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Crew_Chief
07-02-2007, 01:36 AM
I would like to start out by saying sorry to everyone; I know I’m going to a lot of hatred for posting a review for a Cingular iPhone on Sprintusers, but I’d like to explain why I’m doing this, and try to discourage anyone who currently has Sprint from making the same mistake I did. Plus, I know you want to know how the iPhone seriously holds up against the competition, and against Sprint.

I will be comparing the first generation iPhone with the first generation Treo 755p, and against my Sanyo-9000.

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I don’t quite recall when the iPhone marketing campaign was first launched, but if you have walked into a public place within the last 6 months, you’ve heard the iPhone’s name. Last week you heard the advertisements everywhere, I don’t even watch TV (hell, I don’t even have cable) but I saw pictures of it everywhere. This is easily the single most marketed and wanted phone since Bell released theirs over 100 years ago.

That being the case, and the fact that I’m a millionaire that likes toys, I had to get one. I bought this on Saturday June 30th, at a local Cingular store inside a mall. There were 4 other people buying this exact same phone at the same time I was there that day. I actually stopped into a 3rd party store first, only to be told that corporate Cingular stores and Apples stores carry this device exclusively. When I told the young man behind the counter that I wanted an iPhone, and that I was a new customer to Cingular, he didn’t seem too pleased. I figured this would be the best day for a cell phone sales person, literally millions of people want to sign up for service as soon as possible, I figured his commission check would be triple that month.

Immediately he hands me a small sheet labeled, “Important things to know about activating an iPhone” Included on this list were several things I found interesting:

“We do not activate you phone, it must be activated through iTunes”
“There is a 10% restock fee if the package is opened”
“This phone is not covered by any sort of additional insurance, besides the limited warranty provided by Apple at Apple Stores, in order to replace your phone you may be required to mail your phone to a service center and be without your phone temporarily.”
“You must activate the phone and sign up for a two-year service agreement with Cingular to use this device.”

Wow, that’s a lot, and that wasn’t all, there were other very interesting bulletins on this laundry list of reasons not to buy this phone, but that’s all I’m going to list. Let’s just quickly review for those of you who didn’t completely comprehend everything listed above: it’s going to cost you 50 or 65 dollars just to open the plastic and turn the phone on, it then requires a 36 dollar activation fee to activate it, which is not refunded by Cingular even if you return the device. This means you pay 86 dollars just to handle an iPhone in your hands. Also, if it breaks, or you lose it, or damage it, you must buy a new phone at the price tag of 499 or 649.

That being said, I bought one. Now I understand why the sales person wasn’t too happy, he probably makes little to no commission on a phone he doesn’t activate, I’m sure the guys at the Apple Stores are loving it though, I bet they get paid on gross sales, not on contracts. The salesmen basically just ran my credit to see if there would be a deposit (which can be up to 600 dollars with Cingular), and then ran my credit card to give me the phone.

“Fantastic!” I thought, I now have an iPhone.

When I got back to my office, I tore open the packaging and opened it immediately. The presentation inside the boxes lets you know that you just paid 499 for this product, and that it’s going to rock your world. I turned it on and the screen was beautifully vibrant, and the phone said to me, “You need to activate your phone with iTunes.” I should mention right here that I’m a WMP sort of person, not an iTunes person, although I’ll blow 86 dollars on a phone I’m going to return, I’m not going to pay for music downloads. So I install iTunes and fumble around with it, until it launches the activation screens. I have to say that it didn’t take very long to activate, maybe 20 minutes, but internet is very much required to activate it, and also a computer that supports iTunes along with a credit card.

It’s a beautiful, naked, and fun to touch, just like how I like my ladies; I had the feeling that me and this device would get along.

I currently have one of the sweetest Sprint phones out right now, the Palm Treo 755p, and I heard that the iPhone can do everything that the Treo does, plus more. Now is the time to find that out. So, let’s review how this phone actually works:

The touch screen its self works very well, but it only works when you touch it with your skin, I couldn’t get it work wearing gloves, nor did my Treo Stylus work either. You have to touch it with your finger or toes or tongue, whatever works best for you. I’m okay with the finger only touch screen, unlike the Treo, the iPhone features a huge screen, and the buttons on the main page are certainly large enough to tap easily. Right away I saw a problem compared to the Treo, even though I can navigate most things on my Treo with the touch screen, the button movements are so much more responsive that I prefer them. But the iPhone was designed to not have buttons, so the response time is good, but not nearly as good as a Treo.

Now that I actually can use it, I wanted to play with the software next of course. There’s only 16 things this phone actually does, and that’s all it does; text, calendar, photos, camera, YouTube, stocks, maps, Weather, clock, calculator, notes, settings, email, iPod, Safari (web browser), and the phone it’s self. I started navigating through each program, played with a bit, and then tried another one. There are no games or 3rd party applications at all for the iPhone, or at least that have been released.

