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josh33_unc
04-10-2007, 10:52 AM
its all over espn and espn2, the rutgers press conference



Radio host Don Imus suspended for two weeks for calling the Rutgers female basketball players "nappy-headed hos," called the punishment appropriate Tuesday but stressed, "I am not a racist." Members of the Rutgers team and coach C. Vivian Stringer will discuss Imus' comments at an 11 a.m. ET news conference Tuesday (live on "Cold Pizza" and ESPNews).



NEW YORK -- Radio host Don Imus, suspended for two weeks for calling the Rutgers female basketball players "nappy-headed hos," called the punishment appropriate Tuesday but stressed, "I am not a racist."



"What I did was make a stupid, idiotic mistake in a comedy context," Imus said on his show Tuesday morning, the final week before his suspension starts.



Asked by NBC "Today" host Matt Lauer if he could clean up his act as he promised on Monday, he said, "Well, perhaps I can't." But he added, "I have a history of keeping my word."



The radio host tried to shift some of the focus from himself, saying, "that phrase originated in the black community. ... I may be a white man, but I know that these young women and young black women all through that society are demeaned and degraded by their own black men and that they are called that name."



Imus said his staff had been trying to set up a meeting with the Rutgers players to apologize, but he said he didn't expect forgiveness. Of the two-week suspension by MSNBC and CBS Radio, he said: "I think it's appropriate, and I am going to try to serve it with some dignity."



Members of the Rutgers team and coach C. Vivian Stringer planned to speak publicly about the comments later Tuesday.



The Rev. Al Sharpton also appeared on "Today" and called the suspension "not nearly enough. I think it is too little, too late." He said presidential candidates and other politicians should refrain from going on Imus' show in the future.



Imus, who appeared on Sharpton's syndicated radio program for two hours Monday, accused the minister of lacking courage for refusing an invitation to appear on "Imus in the Morning." Sharpton said he couldn't tell people not to watch the show and then appear on it. "It's not about courage," he said.



MSNBC, which telecasts the radio show, said Imus' expressions of regret and embarrassment, coupled with his stated dedication to changing the show's discourse, made it believe suspension was the appropriate response.



"Our future relationship with Imus is contingent on his ability to live up to his word," the network said late Monday.



Imus, who has made a career of cranky insults in the morning, was fighting for his job following the joke that by his own admission went "way too far." He continued through the day Monday, both on his show and on a syndicated radio program hosted by the Rev. Al Sharpton, who is among several black leaders demanding his ouster.



The Rev. Jesse Jackson, who marched with about 50 protesters Monday outside NBC offices in Chicago, said Imus' suspensions will not halt the protests.



"This is a two-week cooling off period," Jackson said. "It does not challenge the character of the show, its political impact, or the impact that these comments have had on our society."



Imus could be in real danger if the outcry causes advertisers to shy away from him, said Tom Taylor, editor of the trade publication Inside Radio. The National Organization for Women is also seeking Imus' ouster.



Imus isn't the most popular radio talk-show host -- the trade publication Talkers ranks him the 14th most influential -- but his audience is heavy on the political and media elite that advertisers pay a premium to reach. Authors, journalists and politicians are frequent guests and targets for insults.




He has urged critics to recognize that his show is a comedy that spreads insults broadly. Imus or his cast have called Colin Powell a "weasel," New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson a "fat sissy" and referred to Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell of Colorado, an American Indian, as "the guy from 'F Troop."' He and his colleagues also called the New York Knicks a group of "chest-thumping pimps."



On Sharpton's program, Imus said that "our agenda is to be funny and sometimes we go too far. And this time we went way too far."



He started the firestorm a day after the Rutgers team, which includes eight black women, lost the NCAA women's championship game to Tennessee. He was speaking with producer Bernard McGuirk and said "that's some rough girls from Rutgers. Man, they got tattoos ..."



"Some hardcore hos," McGuirk said.



"That's some nappy-headed hos there, I'm going to tell you that," Imus said.



The Rutgers comment struck a chord, in part, because it was aimed at a group of young women at the pinnacle of athletic success. It also came in a different public atmosphere following the Michael Richards and Mel Gibson incidents, said Eric Deggans, columnist for the St. Petersburg Times and chairman of the media monitoring committee of the National Association of Black Journalists. The NABJ's governing board, which doesn't include Deggans, wants Imus canned.



