Whats better the Treo 700p or 700wx?

[porksoda]

Well i was thinking about getting one of these phones, because i have the LG fusic phone now but i want to get a better and cooler phone. well let me know wat u think cuz i want a cool phone that does alot of things. Let me know if i should keep my fusic or go with one of the treos or u tell me about another phone thats cool too. i just want a cooler phone then the fusic. well thanx alot later.

[kulnet]

Well, I too once owned the Fusic. However, when Sprint came out with the 700wx, I couldn't switch fast enough. Am I ever glad that I did. I love the 700wx. For me it was a no brainer. I carried a phone as well as a pda. I was able to converge my 2 devices into 1. I went with the 700wx because I was so comfortable with Windows Mobile OS. Here I am over one month later still loving my 700wx. I would highly recommend it to anyone.

[porksoda]

Well, I too once owned the Fusic. However, when Sprint came out with the 700wx, I couldn't switch fast enough. Am I ever glad that I did. I love the 700wx. For me it was a no brainer. I carried a phone as well as a pda. I was able to converge my 2 devices into 1. I went with the 700wx because I was so comfortable with Windows Mobile OS. Here I am over one month later still loving my 700wx. I would highly recommend it to anyone.

Ok well thats cool does the 700wx have as many options? as the fusic? or even more?

[reemusk]

Well, I too once owned the Fusic. However, when Sprint came out with the 700wx, I couldn't switch fast enough. Am I ever glad that I did. I love the 700wx. For me it was a no brainer. I carried a phone as well as a pda. I was able to converge my 2 devices into 1. I went with the 700wx because I was so comfortable with Windows Mobile OS. Here I am over one month later still loving my 700wx. I would highly recommend it to anyone.



do you have text messaging issues? also, does it have gps capability without an SDIO reciever?

[kulnet]

I haven't run into any text messaging problems as of late. Now, a few weeks ago I did when I tried to send text messages to my fiance who is with T-mobile. That was also because her network was having problems in our area with the towers and such. Since then, I haven't had any problems at all. In terms of GPS, I bought a bluetooth receiver from BuyGPSnow and haven't had one bit of trouble using it with iguidance 3.0 As far as options go, I believe that the 700wx has limitless possibilities. There are tons of apps out there (free as well as paid for) that run great. There are many devices that you can use as well.

[ppgt94]

You may also want to look into the up coming Treo 680. It's very close the 700p in features but is a lighter, a bit smaller, all while boosting a 320x320 resolution display rather than the lower res. 240x240 of the 700 series. It should be out with the next 2 weeks or so.

[Dragonman]

Wirelessly posted (Treo 650: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; PalmSource/hspr-H102; Blazer/4.0) 16;320x320)

The 680 is not going to be offered by Sprint AKAIK. Only Cingular.

[ppgt94]

Wirelessly posted (Treo 650: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; PalmSource/hspr-H102; Blazer/4.0) 16;320x320)

The 680 is not going to be offered by Sprint AKAIK. Only Cingular.

Damn it! I was looking forward to upgrading my 650.

[otacon]

I so hate the P vs WX debate....what do you prefer, WM or Palm?...if WiFi is the deal breaker...go with the WX....if you love multimedia and Sprint TV....the P is your choice. Each unit does certain things better than the other but they can both do pretty much the same thing. Probably going to get the PPC-6800 when it comes out so it's back to WM for me...lol

[ppgt94]

The deal breaker for me is between P vs. Wx is that the WM models have a lower res sceen than the Palm versions. On a 2.5" screen a nearly 45,000 pixel difference is signifcant.

[bjork_rules]

Screen resolution and battery life are both a lot lower on the 700wx than the 700p. True multitasking on the 700wx though.

[Leakman]

BECAUSE THEY ARE TELEPHONES!!! Thats what they are basically made for!!! Thats why we pay a fee to a TELEPHONE provider. I have a 6700, a Katana, a 650, a 700 wx and an 8300 in the family and they are all telephones and we use them to TALK to each other. They are not status symbols ( as some may think) but a great piece of technology that lets friends and family (catchy title) plus business associates be more productive. BUT there are still those that weave back and forth between two lanes of traffic so they can talk about nothing to some other inconsiderate ******

Pardon the yelling. Thanks for letting me blow off some steam. But I feel much better now!!! :lol:

[Aurakles]

BECAUSE THEY ARE TELEPHONES!!!
In one sense, yes, but if anyone just wanted a phone--to just be a phone--then they wouldn't buy a PDA-phone. People buy "smartphones" specifically because they want more functionality.

