I do look for the Pre every week. :hee:

[Show]

So far, the only Sprint phone I've seen is the Instinct when Hodges was using it to do a live video stream to the President about the missiles. But I do look for the Pre every week. :hee:

OKKKKKKKKKKKK I could not tell I got distracted and was like is that the Pre? Thanks for clarifying. I'm looking for it but I'm not sure if the show was all taped before the Pre was announced.

[aknipp62]

Plus Fox is still doing the "Operation Instinct Sweepstakes" so I think they'll still plug the Instinct for a while.