"This may be the first time where he's done something like this in the YouTube era," Deggans said. Viewers can quickly see clips of Imus' remarks, not allowing him to redefine their context, he said.



On his show Monday, Imus called himself "a good person" who made a bad mistake.



"Here's what I've learned: that you can't make fun of everybody, because some people don't deserve it," he said. "And because the climate on this program has been what it's been for 30 years doesn't mean that it has to be that way for the next five years or whatever because that has to change, and I understand that."



New Jersey Gov. Jon S. Corzine spoke to Rutgers players Monday and said later that he strongly condemned Imus' words. Only the Rutgers players can decide to accept his apology, Corzine said.



Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain, whose presidential candidacy has been backed by Imus on the air, said he would still appear on Imus' program.



"He has apologized," McCain said. "He said that he is deeply sorry. I'm a great believer in redemption. Whether he needs to do more in order to satisfy the concerns of people like the members of that team, that's something that's between him and them. But I have made many mistakes in my life ... and I have apologized, and most people have accepted that apology."



Baseball star Cal Ripken Jr., who was to appear on Imus' show later this week to promote a book, has canceled his appearance, according to the Washington Times.


The "Today" show's Al Roker said Tuesday on his show's official blog that it was time for Imus to go. "I, for one, am really tired of the diatribes, the 'humor' at others' expense, the cruelty that passes for 'funny,'" Roker said.



Imus' radio show originates from WFAN in New York City and is syndicated nationally by Westwood One, both of which are managed by CBS. The show reached an estimated 361,000 viewers on MSNBC in the first three months of the year, up 39 percent from last year. That's the best competitive position it has ever achieved against CNN (372,000 viewers).



Imus' fate could ultimately rest with two of the nation's most prominent media executives: CBS Corp. chief Leslie Moonves and Jeff Zucker, head of NBC Universal.



"He will survive it if he stops apologizing so much," said Michael Harrison, publisher of Talkers. Imus clearly seems under corporate pressure to make amends, but he's nearly reached the point where he is alienating the fans who appreciate his grumpy outrageousness.



Even if he were to be fired, he's likely to land elsewhere in radio, Harrison said.



Imus was mostly contrite in his appearance with Sharpton, although the activist did not change his opinion that Imus should lose his job. At one point Imus seemed incredulous at Sharpton's suggestion that he might walk away from the incident unscathed.



"Unscathed?" Imus said. "How do you think I'm unscathed by this? Don't you think I'm humiliated?"

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/news/story?id=2831636


more links
http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/06/people_hot_water/main2657497.shtml
http://www.daylife.com/topic/Don_Imus
http://virginia-football.aolsportsblog.com/2007/04/07/don-imus-rutgers-controversy-not-going-away/
http://nfl.aolsportsblog.com/2007/04/06/don-imus-calls-rutgers-womens-team-nappy-headed-hos/
http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/20070406_Tattle___Don_Imus_rips_Rutgers_women_hoop sters.html
http://www.wnbc.com/news/11537229/detail.html?dl=mainclick

mababer
04-10-2007, 11:01 AM
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NO he shouldnt be fired. Nor should he have gotten the 2 week suspension.

josh33_unc
04-10-2007, 11:16 AM
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NO he shouldnt be fired. Nor should he have gotten the 2 week suspension.

It was a blatant racist remark. If he's not fired how can white people in America claim that they consider black people their equals and that black people receive a fair shake in the world today? We have free speech, but part of that freedom is the consequences of what we might say.

Both Imus and Bernard McGurk have been making racist statements for years. I doubt that it's an act, but most listeners take it that way. I think that this time WFAN leaned on Imus to make the apology. The people who listen to Imus's radio show indicates that most of his listeners are white males 35 to 55. Chances are most of them would agree with his view of the Rutgers Woman's BB team. But these people also represent the a major part of business owners and family men in this country.

josh33_unc
04-10-2007, 11:26 AM
original comment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyKB63oPeGw

apology:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaGnu0l8shs

heavyd
04-10-2007, 01:44 PM
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Has Reverend Al ever even apologized for the Tawana Brawley episode ? Lost his job ? Has Reverend Jesse ever apologized or lost his job for the Hymee Town episode ? Imus was wrong, but be consistent.

JSMZ
04-10-2007, 02:04 PM
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I know plenty of knappy headed hos that are white. that isnt really a black / white / racest comment. no he should not be fired.

reemusk
04-10-2007, 02:28 PM
how many soldiers were killed in iraq today?

this is the problem with our country....we're too busy focusing on what a rich white radio man says about a college basketball team....lets focus that people are dying for no reason on the other side of the world.




just my 0.02 cents. I know this is the BBall forum.