[otacon]

If I wanted just a phone I would've stuck with my A900. I'll never go back to just a phone. My friend has the A900, iPod and a PDA. Can I do everything he can on those 3 devices on my 700P? of couse not...but I can do most. :)

[Trevante]

I so hate the P vs WX debate....what do you prefer, WM or Palm?...if WiFi is the deal breaker...go with the WX....if you love multimedia and Sprint TV....the P is your choice. Each unit does certain things better than the other but they can both do pretty much the same thing. Probably going to get the PPC-6800 when it comes out so it's back to WM for me...lol

I'm quite sure that WM does multimedia better than PalmOS, especially since it can multitask. AFAIK, if you're streaming something on the 700p, you can't switch to another app and do something else. But before we even talk about that, WM has Slingbox, PalmOS doesn't. The only multimedia aspect the p has over the wx is SprintTV, but one can just get MobiTV for the wx.

Screen resolution and battery life are both a lot lower on the 700wx than the 700p. True multitasking on the 700wx though.

I belive the Palm website lists the 700wx as having 5 hours of talk time and the 700p as having 4.5 hours, therefore the WX has greater battery life.

[ppgt94]

BECAUSE THEY ARE TELEPHONES!!! Thats what they are basically made for!!! Thats why we pay a fee to a TELEPHONE provider. I have a 6700, a Katana, a 650, a 700 wx and an 8300 in the family and they are all telephones and we use them to TALK to each other. They are not status symbols ( as some may think) but a great piece of technology that lets friends and family (catchy title) plus business associates be more productive. BUT there are still those that weave back and forth between two lanes of traffic so they can talk about nothing to some other inconsiderate ******

Pardon the yelling. Thanks for letting me blow off some steam. But I feel much better now!!! :lol:


:confused: :icon_smil :confused: :hmmm:

[bjork_rules]

Trevante, don't be so gullible. ROTFLMAO

[CallDon]

I'm quite sure that WM does multimedia better than PalmOS, especially since it can multitask. AFAIK, if you're streaming something on the 700p, you can't switch to another app and do something else. But before we even talk about that, WM has Slingbox, PalmOS doesn't. The only multimedia aspect the p has over the wx is SprintTV, but one can just get MobiTV for the wx.

Are you saying that the wx cannot receive Sorint tv?

I bought the 700p but may sell it and go for the wx because the p can not stream aacplus files.

[ericpd]

No,... the wx does not do Sprint TV. Saying you can do Mobi as a wash isn't a wash because Sprint TV lite comes with with power vision,... which is free if you're on SERO! I have a p and my wife has a wx. We swapped about a week after we got'em. To be honest, I've been thinking of swapping back to the wx. I wonder if she'll let me.

[Malatesta]

Trevante, don't be so gullible. ROTFLMAO
In fairness to Trevante, CNET in their reviews for the 700wx and 700p got this:

700wx Actual talk time = 5.8 hours (rated 5.0)

700P Actual talk time = 5.0 hours (rated 4.5)

Now, you can argue that "your experience is different" but the fact is, I'm willing to go with CNET's rep over yours ;)

[Trevante]

Trevante, don't be so gullible. ROTFLMAO

Just wondering, have you actually had a 700wx and a 700p to compare battery life on? Do you even have a basis for your original statement, or did you just see WM and figured that the wx naturally had a lower battery life?

[bjork_rules]

In fairness to Trevante, CNET in their reviews for the 700wx and 700p got this:

700wx Actual talk time = 5.8 hours (rated 5.0)

700P Actual talk time = 5.0 hours (rated 4.5)

Now, you can argue that "your experience is different" but the fact is, I'm willing to go with CNET's rep over yours ;)
CNET's rep? You're even more gullible than trevante. You should learn something about CNET and their reviews. LOL

I have owned both the 700p and 700wx and the 700p had better battery life. I liked some things about the 700wx better, but battery life wasn't one of them. Each is worlds better than the piece-of-garbage 6700 though.

[ericpd]

I also currently own and use both (the uses the wx) and we both get a full day's use with ease. She does audible, e-mail and hasn't picked up her ipod in almost 2 weeks. It's still up there on her night-stand. Me? I do a ton of e-mail, more web surfing than her, and spend a reasonable amount of time in pTunes. I'd say we drink about the same amount of EV-DO juice and our bat times are about the same. I'd say there's very little to no difference between the two when it comes to battery life!

I still say that the p is a littler easier to navigate, a little cleaner and more intuitive; however, still it seems a bit dated when compared to WM5. I do like that fact that the wx plays WAV and WMA files which to me sounds a little better than standard mp3 files.

I checked out that Slingbox someone spoke of earlier and that thing is nice. $179 ain't bad for a mobile door to my Dishnetwork subscriptions. A door that can be used by both a laptop AND the Treo wx.

That's it,... I'm getting my wx back. Hope my wife will let me! LOL!

