NBA Trades

[tbakergobuck]

What do you think about the latest NBA trades. Shaq to Phoenix, Gasol to the Lakers, Wallace/Smith/Szczerbiak/West to the Cavs, Bibby to Atlanta, Kidd to Dallas.

Shaq looked pretty good in his 1st game with the Suns considering he didn't play for a month I think. There's no doubt that Gasol has made the Lakers better. Being a Cavs I'm just happy that the GM finally made a deal and I bet Lebron is happy as well. I know Wallace is not the same player as he once was but he had some issues in Chicago. The move could spark him and I'm thinking he will play hard against his the Pistons since they got rid of him. The other players the Cavs got will help spread out the court for Lebron and hopefully they can be more consistent hitting wide open shots.

[jimmyeat311]

yeah it has been a year of moves...in just about every sport i watch...im wondering if the celts will make a trade for a new pg....i think rando is doing an amzing job for a sophmore...but the rumors up here in the beanpot are sayin they think something could go down...

[NINO63004]

What do you think about the latest NBA trades. Shaq to Phoenix, Gasol to the Lakers, Wallace/Smith/Szczerbiak/West to the Cavs, Bibby to Atlanta, Kidd to Dallas.

Shaq looked pretty good in his 1st game with the Suns considering he didn't play for a month I think. There's no doubt that Gasol has made the Lakers better. Being a Cavs I'm just happy that the GM finally made a deal and I bet Lebron is happy as well. I know Wallace is not the same player as he once was but he had some issues in Chicago. The move could spark him and I'm thinking he will play hard against his the Pistons since they got rid of him. The other players the Cavs got will help spread out the court for Lebron and hopefully they can be more consistent hitting wide open shots.

Well the Pistons really didnt get rid of wallace they just didnt offer enough money. At least that is how I thought it happened.

Though I think he will play hard against the Pistons and will play much better with the Cavs since he has better players around him.



Nino

[tbakergobuck]

Shaq had another good game last night. He only had 4 points but he had a few blocks and 14 rebounds. I can't wait to see the new cavs play.

[NINO63004]

Shaq had another good game last night. He only had 4 points but he had a few blocks and 14 rebounds. I can't wait to see the new cavs play.


Did you see the Cavs game last night? That was a close game.




Nino

[tbakergobuck]

Did you see the Cavs game last night? That was a close game.




NinoYea I got to see the last 5 mins and James missed his third consecutive triple double by 2 assists. Cavs had to call up 2 players and they only had 8 players total because the new cavs won't play until tomorrow. The Cavs have a few players that are recovering from bad ankle sprains.

[NINO63004]

Yea I got to see the last 5 mins and James missed his third consecutive triple double by 2 assists. Cavs had to call up 2 players and they only had 8 players total because the new cavs won't play until tomorrow. The Cavs have a few players that are recovering from bad ankle sprains.


Yeah he had a good game. I thought the Cavs were going to lose when Lebron tried to shoot a 3 pointer and hit the side of the backboard. They were down by 1 at that point I think. But he got a foul called next time and made the free throws.

Good game.



Nino

[tbakergobuck]

The new cavs looked good in there first game but it was just against Memphis. Wallace had a double double and smith hit some shots. The Cavs are going to have a deep bench.

[Artist Dave]

I think it makes the second half more exciting to watch.. too bad my Bucks didnt make a move

[Studintx]

You forgot Elson/Barry to Seattle for Kurt Thomas to San Antonio, very good trade right there if you ask me..

[kulnet]

Well, I'm certainly liking the trade for Bobby Jackson that my Rockets did. :tu:

[james2K]

Well the Pistons really didnt get rid of wallace they just didnt offer enough money. At least that is how I thought it happened.


that's correct... why pay a guy $15 mill to play ok defense and score 4 per game? billups gets $12... basically from what i understand, it was wallace or billups, not both... not with Ben at $15... Detroit's highest offer was $12 and he took the money chicago was throwing at him. IMO Joe D made the right choice. Detroit hasn't been missing Ben anyway, esp with Jason Maxiell coming along.

[tbakergobuck]

So J2K what do you think about the Cavs trade?


In the evening's spotlight stood Ben Wallace, the centerpiece of the trade as far as the Cavs are concerned. He started at power forward, the beginning of the Cavs' experiment to play him in what they hope will be a super-charged frontcourt between LeBron James and Zydrunas Ilgauskas.