Matt
04-10-2007, 02:31 PM
You can't say anything anymore without offending someone, and reemusk is right. Other things to focus on.


Murder rates
Education
Health Care
Homeless
Starvation
etc
etc
etc

Black Ice
04-10-2007, 02:59 PM
With the way the race card is played in this day and time, im not surprised he got all this attention, thats his opinion of what he was looking at.he can say he sorry all he wants but that dosen't change his view, he is not the only person to feel this way, racist views are here, and are going to be here.... lets focus on the other issues our country is facing today.....

kulnet
04-10-2007, 03:13 PM
Hell no he shouldn't be fired and quite honestly, I'm tired of having to walk around on egg shells worrying that my words are going to offend someone. Our society stresses out way too much about being politically correct. I'm not saying that you can go around and say what you want. I'm just tired of everyone getting all up in arms about some guy who shot his mouth off.

Wayne 1
04-10-2007, 04:39 PM
how many soldiers were killed in iraq today?

this is the problem with our country....we're too busy focusing on what a rich white radio man says about a college basketball team....lets focus that people are dying for no reason on the other side of the world.




just my 0.02 cents. I know this is the BBall forum.


I agree Reemusk! :headbang2

The two week suspension and getting repeatly raked over the coals will make him think twice next time his mouth gets ahead of his brain. ;)

SuperSprintMan
04-10-2007, 05:55 PM
We're talking about a guy who's made a career of being a controversial crank. So he says something controversial and people are SUPRISED??? This is what he gets hired to do in the first place!! Its not like he's a choir boy who suddenly yelled out a racial slur in church. Is his show a children's show for private school children to listen to on their way to school....no. This is absurd. I'm not a Imus fan at all, but I cant believe this is being blown into such a big issue. When did "nappy headed ho" suddenly mean strickly black gals?? In my opinion, to assume the words "nappy headed ho's" refer to only black women is racist in itself. Its total stereotyping! Has Ice Cube ever used words like nappy headed ho's?? Sure he has. So maybe Mr. Sharpton should make a big issue out of that as well. Al...get on your radio program and tell people to boycott Ice Cube's family movies. He should be fired as an actor, because he used the same type of phrases right??? Of course I'm being sarcastic, because I happen to like Ice Cube. Imus should be fired...only if the station decides they want to change program style. They knew who they were getting when they hired him, and all he did was the same type of thing he's always done.

jaytv
04-10-2007, 09:07 PM
I hate Imus personally, but the apparent double standard here is troubling.

I understand that people can be rightly sensitive about racist remarks, but one needs to keep perspective and remember that speech one doesn't like to hear is part of the price of living in a "free" society. Also, no one is required to listen to his show. If we let the market decide that apparently racist "humourous" remarks are not commercially viable, there will be far fewer of these incidents. At the same time, if there is a market for such things, one needs to exercise his freedom to not participate in that market.

Censorship is a slippery slope, however, and if the social contract fails to prevent individuals from expressing a 'racist' view, then it is incumbent upon the one listening to ignore and not support that person. Trying to exercise prior restraint on all controversial speech, however is not the answer. Just ask anyone who lived through the Cold War on the other side of the iron curtain.

As Voltaire said, "I am disgusted by your views, but I will defend to the death your right to express them."

Tolerance should swing both ways...

JSMZ
04-10-2007, 09:55 PM
Let it be known that I think this Imus is a douche bag, but I still fail to see how it is a racist remark. If that were a group of white females would this still be a racist remark ? doubtfull. Its a very pathetic/ cheap card to play. Seems to be a cry for attention from whoever decided to make such a huge deal out of this.

MsRandall
04-11-2007, 07:56 AM
Who cares if he is fired he already got too much airplay for this anyway....Thats what he thinks they are then fine but he should look in mirror and phone book for a possible plastic surgeon because he looks like he is about 200 years old in the face before he comments on others appearance.

I wont touch the "play the race card" comment today. I am going to be good today. :irked:

tbakergobuck
04-12-2007, 04:57 PM
Well hope people are happy now that Imus is fired.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/12/imus.rutgers/index.html

I don't know that much about Imus but considering he's been talking on the radio for a long time I think it's a bit sad that he screws up once and he's fired.

Wayne 1
04-12-2007, 05:23 PM
WOW!

