[Pre] New OS (called webOS), Exclusive to Sprint

[totoro80]

i was reading in the new york post today (granted not the most reliable source for 100% accurate news) and in the tech section it stated that Palm would be showing a blackberry compatible phone(?) at the winter CES this week.

I swear...if THIS is the only 'newness' that Palm is coming out with, i will be pissed and finally ready to jump the hell of the bandwagon

now if the blackberry compatibility is included in 'Nova' new Palm OS well then all will be forgiven and even though i could care less about blackberry, i guess it couldn't hurt.

the info was in the January 4th Sunday edition of the Post on page 30

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IMPORTANT/USEFUL LINKS

Official Sites

Sprint: http://now.sprint.com/pre/
Palm: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/
Videos, Articles & Images

http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/2302-1.htm (http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/2302-1.htm)
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/live-from-palms-ces-press-conference/ (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/live-from-palms-ces-press-conference/)
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-first-hands-on-with-live-updates/ (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-first-hands-on-with-live-updates/)
http://i.gizmodo.com/5126752/palm-pre-full-video-tours (http://i.gizmodo.com/5126752/palm-pre-full-video-tours)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JiB6lkLwjY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JiB6lkLwjY)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoWm_VxELOk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoWm_VxELOk)
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-in-depth-impressions-video-and-huge-hands-on-gallery/ (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-in-depth-impressions-video-and-huge-hands-on-gallery/)
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ces2009 (http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ces2009)
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/32611 (http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/32611)
http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/2318-1.htm (http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/2318-1.htm)
http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20090108/live-from-ces-palm-unveils-nova/ (http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20090108/live-from-ces-palm-unveils-nova/)
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/09/poor-palm-pre-pricing-possibly-published-prior-to-public-proclamation/ (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/09/poor-palm-pre-pricing-possibly-published-prior-to-public-proclamation/)
http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/2322-1.htm (http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/2322-1.htm)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2338583,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2338583,00.asp)
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/01/09/palm-pre-webos-launch-roundup/ (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/01/09/palm-pre-webos-launch-roundup/)
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/01/09/palm-pre-hands-on-the-movie/

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_11410854 (http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_11410854?source=most_emailed)
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/siliconalley/personal-tech/2009_1_palm_may_sell_pre_for_149_palm.html
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/13/palm-pre-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know/

Palm Keynote in Parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6l0birqeig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeKXksLEYo8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alhEZZ4-XP0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQriVan1Grs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdfkAeXhfEs
These links were added from all of the posts made up to 7:50PM EST on Friday, January 9, 2009. As more links are posted, I will add them to this post.


Thanks,
laursifer


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[RockfordRockets]

Hmm.. Sounds Interesting. I think that the NOVA OS will be compatible with BES and BIS services. Just a wild guess though. NOVA should be a pleasing update for Garnet which is aging, very quickly compared to BlackBerry, Windows, Symbian and even Danger OS.

[SWERVE76]

from engadget...just a rumor but hopefully it's true.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/01/04/unconfirmed-details-flow-about-palms-ces-bound-nova-phone/

[sprinter1]

Wirelessly posted (Palm Centro: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; PalmSource/Palm-D062; Blazer/4.5) 16;320x320)

I sure hope that engadget article is correct. I really would like to see Palm turn things around here. they have blown it so many times over the years. it is do or die for them at this moment.

[ame]

Well there went my interest in the first release. No more of this sliding crap. Just put the damn keyboard on there like it usually is.

[SPRINT OG]

wow!! that would be cool to see what they come up with...

[Park]

I just hope Sprint gets the new Palm phone(s).

[SWERVE76]

Theres a rumor that it will be a sprint exclusive.

...and here's some renders

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/swerve76/palm_keyboard.jpg
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/swerve76/palmnova.jpg

[azjay4u]

I thought to myself thats pretty ugly. So i went ahead and checked out the site you got the image from (boingboing) and this is the text along with the second image:

"I whipped up a quick shop of what this might imply, assuming that Palm has no imagination. A fair assumption?"

So that isn't a Palm Device, rather someones "shop" or photoshop'd creation poking fun of Palm.

Theres a rumor that it will be a sprint exclusive.

...and here's some renders

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/swerve76/palm_keyboard.jpg
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/swerve76/palmnova.jpg

[SWERVE76]

render/shop/creation...whatever...some people might want to see it.

[bball1011]

It's all good. That pic made me even more anxious to find out what the new Palm will look like. I can't wait til this Thursday. I just hope its got nice big touch screen, something like the Jesus phone :tu:
render/shop/creation...whatever...some people might want to see it.

[eden922]

is anyone else going to watch the conference?

[davez]

is anyone else going to watch the conference?

Where can you watch the conference without being at CES?

[eden922]

Where can you watch the conference without being at CES?

you know i thought it was a video but its going to be a live blog over at www.everythingtreo.com/live

[davez]

you know i thought it was a video but its going to be a live blog over at www.everythingtreo.com/live

Thanks, I'm already there.;)

[eden922]

here is the new palm phone

[eden922]

here you go

[EdCates]

Following the TreoCentral liveblogging. This thing looks insane.

I think Palm "got" it. Wow.

http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/2302-1.htm

[Burrito75]

Hopefully full web browser.

[ame]

So far I am damn impressed. Wish it wasn't a slider but whatever.

[eden922]

this phone looks amazing, i love it. now we count down the days till it comes out

edit, here are two pics that were small

[EdCates]

This thing looks insane. I need to start saving my lunch money NOW.

[eden922]

yup yup, ill be buying the first day

[eden922]

http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/live-from-palms-ces-press-conference/

[eden922]

Exclusive luanch partner with SPRINT


from the live coverage

CEO of Sprint Dan hesse on stage

[ame]

OMG THAT IS AWESOME. I might have to get past my hate for sliders.

[EdCates]

GOOOOO SPRINT! Everyone send me a dollar so I can save up for this puppy! ;-)

[gage006]

Oh my god, all this and it's a Sprint exclusive? I'm in love.

[eden922]

lets hope this phone will help sprint

[eden922]

"Our 3G coverage is 4 times the size of AT&T's..." He's talking about how totally awesome Sprint's network is. Sprint's network will crush and destroy other networks.


coming from Dan

[ame]

LOL yea I saw that.

[EdCates]

I see no mention about pre-registering at Sprint.com, dagnabbit!

[eden922]

we just have to wait and see what they say

[VDubb]

Hopefully this phone ends up saving Sprint.

- VDubb

[eden922]

Hopefully this phone ends up saving Sprint.

- VDubb




11:53AM "As the first provider, we'll enable customers to integrate the information on the most dependant 3g network..."

11:54AM He's running through how stoked he is on this phone. We'll bet! Could be the lifeline that Sprint needed right now.

[EdCates]

http://now.sprint.com/pre/

[exi]

That looks like a damn awesome phone. Looks like I might have just found a Diamond successor.

(Though I do wonder how I'll handle contact syncing and what have you, given my recent attempts to keep everything cloud-like with Gmail / Windows Live.)

[spextar]

Guys, as much as I hate the iPhone, I don't really see what's so new about this phone. It looks like it's just a blatant ripoff of the iPhone design - just rounded a bit. The icon design is about the same, with more spacing between them. Someone please tell me how is this phone "insane" or "groundbreaking".

[exi]

Guys, as much as I hate the iPhone, I don't really see what's so new about this phone. It looks like it's just a blatant ripoff of the iPhone design - just rounded a bit. The icon design is about the same, with more spacing between them. Someone please tell me how is this phone "insane" or "groundbreaking".

The iPhone doesn't have a physical QWERTY keyboard, it's not a slider, and to my non-iPhone-using eyes, appears different in general.

I see some similarities in the design aesthetics within the OS, but then again, that's a good thing - but given the differences and a Palm platform, I'd have to say that this is no knockoff.

Not by any stretch of the word.

[bubbatex]

Guys, as much as I hate the iPhone, I don't really see what's so new about this phone. It looks like it's just a blatant ripoff of the iPhone design - just rounded a bit. The icon design is about the same, with more spacing between them. Someone please tell me how is this phone "insane" or "groundbreaking".

You need to go review the event as the rolled it out today and you'll see. The OS can do some very nice things and it will be far from locked like the iPhone is. BTW, where's the slider on the iPhone? And, blatant rip-off is a stretch - tell me how else you would arrange a 3.1" screen on a 4" phone? EVERYTHING is essentially a slab with a screen - and the Pre looks nothing like an iPhone, IMO.

[Park]

One thing I didn't see mentioned: copy and paste?

[deathwis]

Looks like this phone could be a serious competitor with the Iphone. The only thing people I know have not liked about the IPhone was the lack of a real keyboard so this may do it. However, a few big things remain to be seen. First, how well does it surf web pages. I have not seen a phone come even close to how well the IPhone does it. Second, how smooth will the touch interface be? Hopefully its as good as the IPhone. Also, what plans will be associated with it? Will a user have to upgrade to the simply everything plan? I have been waiting a long time for Sprint to come out with something even close to the IPhone...the HTC Diamond, Pro, Treo, Instinct and other phones they had weren't even on the same planet. Maybe this can compete. If not.....time to suck it up and pay the big monthly cost for the IPhone.

[exi]

Engadget's live coverage has a short video up as of now: http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-first-hands-on-with-live-updates/

My fingers aren't terribly dainty, so I'm not sure how I feel about "no on-screen keyboard" - not sure if that was OS entirely or browser only.

And this - http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/index.html#gallery - is just cute.

Hmm...

[bubbatex]

Engadget's live coverage has a short video up as of now: http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-first-hands-on-with-live-updates/

My fingers aren't terribly dainty, so I'm not sure how I feel about "no on-screen keyboard" - not sure if that was OS entirely or browser only.

And this - http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/index.html#gallery - is just cute.

Hmm...

everyone should look at that video. sweet. And since it is Palm, I am sure someone will have an onscreen kb for that thing pretty quick after it is out.

[kewlazme]

Finally someone made a phone that has a slider keyboard, uber fast processing.. and isn't a thick brick like the PPC6700 and touch pro! But that leaves my only concern to the battery life.

Also, it seems this phone has absolutely EVERY thing on it
-flash, 3.5mm jack, usb, slide out keyboard, accelerometer, wifi, gps, a2dp, finger friendly

THis is like the phone of all phones.. Its gotta cost some serious coin! But hopefully it sets the bar for a new standard of phone!

And hopefully they dont pull some Instinct Pricing plan BS on this phone.

[bill875]

I am definitely buying this. I qualify now for a full discount and was going to get the HTC Touch Pro, but this....This just blows that away and I love that it's not running Windows.

Yes, the Pre has copy and paste. It's insane for any smartphone to not have Copy and Paste. Apple, are you listening?

[RicoRich196]

everyone should look at that video. sweet. And since it is Palm, I am sure someone will have an onscreen kb for that thing pretty quick after it is out.

They are marketing it as an "Open device" so there is plenty of room for developers to do what they do best.

I'm actually pretty impressed with Palm, it looks like they are back in the ring.

[deathwis]

uh-oh....touch not as responsive as IPhone/G1.....from engadget.

[Trinal]

It looks great. And I like the fact that it's being released on Sprint because that means we get first crack at it. However, and it's a big however: Did anyone notice that the Palm website under GPS lists the following fine print: Coverage not available in all areas at all times. Requires data services at additional cost.

This suggests the "GPS" function is going to be dependent on having Sprint CDMA coverage available since it requires "data services at additional cost". This means it's really non-autonomous GPS which is a sad disappoinment. Why in this era would they do this? Granted if you take it overseas you don't have a functional phone but with wifi and autonomous GPS you've got a pretty decent piece of hardware. Now all you have is a glorified netbook with built-in wifi capabilities.

[bubbatex]

They are marketing it as an "Open device" so there is plenty of room for developers to do what they do best.

I'm actually pretty impressed with Palm, it looks like they are back in the ring.

Exactly what I was implying - that was one of the things that made Palm so strong before and kept a lot of people hanging on well past it's prime - the apps for the platform.

[deathwis]

any rumors on when it will be available?

[exi]

any rumors on when it will be available?

All anyone seems to know is "first half of 2009" - that's it.

Hopefully someone will find out more soon.

(Gizmodo's got video (http://i.gizmodo.com/5126752/palm-pre-full-video-tours), too, if you haven't seen that yet.)

[Celsius]

Looks like this phone could be a serious competitor with the Iphone. The only thing people I know have not liked about the IPhone was the lack of a real keyboard so this may do it. However, a few big things remain to be seen. First, how well does it surf web pages. I have not seen a phone come even close to how well the IPhone does it. Second, how smooth will the touch interface be? Hopefully its as good as the IPhone. Also, what plans will be associated with it? Will a user have to upgrade to the simply everything plan? I have been waiting a long time for Sprint to come out with something even close to the IPhone...the HTC Diamond, Pro, Treo, Instinct and other phones they had weren't even on the same planet. Maybe this can compete. If not.....time to suck it up and pay the big monthly cost for the IPhone.