The results on the first night were mixed. There was no questioning Wallace's energy; on the Cavs' first defensive possession he made a steal that kick-started a fast break. Later he swatted away a Memphis pass that led to an alley-oop from the Cavs' new starting point guard, Delonte West, to James.

In the fourth quarter Wallace got a standing ovation when he forced a rare five-second call after a basket when he denied the inbounds pass with the Cavs up by 17 points. He also had five dunks and tied his season high with 12 points; he found space when James and Ilgauskas were being double-teamed.

Again, that is part of the Cavs' grand plan to integrate him and make him more productive than he was with the Bulls. The idea goes that if opponents leave James (25 points, 11 assists vs. Memphis) or Ilgauskas (22 points, 13 rebounds) in one-on-one situations, then the Cavs will burn the defense. But if Wallace's man leaves him to double-team, Big Ben just might turn into a high-percentage shooting weapon.

"The crowd was great, we didn't get booed tonight, so that was a good feeling for me," Wallace said, making a reference to some unhappy days in Chicago when the fans targeted him with their frustration over a disappointing season.

This after he said earlier about his stay in Chicago: "If someone wants to throw me under the bus, that's fine. I've been there before, I know what it smells like."

"He's rejuvenated," James said after the game, though such a statement is still wildly premature.

There also were signs of the possibly tough adjustment Wallace is going to be asked to make. Spending time guarding Hakim Warrick on the perimeter instead of Kwame Brown or Darko Milicic inside, Wallace often was pulled far from the hoop. It caused him to be out of position when it came to defending the basket on help defense at times. Though he got 10 rebounds, he missed some that came his way, too, due to getting late position.

But that is nitpicking to some degree. Wallace's effort helped the Cavs dominate as that aforementioned frontline combined for 59 points and 30 rebounds.

And that doesn't count Joe Smith (14 points, six rebounds), who came off the bench and kept getting open shots off feeds from James.

Meanwhile, Anderson Varejao, sidelined a month with a sprained ankle, is due back this week to give the Cavs' frontline even more depth.

"Our interior is stronger than ever right now," James said. "Rebounding has always been our strength, but now it is even better."

Szczerbiak hit a pair of 3-pointers on his way to 10 points. West had the roughest start of the newbies, making just 2-of-12 shots, but he had six assists and three steals. Those six assists represented previous point guard Larry Hughes' season high; West showed signs he may be a better fit at point than Hughes playing out of position.

So much more data is needed, though, to determine whether this midstream makeover will indeed work for the Cavs. Yet the first night was quite a success and had many already feeling some excitement.

"That might have been the first time in a long time I got chills when I took the court," Smith said. "That's a good feeling."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-080225&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos2

[88jr]

Nice read...almost gave me goosebumps there at the end. LOL! Go Cavs!

[Artist Dave]

do you guys go on realgm?

[jimmyeat311]

where is cassell goin....he wants a buy out and go somewhere else....celts maybe???

[Artist Dave]

I heard Boston... would be nice to see him back with Ray

[jimmyeat311]

i love rando...i think he has over performed for what everyone thought and i would feel bad to see him do this well then go back up....but imagine adding that part to the line up....cassell, allen, peirce, garnett, and a bench that can come up big in any game.

[Artist Dave]

too bad you bastards already have the Patriots, Red Sox.. but I still have love for Allen and KG def deserves a ring

[jimmyeat311]

haha...pats shoulda won...grrrr...yeah but it is time for a new celts dynasty...

[Artist Dave]

soo glad the Giants won cuz that makes GB look better for losing to them :)

[jimmyeat311]

haha...im just pissed that all of all the games we lose it is to the gmen in the superbowl...why didnt we lose to them the last game of the season instead when it didnt mean a title

[Artist Dave]

didnt have film for the super bowl? haha

[jimmyeat311]

ouch....ouch

[Artist Dave]

sorry tbakergobuck for hijacking your thread

[jimmyeat311]

back to basketball and trades....ummmm....yeah....hope we get cassell!!!

[tbakergobuck]

I'll let it slide...lol Back on topic. If cassell wants to go to boston he better not do what he did last time he played there. lol

[Artist Dave]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2008/02/27/cassell_buyout_hits_snag/

[jimmyeat311]

so one way or the other we are going to have a new player by the end of the weekend...haha...

[jimmyeat311]

btw tbaker...should be a good game tonight....

[tbakergobuck]

btw tbaker...should be a good game tonight....Yea it should be. Cavs let one slip away yesterday but being on the losing end of a 37-14 free-throw disparity didn't help. :td:

[jimmyeat311]

well just have to wait and see if you guys can beat us...hopefully the celts are on a roll again...