[Malatesta]

CNET's rep? You're even more gullible than trevante. You should learn something about CNET and their reviews.
Okay, so tell me what is wrong with CNET's reviews since you know so much. Then tell me why I should trust "the bjork_rules official battery pronouncement" instead. You don't run tests, you don't publish and you have no credibility or respect from anyone here or elsewhere.

I think the reason you had worse battery life on the 700wx was b/c you liked it more and therefore used it much more often than the 700P, hence why your battery drained faster. :rolleyes:

Also, in case I need to remind you, this thread has nothing to do with the 6700. I could say the 700wx is better than my Sanyo 8100 and it would be just as irrelevant as your comment.

[bjork_rules]

Try reading next time, drongo. The battery life of the 700wx is less than the 700p which is less than the 650. I've owned all three and tested all three in the same environment. I'm sure that the 700wx would get better battery life if ActiveSync was disabled but that kind of defeats the purpose of having to put up with the whole WM5/junkware.

[Matt]

Simmer sown folks. Take sink to personal attacks or points will be issued.

[ralphstallworth]

well me being a gamer, I like my 700p more than the wx. for me it was about screen resolution. had the wx had 320x240 I would have gladly went with the 700wx. hell talking about the wx, it can't run a lot of the apps for the os it has!! and I actually prefer the windows mobile over the palm os. wifi and all that other crap doesn't matter to me. defeats the purpose of having a cellie. why get a mobile device then tie yourself into a location to have a faster internet connection?? I'd rather be in the middle of a football field with dsl speed than in a coffee shop at t1 speed.

anyway my 700p is a game station. I have over a 1000 games on it with my emulators. windows mobile has many emulators also but you can't run them on wx because of the resolution

[Malatesta]

hell talking about the wx, it can't run a lot of the apps for the os it has!!
Really, such as??

There isn't any WM5 software it cannot run. The only limitations are some games and lets face it, these are business devices. Gaming is probably 4th or 5th on the list of important functions for these devices. Personally, I think gaming on a cell phone is a waste of battery and not nearly as natural for fun as a dedicated system like PSP or DS. JMO.

Then again, with Microsoft releasing XBox LiveAnywhere (http://www.mobiletopsoft.com/board/1537/live-anywhere-microsofts-new-gaming-platform.html), I think WM5 will be stealing the advantage for advanced gaming integration and mobile devices.

wifi and all that other crap doesn't matter to me. defeats the purpose of having a cellie. why get a mobile device then tie yourself into a location to have a faster internet connection?? I'd rather be in the middle of a football field with dsl speed than in a coffee shop at t1 speed.
News flash: Not everyone lives in an EvDo area! Some people can only get 1x speeds, which last I checked...blow.

Wifi is nice when you are at home or traveling and staying in a hotel since those speeds kill anything EvDO can offer. I've been up in Vermont where no EvDO service (hell, they barely have 1x) and it was nice having Wifi in my hotel room as an alternative option.

It comes down to options. People like having those instead of being dictated to by the OS. You can love Wifi or hate it but with PalmOS it doesn't matter since your OS cannot do it even if you wanted to.

That's pretty lame and pathetic for an OS in late 2006.

Shoot the new HTC Dash can get 11 hours talk time and a day and half of wifi use and it's cheaper, smaller and lighter than any Treo.

[ralphstallworth]

well its all about what you like and what you want to use your treo for. me I want games and games are first on my list and games are done better on 700p than 700wx. there is a big time gaming community with smartphones, go over to modaco.com and see if gaming is 4th or 5th on their lists. in fact I will go on a limb and say there are more gaming apps that business app. these are not business devices to me they are game devices. its all about how you use them. I can afford a device just like you can but I will game on mine and you do your work. hell in fact, I think its a lot more difficult trying to put together a spreadsheet on a treo then playing a game of streetfighter. but then again its about convergence, you have a phone music player and business machine and I have a gaming machine. wifi, well like I say it doesn't serve a purpose to me. my last phone was a 6700 and I only used it once just to see if it worked. battery life, cmon man, I can bet that if I played zelda for the same amount of time you did your wifi thang, your battery would die first.

its about preference man, I actually prefer windows mobile os over palmos. palmos sucks but the 700p does games better. I will be checking out the motorola q when its released then I will pick that up or the samsung 830i. which ever plays games the best!!

you do your business stuff and I will game on. it doesn't matter, we both grown ups and can afford these devices for our own pleasure. I need a nice screen because a watch a lot of porn on my phone also!!! yeah business phone whatever, I know I'm not the only one!!

[Malatesta]

True that and I do agree that the Treo 700P is a better gaming device. So yeah, whatever works for you is the best option.

[bjork_rules]

Big news about the 700p being updated (or not) on www.treocentral.com If anyone's truly on the fence, this could be enough to tilt them towards the 700wx.