Have you tried opera or skyfire.. lol

and yea the htc touch diamond and pro are not the iphones planet they are light years ahead in another galaxy.. we have real apps like skyfire and wmwifirouter.. You things like Microsoft Office doc editing on your phone, turn by turn navi, cut and paste, streaming tv and video (real video not lame youtube clips but I can download those on my sd card if I wish), ota music, stereo bluetooth, tv out (great for cars) I dont feel like naming anything else lol..

The Iphone is a great sexxy phone the os is nice but very VERY basic.. And YES it has the FASTEST response on ANY smartphone.. but do you know why??? IT DOES NOT MULTITASK... Thats why I can have a gps, IM, Notepad and two web browsers open on my touch pro at the same time and switch between all of them as I wish.. So yes too add that functionality the OS will noticeably slow down... So the Iphone is the bestphone for lots of people just like the touch pro, G1, Bold, Storm, and soon to be Pre are as well.. But that doesnt make any one phone definately the best..

I know one girly self centered LA girl who is a fashion store manager and wanted a new phone for a fashion accesory and she went straight for the bold I told her whats great about the Iphone and the Touch Pro (Fuze) and she didnt wanna hear ANY of it... Point is to each his own.. The Iphone has GLARING weaknesses wether you like it or not..

[bball1011]

This video alone makes me want to get it!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JiB6lkLwjY

[Psmolar]

This is a awesome phone. It got some air time on Fox Business News at CES with the main guy who backed it.
" A game changer for sprint" "ships in first half of the year" What is great is the speed and size... WOW!!! Full QWERTY keyboard that slides out, they only are showing 5% of what the platform can do. so it looks like it has great things ahead.

What I really like is the software is designed for a phone...according to the designer "the sofware is not like windows moblie which is PC software cramed in to a phone which makes it run slow and have a bulky size"

i was going to get a HTC not any more....

[lookitsrobss]

Here I am waiting for Android and then Palm comes out of nowhere and blows everyone out of the water.

PLEASE SPRINT LET SERO USERS USE THIS, IF YOU DONT I WILL CRY :(

[Psmolar]

New video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoWm_VxELOk

[laursifer]

Damnit, now I have to get one... I think. I'm not sure that I really like its look, though. I like the way the OS is looking, fo sho. But it seems as though the phone has a curve thing going on with it and, from the pictures at least, I'm not diggin' it. Maybe once I get to hold one I'll change my mind. Until then, I'm still very much in love with my Centro so I can be patient.

[Edit: Scratch that... from that new video, it's more clear how that curve thing goes and it's not so bad. The iPhone-borrowed controls ("squeezing" and "expanding" views with the fingers) kind of annoys me, but that's the nature of technology these days I suppose. Plus, I'd kind of like to have those features anyway ;)]

But damnit, I'll have to make all-new screen savers to fit that resolution. That's gonna kill me.

[exi]

Oh, and Engadget is saying (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-in-depth-impressions-video-and-huge-hands-on-gallery/) that "On the Sprint end of things, they'll be pushing their 'Everything' plans".

**** that; I hope "pushing" does not translate into "requiring". Leave my plan alone and I'll happily shell out a few hundred for it.

[tbakergobuck]

But damnit, I'll have to make all-new screen savers to fit that resolution. That's gonna kill me.:lol:

[laursifer]

Oh, and Engadget is saying (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-in-depth-impressions-video-and-huge-hands-on-gallery/) that "On the Sprint end of things, they'll be pushing their 'Everything' plans".

**** that; I hope "pushing" does not translate into "requiring". Leave my plan alone and I'll happily shell out a few hundred for it.

Pushing doesn't mean the same thing as requiring, period. Plus, it would be a stupid move on Sprint's part to require a specific plan like that; it would "scare" away some customers and lose them new business. It probably means the two will just be marketed together, as the Everything plans are one of the Sprint's best plans to date without going into the grandfather age, and the Pre will obviously be a very hot item for them. So they're just going to--well, my guess is that they're going to market the two together.

[Joker3]

this phone is pretty; pretty AWESOME. =)

[Psmolar]

Here is the Fox business news video

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ces2009

just look for Palm Pre on the side and click it.

[Smooth Chef D]

I personally think this phone is HOT!!! I switched from the 700p to my Blackberry 8330 for the functionality. I liked being able to have gps and such. This will make me want to consider changing. But I may have to wait to see what blackberry devices are on the horizon for Sprint though.

[lookitsrobss]

Oh, and Engadget is saying (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-in-depth-impressions-video-and-huge-hands-on-gallery/) that "On the Sprint end of things, they'll be pushing their 'Everything' plans".

**** that; I hope "pushing" does not translate into "requiring". Leave my plan alone and I'll happily shell out a few hundred for it.

this is truely awful news but I can see them doing this

if they do hopefully something with android comes that doesnt require it

[FloorMatt]

IT IS TEMPTING ME, I SWEAR! But...must...wait....for Android. Eh, I dunno. It has it all, but does Palm have the power to become what it once was? THE NAME THAT YOU ASSOCIATED WITH PDA? I can't tell you how many times people have called various PDAs that I've had "Palm Pilots"; the name stuck, so I really wonder if Palm can do it again.

Time, folks.....that's what it'll take before we'll know. And in Palm's case, money & partners.

[He123321]

I hope Sprint avertises this phone the right way for both companys sakes. If they do, I see both companys having a nive 09'.

[laursifer]

I hope Sprint avertises this phone the right way for both companys sakes. If they do, I see both companys having a nive 09'.

They sort of already are (http://now.sprint.com/pre/?id9=vanity:pre). I'm sure it will get updated to be better (read: I hope it will be updated to be better).

[bubbatex]

Here I am waiting for Android and then Palm comes out of nowhere and blows everyone out of the water.

PLEASE SPRINT LET SERO USERS USE THIS, IF YOU DONT I WILL CRY :(

Sometimes, if you wanna play, you gotta pay.

[TheJuanJuice]

I must say i was worried for a sec there, but I love it. It has it all and dose it all, Now im torn between the Treo Pro and the Pre?

[He123321]

They sort of already are (http://now.sprint.com/pre/?id9=vanity:pre). I'm sure it will get updated to be better (read: I hope it will be updated to be better).


Sprint does that for about 75% of thier phones. :hee:

[laursifer]

Sprint does that for about 75% of thier phones. :hee:

I wouldn't say 75% of them, but yeah they do it for a lot of them. But that is advertising :p And it was right away. Just not great advertising, but it's "smart" advertising. Keeps you wanting more... which you can get from about a billion other sources already lol. But since we're at least a few months away from being able to purchase one, there's not sense in putting all the goodies out there at this point. The interest in the device would die down too quickly.

[exi]

Pushing doesn't mean the same thing as requiring, period. Plus, it would be a stupid move on Sprint's part to require a specific plan like that; it would "scare" away some customers and lose them new business. It probably means the two will just be marketed together, as the Everything plans are one of the Sprint's best plans to date without going into the grandfather age, and the Pre will obviously be a very hot item for them. So they're just going to--well, my guess is that they're going to market the two together.

Right, hence me saying that I hope one term does not mean, in Sprint-land, the same as the other.

Of course, I thought it was a silly idea to require SE for the Instinct for reasons similar to what you're saying, but they never asked me.

[parazitu22]

IT IS TEMPTING ME, I SWEAR! But...must...wait....for Android. Eh, I dunno. It has it all, but does Palm have the power to become what it once was? THE NAME THAT YOU ASSOCIATED WITH PDA? I can't tell you how many times people have called various PDAs that I've had "Palm Pilots"; the name stuck, so I really wonder if Palm can do it again.

Time, folks.....that's what it'll take before we'll know. And in Palm's case, money & partners.

I know, I have really been holding off and not going to t-mobile for the g1. This phone does everything i have ever wanted and more, but if they release an android phone around the same time as this, i will have a hard time deciding..

[tbakergobuck]

Sprint does that for about 75% of thier phones. :hee:Which after a month that the phone has been out you get a email saying it's available to buy. lol

I was going to get the Pro but probably not now.

[He123321]

Which after a month that the phone has been out you get a email saying it's available to buy. lol

I was going to get the Pro but probably not now.

LOL, dont you just love that? :lol:

[laursifer]

Which after a month that the phone has been out you get a email saying it's available to buy. lol

That's if you get an email at all! LOL

However, for the more worthy devices, their little advert pages become more advanced (a la Centro) and you start seeing commercials on TV and whatnot. Good for the mass audience, but for phone people like us, not all that effective since we have better sources for information. But for Sprint's sake, they should (and I'm confident they will) really advertise the heck out of this device.

[HWest]

I hope this is a big success for Sprint and Palm (even though I will need to buy all new applications) and I hope they both remember all the faithful customers. The new Palm looks awesome!

[He123321]

I hope this is a big success for Sprint and Palm!

That makes 2 of us. :headbang2

[BTSmith]

Oh, and Engadget is saying (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-in-depth-impressions-video-and-huge-hands-on-gallery/) that "On the Sprint end of things, they'll be pushing their 'Everything' plans".
**** that; I hope "pushing" does not translate into "requiring". Leave my plan alone and I'll happily shell out a few hundred for it.

And increasing Average Revenue Per User was one of the first things mentioned by Sprint as their part of the event. I think this is not going to fly on SERO and probably not on the legacy plans either.

Sprint got huge numbers of people off the older lower cost plans with the forcing of higher ARPU on the Instinct. Will the total monthly minimum required be the same as required iPhone on ATT? no but I think we are talking maybe $20 $30 cheaper, not $50 or 60 cheaper.

Likely Verizon will have it after 3 months and that will go into the issue of required plan minimums as well.

[laursifer]

Palm's page for the Pre: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/index.html?sssdmh=dm13.189859

I have read this thread probably 3 times today and didn't see this link posted. I will beat the crap out of myself if I missed it.

[abarrera]

wow this phone looks great...i wonder if itll only be available in black? and geesh now i need to see what the new android phone looks like so i can decide.

[Jspired]

I love the look of this device. I'm not big on sliders, but I'd be willing to make a go of it. I hope this pushes Spring in the right direction, and Palm too.

[spextar]

Once again guys.. it just looks like a chinese iPhone clone to me. It is so obvious that Palm's main target was iPhone. I don't think this phone would even exist if it wasn't for iPhone - they would still release phones with an OS that looks like the 90's palm OS.

Before you call me an apple fanboy, read this: You don't hate apple more than I do - can't stand that brand.

[PokerFace23]

watching that foxbusiness video.. i'm more than convinced that one person owns all the cell phone companies.

"if you want iphone, you have to go to atnt. if you want blackberry storm you have to go to verizon. what about sprint cutomers. WE GAVE SPRINT this device."

who the hell is Elevation Partners and why are they "deciding" who gets what device?

[exi]

Once again guys.. it just looks like a chinese iPhone clone to me. It is so obvious that Palm's main target was iPhone. I don't think this phone would even exist if it wasn't for iPhone - they would still release phones with an OS that looks like the 90's palm OS.

Before you call me an apple fanboy, read this: You don't hate apple more than I do - can't stand that brand.

How, for the love of all things holy, does a slider smartphone with a physical QWERTY keyboard qualify as a Chinese iPhone clone? I don't get that.

Granted, some of the software gestures - pinching, mostly - seem awfully iPhoneish, but the phone itself is majorly different.

[sowalsky]

The most important thing to me in the next Palm is that it can sync to Outlook. According to the Palm website, Outlook sync requires Exchange Server. Is that accurate? Whatever happened to conduits during an old-fashioned HotSync?

[fsphiladelphia]

Plain and simple...I'm buying this phone when it comes out.

Palm has defied expectations here (maybe simply by keeping it under wraps so well?). I think this phone has a real potential to be a "killer app" (so to speak) in Sprint's lineup -- a "must-have" item. The HTC phones have been pretty nice. I like (not love) my Diamond, but I don't think that the Instinct, Diamond, or Pro were phones that would get droves to switch carriers. I think this device is going to be special, and may have the ability to really get people to sign with Sprint.

[YPG]

I don't want to just say hmmm since there was a mod note at the begining of the thread but that is all I have to say about this right now lol. I am interested in seeing the new OS and exploring it's functionality but don't really dig the slider format.
That is My two cents and now I am subscribed to this thread. :)

[fsphiladelphia]

Once again guys.. it just looks like a chinese iPhone clone to me. It is so obvious that Palm's main target was iPhone. I don't think this phone would even exist if it wasn't for iPhone - they would still release phones with an OS that looks like the 90's palm OS.

Before you call me an apple fanboy, read this: You don't hate apple more than I do - can't stand that brand.

With all due respect, this phone does not look like an ipone in size, shape, form-factor, etc. In addition, with a physical qwerty keyboard, it's also going to have fundamentally different functionality.