Navigation through and between programs is fluid and easy, the iPhone’s hardware is extremely impressive in that light. There’s almost no load time what-so-ever with programs. On the Treo, there is a bit of a wait time, but none so excessive that I actual pause and think to myself, “What is my phone doing?” I don’t think the iPhone’s software would crash very often (I haven’t experienced a crash or rest yet), I think the platform it’s biased off of is stable enough to support all the preloaded stuff that came along; this is opposite of the Palm OS, which barely can run its self without crashing.

My most important feature I use every day is my Navigation systems. Right now I carry around two phones, my Sanyo 9000, and my Treo 755; I carry around the Sanyo 9000 because I need the GPS so very badly every day, and Telenav is my solution. I was happy to hear that the iPhone comes with a navigation system, and it was the first program I tested out. When it loaded it looked exactly like the program I use on my Treo, GoogleMaps. Infact, it is the same program I use on my Treo! It looks exactly the same and works exactly the same. This phone has no Navigation on it what so ever!!! Nor can you buy a 150 dollar Bluetooth receiver to install navigation! Sure, you can get driving directions from it, but you can do that from any POS phone with internet access. Hell, Sprint’s Directory Assistance can actually locate where you’re at from your phone and give you driving directions better then the iPhone can! Disappointing.

Next I had to try out internet browsing. I knew that almost anything can beat the Treo’s Blazer, I’d bet that a monkey with chalk drawing me websites would be Blazer, so how will the iPhone’s web browser work? Very well actually. Safari is a decent browser in and around its self on Mac’n’trash and converts easily to a mobile phone. I tapped the URL address and the on-screen keyboard came up (which I’ll talk more about later), after I fumbled for way too long just trying to type google.com, it finally worked and I was presented with a very nice layout. I then did a Google search for Myspace (which again took way too long to type) and way presented what I believed to be an extremely small version of the Myspace. You see, when Safari on the iPhone loads a webpage, it shows you the whole page, it zooms you out to see everything. You then need to double tap to zoom in to see text or click a link. This is a pain in the butt on a page like Myspace, where no matter where you click it’s a link. I must have tapped “stop” 5 times before I got to the login field like I wanted. Again, the onscreen keyboard, which was now a nuisance. A cool thing about Safari is that when you rotate the phone, the whole program rotates too (as you’ll see in the video), so you can get the best possible view you want. I have to say that the iPhone probably does have the single best internet browsing I’ve ever used on a device of this size, apart from the tap-to-zoom and the keyboard, it’s exactly what I was looking for. Again, browsing on this thing is great. Web pages even load quicker on the iPhone then they do on my Treo, because on the iPhone it shows as much as it possibly can while loading, where as my Treo waits until it’s nearly done downloading before it shows you anything.

Crew_Chief
07-02-2007, 01:37 AM
Next was the other feature that was well advertised and I was interested to see, YouTube. YouTube loads videos fairly quickly, quickly enough I suppose, but the YouTube that comes on the phone is not the same YouTube you can access on your computer right now. I mean, of course the first thing I did when I got on YouTube on the iPhone was look for inappropriate videos, which I still have been yet to find. For example, if I do an actual youtube.com search for “big t!ts” (spelled correctly) I get tons of hits, and if I search around long enough, I’ll find some really big ones. However, if I do it on my phone, it’s all very politically correct results. How does this even happen? Are there interns at Apple or maybe Google (who own Youtube.com) searching around and flagging stuff they find appropriate for the iPhone? So I gave up on the P’zorn and tried finding something entertaining, I searched for my friend’s video he just recently posted and I couldn’t find it. So I went to Safari, typed in youtube.com, and searched for it. I found it, I clicked on the link and it started the YouTube application on the phone and then suddenly said it couldn’t play the clip. In fact, I couldn’t play any pirated videos or videos that have inappropriate content. This is pretty lame since this is the primary source of entertainment on this phone apart from the actual mp3 player. I’d much rather have Sprint TV then this, even though Sprint TV doesn’t have nudity (unless you watch The Fashion Channel really closely) it’s still got The Discovery Channel and The History Channel, plus whole movies you can rent and download to the phone. YouTube sucks on the iPhone.

Another useful and bragged about feature on the iPhone is the email abilities. Now, when I initially tried to set up my yahoo email I kept running into problems. That was very frustrating but today I’ve got it up and running. It’s very important to note that this phone only supports Pop3 clients, and only supports one email account – so the Treo has it beat right there. Other than those two flaws, email on Yahoo loads quickly and works VERY well. It loads the whole message the way it’s supposed to be viewed, unlike the Treo which only loads a part of the message (but in fairness, you can load more if you set it to). Both phones also feature the ability to download attachments, but the iPhone is limited to common file types. To test them out I opened a PDF file on both phones, the iPhone beat the Treo in how quickly it opened the file and how it looked on the screen, but the Treo made it easier to zoom in read all that fine print. So if you’re using the iPhone for simply your Gmail, Hotmail, or Yahoo! email, you’ll be fine with the iPhone, it’s just the professionals like myself who depend upon Microsoft Exchange Server who will run into problems. But then again, if you just want Gmail, Hotmail, or Yahoo, I can get you that on any recent vision enabled Sprint phone.