[tbakergobuck]

It might take the Cavs a few weeks to get used to playing with the new guys.

[jimmyeat311]

former celts

[Artist Dave]

nice Bucks win last night.. man Mo was killing

[P11guy]

oh we just got 6'11 forward PJ Brown, from chi-town.

[P11guy]

oh and we beat the cavs.

[tbakergobuck]

oh we just got 6'11 forward PJ Brown, from chi-town.Don't get to excited over gramps. He's 38 and hasn't played ball this year.oh and we beat the cavs.Series between the cav and celts is 2-2 this year. Lebron didn't play in the second game which they lost. Last night Lebron was off and the sprained ankle didn't help. The celts did have a good game plan against James though.

[Artist Dave]

Boston reminds me of when the Lakers threw together a bunch of washed out bums like Payton and Malone and still lost.. :P

[Studintx]

Boston reminds me of when the Lakers threw together a bunch of washed out bums like Payton and Malone and still lost.. :P

I remember that season!:clap:

[ahfrederick]

Boston reminds me of when the Lakers threw together a bunch of washed out bums like Payton and Malone and still lost.. :P

*shakes head* worst season ever! I think the GM signed them to get people in the seats.. But that was then, and this is a NEW season, yayah! No 1 in the power rankings and we're on a roll. Best start EVER! 40-17 Overall; 9-1 for the last 10 games. Man, I hope the second half of the season is as good as the first half was. :tu:

[PokerFace23]

I haven't read anybody else's posts yet. But I promise I will when I post my thoughts first.

I think the teams that made the biggest moves - Lakers, Suns, and Mavs pretty much sold their futures for the CHANCE to win this year. Let's face it, there can only be one winner. Of the three teams, only the Lakers came out without sacrificing too much - Kwame Brown and soon to be Odom, I'll get to that in a minute.

Gasol fits perfectly in the triangle. They get a softer face the basket PF who can pull down some rebounds, effect some shots with his length and give you 20 points if need be, and makes up for some size with Bynum out. However, when Bynum comes back and he's going to get a big contract extension by next summer, Odom will be the odd man out. A 6'10" do it everything guy, who by no means should ever be the 1st or 2nd option on any team, is hard to find. He is the perfect glue guy on this Lakers team not named Derek Fisher, who I actually think has made the Lakers better by a longshot, not that Kobe character. Just ask Phoenix how much they're missing Shawn Marion right now.

Which brings me to the Suns. Do I like the trade? Yes I do. Was it the smartest move? Probably not. But it was silly to have so many players on that roster play out of position. Losing Marion hurts a lot to their perimeter defense, scrapping for loose balls, and pure hustle points. Getting Shaq was a desperate move. The Suns' window was slowly closing with Marion's inevitable exit from Phoenix this summer. Bringing in Shaq's leadership for 2 years gives Phoenix 2 years go win it all and squashes persistent questions about Marion's commitment to the team. Why they gave up Sergio Rodriguez for nothing 2 summers ago is beyond me, as he would have been the best heir to Steve Nash.

And of course there is Dallas who for sure is on a win now mode after being humiliated by the Warriors last summer by getting ran out of the playoffs. So they countered by getting one of the best running PGs. Ever. Sure, Chris Paul completely destroyed them the other night, but that's regular season games, which the Mavs have been bored of playing for the past 3 seasons. Now in the playoffs, this Mavs team can match up and play both styles - traditional half court basketball as well as Don Nelson run and gun by simply switching Dirk from the C to the PF position in case they run into Golden State again. But it's sad that Cuban essentially just built a team to beat the Warriors, who may not even make the playoffs.

And now for the real winners of the trade deadline. The young teams in Portland, Utah and New Orleans. New Orleans is good enough to start competing right now, barring injuries to the ever fragile Tyson Chandler and Peja Stojakovic. However they won't have the so called experience to really match up to the veteran tested teams. The same goes for Utah. They have a great overall team and when they're hitting their shots, they are probably the hardest team to beat in the league hands down. But they rely on a lot of easy steals which lead to fast break points and rely even more on jump shots. When they go cold and have their bad shooting nights, they are hard to watch.