Calling everything with a touchscreen an iphone wannabe is really like calling a copy machine a Xerox. For the first few years, it was de rigeur... Now if you go into an office and ask where the Xerox is, you're going to sound silly. At a certain point in time in the cell phone world, everyone is going to have to stop calling everything with a touchscreen an iphone clone.

This device is pretty clearly not an iphone clone.

[sugarnova]

I have no problem with a slider phone. I really can't wait to play with this one! I wonder if any old palm apps will be compatible.....

[cjhutch]

Once again guys.. it just looks like a chinese iPhone clone to me. It is so obvious that Palm's main target was iPhone. I don't think this phone would even exist if it wasn't for iPhone - they would still release phones with an OS that looks like the 90's palm OS.

Before you call me an apple fanboy, read this: You don't hate apple more than I do - can't stand that brand.

This looks nothing like an iPhone to me. I can see why you think the iPhone was their target, it's every phone makers target that wants to create a high end handset. Right now it's the phone that has everyone talking and it's top dog. To be the best you have to beat the best and for a lot of people the iPhone is the best phone out right now. Apple is one of the most innovative companies out right now and there is always someone that sets the bar and then others have to reach it.

Your argument that Palm would still be making phone with an outdated OS is flawed because had it not be for Palm and Windows taking their PDA's and placing phone applications in them then Apple probably would have never come out with the iPhone. I think what Palm is doing is great and it will create even more competition in the mobile arena which only helps the consumers. I think the best part is their OS is built off Linux and they are using a very capable processor from the get go which will allow them to expand their lineup in the future easily. With it being built off Linux it makes it easier for people to create apps and since they are releasing a SDK and app store I can see them sticking around for a little longer and I will be purchasing this phone when it comes out. I've been trying to find something to replace my Curve and this appears to be it. I refuse to go WM because I've been down that long dark road already, plus I'm a Mac user.

[supe12sta12z]

You guys know that the guy who worked with Jobs for well over a decade came over to Palm and created this little neat OS right? It's not unreasonable to see a similar style/design considering who was in on the project.:cool:

[ame]

I, for one, AM an Apple "fan-boy"....except that I will likely never own an iPhone until a) it's not on ATT and b) it can run the adobe creative suite so Ican do my work on the thing remotely.

That said, you can definitely see where ole Ruby flexed his iPhone developing nuts on this thing, and I LOVE it. I am trying to get over the sliding part but by the time I can upgrade this will have been out for months and new form factors will be out. And hopefully one with a MicroSD which I think might be a requirement for me... we'll see.

I am enraptured by it. And wish they would have been more ready for a more immediate launch than potentially June.

[touchandcentro]

Sprint has been wonderful as far as keeping me as a customer so far. I have been a customer for about 10 years (i.e. a lifetime in this business) and have a great plan. If I can't keep that plan with this phone, I'll leave Sprint for the iphone.

[mrsocks]

Once again guys.. it just looks like a chinese iPhone clone to me. It is so obvious that Palm's main target was iPhone. I don't think this phone would even exist if it wasn't for iPhone - they would still release phones with an OS that looks like the 90's palm OS.

Before you call me an apple fanboy, read this: You don't hate apple more than I do - can't stand that brand.

(I) Apple invented everything.
they're ripping me off... Hoo Hoo
Tell 'em Fred.


Apple products are white....just like sheep.
Coincidence?

Apple truely is an innovator though:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary

[homeslice5484]

think it will be expensive? more than 200? or require a plan change like the instinct? We are on the old free and clear plans and will not change...too cheap.

[YPG]

Not out till June? That sucks. I am very impatient.

[RockfordRockets]

Wow. Palm Pre looks SEXY. I won't lie. After I get the Pre, I'm going to switch my plan back to my normal SERO.

[jillianbee]

Wirelessly posted (Treo800w/v0100 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE, PPC; 320x320) (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11))

I, for one, AM an Apple "fan-boy"....except that I will likely never own an iPhone until a) it's not on ATT and b) it can run the adobe creative suite so Ican do my work on the thing remotely.

That said, you can definitely see where ole Ruby flexed his iPhone developing nuts on this thing, and I LOVE it. I am trying to get over the sliding part but by the time I can upgrade this will have been out for months and new form factors will be out. And hopefully one with a MicroSD which I think might be a requirement for me... we'll see.

I am enraptured by it. And wish they would have been more ready for a more immediate launch than potentially June.

I think I have to get over my slider hate because the phone looks awesome. right now I plan for this to be my next phone!!!

[Noodle]

you know slider hate is natural, well at least for me vertical slider hate. Man I wonder when it will be out? Sorry if this has already been posted but Sprint is already advertising a bunch here (http://now.sprint.com/pre/?id9=Ad_2009q1_palmpre_prelaunch_300x250) It does look damn sexy though. I wonder though how long it will take apps to come out for it. Will it be more like Palm OS or Windows Mobile or it's own entity entirely?

I'm up for an upgrade now but hmmmm might hold on now.

[mrdavis55]

I live right across the street from sprint HQ... I'm quitting my job and camping out tomorrow... I want one soooo bad!!!

Palm answered my night time prayers, christmas wish, and new year's resolution all in one announcement!!!!

Thanks for finally getting a smartphone worth having we've been waiting a long time... Sprint... I love you....


p.s. Of course the podfather brought some goodies from apple.... Thank goodness for it!!! Or else we'd be looking at another stupid winmo brick...

[Storm702]

So how many of us are going to try and give up our Touch Pro's for this device? Honestly I will try my hardest to.

[Noodle]

I'm kinda glad I didn't jump on the Touch Pro like I was going to. I think I just might hold off and give this bad boy a spin. 30 days no likey and I can pick something else. As much as I love the hackability of Win Mo this this is dead sexy, well aside from the fact they could have made it a landscape slider.

[ame]

Wirelessly posted (Treo800w/v0100 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE, PPC; 320x320) (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11))



I think I have to get over my slider hate because the phone looks awesome. right now I plan for this to be my next phone!!!I can wait til Oct to see what the next device is. Hopefully they release one more on Sprint by then with a memory card slot. Im at least going to be waiting long enough for the 1st generation ones to get the bugs worked out.

I live right across the street from sprint HQ... I'm quitting my job and camping out tomorrow... I want one soooo bad!!!
You will need that job to finance this acquisition so hold tight. Otherwise you'll be camping for a LONG time.

LOL @ podfather.

[ame]

I'm kinda glad I didn't jump on the Touch Pro like I was going to. I think I just might hold off and give this bad boy a spin. 30 days no likey and I can pick something else. As much as I love the hackability of Win Mo this this is dead sexy, well aside from the fact they could have made it a landscape slider.

Or not a slider at all which is what I would have preferred.

[parazitu22]

Now it makes sense why Sprint didn't push the diamond and touch pro so much, they barely advertised for those two phones. I guess this will be do or die, and we will see a huge push. And i'm already betting that we will have to give up SERO for this beauty, but you know what, they've won me over, i'll switch plans for this. It's the only phone so far that i've been able to say that for.

[Boraxo]

I just saw the story in the WSJ today.

This is the first potentially hot phone that sprint has introduced for a long long time. Unfortunately it is a palm, which would have been great 5 years ago but now a detriment as most (including myself) have abandoned palm for the iPhone or blackberry.

Too little too late, par for the course for Sprint.

If Sprint wants to get way ahead of the curve, they would be rushing a wristwatch phone to market. That will be the next next big thing.

[kleinang]

June is way to long to wait.. i want it now :woohoo:

[WizardHowl]

WOW....there are few gadgets that make my jaw drop open and this is one of them. Being a huge hater of palm for many years this is hard for me to admit, but I WANT THIS PHONE.

I read through this thread and some other articles, I think it looks like this phone doesn't support flash, like youtube? Also it looks like its not expandable?

Either way cannot wait for this phone, and am looking forward to dump my sprint touch.

[parazitu22]

I just saw the story in the WSJ today.

This is the first potentially hot phone that sprint has introduced for a long long time. Unfortunately it is a palm, which would have been great 5 years ago but now a detriment as most (including myself) have abandoned palm for the iPhone or blackberry.

Too little too late, par for the course for Sprint.

If Sprint wants to get way ahead of the curve, they would be rushing a wristwatch phone to market. That will be the next next big thing.

I seriously hope you are kidding.. This is a brand new os, it has nothing to do with the palm of 5 years ago. Have you even seen the pictures? And wristwatch phone? Really???

[KeilwerthSX90R]

I can't see this waiting till June. If Sprint is going to launch the Treo Pro in Jan, as is likely, they will lose a lot of sales while people wait for the Pre. I know Palm is targeting different types of users with those two phones and while that might be fine if people can try both out and pick one, having seen the hype about the Pre, people will wait and buy nothing. Also if the rumors of a June android phone release are true that would be two new big hype devices at once.

My guess is Treo Pro in Jan, Pre in March / April and then the Samsung Android phone in June. If the Android phone beats Verizon to market that and the Pre could really buoy Sprint's sales and hold them until the holiday season.

Palm is also promising more devices in the future built on this platform in different configurations. The last 3 years in the land of boring WM, BB, and the aging Palm OS, hardware evolutions seemed to have outpaced the OS. Starting with the iPhone, then Android, and now this - the OS has caught up. BB and WM are going to have to really step up their game. BB has a huge legacy following to fall back on and WM has the tightest integration with Exchange but they are going to get crushed in the consumer market if they don't step it up.

I can't wait for the Pre to be available. I hope it will work on my SERO plan, but if not the Simply Everything plans aren't any worse than I'm paying for my iPhone now - and despite all the complaints you read about regarding Sprint, my Sprint service is much much better than ATT.

[ScrapMaker]

Sorry if I missed it, but where has anyone seen documentation pointing to June, or any date at all, for that matter?

I will drop Windows Mobile for this. It seems more open, and faster. Better than the Pro in nearly every manner, and I'm a hard-core WinMo fan... I have probably spent over 300 hours configuring my Touch in the last 12 months.

This phone looks so damn sexy, and is so capable. As long as I can get perfect Outlook access, (email, calendar, and tasks,) and all the other things it promises, then this is a sure win.

Even people who know nothing about smartphones can pick this up, and use it instantly, and have 10 times the capability of an iPhone.

[KeilwerthSX90R]

Sorry if I missed it, but where has anyone seen documentation pointing to June, or any date at all, for that matter?

I will drop Windows Mobile for this. It seems more open, and faster. Better than the Pro in nearly every manner, and I'm a hard-core WinMo fan... I have probably spent over 300 hours configuring my Touch in the last 12 months.

This phone looks so damn sexy, and is so capable. As long as I can get perfect Outlook access, (email, calendar, and tasks,) and all the other things it promises, then this is a sure win.

Even people who know nothing about smartphones can pick this up, and use it instantly, and have 10 times the capability of an iPhone.

I think people are seeing First Half of 2009 and assuming June as it is the latest date that meets this criteria. I personally don't agree and think Palm and Sprint are serious about the ASAP part. Both companies really need it.

[PittsburghJoe]

I have to agree with KeilwerthSX90R here. Yes, this may be a slider phone (which I personally don't mind), but judging from the various designs available from other companies now, I would guess that Palm is hardly resting on its laurels here. My guess is that this was the first device at a late enough stage to show off the capabilities of the new OS. I doubt that other form factors are far behind. And being built on open source platforms (Linux, Webkit), there are any number of brilliant designers out there who will be building apps for this OS. I imagine this is the first of many new devices from Palm.

And I definitely have to say that Sprint's network is a great one to launch this phone. The plans and coverage can't be beat.

[ScrapMaker]

I love the form-factor. I can use it one-handed, like my Touch, but I can pop it open to type fast on a real keyboard... plus, you can bet there will be some on-screen SIPs, since it's so open.

I love every single aspect of it--except, I'd like a memory card, and I wonder what's up with the camera. Is it auto-focus or what? Not understanding their terminology there, but I am guess it's not?

Anyways, my MAIN reason for loving WM so much, is how open it is, and how so much is free and fun... If WebOS offers developers such an easy route to port/write programs, then it will spread like wildfire...

I hope this comes out in the next few months... I'm getting tired of my Touch, but I can't stand the Diamond or Pro...

[PokerFace23]

I'm thinking that Sprint will be putting a lot of their eggs in this basket as is Palm. They need to really spend some dough advertising the crap out of this device, and CORRECTLY.

the phone looks dead sexy. i'm hoping sprint doesn't wait until the end to release it (June). I hope that it requires an everything plan or at least a $30 add on a la Blackberry.

Yes I realize that many people here want to keep their SERO or their old F&C plans. Thousands of Instinks were switched to the new plans and Sprint didn't budge. What makes people think with the popularity and wow factor of this in its first day won't make Sprint force a plan change?

I just hope it's MMS and not picture mail but can't have it all :D

[INTERNATIONAL]

I hope that it requires an everything plan or at least a $30 add on a la Blackberry.