The last thing to talk about on the phone is the iPod application. On the iPhone the mp3 player works basically the same way a Video iPod does, just with a touch screen. The funny thing is that my Treo comes preloaded with pTunes, which is basically a knocked down version of iTunes, you can actually upgrade to a more complete version of iTunes on the Treo for a fee. Sure, it’s not as convenient to use as the iPod, no mp3 player really is, but both applications perform their job completely. Both phones also support video, I think the only deciding factor in video is the file formats each supports, which is also their downfall. Each phone is way too picky about video. Of course, mp3’s are mp3’s, they all sound good coming through headphones (and the iPhone comes preloaded with those nice iPod ones), but the speaker phone is a real test. I have to say that speaker phone for music on the iPhone is junk. I played “Closer” by Nine Inch Nails on both phones with the speaker and the iPhone’s speaker couldn’t handle the bass what so ever, meanwhile the Treo played the song louder and more clear. The Treo certainly won the speakerphone competition.

And that’s really all the software I need to review, everything else on the iPhone is pretty standard, the clock is useless since the time is displayed in every program. Both phones feature a scheduler, but inputting data in to iPhone on the fly (like appointments) is a pain to do; the Treo is clearly better and more defined then the iPhone in that category. The weather application and the Stocks application are just like on the Treo’s On Demand feature, except On Demand features a lot more.

Sadly, that’s all the software the iPhone supports. You could write a book about the software capabilities of a Treo, it can do anything you’d want it to do.

The touch screen keypad is probably one of my largest issues with this device. Sure, it supposedly knows what word you’re looking to say and helps you type that way, but no T9 knock off quite works that way. The keypad is fine if you’re typing a sentence for a text message, but try to Google search a name or type a bands name in on YouTube, it’s a ******* annoying piece of **** **** that I just want to ****** smash against the ******* ground. **** I hate the keyboard, this alone is enough for me to return it. The Treo so has the iPhone beat for keyboard abilities.

The last thing to actually review is how each phone functions as a phone. Surprise, surprise, they both do about similar, it’s obvious neither company invested loads of money into noise canceling microphones or super good antennas like Samsung, Sanyo, and Motorola do for many of their phones. Again, the Treo has the iPhone beat for speakerphone, but I believe the iPhone is probably compatible with more Bluetooth headsets.

I want to wrap up this review with again some of the major points of both phones, plus some additional things I’ve noticed:
-Internet is certainly better on the iPhone
-Larger screen on the iPhone
-More memory available on the 6 GB iPhone then on a Treo 755 with a single memory card.
-No expandable memory on the iPhone (which I don’t understand….)
-Keypad is terrible on the iPhone, works fine on the Treo
-Every bit of software on the iPhone has an equivalent on the Treo, but not vice versa.
-You can only support one pop3 email client on the iPhone, where as the Treo does almost any email account, and supports multiple ones.
-You cannot highlight, copy-and-paste text as you can on a Treo
-The iPhone’s form factor is unmatched, it’s super thin when compared to any phone, even the Samsung M610. The Palm is pretty standard for a PDA, much larger than a flip phone.
-No Insurance on the iPhone means you have to baby it
-The iPhone only supports YouTube videos, no Dailymotion or other streaming video websites.
-No entertainment on the phone besides the iTunes if you can’t use data.
-EVDO is much faster than EDGE when streaming video or using GoogleMaps.

My final word is that I’m going to stick with my Treo, because it does everything the iPhone does except a lot easier, except for web-browsing. It also has half the price, and it’s covered by my Sprint Insurance.

Enjoy this video, it was taken by my Treo (something the iPhone doesn’t have, video recorder….)

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v648/the_pathogen/?action=view&current=Video_070107_001.flv

Matt
07-02-2007, 02:03 AM
"I know I’m going to a lot of hatred for posting a review for a Cingular iPhone on Sprintusers"

heh You'd better not. ;)

dfwtxpatrick
07-04-2007, 05:08 PM
Very Nice Review.

Without even touching the Iphone, I was sure the 755p would kick it's butt.

After all the reviews of no 3rd party software, minimal programs already preloaded, and the fact that the screen is made out of glass cemented in my mind that ANY of the Treo's would be much better to have than the Iphone.

Anyway, that is my opinion and I certainly made one without touching the Iphone, but I felt I didn't need to. I'm sure there are others who feel the same way.

 
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