I'm sticking with the 700p since it's better for what I need (lots of SMS and MMS, DVD watching, playing MP3s over A2DP, better battery life and the programs that I need.)

[pegleg28]

I am a n00b so I really don't know all of the capabilities of the Treo's. But from my blade, I truly enjoy the beautiful screen, text message quite frequently, go to websites, play games for about 20 minutes daily and love the alarm features.

In addition to the above uses, I would like something that has a good mp3/m4a player and an easy to use scheduler.

Now, is the P or WX better for me? Thanks guys!!!

[bjork_rules]

Either one should be fine. The 700p can do SDHC memory cards that go up to 32GB while the 700wx doesn't support them. The 700p can also do A2DP and AVRCP (music and remote control for the music over bluetooth) which the 700wx can't do either.

You can do scheduling on either one. I prefer the 700p's calendar program since it's much easier to view all of your dates (also due to the 700p's much higher resolution LCD).

[sjflybaby]

I too am trying to decide between the Palm Treo 700 p and wx.

The 700 p is more compatible with the bluetooth that came with my car, even though it isn't perfect (can up load some numbers, can receive some incoming calls and make calls) but the wx doesn't seem to let me receive any incoming calls on the cars voice system and I can make calls when I'm in park and it will stay connected when I drive away, but as soon as I hang up I can't be sure it will let me call out again.

I think the screen is sharper looking on the p, and it seems that reading emails is better on the p, but I do like the looks of the wx.

Aside from the operating systems, is there any advantages/disadvantages to one over the other that I do not realize?

Please help, I'm baffled.

[bjork_rules]

700p = SDHC, A2DP + AVRCP, 320x320 LCD, threaded SMS/MMS, better BT, better battery life, more stable

700wx = easy customization of today screen, slingbox/skype compatible

[NextDream]

Bjork appears to be a bit of a palm fan in denial, with no concrete evidence behind those claims.

The following are concrete details about the shortcomings of the 700p:
1)The music capabilities on the 700p are lacking, meaning the playback stutters constantly.

Palms reply - "...the stuttering won’t be 100% eliminated on this
particular device" - Steve Sinclair, SR. Product manager at Palm



2)Bluetooth capability.

Palms reply - Dissatisfaction with Bluetooth performance is clearly a top customer issue and our technical team has been working to overcome Bluetooth hardware limitations to deliver improved performance on the 700p. Tops among these is improving the stability of the Bluetooth connection between the phone and the headset/carkit. We hope to have a patch specifically available for Bluetooth
early in the new year assuming it passes through all its certifications and is approved by thecarriers. - Steve Sinclair, SR. Product manager at Palm

3)Extreme lag time when changing programs(which makes multi-tasking laughable...or perhaps you will enjoy all the time you spend staring at the white screen with it's 320x320 resolution)

Palms reply - The last issue mentioned in the letter is a lag seen when switching between apps which is apparent to upgrading customers who are used to faster response times on other Treos or Palm handhelds. This lag is noticeable for some because it is taking longer than desired for the databases of the previous application to close and the databases of the next application to open. Aside from working with 3rd-party developers to minimize the lag while switching to/from their apps, there isn’t much we can do to alleviate this as it is partly a result of the shared hardware design between the Treo 700p and Treo 700w/wx.

There is further info about the shortcomings of the 700p and more importantly palms denial of such issues. You may want to take a look at this thread. http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=131545

Entire Sinclair letter - http://treocast.treocentral.com/PalmResponseLetter.pdf

None of the above issues exist with the 700wx. I had a :bang: 700p and i'm glad I returned it in time to get the :headbang2 700wx instead. Palm fans will bash the 700wx in favor of the 700p but sometimes reality just trumps fantasy.

[Malatesta]

...NextDream, while not necessarily disagreeing with your main thrust of your post (though I do maintain that people stick with what they like and enjoy and you may have inadvertently started the 9,000th OS war, lol), I do have to say the one BIG issue on the 700wx which is inherent with all Palm devices is poor Bluetooth.

If the 700wx just had better BT (it's no better nor worse than the 700p) then it really would be a near perfect smart device but at the end of the day, both devices fail miserably in this regard.

[Snake2582]

I don't want to get off topic, but I do want to say one thing that could help this entire thread.

At the end of the day, we live in a multi-platform world. You should use what you feel is best for you.

[Gadget]

At the end of the day, we live in a multi-platform world. You should use what you feel is best for you.

Very well said. I think it's all about personal preference between these two devices. I have a Palm 700P, my husband just returned a Wx yesterday, which was an upgrade from a 650 and is planning to order a 700P, basically due to personal preference.

I am sure he would have gotten used to the Wx. I am also reasonably sure that if he had started on the Windows mobile platform, he would have had a hard time getting used to the Palm...