Yes I realize that many people here want to keep their SERO or their old F&C plans. Thousands of Instinks were switched to the new plans and Sprint didn't budge. What makes people think with the popularity and wow factor of this in its first day won't make Sprint force a plan change?

I just hope it's MMS and not picture mail but can't have it all :D

In my humble opinion:rolleyes: the economy coupled with job security will dictate what people are willing to use their disposable income on. I am willing to give this new phone a try but I'm not planning on a plan change and I'm not a SERO member. I assume if projected sales are slow other measures (customers leaving, carrier competition, poor customer service, slow revenue growth) may force Sprint to think outside the box or be more flexable.

[Ecvmaxim]

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/32611

[YPG]

Good article. Hopefully this is only the first of many new devices in this line.

[tbakergobuck]

The Diamond was a bit small for my big hands and the pro wasn't to big but I think the Palm Pre might be just the right size IMO.

http://sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/21158-iPhone-3G-vs-Palm-Treo-800w-vs-SONY-XPERIA-X1-vs-Palm-Pre-vs-HTC-Touch-Diamond-Sprint-

[edub186]

Veryyyyyyy nice phone, but tooooo many deal breakers.
No on screen key board on this big touch screen phone. Wow, Palm good way to keep your phone from kicking the iphone a**. And whats the point of having an accelerometer? To type sideways. How F-ing dumb. Unbelievable. No 3d gaming unless palm release a patch. Flush screens is 90's to me. Keyboard taken from the centro is small. And last but not least, is how they are gonna force customers into the Simply Everything Plan. I guess they know they can get away with it due to the demand this phone is going to get.

Even with all those negatives I still want it, lol!!!!!!!
The OS UI is bananas. The thought of wirelessly charging the phone is crazy nice. Nice sleek look, even though some chrome could have helped alot. I want to take my pro back but there is something holding me back. And who can really count on sprint release dates? The touch pro release was horrible, with all the different dates we had. My contract my be over by time they really release the phone. I moght just bite the bullet and buy full price.

[bubbatex]

New (lengthy) video from Dieter of WMExperts/Treocentral: http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/2318-1.htm

Man - it is pretty small when you see these guys handle it.

OK, after watching it again, maybe the size is just right??

Such a smooth transistion between all views/screens.

[shappy]

One thing that has me a bit concerned is battery life. From what I can gather, this is a very web/data centric phone, with the operating system designed to constantly look for and pull data from the network. Won't that drain the battery at a precipitous rate?

[bubbatex]

One thing that has me a bit concerned is battery life. From what I can gather, this is a very web/data centric phone, with the operating system designed to constantly look for and pull data from the network. Won't that drain the battery at a precipitous rate?

Look at the video I just posted - they address that a bit; "Designed from the ground up with energy efficiency in mind" or something to that effect. Jury is out until we see one tested, but I am sure they did better than the 800w!

[SingSongBird]

I just got the e-mail and watched in awe as I wondered if I will be able to use all those lovely palm apps that are wasting away on my centro that's wasting away in a box!

I'm glad to see that Palm has the accessories lined up too. Did you see the desktop charger? I'm wondering how well it works magnetics...and no cords? Looks like this lotus will be up for grabs ASA they release this baby.


http://www.palm.com/us/products/accessories/dock.html

[tbakergobuck]

One thing that has me a bit concerned is battery life. From what I can gather, this is a very web/data centric phone, with the operating system designed to constantly look for and pull data from the network. Won't that drain the battery at a precipitous rate?I don't know but would think that there would be a setting to turn that on/off.

One thing that I don't like is that it looks like it's going to be fingerprint magnet. Oh well I probably will have some kind of cover on it anyway.

thanks for the video bubbatex. I was worried he might spill his detox drink on the Pre. lol

[the_maplebar]

This looks nice. I loved my old palm PDA's and I was sorely disappointed when there were no good Palm devices to replace my Samsung SPH-i500. However it looks like this is going to be one of the expensive smartphones.

My assumption is that Palm (PALM) would try to take market share by coming in significantly lower than the $200 or so Apple wants for its iPhone. But when I ran that theory by Palm CEO Ed Colligan, he looked at me liked I’d peed on his rug. “Why would we do that when we have a significantly better product,” he asked, then walked away.
http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20090108/live-from-ces-palm-unveils-nova/

[bubbatex]

I was worried he might spill his detox drink on the Pre. lol

LOL - I was preoccupied with that too!

[SingSongBird]

I see it has 8gb built in storage, but no removeable storage?

Since I couldn't edit my post: I see that you have to purchase a specific backing to get the Touchstone charger to work, of course its sold separately! :huh:

[jlam]

Finally someone made a phone that has a slider keyboard, uber fast processing.. and isn't a thick brick like the PPC6700 and touch pro! But that leaves my only concern to the battery life.

Also, it seems this phone has absolutely EVERY thing on it
-flash, 3.5mm jack, usb, slide out keyboard, accelerometer, wifi, gps, a2dp, finger friendly

THis is like the phone of all phones.. Its gotta cost some serious coin! But hopefully it sets the bar for a new standard of phone!

And hopefully they dont pull some Instinct Pricing plan BS on this phone.

This looks like a nice step forward for both Sprint and Palm and I'm pretty excited to see where it goes from here. Even if I don't end up getting this phone, I'm always in favor if competition creating better products for the consumers, especially if it's for Sprint where we actually have access to the products without having to jump ship.

That said, I can't quite understand why people think the Touch Pro is a "brick". :rolleyes: Now the old 6700 and the Mogul, probably yes. But I have a Pro and my wife has an LG Rumor and they're literally the exact same size (thickness and all - even after looking at the spec measurements). The new Samsung Rant is bigger in every direction than the Pro, but I don't consider either of the former two phones I listed to be "bulky" or a "brick". The form factor for the new Pre looks great IMO, but it's only 0.03 inches thinner than a Touch Pro, so don't be expecting Sammy Upstage-like thicknesses out of a smartphone with a full Qwerty. At least not just yet.

[ndnguy85]

mch i really hope they dont make people switch into a new plan.

i dont mind paying for any add ons but not an entire plan change ppppppleaasee. :thought:

[mrdavis55]

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/09/poor-palm-pre-pricing-possibly-published-prior-to-public-proclamation/


yikes!!! thats a steep price to pay.... Although i don't mind having to pay a steep price as long as i dont have to change my plan....

[gedansky]

There are a lot of posts here, so forgive me if I'm repeating, but, is this the long awaited successor to the Palm OS? Is this the replacement for the successor to the Palm OS because they never got it off the ground, Or is this something completely different in the interim?

[parazitu22]

There are a lot of posts here, so forgive me if I'm repeating, but, is this the long awaited successor to the Palm OS? Is this the replacement for the successor to the Palm OS because they never got it off the ground, Or is this something completely different in the interim?

Yes, this is the long awaited successor to the Palm OS, and it looks amazing!

[Gourd]

That price is steep. But I would imagine Sprint will offer a mail-in rebate to go along with this, enticing more people to extend their contracts.

With the issues I've had with the Diamond so far, I'd switch to the Pre in a hot second...

[Noodle]

I wonder just how "hackable" the OS will be compared to WinMo, and if things like Slingplayer, email through ehchange, stuff like that will work.

[laursifer]

$399 doesn't seem steep to me at all for a PDA phone of this caliber. That's right around what I was expecting it to be.



Veryyyyyyy nice phone, but tooooo many deal breakers.
No on screen key board on this big touch screen phone. Wow, Palm good way to keep your phone from kicking the iphone a**. And whats the point of having an accelerometer? To type sideways. How F-ing dumb. Unbelievable. No 3d gaming unless palm release a patch. Flush screens is 90's to me. Keyboard taken from the centro is small. And last but not least, is how they are gonna force customers into the Simply Everything Plan. I guess they know they can get away with it due to the demand this phone is going to get.

You will probably have 3rd party on-screen keyboards. For many people (myself included) ONLY having the option of an on-screen keyboard is a deal-breaker. I'd much rather have a real one, with the option of an on-screen one, which I would never purchase/use but at least it would be an option. (And Jesus H, why must every person expect every new phone to beat the iPhone... basically what you're all looking for is an iPhone with some improved/added features, so just go wait for another iPhone release and stop comparing everything else to the iPhone.) And, the point of an accelerometer is NOT to be able to type sideways. That's simply what happens to the keyboard when you tilt the phone. The main point is for landscape views of web pages, applications, games, etc. They did not incorporate accelerometers into tech devices just so you could have a landscape keyboard. And flush screens are 90's? LOLOLOLOL. Keyboard taken from the Centro... that makes me laugh too. Not trying to be offensive to you, but your entire post has me shaking my head.

And for the love of God, people, please stop saying Sprint is going to FORCE plan changes. All the reports so far (none of which have come from Sprint, by the way) have suggested that Sprint is going to push the SE plans. That does not mean they're going to force you to sign up for one, so until we hear word from Sprint that you MUST have an SE plan if you buy this phone (which I, personally, find to be very unlikely), let's not start spreading false rumors. Speculate about it all you want, but don't say these things like they're fact until they are, indeed, facts.

Oh, and I can't remember who said it but someone said they would rather have a keyboard on the device than a slide-out one (a la Centro, 755p, etc.). They would have to have used a smaller screen on the phone or made it a really looooong phone for that to happen. I had a slider PDA in this style once and I wasn't a big fan of it at first, but the screen was so damn beautiful that eventually I got used to it. Well, sort of... the keyboard on that one sucked. You needed a hammer to hit the keys on that sucker because they were so stiff. Palm's pretty good at making keyboards that are easy to type on. Having a large screen gives you more real estate when viewing web pages and all that goodness, and since I'm a really heavy user of my phone for everything these days, I think I'll be okay with the large screen and slide-out keyboard. It looks to me like it was well-designed, even though I'm still a little iffy on that whole curve thing it has going on.

[hierowing]

This is the first phone I've wanted in a long time, but the first one I've actually wanted on Sprint. I'm out of contract and my wife already jumped ship to T-moblie with an Iphone. I think Sprint is great but I hope Sprint can do the following things.
1.Don't make me change my plan.
2. $249-$300 no rebates
3. Come out before March.

[parazitu22]

I think the curve will be great for holding up to your face to talk, especially while doing other things with your hands, it will be very easy to hold this phone up with the shoulder. It might not looks as nice with the curve, but the added functionality will outweigh any of the cons.

[SaMiChi]

This is the first phone I've wanted in a long time, but the first one I've actually wanted on Sprint. I'm out of contract and my wife already jumped ship to T-moblie with an Iphone. I think Sprint is great but I hope Sprint can do the following things.
1.Don't make me change my plan.
2. $249-$300 no rebates
3. Come out before March.

Same but I'm thinkin 2 and 3 won't happen. 1 is all I care about really. Long live old SERO

[Noodle]

$399 doesn't seem steep to me at all for a PDA phone of this caliber. That's right around what I was expecting it to be.





You will probably have 3rd party on-screen keyboards. For many people (myself included) ONLY having the option of an on-screen keyboard is a deal-breaker. I'd much rather have a real one, with the option of an on-screen one, which I would never purchase/use but at least it would be an option. (And Jesus H, why must every person expect every new phone to beat the iPhone... basically what you're all looking for is an iPhone with some improved/added features, so just go wait for another iPhone release and stop comparing everything else to the iPhone.) And, the point of an accelerometer is NOT to be able to type sideways. That's simply what happens to the keyboard when you tilt the phone. The main point is for landscape views of web pages, applications, games, etc. They did not incorporate accelerometers into tech devices just so you could have a landscape keyboard. And flush screens are 90's? LOLOLOLOL. Keyboard taken from the Centro... that makes me laugh too. Not trying to be offensive to you, but your entire post has me shaking my head.

And for the love of God, people, please stop saying Sprint is going to FORCE plan changes. All the reports so far (none of which have come from Sprint, by the way) have suggested that Sprint is going to push the SE plans. That does not mean they're going to force you to sign up for one, so until we hear word from Sprint that you MUST have an SE plan if you buy this phone (which I, personally, find to be very unlikely), let's not start spreading false rumors. Speculate about it all you want, but don't say these things like they're fact until they are, indeed, facts.

Oh, and I can't remember who said it but someone said they would rather have a keyboard on the device than a slide-out one (a la Centro, 755p, etc.). They would have to have used a smaller screen on the phone or made it a really looooong phone for that to happen. I had a slider PDA in this style once and I wasn't a big fan of it at first, but the screen was so damn beautiful that eventually I got used to it. Well, sort of... the keyboard on that one sucked. You needed a hammer to hit the keys on that sucker because they were so stiff. Palm's pretty good at making keyboards that are easy to type on. Having a large screen gives you more real estate when viewing web pages and all that goodness, and since I'm a really heavy user of my phone for everything these days, I think I'll be okay with the large screen and slide-out keyboard. It looks to me like it was well-designed, even though I'm still a little iffy on that whole curve thing it has going on.


here here!