Now you may call me a homer, but the Blazers are on the verge of something very special. As soon as the lineup gels and they add a legitimate PG, they will be a force to be reckoned with. If Oden can even live up to HALF of his expectations and they get it.. man oh man. Imagine Oden being backed up by Joel Pryzbilla, one of the leagues most underrated centers. He gives you pure hustle, doesn't want to score, and plays tough tough defense and backs down from nobody. Lamarcus Aldridge face up PF who can hit 20 footers backed up by Channing Frye both guys free up floor spacing with their jumpers and run the floor well for big men. Brandon Roy everybody knows already. Rudy Fernandez, last year's draft pick, who if drafted this year would be a sure top 10 pick, is easily one of Europe's best SGs is coming next year to back up Roy. The PG situation is something that needs to be addressed, however Jarrett Jack, Steve Blake and Rodriguez all bring 3 different styles. Jack is the halfcourt scoring PG, Blake is the efficient traditional pass-first PG who will end up having a career as the heady veteran PG who calms down the team, and Sergio the flashy run and gun PG. And my favorite gift to the league - Travis Outlaw. I have watched this guy blossom into a crazy legitimate scoring weapon. Just amazing on both ends of the court. Give him the ball and he will find a way to get a bucket or draw a foul.

Watch out league. The Blazers are in it for the long haul.

[PokerFace23]

heh damn you new englanders! i hope ray allen sprains his wrist in april! PJ brown signing is good. right now perkins is about to lose his starting job. he hasnt really been playing well lately, or teams have figured out with garnett out, he's not getting easy buckets anymore.

pj brown's still got some minutes left in him, and insurance policy if kg decides to rest until playoffs come.

now the question is.. where will cassell go? IIRC, teams UNDER the cap have the option of signing guys that have been recently waived first.

Now if I were a team like Detroit, Cleveland, i'd be going all out of making a hush-hush deal with some team under the cap (Memphis? Charlotte?) to sign Cassell in return for a future pick to prevent Alien from joining the Celtics.

[jimmyeat311]

cassell will end up in beantown baby...we are goin all the way!!!

[Studintx]

I think the Spurs got the best trade in reality they only lost Elson now that Barry has decided to re-sign with the Spurs!! man you can hear the Dynasty chant over the horizon !!!!

[jimmyeat311]

you do have a good team and very well could have a dynasty...but you have to admit what the celts have done this year is amazing...and if we pick up cassell as well that will just add a new dimension to the team...im hoping for good things for years to come.

[Studintx]

you do have a good team and very well could have a dynasty...but you have to admit what the celts have done this year is amazing...and if we pick up cassell as well that will just add a new dimension to the team...im hoping for good things for years to come.

Credit is given where credit is due, and the Celts have definitely had one hell of a season!:tu:

[jimmyeat311]

Credit is given where credit is due, and the Celts have definitely had one hell of a season!:tu:

thank you for being so civil...most people arent when it comes to sports..haha

[Studintx]

thank you for being so civil...most people arent when it comes to sports..haha

Yea I see all the flaming that goes on when you comment on the ESPN boards wow talk about some die hard fans I decided to just read whats written there but not post, their moderator team is very lax over there.

I am happy to see Garnett on a team that has used him to his fullest potential!

[jimmyeat311]

yeah the celts put together an amazing team top to bottom in the off season...even big baby, rando, perk, and powe are making a difference....i just hope they keep moving in the right direction

[ahfrederick]

yeah the celts put together an amazing team top to bottom in the off season...even big baby, rando, perk, and powe are making a difference....i just hope they keep moving in the right direction

The 2008 Celts reminds me of the great team of the 80's. In fact if you look at the top teams from the East and West, you should see something very common to the 80's... The greats back on top! aww yeah!

Hey, did you see the prediction on ESPN??? Based on the Hollinger's NBA Playoff Odds guess who was picked for the Finals?!?!

The Lakers vs The Celtics! :tu:

[jimmyeat311]

haha...that would be an amazing match up and i would like to see the celts beat kobe...haha

[ahfrederick]

haha...that would be an amazing match up and i would like to see the celts beat kobe...haha

Well,... it's no longer JUST Kobe. :)

It's been stated on ESPN that the Lakers have the most COMPLETE team in the NBA and is better than Boston and Detroit.

Here's the link to the video: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal

Just go to the second video: "Shaq and Suns Need To Make Adjustments Heading Into Playoffs"

[jimmyeat311]

what...are they serious...

[tbakergobuck]

I've watched Portland play and I agree there a good team and will be even better when they get Oden back.