I thought they would leave his radio show on. He's been doing the radio show for 40 years.

Jason Fate
04-12-2007, 05:31 PM
well, he can join stern on satellite radio....it's sad he was fired for what hes known best for, making shocking remarks...i dont think what he said was right, but he shouldnt lose his job over it. The Rutgers girls will be on Oprah tomorrow. Remember the lacrosse players from Duke that got accused of rape? They had to pay $400,000 bonds each...thats $40 grand to a bail bondsman. They lost their right to play that season, due to this. Turns out, the girl lied, and there was no rape. When is Oprah going to have them on her show for their vindication? Never.

Adofo
04-12-2007, 05:42 PM
As an African-american male, I'll just say this: I think a two week suspension is good enough but if he happens to get fired I won't feel that it is an unjust punishment either.

Also I want to say to Al Sharpton, SIT THE F*@K DOWN AND SHUT THE F@#K UP! You are an oportunist and you do not represent US as a people!

Jason Fate
04-12-2007, 05:53 PM
As an African-american male, I'll just say this: I think a two week suspension is good enough but if he happens to get fired I won't feel that it is an unjust punishment either.

Also I want to say to Al Sharpton, SIT THE F*@K DOWN AND SHUT THE F@#K UP! You are an oportunist and you do not represent US as a people!


he got fired.

Wayne 1
04-12-2007, 05:57 PM
Imus can work with his brother. Is he still restoring old Chevy's? :thought: :bullhorn: :auto:

tbakergobuck
04-12-2007, 06:33 PM
You would think Imus could retire. How old is he?

Adofo
04-12-2007, 07:45 PM
he got fired.
Oh well....

Dan
04-12-2007, 07:54 PM
You would think Imus could retire. How old is he?


I'm sure he could retire, but he probably has the same mindset as Larry King who intends to be on the air until he can't work any longer.

He didn't attack a public figure, he attacked a group of women's basketball players and made sexist and racist remarks. They aren't professional players who would expect a higher level of criticism, they are a college basketball team. When you have gone so low on a TV / radio show to start going after a women's basketball team with the insults he used, you need a vacation and get back to reality!

I'm sure he will turn up, either on XM to be their Stern, or after working out his "issues" and getting a job at a NYC, LA or Washington DC station.

I caught his show a couple mornings on MSNBC and have to say that watching paint dry would be more entertaining :)

:wavey:

usfhett03
04-12-2007, 07:57 PM
Why is it ok for black rappers to make derogatory and specific remarks about black females, but I don't hear Sharpton and Jackson saying anything to them. I don't like Imus, but this crap is ridiculous.

Adofo
04-12-2007, 08:02 PM
Why is it ok for black rappers to make derogatory and specific remarks about black females, but I don't hear Sharpton and Jackson saying anything to them. I don't like Imus, but this crap is ridiculous.
Nobody said it's ok for "black rappers" to make derogatory remarks about our women. I, personally, despise that type of music. I'm a big fan of hip-hop but only when it's in its purest art form; not that processed junk that's manufactured in bulk- brain washing our kids.

reemusk
04-13-2007, 02:46 AM
Nobody said it's ok for "black rappers" to make derogatory remarks about our women. I, personally, despise that type of music. I'm a big fan of hip-hop but only when it's in its purest art form; not that processed junk that's manufactured in bulk- brain washing our kids.


the fact they're millionaires generally defines "public acceptance" well.

Matt
04-13-2007, 02:47 AM
Don Imus should not be making fun of peoples hair.




Have you seen his?

usfhett03
04-13-2007, 02:55 AM
Nobody said it's ok for "black rappers" to make derogatory remarks about our women. I, personally, despise that type of music. I'm a big fan of hip-hop but only when it's in its purest art form; not that processed junk that's manufactured in bulk- brain washing our kids.

Well until I see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton protesting them, I am going to assume it's ok, because we all know they area at the pulse of American public opinion.

BrettW
04-13-2007, 03:54 AM
just an old guy who didnt think i think the worst he should of gotten was the suspension and the apology but being fired thats overkill

Matt
04-13-2007, 05:11 AM
Okay. Now for my real opinion.

What is next? As a gay man in the world we live in, I have come to expect things will not always go the way I think they should.

I cope.

People say negative things about gay people all the time, and I let it slide (granted I have a thick skin). I don't call the ACLU every time someone pisses me off. I'd be on the phone all day, every day if I did.