[Storm702]

The phone is going to be 200 or less. Sprint is not stupid. It wont be more than 250. The phone will be priced competitively. Trust me.


But how am I going to get out my Touch Pro for one?

[laursifer]

The phone is going to be 200 or less. Sprint is not stupid. It wont be more than 250. The phone will be priced competitively. Trust me.

You need to factor in that it's not entirely up to Sprint what the phone will cost. Palm has a say in it, too. You also have to consider that it's an entirely new OS and, like the iPhone at its debut, they don't usually start cheap. IMO, pricing it at $250 would be really awesome, but a stupid move from a backend business standpoint. I think $300-350 retail would be a good deal but at the same time the Centro is $399, BB Pearl is almost $500 I think. Why on EARTH would they list the Pre at $250?? There isn't a single PDA phone with Sprint that sells for under $350 retail.

[parazitu22]

You need to factor in that it's not entirely up to Sprint what the phone will cost. Palm has a say in it, too. You also have to consider that it's an entirely new OS and, like the iPhone at its debut, they don't usually start cheap. IMO, pricing it at $250 would be really awesome, but a stupid move from a backend business standpoint. I think $300-350 retail would be a good deal but at the same time the Centro is $399, BB Pearl is almost $500 I think. Why on EARTH would they list the Pre at $250?? There isn't a single PDA phone with Sprint that sells for under $350 retail.

Retail i bet it will be over $500, and if you don't want a contract renewal, it's not that bad of a price considering what you get, but subsidized and negotiated as many sprint phones end up being, it will probably be closer to 300, maybe 200 if sprint and palm are really aggressive.

[Felicia]

Whew! I just finally got through the thread!!!

Well....what I can I say. I loved Floormatt's comment on Palm's household name. I still say palm pilot when I discuss PDAs!!! (Remember FridayAfterNext---Money Mike (Katt Williams) "Let me check my Palm Pilot") CLASSIC!!!!

Loyalty- Been with Sprint since 1997, I've been using Palm PDAs since 2004. This is a very proud moment for me! I'm not a trend chaser I just want something that will suit my needs! I respect the Iphone, G1, Storm and Curve and studied the specs and appreciate the features but something kept holding me back from jumping from phone to phone everytime the wind blows. I see why now!!! Sticking with what you know and what works for you have its privledges! I'm not ready to leave Freddy yet. I've got a lot invested in him. I'm going see how the Pre works....besides I've waited this long... and with the new direction Palm is going it can only get better!

Palm- You were never out of game to me!

[galinMA]

I am not a computer pro and obviously a phone dummy too. I have had a treo 755 for a while now and when I went out and bought my very first laptop, I had no idea that Palm and 64 bit don't work together unless I want to sinc via bluetooth (which I don't have) and do a few funky (to me) things.

Anyway my question to all of you far more saavy people out there, do you think that Palm updated this incompatibility? I really like the style of this Palm Pre` and will absolutely buy it if it will sync with my 64 bit laptop via the USB cable. The phone reminds me of a mix - sleekness of the Iphone, sliding keyboard like the clunkier Mogul (except down instead of to the side)

I hope that sprint keeps the sleek black, even though it look like it will be a finger print magnet, it is the most stylish PDA phone I have seen. i hope that it doesn't take until June to come out, however, that is when I will be elg. to upgrade.

My only decision will be to buy the phone at full price or renew my SERO plan, decisions decisions. Anyway, hopefully somebody has some info on my compatibility question. It is probably posted somewhere that is blatently obvious so sorry if that is the case!

:wavey:

[Show]

Plain and simple...I'm buying this phone when it comes out.

Palm has defied expectations here (maybe simply by keeping it under wraps so well?). I think this phone has a real potential to be a "killer app" (so to speak) in Sprint's lineup -- a "must-have" item. The HTC phones have been pretty nice. I like (not love) my Diamond, but I don't think that the Instinct, Diamond, or Pro were phones that would get droves to switch carriers. I think this device is going to be special, and may have the ability to really get people to sign with Sprint.

You could very well be correct. This is a nice phone and when it's available I will be buying it. The other thing is with Sprints SE plan if you already have it, you should not have to upgrade your plan at all. The SE is the best plan on the market. With all of the phones features people may love the phone and the plan makes it easier to come to Sprint where they will save maybe $50 a month compared to similar plans.

[Storm702]

You need to factor in that it's not entirely up to Sprint what the phone will cost. Palm has a say in it, too. You also have to consider that it's an entirely new OS and, like the iPhone at its debut, they don't usually start cheap. IMO, pricing it at $250 would be really awesome, but a stupid move from a backend business standpoint. I think $300-350 retail would be a good deal but at the same time the Centro is $399, BB Pearl is almost $500 I think. Why on EARTH would they list the Pre at $250?? There isn't a single PDA phone with Sprint that sells for under $350 retail.

Because it is smart. Palm and Sprint both needs to push something that will save their backsides. 200$ will be the base price after contracts and subsidization.

I wasn't talking about retail price LOL!!! Come on now. :clap: .... I'm talking about after subsidization and or maybe rebates. Obviously from a smart business administrator they will price to compete with the position they are in. Sprint and Palm would be stupid to price phone higher than it's competitors. iPhone, G1, Storm, ect. I'm assuming the phone will go over price deductions before anything becomes set in stone like the instinct. Expect a bluckbuster price for the phone when everything is said and done.

[ScrapMaker]

I never really liked PalmOS before now.... it seemed too boring and outdated--even when it was first released... I love the new layout, and the possibilities it brings to the table.

This new OS is a winner in nearly every category... It even does full MS Exchange... searchable company directories, etc... that's just about everything I could ask for from my WM phone... but it's much faster, smoother, and it's got a keyboard to boot.

Really, my only disappointments are the screen resolution, (only because of web browsing,) and the lack of SD slot.

They have time to add an SD slot, possibly, since I think every Palm ever made has a slot.

[Felicia]

To those who are afraid of plans changes I had so many plan since 1997 I can't even count how many. My first plan was 150 min for $30. It's just a part of life... things change.

I agree with the guy who said "you've got to pay, if you want to play" it's a fair statement. In 1997 all you could do was "talk" on a cell phone, but now costs have got to keep up with demand. In 2009 now it's like "what can you not do on a wireless phone". Sorry folks its a sign of times. If you have a tight budget as do I in these tough times you have look after your own wallet and stop expecting Sprint to come to your rescue. Don't get me wrong I appreciate the loyalty perks I've gotten over the years but I know if I can't t afford the plan then I don't need the phone. Like Laurs said I don't want to make the assumption that you have to switch plans if you want a Pre. If you have agranfathered plan with perks (that ensemble didn't catch lol ) don't get mad if have to change your plan.

[PokerFace23]

price has everything to do with Sprint. from what i recall correctly about the curve and pearl, depending on how many handsets Sprint orders from Palm will determine the price of the Pre.

[ScrapMaker]

If you check around, the SE plan is ONE HELL OF A DEAL. I don't see why everyone complains about it. On any other carrier you would spend $150-$180 for the same exact stuff.

People on SERO are paying less than I paid for 500-600 minutes with WWeb access and no messaging other than Sprint's WWeb messages. That plan was $59.99+tax in 2000.

I am tired of hearing people whining about losing their SERO/grandfathered plans. I switched from a $39.99 400+150 minute, + $15 unlimited vision, text, messaging, everything, to the $99 SE, and I couldn't be happier. I use TeleNav all the time, and now I am not afraid to make long business calls...

If the phone requires SE, then switch. If you're too cheap to switch, then try buying it out-right, and swapping the ESN. I'm sure you can do it yourself, or if you call retentions or something, they can probably make it happen.

[mrsp]

My $150 upgrade with Sprint Premier becomes effective next month and will be using it for the Palm Pre if it comes out before May. Although i dont want to change my plan( 600 min $30/$15 unlimited vision) I will be switching phones as the Centro has lost its appeal. My mine problem with the Centro is the small screen when watching Sprint TV and the cover for the expansion slot does not stay closed. Been using Palm phones since 2003 and would really like to stay with their product.

[Show]

If you check around, the SE plan is ONE HELL OF A DEAL. I don't see why everyone complains about it. On any other carrier you would spend $150-$180 for the same exact stuff.

People on SERO are paying less than I paid for 500-600 minutes with WWeb access and no messaging other than Sprint's WWeb messages. That plan was $59.99+tax in 2000.

I am tired of hearing people whining about losing their SERO/grandfathered plans. I switched from a $39.99 400+150 minute, + $15 unlimited vision, text, messaging, everything, to the $99 SE, and I couldn't be happier. I use TeleNav all the time, and now I am not afraid to make long business calls...

If the phone requires SE, then switch. If you're too cheap to switch, then try buying it out-right, and swapping the ESN. I'm sure you can do it yourself, or if you call retentions or something, they can probably make it happen.

I agree 100%. The SE is the best plan on the market. I had a GREAT plan set up by retention before SE and had a rep tweak it one day when I called up for simple question. In fact I probably did not have to get SE, but it was $20 more and I liked the fact I didn't have to watch going over 1000 minutes. (nights/weekends started at 5pm. not a typo I said 5pm) And that plan included everything EXCEPT the GPS which I plan on using when I get the Pre. That would have cost me between $10-$15 more a month. So I would only have save $5-$10 bucks.

[NM08SRT8]

If someone has a video of the Palm Keynote, I will buy you a.... Candy?

No but seriously, I wanna watch this thing. I wanna see the phone on video demoed and talked about.

[parazitu22]

If someone has a video of the Palm Keynote, I will buy you a.... Candy?

No but seriously, I wanna watch this thing. I wanna see the phone on video demoed and talked about.

I'm not sure the whole keynote is there, but it's not a bad video. There are 5 parts though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6l0birqeig

[NM08SRT8]

Whew! I just finally got through the thread!!!

Well....what I can I say. I loved Floormatt's comment on Palm's household name. I still say palm pilot when I discuss PDAs!!! (Remember FridayAfterNext---Money Mike (Katt Williams) "Let me check my Palm Pilot") CLASSIC!!!!

Loyalty- Been with Sprint since 1997, I've been using Palm PDAs since 2004. This is a very proud moment for me! I'm not a trend chaser I just want something that will suit my needs! I respect the Iphone, G1, Storm and Curve and studied the specs and appreciate the features but something kept holding me back from jumping from phone to phone everytime the wind blows. I see why now!!! Sticking with what you know and what works for you have its privledges! I'm not ready to leave Freddy yet. I've got a lot invested in him. I'm going see how the Pre works....besides I've waited this long... and with the new direction Palm is going it can only get better!

Palm- You were never out of game to me!
FM Posted in here? *Backtracks on thread to find this!*

[ScrapMaker]

If someone has a video of the Palm Keynote, I will buy you a.... Candy?

No but seriously, I wanna watch this thing. I wanna see the phone on video demoed and talked about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6l0birqeig&feature=related

[eden922]

If someone has a video of the Palm Keynote, I will buy you a.... Candy?

No but seriously, I wanna watch this thing. I wanna see the phone on video demoed and talked about.


part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6l0birqeig

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeKXksLEYo8

part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alhEZZ4-XP0

part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQriVan1Grs

part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdfkAeXhfEs

[titaniumSS]

To the person/people complaining about the no touch screen keyboard......I'm glad it doesn't have one!!! I absolutely HATE the laggy keyboard on my Touch. I would much rather have a no lag, physical keyboard like the Pre has.

[parazitu22]

To the person/people complaining about the no touch screen keyboard......I'm glad it doesn't have one!!! I absolutely HATE the laggy keyboard on my Touch. I would much rather have a no lag, physical keyboard like the Pre has.

Not to mention an onscreen keyboard is a really easy update, im sure devs will write one very soon. You can't just slap on a physical one, but a software one is no deal breaker.

[PhoneJunkie]

I am tempted to put my Treo 800 on ebay now and activate an old phone to have some spending cash tucked away for this phone. I have a feeling when this phone drops there will be a ton of Treo 800's, Touch Diamond's, and Touch Pro's flooding ebay when this phone drops. If I can sell my Treo 800 now I can probably get more than waiting until that point.

[mikejames07]

Yay! A new phone to anticipate:clap:....lol had been craving for something exciting since the TP and Diamond. But in all seriousness, I looked at those youtube videos and the webOS is looking fantastic! It's really basic with a ton of features.

As far as being a Sprint exclusive, Palm's CEO said the GSM model will be released around the same time frame as the Sprint model. I guess it'll be an American exclusive for a while (Sorry if this has been posted already)

[parazitu22]

I am tempted to put my Treo 800 on ebay now and activate an old phone to have some spending cash tucked away for this phone. I have a feeling when this phone drops there will be a ton of Treo 800's, Touch Diamond's, and Touch Pro's flooding ebay when this phone drops. If I can sell my Treo 800 now I can probably get more than waiting until that point.