As long as Lebron James stays in Cleveland and is healthy they will always have a shot to win a Championship. Michel Jordan didn't start winning championships until he got Pippen and Kerr. Lebron is a very special player and he's only 23 yrs old. Every year he gets a better which he's already the 2nd best player if not the first in the NBA. He's scored 25+ in 17 straight games and there's no one in the league that can guard him, heck sometimes 5 players can't guard him. Last night he had six dunks on a bum ankle granted it was against Minnesota but he gets to the rim when he wants to no matter what team he's playing. The four players the cavs got in the trade are meshing with there new teammates. I can't wait for the playoffs.

[PokerFace23]

boston has a good team and a favorable schedule playing in the east (blah blah blah everyone plays 82 games blah blah blah i know). their regular season is going to rival last year's dallas' regular season, when dallas beat everybody without even trying then couldn't snap out of that mode when playoffs came rolling around.

who knows what's going to happen come playoff time. the team is worn down already and it's just now march. cassell will be a big push as will pj brown to hold down the key players' minutes.

and being an orlando fan, i can only shudder at the thought of having doc rivers as acting coach. he's a players-coach and doesn't hold players accountable (think tracy mcgrady's wasted career in orlando).

the lakers won't win for sure. watching last night's game against portland, gasol is the softest big man in the league down the stretch, and bryant and fisher seemed to be having issues identifying who was the man down when they needed points. and i still don't know if they'll be able to incorporate bynum back into the mix if and when he returns.

the spurs are still the one to beat and they are methodically seeding themselves in the middle of the pack since nobody wants to face the warriors in the 1st round as a high seed, nor does anybody really want to play new orleans.

[tbakergobuck]

I agree the Spurs are the one to beat.

The Cavs have a favorable schedule the rest of the way other then a few games with the Pistons so they could move up to 3. The old cavs that got traded to the bulls are playing in Cleveland today. That's going to be weird for all of them.

[ndnashlen]

i still cant believe mavs traded like 6 players for kidd thats the dumbest thing ever!!!!!!!!!

[PokerFace23]

Diop, Harris, Hassell and Ager and 2 picks is 6.

Kidd, Allen, Wright that's 3

That's 3 players that were really lost. Hassell and Ager had fallen out of the rotation already in Dallas. So essentially it was Diop, Harris and 2 first round picks for Kidd. Those two picks are going to be late 20s so it's not that terrible.

[ndnashlen]

but did u see how many games the mavs have lost though i mean if they had kept nash they would have won the championships

[PokerFace23]

it's so much easier to speak in hindsight about we should have done this or we should have done that. at the time, nobody knew that nash would become so good. a lot has to do with the system that he is playing in phoenix.

in phoenix he has the freedom to do whatever he wants because it is HIS team. in dallas, as long as Dirk is playing there, it will always be his team.

if anything, dallas should be happy they traded for Dirk and spent time developing him instead of Robert "Tractor" Traylor. how's that working out for you Milwaukie?

[james2K]

all i have to say is look out for Detroit. You aren't a dynasty until you win something :tu:

[P11guy]

ha ha ha. I know dynasty.

[ahfrederick]

all i have to say is look out for Detroit. You aren't a dynasty until you win something :tu:

or two or three? If you win once, it's a fluke, if you win two well then you're doing something, but if you win that third.. now now now, you're a dynasty. And there are only 7 teams in NBA history that have won 3 or more NBA championships:

- Pistons, Warriors and 76ers have all won 3; and all three teams have swept atleast (1) championship.
- The San Antonio Spurs are a perfect 4 of 4 (with a 16:6 finals record); Winning in 2007 to sweep the Cavs.
- The Chicago Bulls are a perfect 6 of 6 (in 8 years with a 20:11 finals record) and have won two three-peats (1991-1993 and 1996-1998) All with head coach Phil Jackson and players Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen
- The Los Angeles Lakers went to the most championships (28), but are only .500 with a 14-14 record; 5-1 as Minneapolis Lakers, Three-peats as Minneapolis Lakers from 1954-1956 and LA Lakers from 2000-2002 (Where in 2002 They swept the NJ Nets).
- The Boston Celtics (By far the most domininant in NBA history) have been to the second most championships (19) but have an amazing 16-3 Finals record.

*NOTE* From 1957-1969 the Celtics went to the finals 12 times in 13 years and were victorious in 11 tries, including 8 years in a row.*

Now being a Laker fan, I am proud of the history of the franchise. But as a fan of the NBA, I am amazed at the very rich history of the NBA and the NBA Finals! :tu:
You should check out the history of the NBA Finals, it's an amazing read!
Here's the URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Finals

[P11guy]

OH TRADE NEWS!
Celtics have signed Sam Cassell
as always terms of the deal were not disclosed.