[Malatesta]

I don't want to get off topic, but I do want to say one thing that could help this entire thread.

At the end of the day, we live in a multi-platform world. You should use what you feel is best for you.
That's our public service message of the day... :lol:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/jrdeanel/nbc_the_more_you_know.jpg

Actually, although very true as sjflybaby post reflects, there really are some differences that need to be pointed out between the two so hence why this thread exists--the tough part is trying to stay on topic without slamming the other OS and insulting posters...always a chore around here ;)

[NextDream]

I don't want to get off topic, but I do want to say one thing that could help this entire thread.

At the end of the day, we live in a multi-platform world. You should use what you feel is best for you.


^^ Non Fiction.

[bjork_rules]

...NextDream, while not necessarily disagreeing with your main thrust of your post (though I do maintain that people stick with what they like and enjoy and you may have inadvertently started the 9,000th OS war, lol), I do have to say the one BIG issue on the 700wx which is inherent with all Palm devices is poor Bluetooth.

If the 700wx just had better BT (it's no better nor worse than the 700p) then it really would be a near perfect smart device but at the end of the day, both devices fail miserably in this regard.
No question. The BT is even worse on the 700wx than the 700p, especially if you use a car kit.

It's sad when fanboys like NextDream ignore the facts and try to steer people with misinformation.

[NextDream]

It pairs just fine with my bmw and my acura. The fact that you as an INDIVIDUAL had problems doesn't mean everyone shares them. As I said previously there is a difference between one persons problem as you had with the wx and genuine palm certified issues that exist with the p.

In the end if the p makes you happy, more power to you. we all have preferences. I won't try to convince you why a D cup is better than an A cup if A's are what you like I say enjoy them.

[Ronkh]

play nice people

[NextDream]

It pairs just fine with my bmw and my acura. The fact that you as an INDIVIDUAL had problems doesn't mean everyone shares them. As I said previously there is a difference between one persons problem as you had with the wx and genuine palm certified issues that exist with the p.

In the end if the p makes you happy, more power to you. we all have preferences. I won't try to convince you why a D cup is better than an A cup if A's are what you like I say enjoy them.

.....and I mean that in the nicest way possible. :)

[sjflybaby]

700p = SDHC, A2DP + AVRCP, 320x320 LCD, threaded SMS/MMS, better BT, better battery life, more stable

700wx = easy customization of today screen, slingbox/skype compatible
Sorry, I must be showing my age, but I do not understand all the abbreviations here. Can you spell them out and possibly tell me what they mean.

Thanks,

[bjork_rules]

SDHC memory cards that go up to 32GB in size!!! Only PalmOS pdaphones support them now.

A2DP and AVRCP are music/movies over bluetooth with remote control ability directly from your bluetooth headset. PalmOS has a program that can do it.

Better bluetooth and better battery life are easy to understand. PalmOS doesn't have to be reset periodically like WM5 and runs more smoothly with less slowing and crashing.

Threaded text messaging and picture/video messaging is only available with PalmOS.

The 700p has approx. twice as many pixels on the LCD and has a brighter screen than the 700wx.

The 700wx has a today screen (PalmOS can do the same thing with extra software) that is easily customizeable with different plug-ins. It is also compatible with Skype and Slingbox.

[NextDream]

SDHC memory cards that go up to 32GB in size!!! Only PalmOS pdaphones support them now.

A2DP and AVRCP are music/movies over bluetooth with remote control ability directly from your bluetooth headset. PalmOS has a program that can do it.

Better bluetooth and better battery life are easy to understand. PalmOS doesn't have to be reset periodically like WM5 and runs more smoothly with less slowing and crashing.

Threaded text messaging and picture/video messaging is only available with PalmOS.

The 700p has approx. twice as many pixels on the LCD and has a brighter screen than the 700wx.

The 700wx has a today screen (PalmOS can do the same thing with extra software) that is easily customizeable with different plug-ins. It is also compatible with Skype and Slingbox.


One man's crusade against the 700wx continues..... The wx has no outstanding bluetooth issues, one is not better than the other in that regard.

Battery life as rated by palm, not a fan b....oh i'm playing nice so I refer to bjork as a person on a tireless crusade to mislead others about the 700wx:

700P - Up to 4.5 hours continuous digital talk time.

700WX - Up to 5 hours continuous digital talk time.

Windows can do the same thing with extra software! everything you mentioned above requires "extra software" and last I checked the Palm OS isn't the only platform that has existing "extra software".

That post is a bit misleading in making it seem as though the 700p comes with all of these items standard, which it does not!! Those capabilities outside of the "threaded text messaging" all exist because of 3rd party hacks and guess what.....the same hacks can be had for the 700wx, by simply going to ppcgeeks.com either currently or in the very near future.