I think you are quite right, the market value will plummet on 800's, diamonds, etc.. So if you have one, sell now to get the most money out of it. I will be holding on to my centro as i need a decent phone for a couple of months, and it's not like the centro is worth that much now, lol.

[Show]

I'm glad that I stuck with my Treo 755p and did not get the HTC Touch Pro. I almost got it a week ago and would have brought it back to the store once I heard about the Treo Pre.

I would have also lost the $150.00 rebate or instant savings I can get off of the phone from Sprint.

Does anyone have a date when the phone might be available?

Thank goodness I don't have to get a phone that has WM.

[bubbatex]

I think you are quite right, the market value will plummet on 800's, diamonds, etc.. So if you have one, sell now to get the most money out of it. I will be holding on to my centro as i need a decent phone for a couple of months, and it's not like the centro is worth that much now, lol.

Hold on there - I think the 800w is history and resell is gonna be crappy on that, but I would not put all WM phones in that category. The Pre is not gonna fix global warming, solve poverty and save the economy - others are still going to like their WM, iPhones and BB's!!

And the Centro might continue to sell well for the high school crowd due to its still more compact size and price ;).

[Stin]

This is a nice phone, but I'm taking my $30 Sero plan to the grave with me.

[parazitu22]

Hold on there - I think the 800w is history and resell is gonna be crappy on that, but I would not put all WM phones in that category. The Pre is not gonna fix global warming, solve poverty and save the economy - others are still going to like their WM, iPhones and BB's!!

And the Centro might continue to sell well for the high school crowd due to its still more compact size and price ;).

Based on the comments in this thread. "thank god i didn't buy the (insert wm phone here)", or "i will be returning my phone and hold off to get the pre" I think it will bring some people over from Wm, bb's, iphone not as much, but will be some converts there too. So i do anticipate value to drop on used winmo phones.

[bubbatex]

Based on the comments in this thread. "thank god i didn't buy the (insert wm phone here)", or "i will be returning my phone and hold off to get the pre" I think it will bring some people over from Wm, bb's, iphone not as much, but will be some converts there too. So i do anticipate value to drop on used winmo phones.

No doubt it will convert many, but the comments on this board are just a small .000xx% of the mobile world!

And as I said elsewhere - let's hope and pray the actual "phone" is not a piece of crapola!

[joba78]

This is a good looking phone from Palm...I cut my smartphone teeth on a 700p! I will need to get my mitts on this Pre to determine if I will fore-go the blackerry niagra.

[bubbatex]

Here's a 25 minute vid from TC: http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/2322-1.htm

More in-depth. This is actually getting better each time I look at it - well until the put the iPhone and the Storm beside of it. I like the display real estate on the iPhone and Storm.

Oh, then he puts the Bold beside of it.....

[whtcldjd]

this looks like such a great phone. it looks great online so hopefully, it's just as good in person & functions well. i have the original moto q so i'm dying for a new phone, but i'm glad i didn't get the touch pro yet.

[NM08SRT8]

Hold on there - I think the 800w is history and resell is gonna be crappy on that, but I would not put all WM phones in that category. The Pre is not gonna fix global warming, solve poverty and save the economy - others are still going to like their WM, iPhones and BB's!!

And the Centro might continue to sell well for the high school crowd due to its still more compact size and price ;).
But the Centro isn't "compact" compared to the Pre..

[JackG058]

But damnit, I'll have to make all-new screen savers to fit that resolution. That's gonna kill me.
Not to mention the video section that you are going to have to update! :hee:

I personally think this phone is HOT!!! I switched from the 700p to my Blackberry 8330 for the functionality. I liked being able to have gps and such. This will make me want to consider changing. But I may have to wait to see what blackberry devices are on the horizon for Sprint though.
Ah the BlackBerry. Engadget posted about a week ago that the Bold is due at Sprint very soon. I wonder if this will change some minds on the Pre.

One thing that has me a bit concerned is battery life. From what I can gather, this is a very web/data centric phone, with the operating system designed to constantly look for and pull data from the network. Won't that drain the battery at a precipitous rate?
BlackBerries are connected to the network constantly, which is partly how they do push email. Yet my Curve's battery lasts way longer than my Treo 800w's ever did. My point is that it is quite possible for Palm to have designed this with some battery saving tricks.



As far as being a Sprint exclusive, Palm's CEO said the GSM model will be released around the same time frame as the Sprint model. I guess it'll be an American exclusive for a while (Sorry if this has been posted already)

I'm not sure where you heard the the GSM model was going to be released around the same time, because I've read in multiple places that this is going to be a Sprint exclusive. Most likley Sprint will have it for several months, then GSM will get it. That is exactly how the Centro was released.

Oh, and I'd like to add way to go Palm. I hope this is all that it seems to be for you. And I hope it does nothing but help Sprint succeed.

[fakeguy]

This is a nice phone, but I'm taking my $30 Sero plan to the grave with me.

Amen brother, they'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands before I'd switch.

[Show]

I'm fine with the pull out key board. Of course I prefer to have the keyboard like the 755p already on the outside but this is will do ok. A touch screen keyboard is cool, but from what I read most people will still a keyboard external to the screen is one is available.

[NM08SRT8]

Whoever on EngadgetMobile said this screen wasn't responsive, they're cracked. I'm watching this guy demo, and I've watched A girl demo it and the screen is very responsive.

[ScrapMaker]

No doubt it will convert many, but the comments on this board are just a small .000xx% of the mobile world!

And as I said elsewhere - let's hope and pray the actual "phone" is not a piece of crapola!

Exactly. We only represent a SMALL portion of customers, but imagine, since we are WAY MORE INCLINED TO LIKE A WM PHONE, and that a lot of us are ready to jump to WebOS, (myself included--after being a diehard WM fan for years,) then I think the normal consumer will probably want this phone/OS as well.

[gedansky]

Yes, this is the long awaited successor to the Palm OS, and it looks amazing!

Thanks! Glad they announced it. I was about to buy the Treo Pro. I'm sure I would be happy with the Pro, but I'd rather go with the New Palm OS. Especially with a 3 mp camera with led flash (two young kids, every moment's a "Kodak moment").

I'll admit, I'm not 100% about the slider idea, but it really is the only answer to having a hard qwerty AND more viewing real estate. And, they did a great job. My greatest hope is that it runs consistently. While I'm sure we were the minority (or it would have been recalled I'm sure), a lot of us had problems with the Treo 600, 650, and 700p. The 755p was the first one I had that has performed most consistently. So, if they have hardware and software that turn on and run, more often than they freeze up or reboot, and the features work as described, than, Woo hoo!

As an aside...I find the references to the iPhone amusing and the suggestion that this is ripping it, and other phones, off. First, there are no new ideas. Period. The iPhone comes from years of watching others make PDA phones and then coming with a snappy, easy to use device that does all the things the others do, and appears to do it better. How is this any different? Palm was the first PDA phone OS. From Kyocera, to Samsung, to HandSpring, back to Palm, companies have been trying to find the right balance of features to performance. But, all of them have copied a concept that Palm has had since about 1996. The whole PIM concept was created by them, and has remained, at it's core unchanged, whether it's offered in Palm, Blackberry, WinMo or other flavors. So, in closing, I say, of course, they copied the IPhone. But, for those of us who need a business capable device with a real qwerty, I think they have done a better job of meeting our needs. The same may also be said about the Palm Treo Pro. For the rest, there's still the iPhone.

[laursifer]

We may represent a small percentage of the buying customers out there, but we are among the most experienced, informed and--most importantly--critical mobile users out there (in the Sprint world, at least).

Yet there are still a large percentage who haven't bothered to read a single damn page of this thread before posting :p READ BEFORE YOU POST PEOPLE. I am a post-deletin' machine, believe you me. Don't ask stupid questions (I've had posts asking what the new model is called, or the new OS, which I put right in the dang title!) or even non-stupid questions that have already been answered a few times, sometimes only a couple of posts above yours. That is the end of my rant, for now. I will probably have to make more later. I'm still a very nice person though, I swerrrrr.

[NM08SRT8]

We may represent a small percentage of the buying customers out there, but we are among the most experienced, informed and--most importantly--critical mobile users out there (in the Sprint world, at least).

Yet there are still a large percentage who haven't bothered to read a single damn page of this thread before posting :p READ BEFORE YOU POST PEOPLE. I am a post-deletin' machine, believe you me. Don't ask stupid questions (I've had posts asking what the new model is called, or the new OS, which I put right in the dang title!) or even non-stupid questions that have already been answered a few times, sometimes only a couple of posts above yours. That is the end of my rant, for now. I will probably have to make more later. I'm still a very nice person though, I swerrrrr.
Know what's funny Laursifer, is I can tell you're all into this device, being the only Mod next to FloorMattress who's decided to post in here. He's getting one too! Finally, me and him can agree on a phone lol

Oh yeah... Palm Pre. There, now my post isn't off topic :D

[Felicia]

Laurs........you know how to keep it moving!

I posted this on Treo Central but I'm feeling sentimental...

I'm really impressed with the Pre and honored to remain a Palm loyalist. I like the direction they are going with the webos and touchstone concepts. I think they are disassociating with the Treo brand because of its public perception of it being outdated. Now they have a fresh start to improve their brand and restore Palm to its former glory and I applaud them for reinventing themselves. Treo 800w and Treo Pro....this is the end of the Treo Dynasty!
It was a fun ride, an unforgetable era!

[laursifer]

So, in closing, I say, of course, they copied the IPhone. But, for those of us who need a business capable device with a real qwerty, I think they have done a better job of meeting our needs. The same may also be said about the Palm Treo Pro. For the rest, there's still the iPhone.

Amen. I get so annoyed with iPhone comparisons and the constant references to phones being iPhone killers. I think everyone just needs to get a few things straight: a) the iPhone is a great phone that introduced some pretty nifty technology; b) the iPhone also used technology that has been around for years in other devices and c) when Company A introduces some kind of new technology that's really awesome and popular, Companies B-Z are going to use it as well. That's what we call effective business decisions for turning profits and bringing the latest and greatest to your customers.

I love the iPhone. I love Apple. I have nothing against either of them. But I'm not going to talk down or gripe about phones that have seen the great things Apple has done and try to bring them to their audience as well. It happens in every single business out there. A manufacturer that would leave out neat little things like that just because they don't want to be accused of ripping off Apple is a manufacturer that will be denying their customers some great stuff. I just think it would have been neat if they did the whole pinching and stretching of web pages a little differently, because that is kind of blatantly an iPhone thing, but chances are they tried a different way and came to the conclusion that Apple hit that nail on the head the first time and there isn't a better way to do it. Or not... but what do I care... it's NEAT.

[laursifer]

Know what's funny Laursifer, is I can tell you're all into this device...

I'm into its potential. Right now, I am still 100% satisfied with my Centro. Since the Pre will be sportin' a brand new OS, I have to be open to the fact that it might not be so spectacular right out of the box. But everything I've read and seen, the phone really does seem to be hitting at all the right angles. We'll just have to see how accurately it hits them, which with a new OS, I expect some misfirings at first and that's fine by me. That's the way of technology. I think I keep my expectations pretty realistic instead of bashing companies who have flawed products at launch--that is just the nature of electronics and I think I'm a pretty darn understanding person for accepting that and being willing to work through it or wait until the bugs and issues have been resolved.

As a mod, though, I am 100% particular about keeping threads organized and clean so that when newcomers try to read such a large discussion, they don't have to go through post after post of repeated or useless comments (casual discussion and new information is all fine & dandy). There are a great deal of users who can't stand that about me, and unfortunately for them, the Palm forum is my stomping ground. Reading a 10-20 page thread (or even more) really doesn't take that long... laziness annoys me lol.

If you don't have anything nice... wait...

If you don't have anything useful to say, don't say it at all :p

[Felicia]

I just thought of something it doesn't have a stylus, right? Which means the screen is capacitive. UGGGHHHHH I can't use the Iphone, Storm or G1 because I have long (real) nails.

I don't even use the stylus with my Centro. My nails are my styli!!! Panic Attack!! And some of you were upset over it being a slider! Sheeesh! LOL...I'll make it somehow I will not cut my nails I will have to type by fingerprinting the phone. LOL

A good article about touchscreens
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28390559/

[Storino03]

I skipped out on the Diamond and Pro, and will get the Treo Pre when it comes out. Finally a phone that is genuinely worth my glance.

--James

[parazitu22]

I just thought of something it doesn't have a stylus, right? Which the screen is capacitive. UGGGHHHHH I can't use the Iphone, Storm or G1 because I have long (real) nails.