[PokerFace23]

and the rich get richer! ****ing celtics. i hope kevin garnet chokes on a leprechaun's pubic hairs

[james2K]

Not saying the pistons are a dynasty or anything, the last two playoff exits have been pretty embarassing.... But they have to have the longest current run of conference finals appearances.

Not taking anything away from the current celtics and lakers, but they plainly have not proven anything yet. Their histories are rich and fascinating no doubt, but what have their current teams done?

If these pistons as a core are going to win another championship, this year or next is their most immediate chance. I won't give rasheed 2 more seasons, although I do hope he plays longer. This man is their true leader and is incredibly dominant when he wants to be. Something I don't agree with or will defend... But is amazing to see happening when it does. I don't think anybody realizes how deep the pistons are compared to past years.

All and all. I believe there is a very special team in detroit, which flies under the radar, and is not truly understood by anybody but their fans.

[tbakergobuck]

The pistons are deep but so are the cavs once a few players come back. Rasheed is a geat player when things go his way but is a hot head when things don't go his way. This new cavs team might not look that great now but they'll rise up for the playoffs.

[jimmyeat311]

and the rich get richer! ****ing celtics. i hope kevin garnet chokes on a leprechaun's pubic hairs

that is just down right mean!

[ahfrederick]

"Not saying the pistons are a dynasty or anything, the last two playoff exits have been pretty embarassing.... But they have to have the longest current run of conference finals appearances."

- What I had mentioned in my last post was just the history of the NBA FINALS. Nothing more, nothing less. I give you that the Pistons have been a VERY solid and consistant team. But having the longest current run of conference finals appearances really doesn't mean anything when you can not win the NBA Championship. I mean think about it, same thing goes for all sports in general, and with the fresh memory of the NFL season, with the Patriots having the "Perfect" season, NOT winning the Superbowl... Need I say more?

Not taking anything away from the current celtics and lakers, but they plainly have not proven anything yet. Their histories are rich and fascinating no doubt, but what have their current teams done?

- How recent would you like? hmm *thinks* oh yeah, how about the Lakers winning the ONLY three-peat in the 2000's??? There is only ONE other team that can win the other three-peat this decade and that's the Spurs, which they can. Remember, between 1999 - 2007; 7 out of the 9 NBA Championship have been won by the WEST, being won by either the Lakers (3; 2000-2002) or the Spurs (4; 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007).

If these pistons as a core are going to win another championship, this year or next is their most immediate chance. I won't give rasheed 2 more seasons, although I do hope he plays longer. This man is their true leader and is incredibly dominant when he wants to be. Something I don't agree with or will defend... But is amazing to see happening when it does. I don't think anybody realizes how deep the pistons are compared to past years.

- Again, I have the up-most respect for the consistancy and fluidity of the pistons of today, but ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?! You being a "true" Pisions fan would actually compare todays Pistons to yester-year? That's like me comparing the lakers of today to the lakers of the past or a celtics fan attempting to do the same. It's just not right! Those were a different time in the NBA. Back then it was all about the game and proving that you're the best. Today... *sighs* it's a business and all the players want to do is get "paid". Just like in all of sports. But that's a different discussion for another time. :(

All and all. I believe there is a very special team in detroit, which flies under the radar, and is not truly understood by anybody but their fans.

- True, I guess as with any team. But I can say this: I've always been a fan of the NBA, PERIOD! And I know that my team will win some and lose some, it's just a part of the game. Just being a fan and supporting your team,.. well I think that's all that is needed! :tu:

[ahfrederick]

and the rich get richer! ****ing celtics. i hope kevin garnet chokes on a leprechaun's pubic hairs

LMAO! :haha:

[ahfrederick]

The pistons are deep but so are the cavs once a few players come back. Rasheed is a geat player when things go his way but is a hot head when things don't go his way. This new cavs team might not look that great now but they'll rise up for the playoffs.