Being from Australia, and living in the US, I have learned a few things. Freedom comes at a price. Freedom of speech does not really exist. Ideally it would.

The United States of America prides itself on being free. We're not free. Public opinion (whatever that is. Most people didn't know Don Imus before this), is not a good example of the public. A few people get up in arms about things, and suddenly there is a revolt.

Luckily, I was raised right. I don't see colour, race, religion, etc. I see people, spirits, souls, and minds. I can't be bothered by anything else.

That said, Freedom of speech? It no longer exists.

penelope jane.
04-14-2007, 02:42 AM
Should Jimmy the Greek have been fired from CBS Sports? (No.) Should Howard Cosell have been fired from Monday Night Football for saying, "Look at that monkey run"? (He wasn't but he sure caught hell for it.) And now, should Don Imus be fired for his own recent indiscretion? Well no, he shouldn't be fired for that, insensitive and demeaning as it was, but he SHOULD be fired for being such a frigging jerk. This bigot has been practicing his particular brand of hate speech under cover of a quick mind, an incisive interview style, and a handful of appealing philanthropies for how many decades now? I've never been able to understand the attraction. If you're after political insight or intellectual stimulation, you'll find so much better fare on NPR or C-Span. And even at it most high-mindedness, the Imus Show was strictly bush league. Writers just used him to sell their books, liberal politicians to reach a white male audience, networks to get the ads and big-bucks revenue. Imus was always a dirty open secret. A festering sore on American media. That he lasted as long as he did is a clue to the base underbelly of popular culture. Let him practice his free speech before the joggers in Central Park, not on our precious public airwaves. I say good riddance.

penelope jane.

echelon4
04-22-2007, 05:44 PM
It was his opinion, and he said it on his talk show. Sounds all fair to me. It wasn't racist, so I don't see why he should of lost his job. They could stop listening to his show. I think Fred Phelps is the worst piece of s*** known to man and should die in the most painful way. I posted this from work should I be fired for my opinion about someone?

Celsius
04-23-2007, 04:34 PM
we have some closet racists in here lol

The SPCS Guy
07-15-2007, 09:53 PM
I for one am too damn tired of everyone saying the man is racist. Look @ the country we live in. It's a PRO-WHITE society. It was founded on lies, and hate.
Just because someone doesn't say it, doesn't mean they are not. Just because someone denounces it, does not mean they are not themselves. We have real sheet headed individuals in the USA, who cannot say what they feel without their crowd around. So, what happens, they hold it in and pretend they are your friends. Fine with me, just don't approach me in a wrong way.
I live in NYC where it's REAL! You Country bumkins know what I am talking about.
We already know what Imus meant by the statement that he made, and it's not the 1st time he's said anything to that effect either.
I could care less about WHAT he said, it didn't stop my life or anything I OR my family was dong.

I for two, am tired of all these so-called Black leaders, trying to get this white man condemned and any other white person who dare to come out and say something, when they can't even get the damn Rappers who call their own daughters and mothers ho's and nappy headed ****es, and all kinds of mess, kicked off the radio.
Start a campaign against companies like Emmis, and Clear Channel.....SHUT IT DOWN!Let's start with in-house punishments first, then we deal with the rest of the world.

YOU CAN'T PROGRESS IF YOU ARE DOING IT BACKWARDS! that's what they want to see.
Maybe Al needs to take that damn perm out of his hair and sport those n***** coils he got. It's not naps, it's called coily hair, and it's the BEST hair in the world!
Maybe a little self education might yield some results to our poor left behind, brain-washed people.
The energy we have to make things work and succeed is so much that my Black people don't even know it. We'd rather stand on the corners sellign crack, smoking crack, dropping out of school, getting pregnant at 12, raising bums, not caring about our kids, not giving our kids the proper love and attention, because some poor uneducated mother was left all alone by the bummy man she chose to have a baby with, now she has 5 kids, who she can't control, only to leave them to be raised by the streets! The saga goes on and on!
WE don't even tap into the possibility. Our Ancestors who created and invented ish for this Country that other white people take credit for, are rolling!


We as a people are so backwards, and too brain-washed to think otherwise. People like Malcom X are rolling in their graves, because that was a REAL black man WHO GOT IT, and I wish I had been around to meet that man!
When X died, the whole progression process died with him!

There are so many informed young people around, iT's a shame they never have their voices heard. But the ones before them, just play brain-dead....no they really are!

JE

 
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