I don't even use the stylus with my Centro. My nails are my styli!!! Panic Attack!! And some of you were upset over it being a slider! Sheeesh! LOL...I'll make it somehow I will not cut my nails I will have to type by fingerprinting the phone. LOL

A good article about touchscreens
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28390559/

Lol, my wife has the same problem, I showed her the phone and she really liked it, but she has doubts about now being able to use it because of her fingernails, and also she wants one in pink. :lol::lol::lol:

[NM08SRT8]

I skipped out on the Diamond and Pro, and will get the Treo Pre when it comes out. Finally a phone that is genuinely worth my glance.

--James
FYI, It's not a Treo.. It's the Pre, a new line up and model of phone. Hense the different design from the other Treo look

[gage006]

This will more than likely be my first Palm. I'm in love with this thing. My only concern is it probably won't have turn-by-turn GPS. I use the Sprint Nav on my BB like crazy. Probably one of my favorite apps. I doubt they can pull that off with Javascript and HTML. Hopefully there's another SDK for the big developers.

I really want this phone but I don't know if I can live without my turn-by-turn.

[PokerFace23]

just texted my palm rep. he was canned recently after getting promoted. go palm. he even agrees that if this phone doesn't take off, palm is done. they've let go of so many people within the last month.

Palm Pre. Only on SPRINT~

[NM08SRT8]

This will more than likely be my first Palm. I'm in love with this thing. My only concern is it probably won't have turn-by-turn GPS. I use the Sprint Nav on my BB like crazy. Probably one of my favorite apps. I doubt they can pull that off with Javascript and HTML. Hopefully there's another SDK for the big developers.

I really want this phone but I don't know if I can live without my turn-by-turn.
Buy a GPS then..

[gage006]

Buy a GPS then..

Why when I already have a device that does it beautifully? I'm all for consolidating devices. The Pre has a touch screen and has GPS. All it needs is the app.

[laursifer]

It has true GPS. I posted a link earlier in this thread to Palm's site for the Pre... and that goes into a bit of detail, but basically... yes, it does have true GPS.

[parazitu22]

In one of the demoes i thought it showed it had turn by turn gps, if not, i'm sure sprint will be pushing their gps app, they make good money off that.

[gage006]

I know it has true GPS, I just didn't know if the app would be there. I've watched a fairly large amount of videos on it and I never saw one showing a turn-by-turn. The only thing I saw was a Google Maps app. If anyone finds it, i'd love to see it. Puts my one fear of this phone to rest.

Now to wait for this and the touchstone :(

[laursifer]

On Palm's site they show a pic of it that suggests a Telenav-style GPS app (note the 'GPS Navigation' title on the tab in the pic below). It will obviously come with a fee (partially why they'll probably push SE plans) but my guess is that it will either come installed or be available for download immediately (Sprint Navigation, that is) since GPS is a very popular mobile phone feature these days.

http://laursifer.googlepages.com/Pre_GPS.jpg (http://laursifer.googlepages.com/Pre_GPS.jpg)

[gage006]

Wow, how'd I miss that? Thank you!!!

[laursifer]

Lots of nice pics on the Palm site: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/

Do you guys think I should edit the first post to create a list of good video and article links?

[NM08SRT8]

Remember, that wasn't Sprints build, they still have their apps to load on, like the Music Store, Sprint GPS, etc etc.

[NM08SRT8]

Lots of nice pics on the Palm site: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/

Do you guys think I should edit the first post to create a list of good video and article links?
I would, also kinda do a run down of the pages? So in case people need to find something.. OR do a Fact Sheet, FAQ style or something.

[gage006]

Lots of nice pics on the Palm site: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/

Do you guys think I should edit the first post to create a list of good video and article links?

That'd probably be a good idea. Nice place to point people. Gizmodo has a ton of walkthrough videos and crackberry has a long 25 minute one that was good.

[Fooster7]

Lots of nice pics on the Palm site: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/

Do you guys think I should edit the first post to create a list of good video and article links?

Absolutely. That would be very helpful, Lars. It'd save some people the time of going from page to page, trying to find links and relevant info about the phone. Thank you.

This phone is jaw-droppingly gorgeous. I've been putting off extending my contract and getting a Centro or 755p for my first smart phone, can't say I was too happy about either phone though. I am very, very glad I waited to see what Palm put out at CES. This is the first phone from Sprint that I've been excited about. Now if we could get Sprint to nail down a concrete release date...

[Edibledawg]

Does anyone know if there is video capability? I take a lot of vids w/my Centro & I don't see any mention of it. Hard to imagine Palm touting web synergy without video capability (YouTube? MySpace?). Also any info on Flash Player?
I just recently upgraded to 8 gig micro sd card and sad to hear Pre doesn't have external memory. But I think with micro USB connection + card reader/software you could probably transfer and exchange a lot of files that way. I've got over 400 songs plus pics & vids + apps, just recently went over 4 gig line. So I think 8 gigs is enuff. I also got the 8 gig card 'cause I was looking to get GPS receiver & software, which can occupy 2 gig or more. Can you use 3rd party GPS software? Any info or updates on this would be appreciated.
Got my Centro a year ago, now I'm anxious to get the new Pre.

[NM08SRT8]

Does anyone know if there is video capability? I take a lot of vids w/my Centro & I don't see any mention of it. Hard to imagine Palm touting web synergy without video capability (YouTube? MySpace?). Also any info on Flash Player?
I just recently upgraded to 8 gig micro sd card and sad to hear Pre doesn't have external memory. But I think with micro USB connection + card reader/software you could probably transfer and exchange a lot of files that way. I've got over 400 songs plus pics & vids + apps, just recently went over 4 gig line. So I think 8 gigs is enuff. I also got the 8 gig card 'cause I was looking to get GPS receiver & software, which can occupy 2 gig or more. Can you use 3rd party GPS software? Any info or updates on this would be appreciated.
Got my Centro a year ago, now I'm anxious to get the new Pre.
Oh I'm sure there will be a vid camera on it..

[laursifer]

Can you use 3rd party GPS software? Any info or updates on this would be appreciated.

I would say that's a definite yes, but it will take some time since it's a new OS.

[jschu22]

I just wish we didn't have to sort through 573 posts for a phone that was announced 45 minutes ago. I realize I just added to that problem, but I'm sure I'm not alone.

To add something at least a little bit productive to the conversation- In reference to the recently fired Palm rep that said "Palm is done": is this really an objective source?

[Thug541]

Palm's stock has jumped 33% in a day.

[laursifer]

I just wish we didn't have to sort through 573 posts for a phone that was announced 45 minutes ago.

Technically it was announced yesterday ;)

But I'll have the first post eventually edited with links to helpful sites and videos and all that goodness. I'll also do my best to create an FAQ as well.

[laursifer]

Okay, I think I got all of the links posted so far and have added them to the first post of this thread. I will do my best to keep up with any new links added from this point forward.

I'm going to work on an FAQ-type thing, which I'm sure I'll need everyone's help with but let's not use this thread for that. Once I get it started, I'll create a new thread for that and we can go from there. Thank you everyone!

[Sarcazmo]

The UI looks solid!

However, I for the life of me cant figure out why they didnt include flash as a built in option. For a phone they're touting as such a web centric device, I would have thought flash inclusion to be a no brainer.

I'm also disapointed to see a lack of external storage. I tend to convert AVIs and run them on my phone.

All in all it does look like a great device. I cant wait to get some hands on time.

Hopefully Sprints android phone comes out around the same time. Nothing wrong with a little competition. :)

[tc600]

However, I for the life of me cant figure out why they didnt include flash as a built in option. For a phone they're touting as such a web centric device, I would have thought flash inclusion to be a no brainer.

Does anyone know if there is video capability? I take a lot of vids w/my Centro & I don't see any mention of it. Hard to imagine Palm touting web synergy without video capability (YouTube? MySpace?). Also any info on Flash Player?

It's still pre-production, so I think there's still hope that Flash will be available for launch. I think they featured YouTube, so they're at least planning to have a YouTube client.

In the Crackberry/TreoCentral video, the marketing manager tiptoed around the video question by saying that they weren't announcing anything related to video recording "today" ... so I take that to mean that video recording isn't quite production-ready yet, but as with Flash, I'm hopeful it'll be ready by release.

Anyway my question to all of you far more saavy people out there, do you think that Palm updated this incompatibility? I really like the style of this Palm Pre` and will absolutely buy it if it will sync with my 64 bit laptop via the USB cable.

The phone supports USB Mass Storage mode, so attaching the micro USB cable to your 64-bit laptop will bring the Pre up as an external drive. Whether they'll include software that actually does some sort of sync is still up for debate, but you will certainly be able to drag files to and from the device as if it were a thumb drive.

[ScrapMaker]

The UI looks solid!

However, I for the life of me cant figure out why they didnt include flash as a built in option. For a phone they're touting as such a web centric device, I would have thought flash inclusion to be a no brainer.

I'm also disapointed to see a lack of external storage. I tend to convert AVIs and run them on my phone.

All in all it does look like a great device. I cant wait to get some hands on time.

Hopefully Sprints android phone comes out around the same time. Nothing wrong with a little competition. :)


Nothing wrong with competition... I still don't understand the fascination with Android... it's just Linux... nothing revolutionary, really.

It doesn't seem nearly as polished as WebOS.

Also, one of the videos I saw, said that they weren't announcing it "today." I believe it will have flash support by the time it launches...

[ame]

Oh I'm sure there will be a vid camera on it..

There is not a video camera on it. Probably in the next device. I am pretty sure that one of the presenters mentioned no video, but if not I am sure that Deiter Bohn from TreoCentral said there was not.

That won't be a total dealbreaker for me. I think I have used the video function on any phone like 1 or 2 times, and both were at concerts.

[ScrapMaker]

There is not a video camera on it. Probably in the next device. I am pretty sure that one of the presenters mentioned no video, but if not I am sure that Deiter Bohn from TreoCentral said there was not.

That won't be a total dealbreaker for me. I think I have used the video function on any phone like 1 or 2 times, and both were at concerts.

It will have video, obviously. They must not have had it integrated yet. If you notice, they tried to stay away from using the camera at all. I think they still need to put the finishing touches on that aspect.

This is a pre-production device, and viewing it as such, I am quite amazed. It looks very polished.

I have heard different videos mention different things... some say it has hardware autofocus AND a depth of field software... and some say it's just software focus...

Either way, I'd still like it

[adamlee2001GXE]

I was searching for reviews on a particular GPS unit for my car, when I saw this article. I dont know if it had been posted before, but some more nuggets of info on the PRE.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2338583,00.asp

[ame]

I am loooving this thing. The more I watch the more I love. I was REALLY hoping for a memory card slot, but that doesn't look likely in the first batch...but the software is just mindbogglingly cool.

[NM08SRT8]

Here is another list of links and what not that Engadget Mobile has provided as well..

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/01/09/palm-pre-webos-launch-roundup/

[Sarcazmo]

Nothing wrong with competition... I still don't understand the fascination with Android... it's just Linux... nothing revolutionary, really.

It doesn't seem nearly as polished as WebOS.
...

I just love the fact that its open source and community driven. I'd imagine things like video codecs will be able to show up much quicker on android than palm's new OS. Additionally I'd imagine the android apps might be priced a little lower, but who knows, its all pure conjecture at this point.

I know they've stated its going to be very dev friendly, but I cant believe they're going to open it up to everyone tom **** and jane to develop on. I'm going to imagine that Palm is going retain some type of control, not as much as Apple, but not as liberal as Android.

And I'm all for competition. Competition breeds innovation!

The Pre looks like a great device, and I'll be giving it a long look! If it supported flash out of the box (which I understand it may) and had external storage I'd buy it the day it came out.

[Show]

Okay, I think I got all of the links posted so far and have added them to the first post of this thread. I will do my best to keep up with any new links added from this point forward.

I'm going to work on an FAQ-type thing, which I'm sure I'll need everyone's help with but let's not use this thread for that. Once I get it started, I'll create a new thread for that and we can go from there. Thank you everyone!

Thank you. That will be most helpful and very much appreciated. If you find out the release date I would put that out front for eveyone to see.

[Show]

Thanks! Glad they announced it. I was about to buy the Treo Pro. I'm sure I would be happy with the Pro, but I'd rather go with the New Palm OS. Especially with a 3 mp camera with led flash (two young kids, every moment's a "Kodak moment").

I'll admit, I'm not 100% about the slider idea, but it really is the only answer to having a hard qwerty AND more viewing real estate. And, they did a great job. My greatest hope is that it runs consistently. While I'm sure we were the minority (or it would have been recalled I'm sure), a lot of us had problems with the Treo 600, 650, and 700p. The 755p was the first one I had that has performed most consistently. So, if they have hardware and software that turn on and run, more often than they freeze up or reboot, and the features work as described, than, Woo hoo!