I do agree! And I'm happy for LeBron! He can now play his game with out the weight on the world on his back. :tu:

[jimmyeat311]

i do agree that the piston have had a good but bittersweet run as of late...and i agree the new celts havent done anything yet...but to go back to what i ment was...if the celts keep this team together they have a chance to start a new dynasty...im really just hoping

[ahfrederick]

i do agree that the piston have had a good but bittersweet run as of late...and i agree the new celts havent done anything yet...but to go back to what i ment was...if the celts keep this team together they have a chance to start a new dynasty...im really just hoping

Hey I totally agree! Look pretty much most of the teams of yester-year are NOW coming back after years of "flying" under the radar. I know how you feel man, it's frustrating. But just knowing that those days where the rivalries will make it's return, and the teams who really defined the NBA will win championships again! :tu:

[jimmyeat311]

Hey I totally agree! Look pretty much most of the teams of yester-year are NOW coming back after years of "flying" under the radar. I know how you feel man, it's frustrating. But just knowing that those days where the rivalries will make it's return, and the teams who really defined the NBA will win championships again! :tu:

agreed...also just so we all know...yes bball is a business for most...but there are some that still play the game for the passion of it all..(kg)

[ahfrederick]

agreed...also just so we all know...yes bball is a business for most...but there are some that still play the game for the passion of it all..(kg)

Well,.. I guess that's true.. to a certain point. TRUST ME when I say this: Try to take away his sponsorships and ask him to take a 50% paycut and you tell me what he would say... :lol:

[jimmyeat311]

i understand...but i do believe that a lot of players yes want to get paid...but also when they are on teh court...it is time to let their passion out...and i dont know many players as passionate as him...he is the key ingrediant in the celts team...with out his excitement...they would be a decent team with with an average record...not one of the best teams in the nba

[ahfrederick]

i understand...but i do believe that a lot of players yes want to get paid...but also when they are on teh court...it is time to let their passion out...and i dont know many players as passionate as him...he is the key ingrediant in the celts team...with out his excitement...they would be a decent team with with an average record...not one of the best teams in the nba

Again, I agree. But the only point I was trying to make is the fact that professional players (in all sports) are the same way in this point: they are all getting paid to do what they love to do right? But basically their jobs are simple, to ENTERTAIN you and I. PERIOD! Same goes for Singers and Actors. I mean seriously, other than the entertainment industry (sports included) do you find the "lesser known" people making six figures?!?! I mean hell, I would LOVE to make WELL over $100,000 doing my job, but I DON'T. And my job is VERY important to the company's well being. I may not get the "Kwan" that I believe that I deserve, but I still do my job, grinding it out day in day out. I mean can you imagine just sitting on the bench (and NOT play a game) and still make $400,000/season? From what I was told, the PRACTICE squad for the Washington Redskins gets paid atleast $250,000; and they don't even set foot on the sideline, let alone the football field. And if you're asking how I know that, I was told by a friend who IS trying out for the team. So essentially you're getting paid to be a "tackle dummy".

Food for thought.

[jimmyeat311]

Again, I agree. But the only point I was trying to make is the fact that professional players (in all sports) are the same way in this point: they are all getting paid to do what they love to do right? But basically their jobs are simple, to ENTERTAIN you and I. PERIOD! Same goes for Singers and Actors. I mean seriously, other than the entertainment industry (sports included) do you find the "lesser known" people making six figures?!?! I mean hell, I would LOVE to make WELL over $100,000 doing my job, but I DON'T. And my job is VERY important to the company's well being. I may not get the "Kwan" that I believe that I deserve, but I still do my job, grinding it out day in day out. I mean can you imagine just sitting on the bench (and NOT play a game) and still make $400,000/season? From what I was told, the PRACTICE squad for the Washington Redskins gets paid atleast $250,000; and they don't even set foot on the sideline, let alone the football field. And if you're asking how I know that, I was told by a friend who IS trying out for the team. So essentially you're getting paid to be a "tackle dummy".

Food for thought.

point taken!

[P11guy]

agreed...also just so we all know...yes bball is a business for most...but there are some that still play the game for the passion of it all..(kg)

Basketball is one of his passions trust me, He'd do it for free it thats how life treated him. But its not, its not his fault he because one of the Biggest Names In basketball.


Well,.. I guess that's true.. to a certain point. TRUST ME when I say this: Try to take away his sponsorships and ask him to take a 50% paycut and you tell me what he would say... :lol:

Well of course he'd be pissed. Anyone who know's KG, knows the only thing he loves more than basketball is his family. And only reason he went pro outta highschool was because he was living alone with his sister in chicago, because his mom went back down south to take care of a family member that was sick. KG saw a away to solve all there problems by going pro.
Now that hes paid if you took away his money you'd be messing with his family.
And You dont wanna do that now, do you?