Why? Because these capabilities are all in place on the palm 750(which is also a windows device.)

We get the fact that you are happy with your P and love bjork but spreading lies about the wx is not necessary.

[bjork_rules]

Oops. Just found out that PalmOS can do Slingbox now.

Don't listen to people who don't know what they're talking about like NextDream. The 700wx does not have AVRCP, it does not have SDHC, it does not have threaded MMS, it does not have a 320x320 LCD. FACT.

[NextDream]

It doesnt have them yet.

It also doesn't have extreme lag, stuttering music playback(that will never be resolved 100%) or bluetooth issues.

Don't believe me, or bjork for that matter.

Do the research and see for yourself!


You will notice that Bjork can never post anything to back up his alleged facts about how great the P is. There are however lots of threads about its short comings are 700p owners rallying to get a ROM update from Palm because the 700p is sooo great. Do threads like the following exist if the 700p were so perfect

http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/1016-1.htm

http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=127063

A brief synopsys to save you the trouble of clicking.

Like many of you, I am completely fed up with Palm's support for the 700p. Now is the time we band together to do something about it. The Xmas shopping season is nearly here and affords us great leverage if we work together.

My biggest grievance with Palm is their lack of communication with us, the loyalists who have kept them in business with our support by purchasing new model after new model for years. The form emails we have been getting back from their support are insulting to the intelligence. Some state that they are not aware of any stated problems, while others contradict those stating that Palm is aware of the problems but have no information as to when they will be fixed.

This type of communication is unreasonable and out of line with the rest of the industry. Microsoft's support site documents almost any problem they are aware of and lists patch availability, workarounds or simply states we are aware and working on the problem. They also give advanced notice of when Service Packs come out and make available advanced beta versions for those who need them sooner or want to test for them.

THE CONCEPT:
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So the question to ask is why doesn't Palm treat us with at least the same level of respect that Micro$oft treats it's consumers?
The reason is simple: Palm fears that if they admit they have outstanding issues for a product, that it will negatively impact their sales.

The Key:If we can make Palm believe that concealing issues is more damaging to their sales than communication, they will be forced to reverse their policy.


THE CONCEPT: An Informational Campaign
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Many people will state that if you don't like your Treo, use your dollar votes and don't buy one. Problem is, we already used those votes when we purchased our Treos. So I say let's utilize other people's dollar votes.
We will commence an informational campaign directed at potential buyers about the problems associated with the 700p and Palm's unwillingness to address the problems for six months. We will do this by posting the information as reviews on retailer or industry websites. Please note, this is not a smear campaign. We will be posting the form letters Palm has sent us back to advise potential buyers that these are the shortcomings and if they are major issues for you, be advised of Palm's response to those issues.

THE TIMING IS RIGHT:
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Palm will be hoping for strong sales during the Xmas shopping season for consumers. Now through January also marks the time many businesses will be deciding which tech products they will buy with their 2007 budget. So I think this concept will give us the most leverage to get the update.


THE PROPOSAL
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1) First, I ask a yes vote in the attached poll from those who will support this endeavour. If there are enough we will go forward. If there is no support, then we should stop complaining.
2) Assuming I get enough support, we will decide which retail sites we will target. Off the top of my head (and I don't know if they all have review sites or carry the Treo) are:
- Buy.com
- Amazon
- Tiger Direct
- NewEgg
- Best Buy
- Circuit City
- Cnet.com
- PC magazine (Does this have a review section)
- Please suggest more before we finalize them.
3) Based on the number of people who support this, we will assign sites to individuals to update. We will rotate these sites among individuals so that if for example, there are five reviews by us on a site, they will be from five different individuals as opposed to five reviews by the same person. How often we put reviews up will be determined by the number of supporters.
4) Once organized, I will attempt to send a notice to Ed Colligan via registered U.S. mail explaining our frustration and the informational campaign we are planning to commence. I will explain to him that what we want more than even the firmware patch itself, is communication from Palm regarding the problems. That communication should be through avenues such as Treocentral, Treonauts, etc and include the following:
A) Confirm that Palm is aware of these problems.
B) Annouce their action plan (if any) to resolve these problems. Any such plan should include a timetable, if even only a rough estimate. In other words, we won't hold them to a specific date but we want to know whether were talking weeks, 1 month, 2 months, 4 months, etc. Just so we know something is going to get done and they have not abandoned us.
5) The letter will include a specific date that, if no communication has been as of yet been made to the community, we will commence with the campaign. I want to give him some time but right now I am thinking the week preceding Black Friday.
6) I will express that we would rather avoid taking this action but that it is the right of every consumer to voice the facts via whatever manner is most effective. The form letters we publish will show that for over half a year the communication device Palm has in place has been inadequate and unresponsive.