As an aside...I find the references to the iPhone amusing and the suggestion that this is ripping it, and other phones, off. First, there are no new ideas. Period. The iPhone comes from years of watching others make PDA phones and then coming with a snappy, easy to use device that does all the things the others do, and appears to do it better. How is this any different? Palm was the first PDA phone OS. From Kyocera, to Samsung, to HandSpring, back to Palm, companies have been trying to find the right balance of features to performance. But, all of them have copied a concept that Palm has had since about 1996. The whole PIM concept was created by them, and has remained, at it's core unchanged, whether it's offered in Palm, Blackberry, WinMo or other flavors. So, in closing, I say, of course, they copied the IPhone. But, for those of us who need a business capable device with a real qwerty, I think they have done a better job of meeting our needs. The same may also be said about the Palm Treo Pro. For the rest, there's still the iPhone.

Well said. Hopefully when it is all said and done we will be saying that Palm didn't copy the iphone, they just perfected something that they started long ago.

[Next Steps]

I dont think Palm or Sprint even know what the release date is gonna be right now.

[PhoneJunkie]

I was searching for reviews on a particular GPS unit for my car, when I saw this article. I dont know if it had been posted before, but some more nuggets of info on the PRE.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2338583,00.asp



It says analysts are hoping for a price of $199-$249 but I don't see how that is going to happen with some current phones at $249 or more. I am pretty sure it will require an everything plan for it to be in that price range.

[NM08SRT8]

It says analysts are hoping for a price of $199-$249 but I don't see how that is going to happen with some current phones at $249 or more. I am pretty sure it will require an everything plan for it to be in that price range.
Well look at the Instinct when it came out. What it had to offer compared to other similar devices in the market at that time, it was priced at $129... And with the iPhone costing $199 at least, I'm sure Palm and Sprint will keep the price competitive. They need to when you consider their situation. The only way to get back in the game for them is to create a good selling, quality product at a competitive price.

Remember, people look at a phones price too, not just what it has to offer. I love the iPhone, it's priced good but I'm not willing to continue paying $50+ extra for less minutes, service provided features and choppy coverage (in my area) when I can have Sprint, pay $99 for everything and have a very good phone, with very good coverage (again, in my area).

[gedansky]

This will more than likely be my first Palm. I'm in love with this thing. My only concern is it probably won't have turn-by-turn GPS. I use the Sprint Nav on my BB like crazy. Probably one of my favorite apps. I doubt they can pull that off with Javascript and HTML. Hopefully there's another SDK for the big developers.

I really want this phone but I don't know if I can live without my turn-by-turn.

It does have turn-by-turn GPS. In case you were interested. It's in the specs.

[sshorkey]

Lol, my wife has the same problem, I showed her the phone and she really liked it, but she has doubts about now being able to use it because of her fingernails, and also she wants one in pink. :lol::lol::lol:

if you cant use it due to nails.. I'll bet people will get good with the trackball thing.

[Edibledawg]

....will absolutely buy it if it will sync with my 64 bit laptop via the USB cable......

I can't Hot sync w/my wife's new laptop either. She has a 64 bit system. I drive a truck over the road & don't have a laptop, that's why I got my Centro. But when I get home I used to Hot Sync on our old computer(32 bit). I hope that Palm & other software developers start being compatible with 64 bit.
My wife got a USB external backup drive w/built in auto back up software, then come to find out it doesn't support 64 bit. They offered 64 bit software version for $89.
And yes, no prob with drag & drop to add & delete stuff to my Centro via USB cable using CardReader but it's the 64 bit incompatability that's the concern.
BTW, is there a way to voice these concerns to Palm directly?
• Video Recording
• Flash Player
• Micro SD slot (I upgraded from stock 512 to 1 gig to 4 gig & now 8 gig)
• 64 bit Hot Sync compatability
• True GPS, not assisted w/ability to use other GPS software, not just TELENAV (I travel 48 & Canada, & Sprint Coverage isn't everywhere, GPS satellites are)

[ScrapMaker]

....will absolutely buy it if it will sync with my 64 bit laptop via the USB cable......

I can't Hot sync w/my wife's new laptop either. She has a 64 bit system. I drive a truck over the road & don't have a laptop, that's why I got my Centro. But when I get home I used to Hot Sync on our old computer(32 bit). I hope that Palm & other software developers start being compatible with 64 bit.
My wife got a USB external backup drive w/built in auto back up software, then come to find out it doesn't support 64 bit. They offered 64 bit software version for $89.
And yes, no prob with drag & drop to add & delete stuff to my Centro via USB cable using CardReader but it's the 64 bit incompatability that's the concern.
BTW, is there a way to voice these concerns to Palm directly?
• Video Recording
• Flash Player
• Micro SD slot (I upgraded from stock 512 to 1 gig to 4 gig & now 8 gig)
• 64 bit Hot Sync compatability
• True GPS, not assisted w/ability to use other GPS software, not just TELENAV (I travel 48 & Canada, & Sprint Coverage isn't everywhere, GPS satellites are)


Why the hell would you NOT want A-GPS? It's just "full GPS," with an additional assist for speed, and for when GPS signal is weak. It's the best of both worlds.

[Show]

Well look at the Instinct when it came out. What it had to offer compared to other similar devices in the market at that time, it was priced at $129... And with the iPhone costing $199 at least, I'm sure Palm and Sprint will keep the price competitive. They need to when you consider their situation. The only way to get back in the game for them is to create a good selling, quality product at a competitive price.

Remember, people look at a phones price too, not just what it has to offer. I love the iPhone, it's priced good but I'm not willing to continue paying $50+ extra for less minutes, service provided features and choppy coverage (in my area) when I can have Sprint, pay $99 for everything and have a very good phone, with very good coverage (again, in my area).

I see some people concerned with the plan that Sprint may require you to have. If you used all of the features like, internet, text, GPS etc your going to need to have a plan to do all of that. the iphone, I'm sure BB's all require you to have some sort of plan. Compare that price to what Sprint charges for Simply Everything and your saving money. $99 compared to $150-$180.

I'm not sure what the phone will cost I'm thinking (just my thoughts) that it may be 399 FOR OLD CUSTOMERS...cheaper for new customers with a service agreement with Sprint hoping the older customer are still eligible for a one of those instant rebates which range from $75 to $150 to help bring down the price of the phone.

Of course I'm hoping for $249 which if you have a $150 rebate will mean you pay $99 for the phone even at $75 off it's still $174. When I think of it that way it makes me think the phone will be more expensive. However if the phone is lower and anywhere from $199-$249, Sprint should do great in terms of sheer volume of people buying the phone.

[ScrapMaker]

I see some people concerned with the plan that Sprint may require you to have. If you used all of the features like, internet, text, GPS etc your going to need to have a plan to do all of that. the iphone, I'm sure BB's all require you to have some sort of plan. Compare that price to what Sprint charges for Simply Everything and your saving money. $99 compared to $150-$180.

Exactly! It's half the price of any other carrier!

I'm not sure what the phone will cost I'm thinking (just my thoughts) that it may be 399 FOR OLD CUSTOMERS...cheaper for new customers with a service agreement with Sprint hoping the older customer are still eligible for a one of those instant rebates which range from $75 to $150 to help bring down the price of the phone.

Of course I'm hoping for $249 which if you have a $150 rebate will mean you pay $99 for the phone even at $75 off it's still $174. When I think of it that way it makes me think the phone will be more expensive. However if the phone is lower and anywhere from $199-$249, Sprint should do great in terms of sheer volume of people buying the phone.

Keep hoping ;)

I would bet on $299 with 2-year renewal. $599 full price, or higher.

[mrdavis55]

I hope it syncs with mobile me out of the box.....

man... everything syncs with google... They're gonna be ruling the world soon....

[ScrapMaker]

I hope it syncs with mobile me out of the box.....

man... everything syncs with google... They're gonna be ruling the world soon....

Screw that, I only want to sync with Outlook. Why give Google or MobileMe all of my information? Google knows more about you than you do about yourself... I'm still amazed that people are more than willing to give up all their privacy... Imagine running Android... I bet it uploads all your personal info... That's how Google makes money.

[mrdavis55]

they've already said it syncs with outlook.... Not to mention palm has been syncing with outlook for a long time.....

[ScrapMaker]

they've already said it syncs with outlook.... Not to mention palm has been syncing with outlook for a long time.....

Oh I know it syncs with Outlook. I do wonder, however, how seamless it is---like on my WM phone... Also, I wonder how delayed it is... on a BB, it can be 5-10 minutes delayed...

[mrdavis55]

Palm has posted the CES event video on their website.... its great to watch....

(smacks self if someone already posted this)

[bubbatex]

Oh I know it syncs with Outlook. I do wonder, however, how seamless it is---like on my WM phone... Also, I wonder how delayed it is... on a BB, it can be 5-10 minutes delayed...

I heard or read somewhere that it would support Exchange ActiveSync. I believe I saw that when Dieter Bohn was blogging the press conference live - soooo much info now it is hard to remember it all.

[mrdavis55]

wow... after watching that video i'm pretty sure i could not be more exited.... I'm going to camp out at dan's office right now....

[sfhub]

I can't Hot sync w/my wife's new laptop either. She has a 64 bit system. I drive a truck over the road & don't have a laptop, that's why I got my Centro. But when I get home I used to Hot Sync on our old computer(32 bit). I hope that Palm & other software developers start being compatible with 64 bit.
...
True GPS, not assisted w/ability to use other GPS software, not just TELENAV (I travel 48 & Canada, & Sprint Coverage isn't everywhere, GPS satellites are)
You can hotsync on 64-bit vista. You just need to use bluetooth instead of the cable. Palm Desktop works fine and Hotsync manager can be configured to use the BT serial port. It is just the USB drivers that don't work on 64-bit vista.

On centro, freedom 2000 keychain GPS works very nice with GPS programs of your choice. In this day in age, I would hope if they included the builtin GPS, they would enable it to work standalone like on the HTC phones. Hopefully they learned their lesson from the disappointed 800w users.

[Aurakles]

wow... after watching that video i'm pretty sure i could not be more exited.... I'm going to camp out at dan's office right now....
I just saw a video (over at Mobileburn) and it's the first time I've been wowed by a phone. I was not this amazed at the iPhone, though I thought it was innovative. I already have enough reasons to leave my current carrier, but whether or not my contract ends before this device is released you'll have a hard time keeping me from switching to Sprint for this device. I am totally :headbang2. Amazing job Palm and Sprint (for snagging the exclusive). I guess sometimes it pays to be forgotten.

[sfhub]

This will more than likely be my first Palm. I'm in love with this thing. My only concern is it probably won't have turn-by-turn GPS. I use the Sprint Nav on my BB like crazy. Probably one of my favorite apps. I doubt they can pull that off with Javascript and HTML. Hopefully there's another SDK for the big developers.

Google maps on your PC is javascript and HTML so I don't think it is that far fetched.

[mrdavis55]

Does the pre need to beat the bold release date to reach peak effectiveness?

[Aurakles]

Does the pre need to beat the bold release date to reach peak effectiveness?
Not necessarily. They just need to have effective marketing and pricing. Blackberry devices have a cult following, and those who want a Blackberry will gravitate to that, but save for some cosmetic changes to the OS, the Bold is not as much a dramatic step forward as the Pre is from, say, a Palm Centro/Pro. I currently have Bold on AT&T and frankly the Pre is a far more impressive device.

[Awake]

I was told by two different reps from Sprints Executive Services that the Palm Pre is planned to be released late January to early February. That would make sense, Palm will be announcing the GSM Euro-Version Mid February.

[parazitu22]

Here come the release date rumors..

[Awake]

Well it has to be released some time doesn't it, whether it's the next few weeks to the next few months it will get released. I am only echoing what I was told.

[exi]

Any word on whether this will require a Simply Everything plan?

Hope to see it out within the month / early February. Of course, that'll mean that I have a Diamond to try and sell... meh.

[zuberx6]

Just watched the whole CES video on the palm site very nice quality. All I can say about this smartphone is WOW! And their not done adding to it yet. MY plan is up in June. By then this baby should be singing.

[Park]

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I hope it syncs with mobile me out of the box.....

man... everything syncs with google... They're gonna be ruling the world soon....

Screw that, I only want to sync with Outlook. Why give Google or MobileMe all of my information? Google knows more about you than you do about yourself... I'm still amazed that people are more than willing to give up all their privacy... Imagine running Android... I bet it uploads all your personal info... That's how Google makes money.

Why "screw that"? Why do you not want it to sync with MobileMe or Google? (It does sync with Google BTW.) No one's going to force you to use MobileMe or Google, so why do you even care at all?

[ScrapMaker]

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Why "screw that"? Why do you not want it to sync with MobileMe or Google? (It does sync with Google BTW.) No one's going to force you to use MobileMe or Google, so why do you even care at all?

I was only pointing out how every loves spoon-feeding Google every aspect of their lives... from web searches, sites you visit, all their emails, their tasks, calendar events, and even their documents...

If you are the kind of person who doesn't care about privacy, then the Google sync feature will be pretty awesome.

[rxblitzrx]

Is there a difference between SERO plans and "Everything" plans?

I'm basically wondering if I can keep my $30 SERO plan and use this phone. I'm still stuck on the 700p!