[PokerFace23]

Basketball is one of his passions trust me, He'd do it for free it thats how life treated him. But its not, its not his fault he because one of the Biggest Names In basketball.

i dont believe that one bit. who's fault really was it that minnesota failed? kevin garnett for accepting that $120 million dollar contract or kevin mchale for not being able to convince other free agents to play in cold Minneapolis for the veteran's minimum because KG took all the cap flexibility? Shaq took a lot of heat for accepting a big contract. then when he resigned with miami, he could have demanded the maximum, but he didn't. yes, he still got a big fatty contract for $20M a year, however he took a paycut; he was smart and KNEW that if he were to sign for the max miami would have been f'ed in the a even more than they are now.

With KGs enormous contract in Minnesota they only player they were effectively able to keep was Wally Sexyback, who KG ended up running out of town anyways. Just like he did to Marbury.



Well of course he'd be pissed. Anyone who know's KG, knows the only thing he loves more than basketball is his family. And only reason he went pro outta highschool was because he was living alone with his sister in chicago, because his mom went back down south to take care of a family member that was sick. KG saw a away to solve all there problems by going pro.
Now that hes paid if you took away his money you'd be messing with his family.
And You dont wanna do that now, do you?

this is a bad example. the man has gotten paid. messing with his family? how are you defending him but then probably laugh at latrell sprewell for the exact same thing? KG has been well paid. from the NBA alone, he's gotten his rookie contract, plus his $126M, plus his $60M he currently signed. That's damn near $200 million.

then you have to figure in his endorsements from Gatorade, Adidas, And-1, Nike, Upper Deck, for at least $8M a year. He makes $30M PER YEAR. how can you sit there and defend someone who's making $30M a year? give me $30 million and my family would be set. but over the course of 15-20 years? the **** outta here.

[P11guy]

obviously someone is mad KG didnt go to his team.....

[P11guy]

then you have to figure in his endorsements from Gatorade, Adidas, And-1, Nike, Upper Deck, for at least $8M a year. He makes $30M PER YEAR. how can you sit there and defend someone who's making $30M a year? give me $30 million and my family would be set. but over the course of 15-20 years? the **** outta here.


I just wanna point out the fact that KG has a deal with Addias. Not and-1 or nike. But I understand where your coming from.

You cant deny that KG is passionate about basketball. And you Dont know how much Celtics do for they're comunity. Including Donate Tons of money.
For example Tony Allen took a group of kids shoping at dicks sporting goods, all the kids where given gift cards from dicks. When the kids relized they didnt have enought for some of the things they wanted, Tony Pulled cash out his pocket. See im saying Yeah they make millions of dollars But they're not all whiping there asses with it.

Celtics, They give back to the comunity because they love us as much as we love them.

Now back on topic to NBA trades.

Sam Cassell aka #28 is gonna make a good addition to the team, and saying he wont mind playing backup for rondo, is the ultimate way to sorry about that karate chop i gave ya.

[jimmyeat311]

i think everyone has points there...the passion is there in just about every player...some for money, some fame, some the game, some all of the above....what ever drives a player to be great still makes the player great...yet it is still a business...they didnt make the rules that athletes get paid mint money...but they will deff take it...wouldnt you...so i put it to you as this...
it is what it is....money, ball, fame, glory= passion

back to the trades as stunna so nicely put it...cassell is a true vet that will help the core of this team not only rest but give them a little more of a level headed player as well...he goes out there and plays and may not show his emotions as much as most of the celts which will give them a great balance.

[ahfrederick]

Wow, I just noticed that for a team who has the WORST record in the NBA, the Miami Heat has a REALLY HIGH payroll. $73,431,297 (Total for 2007/08). And a sad thing to add is the fact that the player who had SOOO much potential during his rookie year; Anfernee Hardaway (Penny) never really amounted to anything in the NBA. And just to be on the roster, he's still getting paid: $284.571.

[PokerFace23]

I just wanna point out the fact that KG has a deal with Addias. Not and-1 or nike. But I understand where your coming from.


KG's been a shoe endorser whore. he's been with everybody. from nike to and-1 to adidas. that's what i meant getting his money yearly from all his endorsements.

obviously someone is mad KG didnt go to his team.....

actually not really. we have dwight howard. (and to a certain extent, my hometown team has oden).

what im trying to say is that kg isn't an angel that the media is makes him out to be. he has flaws too.

how about that smush parker eh? piss off pat riley and this is what happens. you get screeewwwed over in the end. i'm glad riley is making an example out of parker. bet the players union wont be happy.