FOCUS:
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We have a better shot at getting a firmware update if we submit a short list to Palm of what needs to be fixed. So I want to limit the list to the most vital problems and that we know are specific to the 700p. In other words leaving out, WIFI card support and simply, "crashes too much" (more of just a POS problem).

I am open to suggestions but want to start the list off with these two which if fixed, we will probably indirectly fix some other issues not list.

1) Lag - What seems to be a memory access problem causes jumping from one application into another such as the Phone to lag far behind the 600 and 650 despite twice the memory and a superior processor.
2) Bluetooth Headphone Support - Many of us have had various Bluetooth problems which the manufacturer has told us have been identified as a 700p problem and referred to Palm. Many of these headphones had no issue on the 650.

SUPPORT FROM OTHER TREO SITES:
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I would like to recruit the users on other Treo websites by starting a (single) thread on each with a link to this thread. If you want to help, please post a reply in this thread and list which website you will post it on.

CONTACTING ED
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- My only idea for reaching Ed Colligan is to send the letter attention of his name to Palm's corporate headquarter with Return receipt. If someone knows a more effective way to reach Colligan, or if someone else at Palm should be contacted, please let me know. Someone could also point Palm's forum thread to this site.
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Now ask yourself, would someone who is insanely happy with his 700P organize such a movement? A thread with 199 replies and over 14,000 views, letters to Palm calls of boycotts yet one FAN( :bang: Bjork) claims it has no issues.

You decide

[Malatesta]

Oops. Just found out that PalmOS can do Slingbox now.

Don't listen to people who don't know what they're talking about like NextDream. The 700wx does not have AVRCP, it does not have SDHC, it does not have threaded MMS, it does not have a 320x320 LCD. FACT.

PalmOS doesn't have to be reset periodically like WM5 and runs more smoothly with less slowing and crashing.
I'll also take a controlled weekly reset on WM5 than a random reset that occurs with PalmOS any day. Fact is, you cannot objectively state that one OS crashes more than the other as it is almost all user relative. My experience has been WM5 is more stable, others have different experiences.

SDHC is a driver issue at this point since the 700wx and 700p share the same hardware and to be honest, SDHC is over-rated and a niche market right now. 4gb SD cards I guarantee are fine for the majority of users (I use 512mb myself). This is also done with a hack on the 700p, not out of the box.

Likewise, AVRCP and A2DP (done w/ 3rd party software) are niche market selling points now (which are only starting to break into mainstream phones). Right now you'll spend most of your time explaining what those things are than having people actually use them. But sure, if you need it that bad then it could be important, just like multi-tasking on the 700wx which the 700p can't do.

Threaded MMS. That's rich. First off, everyone who knows technology knows how awful Sprints PictureMail is (and lets stop calling it MMS, it's not. It's sprint's lame version of it that is not adopted by anyone else as a standard.). Second, who cares about "threaded MMS". Threaded SMS is what counts and that works on both devices.

320x320 LCD is over-rated. Considering that most PalmOS apps are pixel-doubled and have graphics from the 90's it really doesn't look better for every day programs (as I was sorely reminded playing with my 650 the other day) Viewing pictures or movies often? It's slightly better but most users do not really care. Just look at standard cell phone resolutions that people are happy with.

I mean at this point this is really arguing the minutia of technology. Sure, if you need all that frippery than get a 700p but honestly, most users have no idea what you are talking about and they are hardly selling points.

And if you still want to argue these little advances, WM5 can still do Skype and Google Talk (VOIP) easily. But if you don't need that...then it's not a big deal. Both phones have more in common than differences.

And until the 700p gets a ROM update it may not be as trouble free as people may wish.

[bjork_rules]

Try watching DVDs on a 320x320 screen and then again on the washed out, 240x240 screen on the 700wx. You won't think that the 700p's screen is overrated any longer.

The 700p is obviously much more of a multimedia, text messaging, massive amount of music and movie storage and playback, light PDA device. The 700wx is more of a business PDA without any extras.

[Malatesta]

Try watching DVDs on a 320x320 screen and then again on the washed out, 240x240 screen on the 700wx. You won't think that the 700p's screen is overrated any longer.

True and if you want to watch DVDs on a phone then of course you'd go for the higher-res.

Personally, there could be VGA screens on any Treo and I'd still never watch a whole DVD on them (DVD on a square screen? gah) . If I want that I'll just use a PSP which blows away any Treo for video playback and saves my phone's batteries.

Same with music: iPod for me. I'm not a big fan of trying to squeeze everything into a single device only b/c the battery power, screen resolution/size and convenience just are not there. I also think playing video games on phones is a waste. But some people enjoy that stuff and need to take into consideration the various options.

[NextDream]

If you are under 24 and want to impress women with your 320x320 screen by all means get the 700p. If you are over 24, actually need to have a multi-tasking phone and prefer to watch movies on your 1920x1080 flat screen at home, get the 700wx.

That said, I think after Apple's announcement today we are all in agreement that the new iphone will kill both the 700p and the 700wx! It's a sad day over at Palm headquarters.

I'm imagining an iphone on a SERO plan :fingers: ....I hope that Cingular exclusive with iphone isn't too long.

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[bjork_rules]

Try taking your flatscreen on a plane. Done.

[NextDream]

I don't think sprint will get the iphone after watching the keynote at apple.com/iphone. Looks like I might have to wave goodbye to SERO....and rabid 700p fans.

I'll take my iphone on a plane in june and the 700wx will be on the auction block.

[booey]

How is the 1.3MP camera on the the Treo's?
is it the same quality camera on both?

anyone have any pictures taken with the 700p? or wx?


EDIT: crap , nevermind, just saw it doesnt even have a flash.. forget it :(

thanks!

[NaturalLove]

I'm giving up my Treo 700wx before my 30 days is up. Why? Because I want the Iphone! I can't get that thing off my mind.

[NextDream]

I'm giving up my Treo 700wx before my 30 days is up. Why? Because I want the Iphone! I can't get that thing off my mind.


I'm guessing Sprint Retentions will be pretty busy in the coming months!

[NaturalLove]

I imagine so.

NL

[skoobz]

Well, I too once owned the Fusic. However, when Sprint came out with the 700wx, I couldn't switch fast enough. Am I ever glad that I did. I love the 700wx. For me it was a no brainer. I carried a phone as well as a pda. I was able to converge my 2 devices into 1. I went with the 700wx because I was so comfortable with Windows Mobile OS. Here I am over one month later still loving my 700wx. I would highly recommend it to anyone.


tru dat.

for those who never had a wm os, then go with the palm os. it's more noob friendly and more stable. the wm os crashes more times then i'd wish for, but like kulnet said, i'm used to it, plus, i had tons of programs on it, i didn't want to have to new palm programs if i got the 700p.

[rddt]

How is the 1.3MP camera on the the Treo's?
is it the same quality camera on both?

anyone have any pictures taken with the 700p? or wx?


EDIT: crap , nevermind, just saw it doesnt even have a flash.. forget it :(

thanks!


True, there's no flash on either, but by default on the wx you can adjust the brightness to compensate quite well for dark scenes (just press left/right). I don't think the p can do this.

[rddt]

I've played with both side-by-side for a few weeks now.
Screen Resolution: It's a shame that WM5 doesn't support the noticeably higher resolution, but the wx does take advantage of its screen space much better than the p (out of the box in any case). For example, open PIE on the wx in full screen mode and "smaller" setting for the zoom, and you'll see a whole lot more of your webpage than blazer can render. Out of the box, fonts (esp w/ ClearType) and presentation in general look much better on the wx than the clunky early-90's blocky graphics of the p.

Ultimately two unfixable things on the p annoyed me to such an extent that I felt compelled to stick with the wx: the flickering keyboard backlight and the constantly stuttering/skipping music playback. Warning - do not choose the p to listen to mp3's! You will regret the extremely poor audio performance (esp when attempting to play it in the background via imitation multitasking).
The wx had things which annoyed me at first (no PicMail or ThreadedSMS by default), but these are easily overcome with free software by visiting ppcgeeks.com. And two very cool things that I would really miss if I had to switch back to the p - the extremely customizable Today Screen and Voice Command! With Voice Command I constantly queue up and listen to custom mp3 playlists, check the time and battery level, adjust the ringer volume, and, oh yeah, call people, all while keeping the phone buried in my pocket! This is perfect for biking. :tu: :cycle: ...But not in New Jersey (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/01/25/talking-on-the-phone-riding-your-bicycle-in-nj-250-ticket/) :irked: (those paranoid cranksters!)

[aatm]

my P finally arrived...it's still brand new in box waiting to be opened...but after doing more reading and more reading...and still more reading...the WX seems more suitable for me. one question i do have though is, i have alot of tv shows in .3gp at 240x320 res. how will they look on the WX? I know they look great on the Q, and i'm sure they will look great on the P as well, and I know that the wx is 240x240, but I'm just wondering if they will look reasonably okay on a WX.

[bjork_rules]

They won't look too good on the WX, slightly better on the Q and much better on the p. Just remember that whatever you watch is already going to be compressed so it's not like you're giving up HD quality by watching it on a 240x240 screen. As amazing as the p's 320x320 screen looks compared to the WX and the Q, you're still watching compressed video on it. Just be sure to convert any TV shows or DVDs to AVC/AAC and use TCPMP to watch them. Nothing else even comes close.